Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Frenchvince]

I didn't say undead though, I said zombie. Zombies≠vampires.



is not the same as

They just don't have anything alive.
This type of undead elf is related to the scourge, nothing to do with blood elves.

[Rhlor]

San'layn aren't zombie elves though, they're vampire elves.

I'd prefer they go the SL Kael'thas route and allow Blood Elves to unlock this form:

kael is not vampire or undead he is dead. and this is corrupt kael.

normal kael now


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I didn't say undead though, I said zombie. Zombies≠vampires.



is not the same as

i'm sure that's a marvel comics character.

but the reality is that the vampires of real European folklore are much more like the "zombies" than the movie stars created by the culture of Hollywood in the mid-twentieth century, it is more the first vampire movie is the most consistent with the description of what the mythological vampires were

[Josyel]

but the reality is that the vampires of real European folklore are much more like the "zombies" than the movie stars created by the culture of Hollywood in the mid-twentieth century, it is more the first vampire movie is the most consistent with the description of what the mythological vampires were

Dude who cares about that? We are talking about a fantasy game, if you say vampire to anyone in the world they would think about Dracula-like vampires.

[Rhlor]

Dude who cares about that? We are talking about a fantasy game, if you say vampire to anyone in the world they would think about Dracula-like vampires.

you are giving me reason! when someone says what vampires should look like and shows a character created in the mid-twentieth century it is clearly not someone who knows what vampires are really like
the perfect representation of dracula in a movie

in revendreth we see real vampires

[Vaedan]

you are giving me reason! when someone says what vampires should look like and shows a character created in the mid-twentieth century it is clearly not someone who knows what vampires are really like
the perfect representation of dracula in a movie

in revendreth we see real vampires

There is no point in discussing vampires from both folklore and pop culture, it will only lead into endless argument war, because vampires have many interpretations through various books, movies, series...

What actually matters is fact that there is a group of Undead elves we know for years which recently showed interest in finding their new place in the world alongside their kin. Horde chose to take them in. It was decision made by Sylvanas (and she let them do what they want), but Rokhan had no problem with them either.

To sum up - San'layn have established lore in game, they have ties to blood elves and there actually is possible narrative which can lead to them being implemented playable. Not to mention there are people who request them for years.

Venthyr on the other hand have little of that. I'm sure some players would like them, but san'layn have more potential and are way easier to implement.

[Rhlor]

There is no point in discussing vampires from both folklore and pop culture, it will only lead into endless argument war, because vampires have many interpretations through various books, movies, series...

What actually matters is fact that there is a group of Undead elves we know for years which recently showed interest in finding their new place in the world alongside their kin. Horde chose to take them in. It was decision made by Sylvanas (and she let them do what they want), but Rokhan had no problem with them either.

To sum up - San'layn have established lore in game, they have ties to blood elves and there actually is possible narrative which can lead to them being implemented playable. Not to mention there are people who request them for years.

Venthyr on the other hand have little of that. I'm sure some players would like them, but san'layn have more potential and are way easier to implement.

the sanlyan who joined Sylvanas devoted to eating members of the horde and now they are dead

[delus]

There is no point in discussing vampires from both folklore and pop culture, it will only lead into endless argument war, because vampires have many interpretations through various books, movies, series...

What actually matters is fact that there is a group of Undead elves we know for years which recently showed interest in finding their new place in the world alongside their kin. Horde chose to take them in. It was decision made by Sylvanas (and she let them do what they want), but Rokhan had no problem with them either.

To sum up - San'layn have established lore in game, they have ties to blood elves and there actually is possible narrative which can lead to them being implemented playable. Not to mention there are people who request them for years.

Venthyr on the other hand have little of that. I'm sure some players would like them, but san'layn have more potential and are way easier to implement.

Undead elves have been a part of the forsaken since it's inception and the San'layn are undead elves that have all been killed off. Basically, the only difference between them and the standard dark ranger is the practice of blood magic. As Rhlor pointed out, most San'layn used the Belf DK models.

