I actually agree with this; things would be so much easier to understand if the "Modern High Elves" changed their name to anything else -IDK Silver Elves? anything would be clearer.
Cause again, it's simply an issue of self-denomination at this point, and unlike real life where there's little incentive to make sense from a narrative perspective, this is a constructed world, and the whole discussion would be far more streamlined if we could simply say:
"High Elves split into two groups; Blood Elves in the majority and Silver Elves in the minority. The former exists predominantly on the Horde, while the latter does so on the Alliance and Dalaran"
And I do believe wholeheartedly we would have faaar les cyclical arguments if this were true, but I also think things would go on a lot smoother if some people just accepted that the modern usage of High Elf is distinct from its pre Third-War incarnation, and I don't get the insistence of willingly obfuscating the issue.
-And like I get there will be some people saying "High Elves are the true High Elves because of the name" but I think everyone that actually cares about the nuance know that's just not accurate. Won't deny that's an easy branding to position a group as the true inheritors regardless, so we are back to it being far more simple if Modern High Elves changed their name to something else-
I just chalk that up to either a desire to try and upset those on the pro-side or a desire to fan the flames between the pro's and anti's to troll the whole lot.I don't get the insistence of willingly obfuscating the issue.
He literally said they are different(ergo a subrace), you are distorting what he said to fit your point, and that is not my concern indeed, we can end here
those things were suggest before, but they die shortly, i think there was also something about highvale elves, storm elves, light elves, wood elves, shit, there was a plethora of names, silver elves would be dope, but people are too much dead on on the name itself and the crusade(both sides) and they don't want to let the bone go, like i seeing before, letting the name go would mean "defeat" for then.
there is some problems with this "acceptance", some people dislike things like "modern usage" because it hijack meanings making then to be different, cause, what is the name of the race then? they stop being the race, because its now used for a selective group? more confusion happens, since not everyone know that much elf lore it causes the same chaos it is now, it feels they are being robbed for their own race.but I also think things would go on a lot smoother if some people just accepted that the modern usage of High Elf is distinct from its pre Third-War incarnation, and I don't get the insistence of willingly obfuscating the issue.
In short, the problem is how the term still is used to define the race itself to this very day, becausein fac, is what it is, not just the alliance group, thats why a name change for their group would be way better, even for the identify problem, when they label themselves as high elves it gives the impression of the race itself, not just the alliance group, that include the elves of second war and before, when the alliance elves we have today, like you said, are far more different than that in ideology and politic, they did not retain more of the "high elf traits" than the blood elves to "deserve" the name more
the high elf race, splitting in the blood elf an silver elf group would just end the entire debate, and we would not even need void elves at all
And not everyone cares about those nuances, thats why is so hard to come to a close end.-And like I get there will be some people saying "High Elves are the true High Elves because of the name" but I think everyone that actually cares about the nuance know that's just not accurate. Won't deny that's an easy branding to position a group as the true inheritors regardless, so we are back to it being far more simple if Modern High Elves changed their name to something else-
To me, by now they should completely erase the high elf name form the game and make the alliance elves undergo the transformation in void elves, now they have the look, they can just say the ritual is more controlled, the side effects are minor and you get the power/racials. Things can end there and we will have blood elf x void elf now in the future
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But that would mean Blood Elves are High Elves too. Aren't Void Elves just a group of Blood Elves that got banished for researching void magic?
Edit: Thing is though... In Telogrus Rift, you see both Blood Elves and High Elves there, probably willing to dabble in and research void magic. So technically, your character can be either of them.
Edit 2: The only thing that's forced upon you is having to side with the Alliance, probably because both of your leaders are Alliance.
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Yup Blood Elves are High Elves too. Now if you want to talk about the group that still calls themselves "High Elves", you can find some of them in Telogrus like you said.
So while the initial group of Void Elves were originally just Blood Elves that got caught in a trap, the new recruits are implied to be a mix of both Silvermoon Scholars who've defected from the Horde, and High Elf Wayfarers coming in from Stormwind (you see them arrive from the Stormwind portal), which makes Void Elves both High Elves in the sense of being of Thalassian ancestry, and also in the sense that they may be (depending on your own personal story/RP) one of the High Elves who chose exile from Silvermoon and stayed with the Alliance. And you can also go full on void options and choose being part of Umbric's original group that got zapped as your origin! Ain't options grand?
Seems to make sense to me.
First Void Elf is Alleria... she mastered the Void through edumacation + absorbing power from void beings
Umbric's batch were next... got caught in prince Durzaan's trap that was supposed to turn them into Void Ethereals but it got interrupted before completion. They got void-ified. Alleria takes them under her wing
New recruits in the form of Silvermoon Scholars and High Elf Wayfarers start showing up to take void 101 classes from Alleria and Locus Walker. Which makes for a nice clean in-game explanation as to why they might not look like Umbric's void-ified group.
Obviously it would be nice if Blizzard added some lore stuff in-game to actually tell us all that, but the implications are there.
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I'm pretty sure going forward they will sprinkle in more High Elf NPCs here and there. They've already said they're going to diversify some of the existing rando non-descript NPCs (ones just called like "Stormwind Citizen" or w/e) and when Blood Elves got their Golden Eyes then Blizzard added it onto some Priest/Paladin NPCs to reflect the new option. Just like how there's a few Night Warrior Night Elves post Tyrande succession.
