1. #2101
    Quote Originally Posted by Corazona View Post
    Are you really trying to argue that the blood elves of today did not get involved in the warcraft II war... that literally had their capital under siege?
    We know the lands of Quel'Thalas were attacked. But that was never in the franchise. We had no such missions or anything. It's just back story.

    I don't remember reading about a siege unless that's been added in the Chronicles? Some Horde players have argued in this thread that the elves were basically not involved at all, which I found silly. Please enlighten me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corazona View Post
    Are you under the impression that a group of High Elves left Silvermoon in warcraft II and never ever returned home in the 20-30 years since and they're the High Elves of today?
    Many did leave in WCII, and the lore was clear that most of the elves wanted nothing to do with it. These that fought alongside the humans (and elves that had already left) are the High Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the exemples of blood elves prior wow is all the high elves who appear in the past

    they just change their names they didn't simple sprouted from the ground
    The high elves didn't fall out of the sky. They left and got involved in the human wars. The Silvermoon Blood Elves are the ones who stayed home. That's why they were there when their people were killed. The lore was clear that the Silvermoon Blood Elves were isolationist (which means they were cut off from others).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traycor View Post
    The high elves didn't fall out of the sky. They left and got involved in the human wars.
    yeah and now they rename themselves into blood elves

    The Silvermoon Blood Elves are the ones who stayed home.That's why they were there when their people were killed.
    prove or didn't happen, you can't just say that the elves who fight in the second war are not the elves of silvermoon and affirm they are the HE today, this is beyond headcanon and is borderline tumblr fanfic

    and the blood elves are not just "the elves of silvermoon" they are the elves of quel'thalas

    The lore was clear that the Silvermoon Blood Elves were isolationist (which means they were cut off from others).
    the lore is clear that elves, in general, were isolationist, with a few exceptions.

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    I don't remember reading about a siege unless that's been added in the Chronicles? Some Horde players have argued in this thread that the elves were basically not involved at all, which I found silly. Please enlighten me.
    Silvermoon was unscathed thanks to the magical barriers around the city but it was under siege from the horde's forces, just because the horde couldn't get past the barrier and into the city does not mean that this wasn't a siege.

    Many did leave in WCII, and the lore was clear that most of the elves wanted nothing to do with it. These (and elves that had already left) are the High Elves.
    The elves sent their full force out. That's the actual lore. The elves were outraged to have seen their forests burnt down and gave the alliance their full support. That's what every sources on the matter say ; the elves initially only sent a token force at the beginning of the second war (the "they didn't want anything to do with it" part ) then the Horde sieged Silvermoon City and the Elves sent their full army to join the Alliance as retaliation.

    So no, the elves that left Silvermoon in the second war are not the high elves of today. It was the full Thalassian Army that set out to fight the Horde and came back towards the end of the war. Unless you want to tell me that the full Thalassian army deserted their nation. May be you were confused with the small group of elves led by Alleria that defied King Anastherian by joining the Alliance at the beginning of the second war? But even those would have been far more likely to have been part of the expedition into outland and be lost alongside Alleria than be the High Elves that were part of the Alliance so far.

  4. #2104
    Quote Originally Posted by Corazona View Post
    Are you under the impression that a group of High Elves left Silvermoon in warcraft II and never ever returned home in the 20-30 years since and they're the High Elves of today?
    The High Elves of the Alliance Expedition to Outland did indeed leave Silvermoon in Warcraft II and couldn't return to Azeroth after the Dark Portal was closed. They were involved in the founding of the Allerian Stronghold and remained in Outland as part of the Alliance Expedition at least until the Dark Portal was reopened in WoW TBC. As far as can be determined they are still Alliance aligned High Elves. Check out Auric Sunchaser for instance.

  5. #2105
    Quote Originally Posted by Garfurion View Post
    The High Elves of the Alliance Expedition to Outland did indeed leave Silvermoon in Warcraft II and couldn't return to Azeroth after the Dark Portal was closed. They were involved in the founding of the Allerian Stronghold and remained in Outland as part of the Alliance Expedition at least until the Dark Portal was reopened in WoW TBC. As far as can be determined they are still Alliance aligned High Elves.
    I mean yeah, I thought of those but they're a different thing altogether. They couldn't possibly be "the high elves we know today", they're only a small part of the high elves we know today. Most of the high elves we know today are either elves from dalaran who already had strong ties with humans and decided they'd rather stay with the alliance and some elves that were horrified of the blood elve's practice of siphoning living beings to satisfy their mana addiction and ended up leaving silvermoon after the third wars. The high elves we know today are certainly not "the ones from warcraft II" and that the misconception I'm trying to put an end to here.

