1. #20941
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Indeed, hence why I have been saying that I don't think we are getting much more *for now*, but I do expect an update to be made across all AR at some point, just not soon.

    Sure I agree, but when Goblins and Worgen got their updates like 2 expansions later than everyone else, I don't really thinks the optics of "will this make us look lazy?" are all that relevant to them.

    Specially when they made sure to specify their focus for RN is core races. Wish it wouldn't be so, but rn AR are hardly a priority, and I'm pretty sure they will take any calls of being lazy on stride.
    Let's hope for good future additions.
    Maybe but personally IDK; I've always seen forsaken as closer to that look. It could work, but it goes to show you how undefined the VE aesthetic is beyond their colors.
    I think they are closer to Warhammer dark elves. However, I believe they could look very interesting if Blizzard took some inspiration from LoL "dark star skins".
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  2. #20942
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Most of these customization options are really easy to make. Maybe not leaves in the beard, but recolors take very little time. I'm not a graphics artist but could make several in a day that were passable. It would be even easier for a professional. Things like jewelry that have new 3D elements will take more time though.

    For that reason, I fully expect to receive more customization options before the expansion is released and during the expansion as well, for both core and AR.
    I think that's the thing; so far everything AR have gotten are recolors and reused assets, nothing really new made exclusively for an AR, so I really think that's the limit of what we can expect.

    How much more we will get for AR is hard to know for sure, but I'm confident it won't be anything beyond recolors of already existing stuff -And for VE maybe uncoupling tentacles from hairstyles as it has been done for KT mustaches and MG paint jobs- So beyond hair, skin and eye colors, I really doubt we will be seeing much more.

    Like at my most optimist I think they could give more options from the Core Races to the AR, but again, at my most optimist that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    Let's hope for good future additions.
    Let's indeed

    I think they are closer to Warhammer dark elves. However, I believe they could look very interesting if Blizzard took some inspiration from LoL "dark star skins".
    Eh, the resemblance to WH dark elves is aesthetic at best. Their characterization is very different, Void Elves take a more utilitarian, noble, and politically motivated approach to their dark magics, not unlike Demon Hunters. Sadly that's like all there is so far.

    Void Elves still remain like *just* potential and little actualization. They have been in game for over 2 years and they remain deeply undefined as a group beyond the magics they use.

    Aesthetically they are great and I do agree more could be done with them, but their problems are just so deeply rooted on their lore that we really need more characterization on them before focusing on the aesthetics -which I kinda think it's the issue already with them; they had a cool look in mind but did little to develop a rich background lore for them-

  3. #20943
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Yeh I agree, we will be seeing some minor stuff, so for VE's for example, maybe we get more human like colors, but things like tattoos, new hairstyles and other customization we definitely are looking more into next expansion at best.
    I don't think so. Apparently there will be more passes in the patch cycle.
    Also, things like tattoos, scars and other texture stuff will most likely come if blood elves also get them. The model is exactly the same, it would be a big waste of resources to not seize an opportunity to improve two races.
    Whatever...

  4. #20944
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Void Elves still remain like *just* potential and little actualization. They have been in game for over 2 years and they remain deeply undefined as a group beyond the magics they use.

    Aesthetically they are great and I do agree more could be done with them, but their problems are just so deeply rooted on their lore that we really need more characterization on them before focusing on the aesthetics -which I kinda think it's the issue already with them; they had a cool look in mind but did little to develop a rich background lore for them-
    I agree with this wholeheartedly. It's a terrible shame that Void Elves have been left in such a state for so long. It would have been fine if they had a chunk of Legion to actually have a foundation developed for them like Nightborne, High Mountain and even the Lightforged had, but that's not what happened. Void Elves were simply dropped into the game with no real development and their only preamble being their unlock scenario. BfA could have made up for that shortfall... should have made up for that shortfall, but again that's not what happened. We went through the whole of BfA with generic Void Elves making cameos here and there, and only Magister Umbric having any sort of spotlight, but even that only served to develop Umbric's character. It didn't really provide any development for Void Elves as a race. One would think that 8.3, a patch heavily steeped in Old God and Void themes, would have been a prime opportunity to develop Void Elves further. Sadly, again, that's not what happened. Void Elves were MIA.

    Now we're heading into a "death" themed expansion. One, heavily laden with lore for certain, but hardly fertile soil for Void Elf development. So that's likely going to be at least another two years of little to no development for them. Even if the following expansion has heavy void themes and finally provides some development, that's far too long a wait. Blizzard really should have either seeded Void Elves properly (at least as much as the Lightforged) with the Argus patch, or they should have simply given the Alliance High Elves instead. Like the Dark Iron, the Alliance High Elves wouldn't need the kind of extensive foundational development that the Void Elves do. While I'm not confident that we'll see any during Shadowlands, I keep hoping we'll see something in the way of actual development of the Void Elves as a people and not simply having us acting as Alleria or Umbric's escort again. That's not development of Void Elves as a race.
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  5. #20945
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    I think that's the thing; so far everything AR have gotten are recolors and reused assets, nothing really new made exclusively for an AR, so I really think that's the limit of what we can expect.

