Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

I'm not talking about someone that wants to RP their character a certain way, even if it goes against established lore, that's the point of RP - it's yours.

The issue comes from people trying to use their headcanon RP as if it's established lore, even Blizzard does not support that.

Blizzard supports allowing you to RP your character however you wish. Blizzard does not support your RP as if it is their established lore.

There's a big difference between those two things.

The problem is not what people want to personally RP within their own narratives, the problem is when people take that permission to argue that the lore itself should reflect their preference.

The lore is a guideline for RP, but RP does not affect the lore.

Your blue eyed elf on the horde can perfectly call themselves a High Elf, they could very well in their own narrative push of a restoration movement, and that totally cool, but that does not change the facts, the lore, as it is, which is no Group of thalassians in the horde refer to themselves as High Elves, they are a very strongly unified political entity under Lor'themar as Blood Elves.

The alliance, on the other hand, does have several groups that refer to themselves as High Elves. The point is not whether they should or not, or if Blood Elves should go back to High Elves; it's merely pointing out the facts of the situation.

To say that the Horde has blood elves and the alliance has High Elves should not be considered an antagonistic comment, but a simply a statement of, if generalized, facts. It simply makes reference to the ideological and political divide that sees one group on the horde, and the other predominantly on the alliance.

Personally, I think that if someone who plays a void elf and with high elf customization, no one should tell them that it is not, it is their personal canon and Danuser said that the personal canon is canon with the new customizations, if you play sand troll customizations then you are sand troll in the same way that if you play wildhammer you are a wildhammer, the art director said they were adding high elves as high elf customization for void elves and blood elves, it is the blizz who said this, say that a race is the true is silly all those who play with the customizations are high elves said by the devs

[Alanar]

Personally, I think that if someone who plays a void elf and with high elf customization, no one should tell them that it is not, it is their personal canon and Danuser said that the personal canon is canon with the new customizations, if you play sand troll customizations then you are sand troll in the same way that if you play wildhammer you are a wildhammer, the art director said they were adding high elves as high elf customization for void elves and blood elves, it is the blizz who said this, say that a race is the true is silly all those who play with the customizations are high elves said by the devs

I was saying that earlier, it is an rp element without the tag, same as you feel like you are a wildhammer dwarf.. then you are a wildhammer dwarf.

Idk depends on how you take it.. I mean obviously it isnt realy canon. People come up with the weirdest rp stories. Making every thing canon like that kinda takes the piss on the whole thing.

Its good thats its there and if you feel like a high elf as a void elf. You can rp as one. But the tag remains void elf. So you gotta tell people you are a high elf basically. That was the whole point of it all.

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above all else on what I said before, the word of god himself says that "Void Elves are High Elves" too

Void elves can be high or blood elves.

Blood elves are high elves, but not all high elves are blood elves.

Thats it.

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The Ren'dorei are and have always been High elves, as they are Blood elves mutated by the Void, but the Blood elves are biologically High elves.

I also theorized in the past that the Ren'dorei are actually closer to the Highvale/Silver Covenant elves than the Blood elves, because their eyes are blue, not green. Thus I believe that the Void cleansed them of their Fel mutation (i.e. green eyes), making them biologically much closer to Vereesa and co. than the Blood elves of the Horde.

Uhm somewhat. Its stated both blood and high elves can become void elves. Like I said before, not all blood elves are high elves.

But yea the 2 groups can both become void elves.

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Exactly. If the devs say Void Elves are High Elves, and they are soon getting the options to look like High Elves, how can anyone say they aren't High Elves? Since when does a specific hairstyle or specific shade of hair color determines which race is or isn't a "true" High Elf.

Its more that high elves in wow were all represented with light hair and fair skin. It kinda went unnoticed and became the norm of what a high elf is.

But I agree why couldnt high elves have black hair? Just that wow created that fair elf look in bc and stick with it over the years.