  6. #2106
    Quote Originally Posted by Corazona View Post
    The elves sent their full force out. That's the actual lore. The elves were outraged to have seen their forests burnt down and gave the alliance their full support. That's what every sources on the matter say ; the elves initially only sent a token force at the beginning of the second war (the "they didn't want anything to do with it" part ) then the Horde sieged Silvermoon City and the Elves sent their full army to join the Alliance as retaliation.

    So no, the elves that left Silvermoon in the second war are not the high elves of today. It was the full Thalassian Army that set out to fight the Horde and came back towards the end of the war.
    That's new to me, because I've never read anywhere that the entire Thalassian army mobilized against the Horde. The rangers and the boats were all we had in WCII, and there were no missions that even remotely reflected that happening. I'm assuming some of this clarification came from Chronicles?

    Even then, did their army leave their lands? (I'm actually asking btw). It sounds like they mobilized to defend themselves. It does not sound like they went into the human kingdoms to fight and join their armies.

    And assuming all of what you posted is 100% accurate (which it sounds like you know your stuff) we still never saw these Silvermoon Blood Elves in the franchise until WoW. This is all backstory that was never represented in game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corazona View Post
    The high elves we know today are certainly not "the ones from warcraft II" and that the misconception I'm trying to put an end to here.
    On this point I disagree. The "token" force you mentioned is clearly the High Elves. These elves were the early adopters that were fine with leaving and fighting alongside the Alliance. That's where most of the High Elves outside Dalaran come from. Quel'Danil, Farstrider Lodge, Stormwind, and Allerian Stronghold. The High Elves are most certainly not just the Dalaran Elves (those are the Silver Covenant).

    The Thallasians as a whole were isolationists that stayed in their own lands. This is well known. The Blood Elves we did see prior to WoW were the villains of WoW, not the heroic playable Blood Elves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traycor View Post
    That's new to me, because I've never read anywhere that the entire Thalassian army mobilized against the Horde. The rangers and the boats were all we had in WCII, and there were no missions that even remotely reflected that happening. I'm assuming some of this clarification came from Chronicles?

    Even then, did their army leave their lands? (I'm actually asking btw). It sounds like they mobilized to defend themselves. It does not sound like they went into the human kingdoms to fight and join their armies.

    And assuming all of what you posted is 100% accurate (which it sounds like you know your stuff) we still never saw these Silvermoon Blood Elves in the franchise until WoW. This is all backstory that was never represented in game.
    Let me clarify a few things.

    a- Elves have been living in Dalaran with humans for over 2,000 years.
    b- The elves kept ranger lodges in Lordaeron and even Khaz Modan as outposts
    c- In the Second War, Quel'thalas initially sent only a small token force. That force was led by Alleria, who believed elves should not remain isolated.
    d- After the orcs torched Eversong, the elves fully commited to the Alliance
    e- After the war, Quel'thalas retreated from the Alliance, but some elves chose to remain in human lands and keep helping
    f- Arthas kills 90% of the elves (thought it is ambiguous if that means 90% of Quel'thalas population or enough of it to reach 90% of total elves everywhere).
    g- Arthas invades Dalaran and Archimonde destroys the city, but the population was evacuated before that (this is new lore, from Chronicle v3)
    h- After the Sunwell is corrupted and Kael'thas learns how to Mana Tap from Illidan, 10% of the remaining elves (again, it's ambiguous if it means total population worldwide or just survivors from Quel'thalas) refuse to become blood elves. Many of them are forcefully exiled from their lands.
    i- Dark Portal reopens, and Outland population of high elves can now return.

    High elf population come from a, b, c, e, g, h and i. These are elves that were either living away from home to begin with, or were forcefully exiled from it. The Dalarani population in particular had been living (and breeding, probably) with humans for centuries.
    Whatever...

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    That's new to me, because I've never read anywhere that the entire Thalassian army mobilized against the Horde. The rangers and the boats were all we had in WCII, and there were no missions that even remotely reflected that happening. I'm assuming some of this clarification came from Chronicles?
    Since you seem kin on in-game references here is a excerpt from an in-game wow book "As part of its northern campaign, the Horde succeeded in burning down the borderlands of Quel'Thalas, thereby ensuring the elves' final commitment to the Alliance's cause." For more details you'll indeed have to read chronicles of the Tides of Darkness novels.

