Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Frenchvince]

The San'layn are unreliable to join the horde, you really have to do the alliance war campaign to understand, and then anyway they've all been exterminated by the alliance.
They have no connection with the blood elves, except perhaps to serve as their blood distributors.

The Dark Rangers are already part of the horde but they are with the Forsaken, not the Blood Elves.

This is why I find it normal that these "undead elves" are not a customization option for blood elves.
I think it is for these 2 reasons that Blizzard will not do it.

[Ardenaso]

but aren't San'layn literally just Dark Rangers with extra steps?

[delus]

but aren't San'layn literally just Dark Rangers with extra steps?

They're both mid-tier undead, not quite death knights who are the lich king's chosen.

[Rhlor]

Exactly, undead elves are part of the Horde since the very beginning, so I don't get why some people feel So bad about having this fantasy playable. We've seen Horde (blood elves included) being pretty tolerant towards undead, even if their actions were not always honorable. The only one who spoke against Forsaken was Drek'thar. Regarding San'layn, Rokhan said he is fine with being part of the Horde as long as they follow their rules. It is logical they would join up Forsaken more likely then their living kin, but I guess it is more easy to give undead skin options to blood elves (BE DK already have this option) then create whole set of customizations to Forsaken.

As for model... Yes, they used DK skin because it was closest thing to represent them and I guess Blizz felt no need to create unique skins when they already have enough options thanks to DKs. Lorewise, San'layn are not DKs, or rather say, not all of them are DKs. Their leaders are mages with access to blood magic and most of no name NPCs were not DKs either. If you want to have san'layn blood knight, you are just fine right now, but it does not apply to other classes unfortunately. That's why people request it.

We know that Prince Dreven's group was killed off. I would not be surprised to find out there are more san'layn in Icecrown. We've also seen Mawsworn ressurecting them during prepatch, so their demise is not ultimate obstacle.

yes, there are more sanlayn who are loyal to the jailer now.

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Eh, I wouldn't say they're unreliable. The San'layn who sought to join the Horde simply proved to be opportunistic. It wouldn't be unreasonable for another to seek to join in good faith or because it's a necessity to use the power of undeath to fight fire with fire much like how the exact same justification was used for Demon Hunters and Death Knights. Both of which who were also firmly in the 'enemy' camp at one point.

I'd play one, personally. I've always liked the San'layn and I vastly preferred Blood Elves when they had more grit to them. Currently I play a Void Elf because they are now the ones to have the grit and 'victory at any cost' mentality.

sanlayn as customization void elf !! the void elf has DK customization anyway and there might be a sanlayn who wants to join the void elves

[Vaedan]

yes, there are more sanlayn who are loyal to the jailer now.

They are raised by Mawsworn now, so I guess that does not include giving them free will.

sanlayn as customization void elf !! the void elf has DK customization anyway and there might be a sanlayn who wants to join the void elves

Well, when void elves were formed, san'layn were not part of Umbric's group, so I don't they should get that option. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind, but in that case, prepare for rivers of tears from blood elf community, which requests san'layn for blood elves. Most blood elf fans are not really happy how little customizations they get and complain all the time void elves got their skin tones, so void elves getting san'layn skins while blood elves don't will make a lot of people upset. I don't think it'd be fair to blood elves either.

To be honest, best scenario would be san'layn allied race on the Horde to show they are their own independent group with selected classes fitting to them. I'm not sure if we ever get another allied race though.

[Rhlor]

They are raised by Mawsworn now, so I guess that does not include giving them free will.



Well, when void elves were formed, san'layn were not part of Umbric's group, so I don't they should get that option. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind, but in that case, prepare for rivers of tears from blood elf community, which requests san'layn for blood elves. Most blood elf fans are not really happy how little customizations they get and complain all the time void elves got their skin tones, so void elves getting san'layn skins while blood elves don't will make a lot of people upset. I don't think it'd be fair to blood elves either.

To be honest, best scenario would be san'layn allied race on the Horde to show they are their own independent group with selected classes fitting to them. I'm not sure if we ever get another allied race though.

I am prepared anyway it is not something that worries me I prefer that the lore of the blood elves stay healthy

[Frenchvince]

To be honest, best scenario would be san'layn allied race on the Horde to show they are their own independent group with selected classes fitting to them. I'm not sure if we ever get another allied race though.

This is the best scenario, I hope it will happen one day for all San'layn fans. Blizzard could also add dark ranger customization to them.
That way there would finally be a new updated skin because for now the san'layn are physically identical to the DKs.

[Vaedan]

This is the best scenario, I hope it will happen one day for all San'layn fans. Blizzard could also add dark ranger customization to them.
That way there would finally be a new updated skin because for now the san'layn are physically identical to the DKs.

The only issue I have with undead skin on blood elves is that would be available for paladins as well, which makes very little sense. While there are undead using Light, they are extreme rare exceptions.