[Rhlor]

Undead elves have been a part of the forsaken since it's inception and the San'layn are undead elves that have all been killed off. Basically, the only difference between them and the standard dark ranger is the practice of blood magic. As Rhlor pointed out, most San'layn used the Belf DK models.

DK blood is a san'layn

[delus]

They just don't have anything alive.
This type of undead elf is related to the scourge, nothing to do with blood elves.

Fun fact, most fiction still categorizes vampires as undead. Wow canon recognizes this pattern as San'layn were members of the Scourge raised by Arthas.

The picture of Michael Morbius you showed is one of the very few examples of a living vampire. This was a decision made by the writers to get around the comics code of the time which didn't allow undead

[Vaedan]

Undead elves have been a part of the forsaken since it's inception and the San'layn are undead elves that have all been killed off. Basically, the only difference between them and the standard dark ranger is the practice of blood magic. As Rhlor pointed out, most San'layn used the Belf DK models.

Exactly, undead elves are part of the Horde since the very beginning, so I don't get why some people feel So bad about having this fantasy playable. We've seen Horde (blood elves included) being pretty tolerant towards undead, even if their actions were not always honorable. The only one who spoke against Forsaken was Drek'thar. Regarding San'layn, Rokhan said he is fine with being part of the Horde as long as they follow their rules. It is logical they would join up Forsaken more likely then their living kin, but I guess it is more easy to give undead skin options to blood elves (BE DK already have this option) then create whole set of customizations to Forsaken.

As for model... Yes, they used DK skin because it was closest thing to represent them and I guess Blizz felt no need to create unique skins when they already have enough options thanks to DKs. Lorewise, San'layn are not DKs, or rather say, not all of them are DKs. Their leaders are mages with access to blood magic and most of no name NPCs were not DKs either. If you want to have san'layn blood knight, you are just fine right now, but it does not apply to other classes unfortunately. That's why people request it.

We know that Prince Dreven's group was killed off. I would not be surprised to find out there are more san'layn in Icecrown. We've also seen Mawsworn ressurecting them during prepatch, so their demise is not ultimate obstacle.

[Frenchvince]

The San'layn are unreliable to join the horde, you really have to do the alliance war campaign to understand, and then anyway they've all been exterminated by the alliance.
They have no connection with the blood elves, except perhaps to serve as their blood distributors.

The Dark Rangers are already part of the horde but they are with the Forsaken, not the Blood Elves.

This is why I find it normal that these "undead elves" are not a customization option for blood elves.
I think it is for these 2 reasons that Blizzard will not do it.

[Graeham]

Eh, I wouldn't say they're unreliable. The San'layn who sought to join the Horde simply proved to be opportunistic. It wouldn't be unreasonable for another to seek to join in good faith or because it's a necessity to use the power of undeath to fight fire with fire much like how the exact same justification was used for Demon Hunters and Death Knights. Both of which who were also firmly in the 'enemy' camp at one point.

I'd play one, personally. I've always liked the San'layn and I vastly preferred Blood Elves when they had more grit to them. Currently I play a Void Elf because they are now the ones to have the grit and 'victory at any cost' mentality.

[Ardenaso]

but aren't San'layn literally just Dark Rangers with extra steps?

[delus]

but aren't San'layn literally just Dark Rangers with extra steps?

They're both mid-tier undead, not quite death knights who are the lich king's chosen.

[Rhlor]

Exactly, undead elves are part of the Horde since the very beginning, so I don't get why some people feel So bad about having this fantasy playable. We've seen Horde (blood elves included) being pretty tolerant towards undead, even if their actions were not always honorable. The only one who spoke against Forsaken was Drek'thar. Regarding San'layn, Rokhan said he is fine with being part of the Horde as long as they follow their rules. It is logical they would join up Forsaken more likely then their living kin, but I guess it is more easy to give undead skin options to blood elves (BE DK already have this option) then create whole set of customizations to Forsaken.