    Even then, did their army leave their lands? (I'm actually asking btw). It sounds like they mobilized to defend themselves. It does not sound like they went into the human kingdoms to fight and join their armies.
    With regards to the WarII game itself that impression is mostly due to the limitations of the time but it was part of the storyline nevertheless. You had to play the Horde campaign to see the details of why the elves decided to join (the burning of Quel'thalas) while in the Alliance campaign I believe you only got a brief "Okay, the elves are joining now" during a naval mission briefing which didn't necessarily detail the circumstances of why the main army elven army joined the fold. I wouldn't fault anyone for thinking "well that must be the same elves that were with us since the start and not reinforcement from silvermoon".

    c- In the Second War, Quel'thalas initially sent only a small token force. That force was led by Alleria, who believed elves should not remain isolated.
    Just a precision, Quel'thalas did only send a token force however Alleria was not the leader of that force. She believed that Silvermoon had not sent enough troops so she defied the king by raising her own forces and joining the Alliance on top of the token forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traycor View Post

    And assuming all of what you posted is 100% accurate (which it sounds like you know your stuff) we still never saw these Silvermoon Blood Elves in the franchise until WoW. This is all backstory that was never represented in game.
    almost everything is just represented in lore and not ingame, ingame we had only alleria and she is a void elf now.

    "the units" of the warcraft were high elves thus now blood elves



    On this point I disagree. The "token" force you mentioned is clearly the High Elves. These elves were the early adopters that were fine with leaving and fighting alongside the Alliance. That's where most of the High Elves outside Dalaran come from. Quel'Danil, Farstrider Lodge, Stormwind, and Allerian Stronghold.
    and again, this is just headcanon, the token force could be blood elves as well, after the war they could just return home, the are no proof that all of then are HE, they could just not share the alleria vision, and could just do their job.

    You can't proof that the elves in those places are also part from the "token" force, that would be almost impossible

    the expedition to outland was made after the second war, the elves who follow alleria could just be other elves, who didn't come from the token force

    The Blood Elves we did see prior to WoW were the villains of WoW, not the heroic playable Blood Elves.
    just... no
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  10. #2110
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    the exemples of blood elves prior wow is all the high elves who appear in the past
    In WCIII (before the xpac) all the High Elves we had were the Dalaran High Elves. These are now the Silver Covenant High Elves or the High Elves left at Theramore like Captain Danill and his High Elf troops.

    In WCIII (after the xpac) the Blood Elves are the ones who later became the villains in WoW and followed Kael'Thas.

    Neither group in WCIII represented the Silvermoon Blood Elves that are playable today.

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    In WCII (before the xpac) we had the "token force" that later settled in the lodges and Stormwind. These are now the general High Elves.

    In WCII (after the xpac) we have the elves who went to Outland. These are now the Allerian High Elves.

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    The only possible exception I could see would be the navy. There might have been Silvermoon Blood Elves fighting in the navy of the Alliance in WCII. It's hard to tell if the Thallasians just supplied the Alliance with boats, or if they manned them and fought on them as well. Does Chronicles clarify on this?

  11. #2111
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    Fine you want HE then ask for Forest Trolls too then we are set
    Only if those forest trolls are Amani for the drama that would ensue. And LorThemar could be the one to recruit them for added salt.

  12. #2112
    Quote Originally Posted by Corazona View Post
    Just a precision, Quel'thalas did only send a token force however Alleria was not the leader of that force. She believed that Silvermoon had not sent enough troops so she defied the king by raising her own forces and joining the Alliance on top of the token forces.
    Thanks for the clarification.
    Whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traycor View Post
    In WCIII (before the xpac) all the High Elves we had were the Dalaran High Elves. These are now the Silver Covenant High Elves or the High Elves left at Theramore like Captain Danill and his High Elf troops.
    haha, again with hedcanon, no, they are not

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    the elves who helped the alliance in war3 are the elves from quel'thalas, who are now blood elves


    In WCIII (after the xpac) the Blood Elves are the ones who later became the villains in WoW and followed Kael'Thas.
    again, not all of then, just the ones who were imprisoned in dalaran, and flee to outland, some of then back, justlike Rommath