    How much more we will get for AR is hard to know for sure, but I'm confident it won't be anything beyond recolors of already existing stuff -And for VE maybe uncoupling tentacles from hairstyles as it has been done for KT mustaches and MG paint jobs- So beyond hair, skin and eye colors, I really doubt we will be seeing much more.

    Like at my most optimist I think they could give more options from the Core Races to the AR, but again, at my most optimist that is.
    Personally, I think we can expect things to be metered out to us throughout the expansion depending on how the story goes. So there may be some customization options that, if they were to give them to use now, would spoil something in the story.

    An example of this would be San'layn customization options. We see Kael'thas returning in the Venthyr covenant with red eyes, would it make sense to give us his options before we played out his story? Or after? If they don't want to spoil it, after is kind of the only real option.

    Similarly, we didn't receive all the ARs up front in BFA.

  6. #20946
    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    I don't think so. Apparently there will be more passes in the patch cycle.
    Also, things like tattoos, scars and other texture stuff will most likely come if blood elves also get them. The model is exactly the same, it would be a big waste of resources to not seize an opportunity to improve two races.
    Maybe? IDK, I just don't think so VE's are gonna get that much more customization ahead of other AR, and cat's still on the bag about what kind of markings BE's get, if any. And markings might be the kind of customization they decide it might help differentiate VE from BE so markings themselves wuld be the one thing explicitly different.

    So yeh, doubt we will see anything else big for VE's this expac, specially something that's developed exclusively for them, as well all other AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    I agree with this wholeheartedly. It's a terrible shame that Void Elves have been left in such a state for so long. It would have been fine if they had a chunk of Legion to actually have a foundation developed for them like Nightborne, High Mountain and even the Lightforged had, but that's not what happened. Void Elves were simply dropped into the game with no real development and their only preamble being their unlock scenario. BfA could have made up for that shortfall... should have made up for that shortfall, but again that's not what happened. We went through the whole of BfA with generic Void Elves making cameos here and there, and only Magister Umbric having any sort of spotlight, but even that only served to develop Umbric's character. It didn't really provide any development for Void Elves as a race. One would think that 8.3, a patch heavily steeped in Old God and Void themes, would have been a prime opportunity to develop Void Elves further. Sadly, again, that's not what happened. Void Elves were MIA.

    Now we're heading into a "death" themed expansion. One, heavily laden with lore for certain, but hardly fertile soil for Void Elf development. So that's likely going to be at least another two years of little to no development for them. Even if the following expansion has heavy void themes and finally provides some development, that's far too long a wait. Blizzard really should have either seeded Void Elves properly (at least as much as the Lightforged) with the Argus patch, or they should have simply given the Alliance High Elves instead. Like the Dark Iron, the Alliance High Elves wouldn't need the kind of extensive foundational development that the Void Elves do. While I'm not confident that we'll see any during Shadowlands, I keep hoping we'll see something in the way of actual development of the Void Elves as a people and not simply having us acting as Alleria or Umbric's escort again. That's not development of Void Elves as a race.
    Bingo; pretty much every other legion AR had a whole zone to develop them. VE's didn't get that, and haven't gotten anything even close to that by now. A shame, given this expansion relied so much on Old God and Void lore. They could at least have used some of Stormsong Valley to develop the VE's during the leveling adventure -instead of the whole quilboar subplot- with a small band of Void Elves serving as our alliance experts on the void while we uncover the mysteries of the Tidesages.

    So yeh, doubt SL will have the time for them, so we are like minumum of 5 years now until we get actual VE lore? sigh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Personally, I think we can expect things to be metered out to us throughout the expansion depending on how the story goes. So there may be some customization options that, if they were to give them to use now, would spoil something in the story.

    An example of this would be San'layn customization options. We see Kael'thas returning in the Venthyr covenant with red eyes, would it make sense to give us his options before we played out his story? Or after? If they don't want to spoil it, after is kind of the only real option.

    Similarly, we didn't receive all the ARs up front in BFA.
    Yeah, but I just don't think we will be seeing much development exclusive to AR on SL, linked to the narratives of it or otherwise. Expanded customization is far more about boosting a limited customization system rather than a resulting of a need to represent the current narrative setting.

    Like it would be super cool we got San'layn customization as part of the narrative, but honestly it doesn't ring true to why customization is getting expanded on the first place, which has little to do with the contemporary narrative of SL tbh.