As for model... Yes, they used DK skin because it was closest thing to represent them and I guess Blizz felt no need to create unique skins when they already have enough options thanks to DKs. Lorewise, San'layn are not DKs, or rather say, not all of them are DKs. Their leaders are mages with access to blood magic and most of no name NPCs were not DKs either. If you want to have san'layn blood knight, you are just fine right now, but it does not apply to other classes unfortunately. That's why people request it.

We know that Prince Dreven's group was killed off. I would not be surprised to find out there are more san'layn in Icecrown. We've also seen Mawsworn ressurecting them during prepatch, so their demise is not ultimate obstacle.

yes, there are more sanlayn who are loyal to the jailer now.

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Eh, I wouldn't say they're unreliable. The San'layn who sought to join the Horde simply proved to be opportunistic. It wouldn't be unreasonable for another to seek to join in good faith or because it's a necessity to use the power of undeath to fight fire with fire much like how the exact same justification was used for Demon Hunters and Death Knights. Both of which who were also firmly in the 'enemy' camp at one point.

I'd play one, personally. I've always liked the San'layn and I vastly preferred Blood Elves when they had more grit to them. Currently I play a Void Elf because they are now the ones to have the grit and 'victory at any cost' mentality.

sanlayn as customization void elf !! the void elf has DK customization anyway and there might be a sanlayn who wants to join the void elves

[Vaedan]

yes, there are more sanlayn who are loyal to the jailer now.

They are raised by Mawsworn now, so I guess that does not include giving them free will.

sanlayn as customization void elf !! the void elf has DK customization anyway and there might be a sanlayn who wants to join the void elves

Well, when void elves were formed, san'layn were not part of Umbric's group, so I don't they should get that option. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind, but in that case, prepare for rivers of tears from blood elf community, which requests san'layn for blood elves. Most blood elf fans are not really happy how little customizations they get and complain all the time void elves got their skin tones, so void elves getting san'layn skins while blood elves don't will make a lot of people upset. I don't think it'd be fair to blood elves either.

To be honest, best scenario would be san'layn allied race on the Horde to show they are their own independent group with selected classes fitting to them. I'm not sure if we ever get another allied race though.

[Rhlor]

They are raised by Mawsworn now, so I guess that does not include giving them free will.



Well, when void elves were formed, san'layn were not part of Umbric's group, so I don't they should get that option. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind, but in that case, prepare for rivers of tears from blood elf community, which requests san'layn for blood elves. Most blood elf fans are not really happy how little customizations they get and complain all the time void elves got their skin tones, so void elves getting san'layn skins while blood elves don't will make a lot of people upset. I don't think it'd be fair to blood elves either.

To be honest, best scenario would be san'layn allied race on the Horde to show they are their own independent group with selected classes fitting to them. I'm not sure if we ever get another allied race though.

I am prepared anyway it is not something that worries me I prefer that the lore of the blood elves stay healthy

[Frenchvince]

To be honest, best scenario would be san'layn allied race on the Horde to show they are their own independent group with selected classes fitting to them. I'm not sure if we ever get another allied race though.

This is the best scenario, I hope it will happen one day for all San'layn fans. Blizzard could also add dark ranger customization to them.
That way there would finally be a new updated skin because for now the san'layn are physically identical to the DKs.

[TriHard]

Brooooooooo, it would be SIIIIIIIIIIIICK if Blood elves could get customizations like Kael'thas has there, I always wanted the whole San'layn / Blood mage look. That is so cool.

[Vaedan]

This is the best scenario, I hope it will happen one day for all San'layn fans. Blizzard could also add dark ranger customization to them.
That way there would finally be a new updated skin because for now the san'layn are physically identical to the DKs.

The only issue I have with undead skin on blood elves is that would be available for paladins as well, which makes very little sense. While there are undead using Light, they are extreme rare exceptions.

Dark ranger customization is basically only red eyes + undead skin, so san'layn would not need to have anything special to fullfil this fantasy other than hunter and rogue class. New updated vampiric skin would be cool.