    Neither group in WCIII represented the Silvermoon Blood Elves that are playable today.
    except, the "silvermoon blood elves" are the quel'thalas elves, also, high elves, so yes they were represented in the past



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    In WCII (before the xpac) we had the "token force" that later settled in the lodges and Stormwind. These are now the general High Elves.
    again, prove, cause those could just go back home and be the blood elves now, like Halduron and the other farstriders

    In WCII (after the xpac) we have the elves who went to Outland. These are now the Allerian High Elves.
    an even small force who still is in outland

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    haha, again with hedcanon, no, they are not
    Except there was plenty of High Elves at Dalaran. Hell before the Scourging of Quel'thalas even Kael'thas himself was a student there.
    the elves who helped the alliance in war3 are the elves from quel'thalas, who are now blood elves
    They were High Elves, which further more showed how much ppl wanted High Elves in the Alliance. Yeah they turned into Blood Elves(Or Kael'thas's survivors) but the point still stands.

    again, not all of then, just the ones who were imprisoned in dalaran, and flee to outland, some of then back, justlike Rommath
    Kael'thas's Blood Elves got imprisoned yes but the bulk that the player Blood Elves were in Quel'thalas. The ones that followed Kael'thas were considered villainous(See Sunfury elves that we killed a lot in BC)

    except, the "silvermoon blood elves" are the quel'thalas elves, also, high elves, so yes they were represented in the past
    The ones that were left and well eventually had to feed on fel and other things, High Elves decided "No" and well Lor'themar exiled them. There's already some High Elves in Outland still around but originally the Silvermoon Blood Elves WERE High Elves at one point.

    again, prove, cause those could just go back home and be the blood elves now, like Halduron and the other farstriders
    The ones that went with the Son's of Lothar and Alleria that ended up stranded when the Dark Portal closed, it's literally right there in BC as I pointed up above.

    an even small force who still is in outland
    Logistics is literally the last thing Warcraft lore deals with, considering Void Elves are here and well Lightforged Draenei are small in number.
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  15. #2115
    Quote Originally Posted by Enkrypt View Post
    I'll commend you for your optimism in the face of the overwhelming odds that High Elves probably won't happen.

    But the reason why there isn't an option for a Sylvanas-esque elf in the game is because what happened to her is fairly unique. It would require a large quantity of people to be killed and then brought back to life in the same way she was. Not like the Forsaken, either. Exactly the same way she was. Death Knights themselves adhere fairly closely to this mechanism of reanimation, but her level of it is even more unique than that. I'm actually quite unsure how Nathanos became the way he is, but wasn't he a Human?

    San'layn are literally part of the Scourge. While it's not impossible I highly doubt, even more so than High Elves, that a faction of Elves under the command of the Scourge would join the Horde on a playable level. Let's even consider for a moment that Bolvar would give permission to this. What makes you believe Bolvar would allow Sylvanas, the current Warchief, to take control of a faction of elves under his command? To be frank, did you even think this through?

    We've been accused of being "closed minded" and giving simple retorts to counter the High Elf argument. But this is why it's mostly hard to take you guys seriously. You guys just want things for the sake of wanting them, and to most of you, that's justification enough when it is simply not. It's almost as if no thought or credence is given to the way the story has been told and laid out. But posts like this one will likely get ignored because it doesn't fit the agenda of those begging for High Elves.

    For us to lose Silvermoon as a capital city would mean the Alliance would have to lose another city. There's no way, in terms of balance, that the Alliance would claim both Lordaeron and Silvermoon while we only burn down Darnassus. Another testament to how little forethought goes into these "we will take this whether you like it or not" claims you guys have become so fond of making.

    If you want to convince people, or garner support, this is not the way to go about doing it. In fact, I believe it will have the opposite effect.
    Finally got time to answer this Here it goes:

    I'll commend you for your optimism in the face of the overwhelming odds that High Elves probably won't happen.
    I thank you again for your compliment However i am very curious where you get those "overwhelming" data statistics!


    But the reason why there isn't an option for a Sylvanas-esque elf in the game is because what happened to her is fairly unique. It would require a large quantity of people to be killed and then brought back to life in the same way she was. Not like the Forsaken, either. Exactly the same way she was. Death Knights themselves adhere fairly closely to this mechanism of reanimation, but her level of it is even more unique than that. I'm actually quite unsure how Nathanos became the way he is, but wasn't he a Human?