[FlubberPuddy]

Its more that high elves in wow were all represented with light hair and fair skin. It kinda went unnoticed and became the norm of what a high elf is.

But I agree why couldnt high elves have black hair? Just that wow created that fair elf look in bc and stick with it over the years.

Your comments are so strange. First you only kept saying high elves are 'fair skin with blue eyes', now when someone gives you an example of fair skin and blue eyes you say that light hair color is needed for it to be 'a high elf'. It's like those fellows who went, 'lol as long as you can't make a fair skin, blue eyed Paladin on Alliance then it's not a 'true' high elf!!' when Paladin has never been the deciding factor for whether a high elf is a high elf.

All of it seems like a roundabout way to say that only Blood Elves are high elves, when that's not true as every version of a thalassian is a high elf, whether they're blood elves or void elves (both of these were regarded as 'flavors of high elves') or the ones that continue calling themselves High Elves.

Also it's weird for you to point out that the tag for Alliance high elves will say void elf and yet completely never mention that Blood Elf rpers will face the same condition: their tag will always refer to them as a blood elf regardless of if they're RPing as a high elf.

Your commentary comes off as pedantic, especially when the developers themselves have said these new customizations coming in for Void Elves and Blood Elves are High Elf customization and that they may do more in the future in regards to the High Elf customization and the racial tag focused solely on Void Elves yet not Blood Elves.

[Rhlor]

I was saying that earlier, it is an rp element without the tag, same as you feel like you are a wildhammer dwarf.. then you are a wildhammer dwarf.

Idk depends on how you take it.. I mean obviously it isnt realy canon. People come up with the weirdest rp stories. Making every thing canon like that kinda takes the piss on the whole thing.

Its good thats its there and if you feel like a high elf as a void elf. You can rp as one. But the tag remains void elf. So you gotta tell people you are a high elf basically. That was the whole point of it all.

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Void elves can be high or blood elves.

Blood elves are high elves, but not all high elves are blood elves.

Thats it.

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Uhm somewhat. Its stated both blood and high elves can become void elves. Like I said before, not all blood elves are high elves.

But yea the 2 groups can both become void elves.

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Its more that high elves in wow were all represented with light hair and fair skin. It kinda went unnoticed and became the norm of what a high elf is.

But I agree why couldnt high elves have black hair? Just that wow created that fair elf look in bc and stick with it over the years.

I think the void elves should also have green eyes. The silvermoon scholar are part of the void elves.

[Tinniel]

I think the void elves should also have green eyes. The silvermoon scholar are part of the void elves.

Why the hell they should have green Fel eyes? And why they should got blue Arcane eyes from High Elves? What a hell you just speaking? Check about energies and their "communicating" with each other. Void hellElves couldn't have arcane-blue eyes and green Fel-eyes even more so.

[Rhlor]

Why the hell they should have green Fel eyes? And why they should got blue Arcane eyes from High Elves? What a hell you just speaking? Check about energies and their "communicating" with each other. Void hellElves couldn't have arcane-blue eyes and green Fel-eyes even more so.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Silvermoon_Scholar

[Varodoc]

Why the hell they should have green Fel eyes? And why they should got blue Arcane eyes from High Elves? What a hell you just speaking? Check about energies and their "communicating" with each other. Void hellElves couldn't have arcane-blue eyes and green Fel-eyes even more so.

Did you not visit Telogrus Rift in-game? There are several Sin'dorei scholars there. With the new customization options you can roleplay as one of the High elf scholars, so you should also be allowed to have green eyes so that you can play as a Sin'dorei scholar.

[Rhlor]

Did you not visit Telogrus Rift in-game? There are several Silvermoon scholars there. With the new customization options you can roleplay as one of the High elf scholars, so you should also be allowed to have green eyes so that you can play as a Silvermoon scholar.

the only eye colors that should not have are gold

[Tinniel]

Did you not visit Telogrus Rift in-game? There are several Silvermoon scholars there. With the new customization options you can roleplay as one of the High elf scholars, so you should also be allowed to have green eyes so that you can play as a Silvermoon scholar.