Dark ranger customization is basically only red eyes + undead skin, so san'layn would not need to have anything special to fullfil this fantasy other than hunter and rogue class. New updated vampiric skin would be cool.

[Lady Atia]

well yes of course; I meant "all available/playable classes" of course by default no Warlocks and Shamans, etc...

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if I'm not mistaken the Quel'lithien High Elves became Wretched in Cata, which was like 3 years in lore time after the Sunwell was restored

Night Elves could get Shamans and Paladins the same way Tauren got Paladins and Priests - just say they represent something else. The resto shaman artifact was used by Aszhara after all (and looks weird with all the current races tbh).

[Frenchvince]

Dark ranger customization is basically only red eyes + undead skin, so san'layn would not need to have anything special to fullfil this fantasy other than hunter and rogue class. New updated vampiric skin would be cool.

It's true, we can say that ultimately the dark ranger is no longer an exclusive for the blood elf model since the Forsaken also obtained the red eyes. It just became a personalization for the undead.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Not High Elf news, but seems all the DK hair colors will be freed to all classes! That's just awesome for more options all around, and it interestingly also overlaps more the options between BE and VE, with shades of blue now available to both not only as DK's.

TBH, if I didn't enjoy autumnal aesthetics so much on Blood Elves, I might use blue/silver hair on one of mine.

[elbleuet]

Not High Elf news, but seems all the DK hair colors will be freed to all classes! That's just awesome for more options all around, and it interestingly also overlaps more the options between BE and VE, with shades of blue now available to both not only as DK's.

TBH, if I didn't enjoy autumnal aesthetics so much on Blood Elves, I might use blue/silver hair on one of mine.

If it's true, then it's another victory.

Silver haired High elf would be awesome !

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

If it's true, then it's another victory.

Silver haired High elf would be awesome !

Indeed, but so far nothing on that, just that BE DK hairs are now available to all classes. Just pointing out there's no a bigger overlap of blue-ish hair in VE/BE.

But I do think that lifting such hair color restrictions for all races bids well to what options we will get when AR get updated.

[Kyriani]

Indeed, but so far nothing on that, just that BE DK hairs are now available to all classes. Just pointing out there's no a bigger overlap of blue-ish hair in VE/BE.

But I do think that lifting such hair color restrictions for all races bids well to what options we will get when AR get updated.

Where exactly did you see this is for sure happening? Last I saw was players lamenting that they took DK hair colors away from non-DK Night Elves. I mean, I hope you're right, I really do, I just want to see where you saw this is actually going to happen (was it a twitter post or something?).

[Frenchvince]

Not High Elf news, but seems all the DK hair colors will be freed to all classes! That's just awesome for more options all around, and it interestingly also overlaps more the options between BE and VE, with shades of blue now available to both not only as DK's.

TBH, if I didn't enjoy autumnal aesthetics so much on Blood Elves, I might use blue/silver hair on one of mine.

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/news...in-shadowlands

That's so cool, a sharing of hair colors between blood elves / void elves now please Blizz !

[Varodoc]

For 3 years I have fought so that void elves could have pink skin tones like Alleria. Now I shall fight so that void elves can have blonde hair options like Alleria. The fight to look like Alleria will never end. We are going after the braids once the blonde hair is available.

[Frenchvince]

For 3 years I have fought so that void elves could have pink skin tones like Alleria. Now I shall fight so that void elves can have blonde hair options like Alleria. The fight to look like Alleria will never end. We are going after the braids once the blonde hair is available.

It is also my goal, to one day be able to resemble a high elf who masters the void like Alleria. <3

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Where exactly did you see this is for sure happening? Last I saw was players lamenting that they took DK hair colors away from non-DK Night Elves. I mean, I hope you're right, I really do, I just want to see where you saw this is actually going to happen (was it a twitter post or something?).

French with the link!

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/news...in-shadowlands

That's so cool, a sharing of hair colors between blood elves / void elves now please Blizz !

I had seen Ion's tweet about it myself but didn't hunt it down to source it; figured it was going to spread since since it came from himself, and here it is!

But yeh, the loosening of aesthetic restrictions is just great, and makes me hopeful for the options AR will get when it comes to them.

Honestly I think we will get lot of hair color options with them overall.

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It is also my goal, to one day be able to resemble a high elf who masters the void like Alleria. <3

It's just kinda silly when you can't replicate the fantasy of your faction leader; that was always a huge issue with Sylvanas, and then they went and did it again with her sister Alleria, lol.

So yeah, I do hope we are allowed to get closer to her look soon, and specially, to see her ranger aesthetics adapted to a Void Elf sensibility -or just as, since it still remains an aspect of Thalassian culture barely touched upon- Would be amazing to see more braided hairstyles, tattoos and feather decorations, but imagine so with a void twist -braids with tentacles, void-feathers and shimmering purple to blue tattoos for example-

[Kyriani]

Awesome TY! Glad to hear that these options will be available regardless of class!

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Now just give DKs two more eye color options, bloody red and unholy green, which get distributed to all the other classes too .