    San'layn are literally part of the Scourge. While it's not impossible I highly doubt, even more so than High Elves, that a faction of Elves under the command of the Scourge would join the Horde on a playable level. Let's even consider for a moment that Bolvar would give permission to this. What makes you believe Bolvar would allow Sylvanas, the current Warchief, to take control of a faction of elves under his command? To be frank, did you even think this through?
    Here i agree only partially with you (a very small part!). Yes, Sylvanas was raised in a special way by Arthas. However other killed High Elves were raised in undeath by him as well. There are many Dark Ranger NPCs ingame that go with Sylvanas. I also agree that the San'layn are a special case, but if undead elf race would come out, i would mix the sanlayn and dark ranger concepts in the customzation options for gameplay / diversity choices. Also they could make up new lore to justify these changes, as they did to justify the void elves existance or to the nightborne and highmountain changing from neutral to horde faction.

    We've been accused of being "closed minded"
    Yes! That completely defines all the frevorous anti high elf MMO-champ forum militants

    But this is why it's mostly hard to take you guys seriously.
    Why? Because we have different opinions?


    You guys just want things for the sake of wanting them, and to most of you, that's justification enough when it is simply not. It's almost as if no thought or credence is given to the way the story has been told and laid out.
    It's not a question of wanting or not wanting. It's a question of analysing the current allied race model (which has been live ingame since 2 months ago for everyone who pre-purchased BfA) on how new playable races are chosen and created, and seeing how Alliance High Elves qualify the same criteria that made the current allied races playable. Check the video below, if you already haven't:



    ut posts like this one will likely get ignored because it doesn't fit the agenda of those begging for High Elves.
    Yes, this post was supposed to insert some humor into the 100 pages. I have posted so much in these 100 pages already, that i decided to insert this to lighten up the discussion. Jesus, where is your sense of humor, guys?

    For us to lose Silvermoon as a capital city would mean the Alliance would have to lose another city. There's no way, in terms of balance, that the Alliance would claim both Lordaeron and Silvermoon while we only burn down Darnassus. Another testament to how little forethought goes into these "we will take this whether you like it or not" claims you guys have become so fond of making.
    I joked as being an Alliance High Elf who wants Silvermoon back. That doesn't mean the war will succeed or not. I didn't like at all having two of my favorite vanilla places being destroyed (Teldrassil Tree and Undercity). Man i loved those to places. So many good memories. But war is war, and things like this can happen all the time.

    And it is possible to lose silvermoon as well. Alliance could get Silvermoon and horde could get Exodar as an alternative. There are so many possibilities in WoW storytelling that i don't understand why people keep saying "it's not possible" to happen in a fictional universe, especially one like Warcraft that has had so many retcons since 30 years ago (check Chronicles as an example). Anything is possible, if Blizzard wants it to be. They are the owners of the franchise, and the final decision is theirs, even if it means to create new "ass pulled" allied races, as so many people call Void Elves.

    f you want to convince people, or garner support, this is not the way to go about doing it. In fact, I believe it will have the opposite effect.
    Thank you for lecturing me on how to make mmo-champion posts
    I have made so many posts in this thread already, that I am sure this specific post won't affect anything.

    Maybe you should also relax and not take this too seriously as well? This is just a game afterall.
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    all the High Elves we had were the Dalaran High Elves. These are now the Silver Covenant High Elves or the High Elves left at Theramore like Captain Danill and his High Elf troops.
    There is just nothing to support that. Heck, there is strong evidence to support the exact opposite. Kael'thas and his group of blood elves were helping the alliance against the scourge in Lordaron, their missions took place in Dalaran. Don't you think that most of the able bodied forces that would volunteer to help Kael'thas and the Alliance retake Lordaron and Dalaran rather than rebuild Silvermoon would be the elves of Dalaran themselves? Those elves were apprehended and sentenced to death in Dalaran by Garithos. Do you really believe that Garithos would have made a distinction between Kael'thas blood elves and whichever High Elves were lingering around Dalaran? Off course not, he would have apprehended and executed them all the same so it is very likely that a good chunk of the elves that joined Kael'thas in outland were themselves Dalaran elves. Heck, Kael'thas himself could be considered a Dalaran elf since he was known to spend more time in Dalaran than in Silvermoon.