Sholars still be high or blood elves, because they aren't turning into void ugly creature like other Velves. ALL Velves got much deep blue eye color, and not light blue eye color like Quel'dorei. And I tired to ask that NOBODY wanna know and nobody will count your own RP-ideas and character, cause on official servers all play just for epic, grind and other visual cool things. Also, I can roleplay as a chad High Elf patriot and I can execute your character-sholar for ideals and traditions betraying. Don't you give a damn about this? Yep. Me too. Blizzard don't give a heck about roleplayers and your own dreams about "sholar-character". And main community wouldn't play any sholar, cultists, void engeniers roles cause they don't know about it or don't inetersting in this. So your arguments to "RP" are invalid.

[Varodoc]

Sholars still be high or blood elves, because they aren't turning into void ugly creature like other Velves. ALL Velves got much deep blue eye color, and not light blue eye color like Quel'dorei. And I tired to ask that NOBODY wanna know and nobody will count your own RP-ideas and character, cause on official servers all play just for epic, grind and other visual cool things. Also, I can roleplay as a chad High Elf patriot and I can execute your character-sholar for ideals and traditions betraying. Don't you give a damn about this? Yep. Me too. Blizzard don't give a heck about roleplayers and your own dreams about "sholar-character". And main community wouldn't play any sholar, cultists, void engeniers roles cause they don't know about it or don't inetersting in this. So your arguments to "RP" are invalid.

Blizzard doesn't give a shit about you either, yet that doesn't stop you from moaning on the forums about Void elves.

[Tinniel]

Blizzard doesn't give a shit about you either, yet that doesn't stop you from moaning on the forums about Void elves.

And I WILL, because I can. As I didn't give a damn about your foolish arguments for light skin-Void-elves, your traitor. Because of people like you, this whole situation with the high elves came to this idiocy and sad results, when we are given trash in a beautiful wrapper. Only people like you are happy and ask for more.

[Varodoc]

And I WILL, because I can. As I didn't give a damn about your foolish arguments for light skin-Void-elves, your traitor. Because of people like you, this whole situation with the high elves came to this idiocy and sad results, when we are given trash in a beautiful wrapper. Only people like you are happy and ask for more.

Likewise people can and will roleplay their Void elf toon as a High elf or Sin'dorei scholar studying the Void in Telogrus Rift.

Also, how am I a "traitor", again? Are you drunk? I already told you I never cared about High elves. As an Alleria fan, I advocated for fair-skin options for Void elves for 3 years, and I won .

[Xilurm]

And I WILL, because I can. As I didn't give a damn about your foolish arguments for light skin-Void-elves, your traitor. Because of people like you, this whole situation with the high elves came to this idiocy and sad results, when we are given trash in a beautiful wrapper. Only people like you are happy and ask for more.

If you're that upset you should probably take a break. Trust me, I did in WoD and it took me 4 years to come back and come in terms with the fact that Blizzard's storytelling isn't as good as I'd like it to be.

[Rhlor]

personal insults should not be allowed I hope they are mod

[DarkShinobi]

personal insults should not be allowed I hope they are mod

This is beyond personal insults already, I started to report.

[Tinniel]

If you're that upset you should probably take a break. Trust me, I did in WoD and it took me 4 years to come back and come in terms with the fact that Blizzard's storytelling isn't as good as I'd like it to be.