  7. #20947
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Maybe? IDK, I just don't think so VE's are gonna get that much more customization ahead of other AR, and cat's still on the bag about what kind of markings BE's get, if any. And markings might be the kind of customization they decide it might help differentiate VE from BE so markings themselves wuld be the one thing explicitly different.

    So yeh, doubt we will see anything else big for VE's this expac, specially something that's developed exclusively for them, as well all other AR.
    From the signs of it, Blizzard is currently working on improving the first four races: humans, dwarves, undead and blood elves.

    Humans already got eyebrow customization and split facial hair options (sideburns, beard, moustache) for the second pass.

    Dwarves got a different eyebrow now, which is sign that they'll get eyebrow customization as well. I also think it's likely for their facial hair to be split into beard and moustache.

    There's datamined changed to some undead textures. I'm not sure what they may get, but it seems they will get it soon.

    For blood elves, I'm guessing eyebrow customization as well. Possibly more beards. And I'm hoping for scars and markings.

    I don't think void elves will "get more attention" than other ARs. Mag'har, for instance, inherited a lot of the new orc options. I think void elves will inherit both ear and eyebrow customization. If blood elves get scars/markings, I can see void elves getting it too. They can be differentiated by color, and, even if the patterns are different, it makes sense for the artists to work on the textures at the same time.
    Whatever...

  8. #20948
    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    From the signs of it, Blizzard is currently working on improving the first four races: humans, dwarves, undead and blood elves.

    Humans already got eyebrow customization and split facial hair options (sideburns, beard, moustache) for the second pass.

    Dwarves got a different eyebrow now, which is sign that they'll get eyebrow customization as well. I also think it's likely for their facial hair to be split into beard and moustache.

    There's datamined changed to some undead textures. I'm not sure what they may get, but it seems they will get it soon.

    For blood elves, I'm guessing eyebrow customization as well. Possibly more beards. And I'm hoping for scars and markings.

    I don't think void elves will "get more attention" than other ARs. Mag'har, for instance, inherited a lot of the new orc options. I think void elves will inherit both ear and eyebrow customization. If blood elves get scars/markings, I can see void elves getting it too. They can be differentiated by color, and, even if the patterns are different, it makes sense for the artists to work on the textures at the same time.
    Oh yeh I agree with that, as I said, VE's really haven't gotten anything that was developed exclusively for themselves, and that's what I think will remain mostly true for the rest of Shadowlands.

    But I do think they can still get other options inherited from BE's -as all other races can from their Core Races- what I was pointing out specifically, was that in terms of markings, Blizz could decide to give BE and VE different options for differentiation's sake -likely given that playable HE options have been like pulling teeth because they just seem to refuse the easiest solution- and if so, I do think it's likier VE specific customization doesn't get addressed during 9.x

    So my point is, that it's likely VE won't get the same markings than BE's, and as such, VE exclusive markings will come whenever the rest of AR get a deeper pass, which I don't think will be before 10.x

    But I do agree that VE could inherit some other of the BE options yet -specially ears- and maybe get more recolors of jewelry and even hair color. Which I think is also true for all AR.

  9. #20949
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Personally, I think we can expect things to be metered out to us throughout the expansion depending on how the story goes. So there may be some customization options that, if they were to give them to use now, would spoil something in the story.

    An example of this would be San'layn customization options. We see Kael'thas returning in the Venthyr covenant with red eyes, would it make sense to give us his options before we played out his story? Or after? If they don't want to spoil it, after is kind of the only real option.

    Similarly, we didn't receive all the ARs up front in BFA.

    kael has blue eyes

  10. #20950
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Eh, the resemblance to WH dark elves is aesthetic at best. Their characterization is very different, Void Elves take a more utilitarian, noble, and politically motivated approach to their dark magics, not unlike Demon Hunters. Sadly that's like all there is so far.

    Void Elves still remain like *just* potential and little actualization. They have been in game for over 2 years and they remain deeply undefined as a group beyond the magics they use.

    Aesthetically they are great and I do agree more could be done with them, but their problems are just so deeply rooted on their lore that we really need more characterization on them before focusing on the aesthetics -which I kinda think it's the issue already with them; they had a cool look in mind but did little to develop a rich background lore for them-
    I was only talking about aesthetics. I think their lore is too undefined to even have a wishlist for improvements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

  11. #20951
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Maybe? IDK, I just don't think so VE's are gonna get that much more customization ahead of other AR, and cat's still on the bag about what kind of markings BE's get, if any. And markings might be the kind of customization they decide it might help differentiate VE from BE so markings themselves wuld be the one thing explicitly different.

    So yeh, doubt we will see anything else big for VE's this expac, specially something that's developed exclusively for them, as well all other AR.

