Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

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Communities that exist for specific change promote their specific change they want as a community. Water is wet, more news at 11.

No doubt there's some truth there - and they should. Shame it became a bit of an obsession and has quite a negative side as well, though. You know, the whole reporting and trying to get people they don't like banned and all. So it's not really just "promote things they want", is it?

[Sigxy]

Communities that exist for a specific change promote the specific change they want as a community. Water is wet, more news at 11.

Don't let it bother you. It's a good thing people can still get fired up over their desires in this game, as long as it isn't toxic or hurts anyone.

Thing is, I do not believe that anyone who trying to silence other people's opinions, should have their own opinions heard. If they want to be heard - they have to be able to live with that others might disagree with their opinions and take it, accept it, move on.

Not... like the current thing. x_x And obviously at the same time no one should silence their opinions, naturally. I disagree with most high elven concepts here but you won't see me contact all others to report someone.

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Thing is, I do not believe that anyone who trying to silence other people's opinions, should have their own opinions heard. If they want to be heard - they have to be able to live with that others might disagree with their opinions and take it, accept it, move on.

Not... like the current thing. x_x And obviously at the same time no one should silence their opinions, naturally. I disagree with most high elven concepts here but you won't see me contact all others to report someone.

Seems to be an issue, yes.

And The-Shan, don't get me wrong, don't have an issue with others having a different perspective - or even having a question about High Elves in the Q&A (at the point would be nice to have some closure about this topic, no matter what side you're on, really). Traycor, for example, decided to put some of his own effort to create these concepts (and there's a lot of work involved), I participated in this specific discussion before and with him directly. I disagree, I don't personally like the concepts themselves, but was always respectful for his effort (I think) and never told him to stop. I might disagree, but it does please some, so why not?

One thing is to be biased, another is to be obsessed enough to go into great lengths of making only their point across and then painting like there is a "massive worldwide" support and little opposition. Players of all kinds should be able to express themselves about this topic, if they wish, without having any consequence.

Edit: as a funny note, I even tried to do that Legacy survey thing. Naturally, I expected some bias, but not to that extent. My issue is not even that it doesn't cover the "anti-HE" perspective completely, is that it doesn't allow you to do so. The first question might be clear, but if you choose the option of "I don't want HE as a playable race" you answer is simply disregarded, you are locked into answering "pro-HE" questions, where in some of them the most contrary option is a "oh, I don't really mind".
Now, this is a silly survey, and could be seen as something fun. But I'm very sure it will be used as "proof" eventually.

[Garfurion]

A lot of it is a action-reaction chain of events spiraling out of control. Both sides are to blame for this. There are also indications anti-high-elf supporters did things to undermine the pro-high-elf supporters (e.g. hacking/altering websites).

Too many replies o forums attack the poster and not the content of the original post and all that does is create a toxic atmosphere. When replying to a post one should focus on replying to the post, not the person who made the post. For example keeping words like "you" (directly referring to the other poster) out of replies can help the other poster to not feel personally attacked.

Hopefully Ion will say something in todays Q&A which will cool things down, even it Blizzard doesn't intend to take a stance just yet.

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As the story goes forwards, if there is a Light vs Void issue between the Blood Elves and the Void Elves, that is its own story.

I don't see how the Void Elves vs Blood Elves would be central to a Void vs Light story. That would imply that that the Horde becomes the Light-themed faction while the majority of the Alliance races is Light-oriented (Night-Elves don't have playable paladins but do have a strong connection to Elune) and the (Lightforged) Draenei have a stronger Light-theme than the Blood Elves. Void Elves and Lightforged actually more thoroughly define the Alliance as the Light&Void themed faction.

On the Horde side only the Forsaken have a connection to Void with the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow and the Blood Elves have the Holy-Arcane Sunwell but the other Horde races don't have a strong Light connection. Tauren have paladins but lorewise they are more focused on the Earthmother than An'she.

[Ithekro]

I don't see how the Void Elves vs Blood Elves would be central to a Void vs Light story. That would imply that that the Horde becomes the Light-themed faction while the majority of the Alliance races is Light-oriented (Night-Elves don't have playable paladins but do have a strong connection to Elune) and the (Lightforged) Draenei have a stronger Light-theme than the Blood Elves. Void Elves and Lightforged actually more thoroughly define the Alliance as the Light&Void themed faction.