I am terrified how upset and angry. After such coughing in my face, as well as in the face of hundreds of other high elves who were waiting and asking - including those who remained faithful to the original idea of ​​high elves in this thread, I will express deep respect to them - I have nothing happy, but only hatred for Blizzard. And wild contempt for the "disguised" Judas and those who simply bent down, who first came running on the tumblr, Twitter and now this thread. They climb into someone else's thread - as a comrade above was, that for Alleria and Ren'dorei he drowns, but for the "high elves" he seems to be for and here he will overwrite the "correct" opinion. Normal people have started leaving Warcraft, and I also think I should leave. F*ck this Blizzard, not my money and respect for such a boorish and disgusting attitude.
This is for the high elves, for violating their own lore, another hacky retcon and piggy responses from Steve Danuser, from the now fired Jennifer and also from Jon Hazzikostas. So to speak, "thanks" to them for the spoiled hopes and love for the once beloved fantasy of childhood. :'(

[Varodoc]

I am terrified how upset and angry. After such coughing in my face, as well as in the face of hundreds of other high elves who were waiting and asking - including those who remained faithful to the original idea of ​​high elves in this thread, I will express deep respect to them - I have nothing happy, but only hatred for Blizzard. And wild contempt for the "disguised" Judas and those who simply bent down, who first came running on the tumblr, Twitter and now this thread. They climb into someone else's thread - as a comrade above was, that for Alleria and Ren'dorei he drowns, but for the "high elves" he seems to be for and here he will overwrite the "correct" opinion. Normal people have started leaving Warcraft, and I also think I should leave. F*ck this Blizzard, not my money and respect for such a boorish and disgusting attitude.
This is for the high elves, for violating their own lore, another hacky retcon and piggy responses from Steve Danuser, from the now fired Jennifer and also from Jon Hazzikostas. So to speak, "thanks" to them for the spoiled hopes and love for the once beloved fantasy of childhood. :'(

Very clearly people aren't leaving WoW because of Void elves, since they are one of the most played Alliance races by far and easily the most successful allied race (along with Zandalari trolls for Horde).

[Aucald]

The Ren'dorei are and have always been High elves, as they are Blood elves mutated by the Void, but the Blood elves are biologically High elves.

I also theorized in the past that the Ren'dorei are actually closer to the Highvale/Silver Covenant elves than the Blood elves, because their eyes are blue, not green. Thus I believe that the Void cleansed them of their Fel mutation (i.e. green eyes), making them biologically much closer to Vereesa and co. than the Blood elves of the Horde.

The Ren'dorei are former Blood Elves - Umbric and all of his people bear the Fel-tinted green eyes of Blood Elves prior to their transformation into Void Elves. The transformation into Void Elves wasn't a cleansing by any means, either; and the Void Elves are manifestly further from their High Elven roots than their Blood Elven peers are, given their near-complete transformation into Void beings. This not to say that High Elven exiles can't also become Void Elves (either now or at some future point), but it's not known if this can or has happened yet canonically.

Magister Umbric prior to transformation:


Click here for a larger image better showcasing his eye color.

[Varodoc]

The Ren'dorei are former Blood Elves - Umbric and all of his people bear the Fel-tinted green eyes of Blood Elves prior to their transformation into Void Elves. The transformation into Void Elves wasn't a cleansing by any means, either; and the Void Elves are manifestly further from their High Elven roots than their Blood Elven peers are, given their near-complete transformation into Void beings. This not to say that High Elven exiles can't also become Void Elves (either now or at some future point), but it's not known if this can or has happened yet canonically.

Magister Umbric prior to transformation:


Click here for a larger image better showcasing his eye color.

I'm talking after the transformation, their green eyes are changed to an azure color, and all traces of Fel magic are removed.

[Aucald]

I'm talking after the transformation, their green eyes are changed to an azure color, and all traces of Fel magic are removed.

I don't really know about that, per se. It's hard telling if a second transformative process overwrites an existing one or more or less overlays it, so to speak. I tend to lean more toward the latter, and I doubt that the Void Elves have had all traces of Fel magic removed, although I'd say the distinction is rather meaningless in light of the changes done to them. The glow of their eyes is simply more reflective of their new natures, and has no real bearing on either their former status as High Elves nor their status as Blood Elves - similar to becoming a Death Knight. It's not the same glow as a High Elf, after all.