    Again you cannot say that "All the HE come from here or there", there is no single source for the HE. In the aftermath of the third war the HE renamed themselves blood elves as a way to acknowledge their hardship, however as the BE got desperate to satisfy their addiction most of them started siphoning living beings for their mana. Some of the elves said "wow, I want no part of that, I'm leaving" and they joined the alliance. They did that both individually and in groups, some were initially Silvermoon citizens, some were Dalaran citizens, some were from lodges, some were from the Alliance expedition... It's all a very mixed back. The HE of today come from various sources, just like the blood elves of today weren't only citizens of silvermoon. Some of them were from lodges who decided to go back to silvermoon to rebuild their homeland, some of them were from Dalaran and moved to silvermoon after Dalaran was destroyed, some of them used to be soldiers who fought in the second war and just came home after the Horde had been defeated.

    You can't just go "This is where they're all from, they're all just some very distinct groups that have been separate for a long time and stayed that way" they're all the same race, the same culture with minor variation in their backgrounds that ended up separating in the aftermath of the third war.

    In WCII (before the xpac) we had the "token force" that later settled in the lodges and Stormwind. These are now the general High Elves.
    Again, you have nothing to support that. The lodges have nothing to do with those forces. The lodges were initially some elven forces positioned in various places so the elves could keep tabs on the world, they existed before the second war and after it they mostly stayed on the side of the alliance after the third war but there is just no evidence that the token force from WarII has anything to do with them. The token force was just some loyal soldiers obeying their king's order to pretend that they supported the alliance. There is just no reason to believe they were out there because of their conviction that helping the alliance was right. Nothing to tell us that any of them volunteered and didn't want to go back home afterwards (unlike the forces commanded by Alleria which all decided that they'd rather support the alliance)

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    WORD OF GOD IS CANON, Ion says that
    Man, i can't understand this obssession some people here have for Ion and every single word he says.
    He is not president of Blizzard company, and everything he or any other Blizzard employee say doesn't mean it is the final word from Blizzard related to any issue for ALL ETERNITY.

    Things evolve, things change through time. It is normal in a game like this. One moment they have certain goals to accomplish, other moments their goals shift to other priorities or they change their minds related to certain issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Except there was plenty of High Elves at Dalaran. Hell before the Scourging of Quel'thalas even Kael'thas himself was a student there.
    thats totally irrelevant to the subject we are talking about

    he said all the elves who appear in warcraft 3 are the elves from dalaran, and its not true, they are from quelthalas

    the elves from dalaran after the scourge attack could just go back to their home, or follow kael, you can't prove they are now all alliance

    They were High Elves, which further more showed how much ppl wanted High Elves in the Alliance. Yeah they turned into Blood Elves(Or Kael'thas's survivors) but the point still stands.
    if they are now blood elves, the point not stand, if people want those high elves they can play then with another name.

    not in the right faction? too bad, get over it, things don't always come like we want.

    Kael'thas's Blood Elves got imprisoned yes but the bulk that the player Blood Elves were in Quel'thalas. The ones that followed Kael'thas were considered villainous(See Sunfury elves that we killed a lot in BC)
    Again not all of then, some of then did back to quel'thalas, and are there until today, like rommanth and the elves who bring the mana/fel crystals

    The ones that were left and well eventually had to feed on fel and other things, High Elves decided "No" and well Lor'themar exiled them. There's already some High Elves in Outland still around but originally the Silvermoon Blood Elves WERE High Elves at one point.
    now and then this "feed on fel" comes up, thats just boring

    those high elves who decide "no" and get exiled, were blood elves at some point, then rename to high elves

    yet, i can't see your point here, silvermoon blood elves are high elves.

    The ones that went with the Son's of Lothar and Alleria that ended up stranded when the Dark Portal closed, it's literally right there in BC as I pointed up above.
    you are talking about the ones who went to outland with alleria, we are talking about the ones who were sent by Anesterian as token force to fight by the alliance, and those could be blood elves now just fine.

    Logistics is literally the last thing Warcraft lore deals with, considering Void Elves are here and well Lightforged Draenei are small in number.
    you can proof that void elves and LF draenei have small numbers than the HE in outland? cause the logic say its obvious the contrary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaexion Ramza Beoulve View Post
    Hey looks like you're having a wonderful chat and productive discussion.

    Just wanted to remind everyone that it will never happen.
    OK Thanks for reminding us of your personal opinion!
    I will also remind everyone that my personal opinion is that it will happen sooner or later
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    Fine you want HE then ask for Forest Trolls too then we are set
    Sure, sounds good! Gotta give those High Elves a proper rival/enemy, after all. Who better than their oldest and most hated one?

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