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    Bingo; pretty much every other legion AR had a whole zone to develop them. VE's didn't get that, and haven't gotten anything even close to that by now. A shame, given this expansion relied so much on Old God and Void lore. They could at least have used some of Stormsong Valley to develop the VE's during the leveling adventure -instead of the whole quilboar subplot- with a small band of Void Elves serving as our alliance experts on the void while we uncover the mysteries of the Tidesages.

    So yeh, doubt SL will have the time for them, so we are like minumum of 5 years now until we get actual VE lore? sigh!

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    Yeah, but I just don't think we will be seeing much development exclusive to AR on SL, linked to the narratives of it or otherwise. Expanded customization is far more about boosting a limited customization system rather than a resulting of a need to represent the current narrative setting.

    Like it would be super cool we got San'layn customization as part of the narrative, but honestly it doesn't ring true to why customization is getting expanded on the first place, which has little to do with the contemporary narrative of SL tbh.
    san'layn customization for void elves and blood elves if you join covenant venthyr? that sounds good

  12. #20952
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    I was only talking about aesthetics. I think their lore is too undefined to even have a wishlist for improvements.
    Yeh, but considering they are all aesthetic and no lore, they kinda really need lore and background to further expand their aesthetics, cause again, their main problem is that they are all look and no substance. And that's what needs to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    san'layn customization for void elves and blood elves if you join covenant venthyr? that sounds good
    Honestly I really hoped the expanded customization was related to covenant when SL was revealed, but right now I just don't think anything close to it will happen :/

  13. #20953
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    kael has blue eyes
    Venthyr Kael'thas has red.


  14. #20954
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Venthyr Kael'thas has red.

    that's the corrupt kael, we saved kael and he has blue eyes

  15. #20955
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    that's the corrupt kael, we saved kael and he has blue eyes
    Interesting find. I find it unlikely Kael will identify himself as high elf, since it was him who set up the path of sin'dorei.

    Blue eyes could also mean death related powers. Death knights also have blue eyes...

  16. #20956
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    that's the corrupt kael, we saved kael and he has blue eyes
    And this is the one I'm talking about? So what's your point exactly?

  17. #20957
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    And this is the one I'm talking about? So what's your point exactly?
    after we help kael free himself from corruption he has a new look with blue eyes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Interesting find. I find it unlikely Kael will identify himself as high elf, since it was him who set up the path of sin'dorei.

    Blue eyes could also mean death related powers. Death knights also have blue eyes...
    he can simply have blue eyes indicating that they are his natural eye color without the influence of any kind of magic

  18. #20958
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    he can simply have blue eyes indicating that they are his natural eye color without the influence of any kind of magic
    Yes, it is of course possible, but it's kind of hard to define what's natural eye color of an elf, since they always have their eyes affected by magic source they draw their power from. It's still beta, so it may not be even his final version, so let's wait.

    My guess is that this color have something to do with death magic which is soaked all over shadowlands. Ysera also got new eyes in Ardenweald.

    Either way, I don't think Kael's eye color will be of any importance for his future story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Yes, it is of course possible, but it's kind of hard to define what's natural eye color of an elf, since they always have their eyes affected by magic source they draw their power from. It's still beta, so it may not be even his final version, so let's wait.

    My guess is that this color have something to do with death magic which is soaked all over shadowlands. Ysera also got new eyes in Ardenweald.

    Either way, I don't think Kael's eye color will be of any importance for his future story.
    I had the theory of blue being the natural color from quite some time, and the things that made me believe that are that when Blood elves were made playable, the high elves were added with blue eyes, and there was not a direct quote I were able to take from anywhere that said the blue color was there because of arcane magic, and in Vanilla/Classic, before the introduction of Blood elves, the eyes Thalassians had was normal human like eyes. On the other hand, we know very well from various sources that the green eyes were due to the effects of fel radiation, and the golden ones are there for light worshippers who draw the light from the Sunwell as some sort of belief system.

    But I see a problem with Kael'thas' photo and is that he looks like an undead, or, by default, he has been changed, so... I would not take his appearance as some kind of reliable source of 'unbuilt' or 'deconstructed' Thalassian appearance or whatever is implied.
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  20. #20960
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Yes, it is of course possible, but it's kind of hard to define what's natural eye color of an elf, since they always have their eyes affected by magic source they draw their power from. It's still beta, so it may not be even his final version, so let's wait.

    My guess is that this color have something to do with death magic which is soaked all over shadowlands. Ysera also got new eyes in Ardenweald.

    Either way, I don't think Kael's eye color will be of any importance for his future story.
    I just replied to FossilFree he said that red eye color meant something different from just kael's corruption at the beginning of his story in shadowlands, after we saved kael he stops having corrupt red eyes and has blue eyes

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