On the Horde side only the Forsaken have a connection to Void with the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow and the Blood Elves have the Holy-Arcane Sunwell but the other Horde races don't have a strong Light connection. Tauren have paladins but lorewise they are more focused on the Earthmother than An'she.

I only mentioned it since several of those that are against the idea of adding High Elves due to the inclusion of Void Elves keep bringing up the concept of Light vs Void with the Blood Elves and their new golden eyes, countering the Void Elves and thus having a clear rivalry and thus no place for the High Elves to go anymore (since the High Elves were the main rival force for the Blood Elves in several shared but rivalry storylines since Wrath.)

[Gentlepenguin]

Communities that exist for a specific change promote the specific change they want as a community. Water is wet, more news at 11.

Don't let it bother you. It's a good thing people can still get fired up over their desires in this game, as long as it isn't toxic or hurts anyone.

It'd be downright lovely, if that were the case. As we speak, the Discord is re-writing it's history, smiting entire channels of potentially harmful content. Assuring newer members that it was just one or two isolated incidents, and threatening bans from the Discord for any further talk about it.

There's a clear point before and after the CM joining that stopped weeks of poor behavior. You can witness the spiral of the Discord as they realized reports could be weaponized. Some reporting so often that they were barred from reporting by Blizzard, something that only happens to habitual false-reporters. One Discord moderator even complaining that alone, their reports were ineffectual, but if they reported together they achieved their desired result, or hoped. Some even post defeatedly when someone they've targeted didn't receive their "just deserts."

[Fahrenheit]

No thank you. I get they're one of a few races with some significant lore to them that aren't a player race, but, I would rather see unique races slotted into the line up. We're chock full of elves. Currently nearly a quarter of all player races are elven, come BfA, it'll still be nearly a 5th.

[Ithekro]

Well that is a Discord channel, and this is MMO Champion's forums. Should we even care what is going on on Discord? I don't. It only sounds like stalking to me.

[Sigxy]

No thank you. I get they're one of a few races with some significant lore to them that aren't a player race, but, I would rather see unique races slotted into the line up. We're chock full of elves. Currently nearly a quarter of all player races are elven, come BfA, it'll still be nearly a 5th.

I agree. We've already got an elf overload at this point so if we were to add more, it'd really be the whole "World of Elfcraft" deal. Again, I say this - make some story about high elves coming back to QT because they miss their home, wants to defend it, and make blue eyes an eye option (just like the golden ones). That way High Elves are available, but not as YET ANOTHER playable race!

[Traycor]

Prior to the Third War, the High Elves and Blood Elves would more or less have the same story. There would minor variation depending on how the story is told.

Groups

When we talk about High Elves and Blood Elves, we're really talking about three distinct groups:

1. WCII elves
2. WCIII Blood Elves
3. MMO Blood Elves

Group 1: the elves of WCII are the High Elves of today. These include the farstriders who left and the magi of Dalaran. Group 3: the blood elves of today's mmo WoW did not get involved in the first, second, and third wars (with some rare exceptions) because they didn't want to be involved.

Group 2: the blood elves of WCIII became the villainous blood elves of Outland and the Isle of Quel'Danas that remained loyal to Kael'Thas. They drew from both other groups, so some were from Dalaran and some were from Silvermoon. Group 3: the blood elves of today's mmo didn't go quite as full-on Kael'Thas. Group 3 also stayed home.

Group 3: the MMO WoW blood elves are the ones who joined the Horde. We don't really have examples of them prior to WoW itself, because the ones we did see in WCIII all died. Void Elves also fall under Group 3.

The history of these three groups throughout the franchise is very distinct with very little overlap. Group 1: the High Elves honored their old alliance to the humans and went off to fight their wars. They lived in Dalaran and mingled with human kingdoms. That's in sharp contrast to the (Group 3) Blood Elves that were isolationist and thought the whole humie-loving thing was madness. Group 2: the WCIII blood elves that followed Kael were kinda in the middle of these two groups. They had no problem romping around everywhere, but they also had no problem with Kael's crazy, which they fell into.

Players asking for playable High Elves as an Allied Race are looking to play members of Group 1. This is something we cannot do with Group 3, the Blood Elves of WoW or the Void Elves. They are different, and they have done different things, had different loyalties, and had different affiliations throughout the franchise.