I think like many things, people gotta give it time. This is the biggest customization overhaul the game's ever had and Blizzard is looking to port it into their NPCs as well. It'll be a huge show of diversity!!
This is another place where there was a race, High Elves, in the game which hadn't really been represented on player characters. Blood Elves were the closest, but had felt green eyes. It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out. We did have a lot of discussion about it, ultimately we might do more in the future, but for now we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available.
Ely Cannon, Art Director for World of Warcraft
https://es.wowhead.com/news=316803/s...-customization
Blizzard was pretty incosistent on this matter, Ion himself stating blue eyes for blood elves does not make sense just one month before this announcement. It shows they most likely had some internal talks on this matter and decided to please both factions.
Alliance was asking for high elves or high elf customizations for void elves for years.
Some blood elf fans were asking for blue eyes. My personal impression was that most of these people just wanted to trigger high elf crowd with constant repeating of "blood elves are true high elves".
It seems Blizzard finaly decided to end this fight and give all factions what they were asking for. Alliance got their doorway to high elves and blood elves got blue eyes. It was also pretty funny to watch these people who were asking for blue eyes on blood elves to be disappointed they didn't get more and instead of constructive feedback, they just complained in a style "BUT VOID ELVES TOOK OUR SKINZ" or "BUT NIGHT ELVES GOT LEAVEZ IN THE HAIR... BLIZZ WE NEED TO BE PRETTIEST ELVEZ!!!". I thought the original intention was to give void elves skin tones from blood elves to finaly provide high elf fantasy on the Alliance (which was hinted on in the past regarding void elves), and to give blood elves something in return, they got blue eye option with a RP possibility "I'm a high elf", which does not really make that big difference, since blood elves somewhat filled this fantasy already.
In the end, with new customizations added to SL so far, almost everybody got what they asked for, but there is still place for more features on many races. I only hope people who complained about lack of distinctive options for blood elves will realize it's not void elves or night elves fault blood elves got so little. It's up to blood elf fans to tell Blizzard what they want.
Its the most common thing about high elves what I said. Nothing is new or strange in that regard. What are you on about? You make alot of assumptions in one post my god.
Anyway... erm
It should be obvious the same can be said about blood elves with the high elf tag and yea this was an rp element... always was the intention. On the high elf look, Blizzard kinda created this in bc with the blood elf model having blue eyes. Thus creating the wow high elf. I called it the true high elf or iconic high elf look because it is..surw you can have black hair or what ever.. I never said you cant. But when players see a blood elf with blue eyes prior shadowlands, they would be: oo hi its a high elf. Thats why.
You make this confusing.. Everything I said was said before either in a blue post or common sense.
If you feel like a high elf.. you are free to do so.. never said it wasnt. Yea you are still a void or blood elf in the end. It feels more like you reaching or trying something. I cant make much out of your post or why you quoted me for.
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the point is that if you play with those customizations according to blizz you are a high elf, just as you can be a sand troll or a wildhammer. you choose where you want your high elf to align
scars and tattoos are customizations blood elves players have been asking for for years! rommath has tattoos and lorthemar scar is normal that the players also like them.It is very obvious and more in the male options that the blood elves received less than other races
Give Blood Elves more customizations, like more beard, scars, tattoo options etc. Give Void Elves some new hairstyles / colors (they don't have to copy paste em from the Blood Elves this time) and some blue tattoos like Alleria to please the High Elven fans, and purple for the pure Void Elves fans out there. End of story, almost everyone save a few people are gonna be happy.
I guess its because of the heated discussion or hated thread this has become over the years and I think blizz just noticed and added the blue eyes to both races, thus making that choice were they belong to the players.
I mean I am not here to discuss where they belong. But the change kinda stopped the discussion which I though was a good choice. Idk about that in current lore.. they feel more like a kirin tor thing these days and now obviously they are repreaented on both sides. Thats why that discussion is dead.
I understand you feel this way.. but shadowlands made it so they are on both sides.. so no point in discussing why thry should be alliance with warcraft 2 to silver covenant arguments. Its done.
I dissagree on your point that lore is unaffected. Its a pretty sensitive subject as you probably know. So my guess they will just leave the high elves in the middle like they did for years. Over the years more and more places were high elves lived.. have all become wretched or worse. I always took that of a sign. But now things have changed to let players decide were they feel like they should belong. Remember your opinion on where they belong is only an opinion and lore moves forward right?
Its just a highly requested option for the alliance. Giving to both was the only option.. in the end.
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You could say that.. I think many will dissagree.
There are currenrtly 2 people here having exact this discussion.
Last edited by Alanar; 2020-10-07 at 01:34 PM.
Thanks for linking this. Players can choose to rp as one.. and are free to do so. You are still a void/blood elf tho.
Sute danuser said its canon, but in reality you are still a void or blood elf for most players with differnt eye color.
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Quoted the entire post with a picture that points out void elves used to be blood elves? I already told you that lol.
Void elves are either blood or high elves.
Last edited by Alanar; 2020-10-07 at 01:42 PM.