Is it that hard to understand that not because a Blood Elf can get blue eyes they are now a High Elf? This is my issue with your argument, it's completely aesthetically surface.
I think people would be overjoyed to have blue eyes on the Horde as they claimed they wanted, but to keep saying "Now the horde has high elves" feels disingenuous to that point.
Blood Elves are as much High Elves as they were before getting blue eyes, unless we -in the lore- get a Horde group of self-denominational High Elves, things remain pretty much the same, with the groups that actually refer to themselves as High Elves being either on the alliance (Silver Covenant and scattered around the Alliance) or neutral (Dalaran)
But honestly, if all you are focusing is on the blue eyes as a litmus test to what a High Elf is, sure, go ahead. If aesthetics are all you are concerned about, that's no issue of mine and you do you.
There it says that it adds the high elves as a race! and that everyone can choose where they want their high elf (race) to align. if you play a blood elf with high elf customization you are a high elf and if you play a void elf with high elf customization you are a high elf.
Some people simply will not settle for anything less than the Silver Covenant High Elves being made playable, despite being a footnote in the lore with no future.
That's what they've worked themselves up to want over a decade of whining for playable High Elves and Void Elves (despite adding novel characteristics) hurts their precious sense of bizarre virtual racial purity.
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
I make Warcraft 3 Reforged HD custom models and I'm also an HD model reviewer.
What’s hilarious to me, is that now that it’s good for them, the prohelfers are super happy with what devs say and use it as law. Makes me smile.
”I've walked the realms of the dead. I have seen the infinite dark. Nothing you say. Or do. Could possibly frighten me."-Sylvanas Windrunner
You mean like the Void Elves? My dude, we just had a whole fucking void patch and the two (yes, TWO) whole void elves anyone cares about were barely in it. In a false alternate future that holds no meaning whatsoever.
Don't be mad that the people hated on your diaper cyborgs. We have spoken.
OMG 13:37 - Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Cleave unto me, and I shall grant to thee the blessing of eternal salvation."
And His disciples said unto Him, "Can we get Kings instead?"
It is used for that, we understand the context, but it also used for the race, and blizzard don't want to drop that, if they did, it would be way more easy to make the distinction, but still lies th problem of in that way, blood elf would not be the high elf, despite being. It all gets messy and no one would wan to feel robbed by
isn't thallasian just another name for high elf, like quel'dorei? i still think its better for the ones in the alliance change their names, because thematically, they do not retain the traits of the high elf of old, high elf by now should be a defunct term since no elf alive today live like then, every one by now have some sort of fundamental difference, and by irony or no, the ones who most resemble then are from blood elves. The highvale elvs xample you gave is a good example of this, they have nothing to do with the high elves of the second war anymore, why they should be called high elves, and not highvale elves?Personally, I like to use the term "Thalassian" when referring to the race + derivatives as a whole as well, because that way you bypass the whole High Elf issue and refer to every group of post-exile Highborne (VE,HE,BE)
i don't think just calling then elves work, because night elves are over there too, it would goes against normal nomenclature of species, the same problem of trolls, thy never are "just trolls"So honestly, for clarity's sake, and understanding that the name from our perspective only serves a purpose, I REALLY wish they changed it. Honestly if it came to actually just dropping the High and just referring to themselves as "elves" would be enough; that way we would simply add origin to any specific group -Like say, Silver Covenant Elves or Dalarani Elves-
But is indeed just things blizzard will never "fix" in their lore, despite being so healthy for the game
You seem to not understand me or its flying over your head. I mean I already told you why and what. I keep repeating myself and you started quoting me for what? To tell me its not about the aesthetics? Well its all about that in the end. Its about costumization. We never had a discussion about alliance or horde, because I already told you that discussion is dead now since both sides have high elf options.
Honestly.. because you clearly dont understand what I mean with the past look high elves had and what people wanted from high elves. This thread was for a long time about the blue eyes because guess what.. that was the only difference between the two lookwise. Now that, that is changed with void elves having blue eyes with for example black hair.. yea I get it.
Doesnt take away the fact that players have been crying over light hair, blue eyes look for years. I was refering to that particular look as the look people know and wanted. You are able to look like one and identify as one.. and you are on the horde or the alliance. Your choice.. but..If you feel like a kirin tor elf or silver covenant elf.. no one cares because thats just the rp part of it for yourself only.
Now you claim you dont care about that. Then what is? A high elf tag? Not understanding you look like a high elf, but your are still a void or blood elf in the tag?
You dont need to explain to me that both blood elves and void elves have options NOW to look like one and imo blood elves look and feel like the real deal and void elves not so much to come back to my innitial point.
But I pass for repeating myself over and over again dude.
Try reading a post before quoting.. I mean most of the stuff you keep saying I already said.
- - - Updated - - -
This is kinda true. They should be happy they are able to rp as one on both factions.
That discussion is dead choc and happy so.
Last edited by Alanar; 2020-10-08 at 09:21 AM.
How ironic. Ignore if you wish, wouldn't be the end of my world.
- - - Updated - - -
And he's saying the defenders at the time, likewise did the same thing you're accusing one group of doing now. If both groups are supposedly doing something (I personally disagree but that's a different topic I don't wanna get into) then there's not really any significance to point it out only on one side.
Yet most of those who opposed Alliance getting High Elf customization appear to do that very often -> accuse High Elf fans of doing certain things and not even acknowledging it happened with Blood Elf fans as well.
I stood by what the devs said back then (for example, I agreed that "the Horde is waiting for you" if you wanted to play a blonde light skinned elf), but have accepted the devs change of view on the matter. I do hope that some distinction remains between blood elves and void elves, namely that void elves retain dark/cool hair colors (so as to not just be a copy pasta of blood elves), but at the end of the day if they choose to give them natural hair colors then it is what it is and I'll be fine.
Many pro helfers however were vehemently against what the devs said back then (because it opposed their opinions), and now they hold the devs words as gospel now that it suits their agenda. /shrug. Many hypocrites among that community.
Blood elves are our high elves - Chris Metzen