[Syegfryed]

We're really talking about 3 distinct groups

1. WCII elves
2. WCIII blood elves
3. MMO blood elves

Group 1: the elves of WCII are the High Elves of today. Group 3: the blood elves of today's mmo WoW did not get involved in the prior wars (with some rare exceptions) because they didn't want to be involved.

you just don't know how terrible wrong you are right?

how the heck the WCII elves are the high elves today? do you member the farstriders? against the amani and the old horde? who do you think it was there? Halduron and lorthemar ring any bells?

The blood elves didn't get involved the prior wars? when they are there?

Group 3: the MMO WoW blood elves are the ones who joined the Horde. We don't really have examples of them prior to WoW itself, because the ones we did see in WCIII all died.

WhAt? you don't have exemples prior wow?

this is why i can't take the pro-HE crowd seriously

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Well that is a Discord channel, and this is MMO Champion's forums. Should we even care what is going on on Discord? I don't. It only sounds like stalking to me.

Well... If only those there would not rally to report people here....

[Traycor]

you just don't know how terrible wrong you are right?

how the heck the WCII elves are the high elves today? do you member the farstriders? against the amani and the old horde? who do you think it was there? Halduron and lorthemar ring any bells?

I said with a few exceptions. A couple of the heroes went, but the mmo WoW Blood Elves pretty much all stayed home. Most of the farstriders stayed home too. That's the story.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not talking about the Troll Wars. That was prior to the start of the franchise. I'm just talking about the franchise history itself, not all of the lore history.

[Magnagarde]

I honestly don't know what's more sad lol seeing people ask others to hive-mindedly report people they disagree with for trolling or these people joining that server and wasting their time stalking.

[Amaterasu65]

Yeah sure, let's give the Alliance another copy of the most popular Horde race, this time with more customization options than the original. That's just what this game needs /s.

Sad how most popular Horde race is the only pretty one. Wonder what made them go Horde in the first place if they liked pretty humanoids.

[Traycor]

WhAt? you don't have exemples prior wow?

this is why i can't take the pro-HE crowd seriously

The ones who left are the High Elves now or became the Outland/Quel'Danas Blood Elves. The ones who stayed are the WoW playable Blood Elves.

Except for a couple of heroes (who were never seen in game, btw) we have no examples of them prior to WoW coming out. We never once in the franchise saw the faction that would become the playable Blood Elves until they were introduced in WoW.

[united]

Sad how most popular Horde race is the only pretty one. Wonder what made them go Horde in the first place if they liked pretty humanoids.

please don’t try to claim superiority when it comes to that. your faction is full of purple elves and human paladins.

[Syegfryed]

I said with a few exceptions. A couple of the heroes went, but the mmo WoW Blood Elves pretty much all stayed home. Most of the farstriders stayed home too. That's the story.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not talking about the Troll Wars. That was prior to the start of the franchise. I'm just talking about the franchise history itself, not all of the lore history.

again,you are jut projecting your own headcanon, no this time is jut fanfic

the elves of WCII are the blood elves today, a few exceptions of those elves left quel'thalas because of the mana vermin thing, many time after the second war

so yes, if people are asking to play the "group 1" they can do that with a void elf

[BTHSE]

I said with a few exceptions. A couple of the heroes went, but the mmo WoW Blood Elves pretty much all stayed home. Most of the farstriders stayed home too. That's the story.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm not talking about the Troll Wars. That was prior to the start of the franchise. I'm just talking about the franchise history itself, not all of the lore history.

Are you really trying to argue that the blood elves of today did not get involved in the warcraft II war... that literally had their capital under siege? Are you under the impression that a group of High Elves left Silvermoon in warcraft II and never ever returned home in the 20-30 years since and they're the High Elves of today?

[Syegfryed]

The ones who left are the High Elves now or became the Outland/Quel'Danas Blood Elves. The ones who stayed are the WoW playable Blood Elves.

??????

Except for a couple of heroes (who were never seen in game, btw) we have no examples of them prior to WoW coming out. We never once in the franchise saw the faction that would become the playable Blood Elves until they were introduced in WoW.

the exemples of blood elves prior wow is all the high elves who appear in the past

they just change their names they didn't simple sprouted from the ground