Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Lumineus]

despite being a footnote in the lore with no future

You mean like the Void Elves? My dude, we just had a whole fucking void patch and the two (yes, TWO) whole void elves anyone cares about were barely in it. In a false alternate future that holds no meaning whatsoever.

Don't be mad that the people hated on your diaper cyborgs. We have spoken.

[Syegfryed]

High Elf means both things, but we gotta learn to contextualize, so honestly the best choice would be to simply clarify within each context, because as much as you don't like the modern usage of the term, it's the only canonical way we have to them as entities. So the best I've got so far is Pre-Third War High Elves, and Modern High Elves. If they share the name, we gotta make a distinction.

It is used for that, we understand the context, but it also used for the race, and blizzard don't want to drop that, if they did, it would be way more easy to make the distinction, but still lies th problem of in that way, blood elf would not be the high elf, despite being. It all gets messy and no one would wan to feel robbed by

Personally, I like to use the term "Thalassian" when referring to the race + derivatives as a whole as well, because that way you bypass the whole High Elf issue and refer to every group of post-exile Highborne (VE,HE,BE)

isn't thallasian just another name for high elf, like quel'dorei? i still think its better for the ones in the alliance change their names, because thematically, they do not retain the traits of the high elf of old, high elf by now should be a defunct term since no elf alive today live like then, every one by now have some sort of fundamental difference, and by irony or no, the ones who most resemble then are from blood elves. The highvale elvs xample you gave is a good example of this, they have nothing to do with the high elves of the second war anymore, why they should be called high elves, and not highvale elves?

So honestly, for clarity's sake, and understanding that the name from our perspective only serves a purpose, I REALLY wish they changed it. Honestly if it came to actually just dropping the High and just referring to themselves as "elves" would be enough; that way we would simply add origin to any specific group -Like say, Silver Covenant Elves or Dalarani Elves-

i don't think just calling then elves work, because night elves are over there too, it would goes against normal nomenclature of species, the same problem of trolls, thy never are "just trolls"

But is indeed just things blizzard will never "fix" in their lore, despite being so healthy for the game

[FossilFree]

What’s hilarious to me, is that now that it’s good for them, the prohelfers are super happy with what devs say and use it as law. Makes me smile.

That can go both ways. People that used to be so super happy with what the devs say and use it as law (remember, "The Horde is waiting for you"?) who now hate the word of the devs since they no longer hold that view.

[Phaelia]

That can go both ways. People that used to be so super happy with what the devs say and use it as law (remember, "The Horde is waiting for you"?) who now hate the word of the devs since they no longer hold that view.

That’s what I mean though. I’m not disputing anything the devs are saying but they fought it tooth and nail back then. :shrug:

[Alanar]

Is it that hard to understand that not because a Blood Elf can get blue eyes they are now a High Elf? This is my issue with your argument, it's completely aesthetically surface.

I think people would be overjoyed to have blue eyes on the Horde as they claimed they wanted, but to keep saying "Now the horde has high elves" feels disingenuous to that point.

Blood Elves are as much High Elves as they were before getting blue eyes, unless we -in the lore- get a Horde group of self-denominational High Elves, things remain pretty much the same, with the groups that actually refer to themselves as High Elves being either on the alliance (Silver Covenant and scattered around the Alliance) or neutral (Dalaran)

But honestly, if all you are focusing is on the blue eyes as a litmus test to what a High Elf is, sure, go ahead. If aesthetics are all you are concerned about, that's no issue of mine and you do you.

You seem to not understand me or its flying over your head. I mean I already told you why and what. I keep repeating myself and you started quoting me for what? To tell me its not about the aesthetics? Well its all about that in the end. Its about costumization. We never had a discussion about alliance or horde, because I already told you that discussion is dead now since both sides have high elf options.
Honestly.. because you clearly dont understand what I mean with the past look high elves had and what people wanted from high elves. This thread was for a long time about the blue eyes because guess what.. that was the only difference between the two lookwise. Now that, that is changed with void elves having blue eyes with for example black hair.. yea I get it.

Doesnt take away the fact that players have been crying over light hair, blue eyes look for years. I was refering to that particular look as the look people know and wanted. You are able to look like one and identify as one.. and you are on the horde or the alliance. Your choice.. but..If you feel like a kirin tor elf or silver covenant elf.. no one cares because thats just the rp part of it for yourself only.

Now you claim you dont care about that. Then what is? A high elf tag? Not understanding you look like a high elf, but your are still a void or blood elf in the tag?

You dont need to explain to me that both blood elves and void elves have options NOW to look like one and imo blood elves look and feel like the real deal and void elves not so much to come back to my innitial point.

But I pass for repeating myself over and over again dude.
Try reading a post before quoting.. I mean most of the stuff you keep saying I already said.

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Some people simply will not settle for anything less than the Silver Covenant High Elves being made playable, despite being a footnote in the lore with no future.

That's what they've worked themselves up to want over a decade of whining for playable High Elves and Void Elves (despite adding novel characteristics) hurts their precious sense of bizarre virtual racial purity.

This is kinda true. They should be happy they are able to rp as one on both factions.

That discussion is dead choc and happy so.

[FlubberPuddy]

You are essentially not saying anything. Which is feat on itself.

If not, next time I will find my way to the ignore button, so anything else sir?

How ironic. Ignore if you wish, wouldn't be the end of my world.

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That’s what I mean though. I’m not disputing anything the devs are saying but they fought it tooth and nail back then. :shrug:

And he's saying the defenders at the time, likewise did the same thing you're accusing one group of doing now. If both groups are supposedly doing something (I personally disagree but that's a different topic I don't wanna get into) then there's not really any significance to point it out only on one side.

Yet most of those who opposed Alliance getting High Elf customization appear to do that very often -> accuse High Elf fans of doing certain things and not even acknowledging it happened with Blood Elf fans as well.

[Strippling]

That’s what I mean though. I’m not disputing anything the devs are saying but they fought it tooth and nail back then. :shrug:

I stood by what the devs said back then (for example, I agreed that "the Horde is waiting for you" if you wanted to play a blonde light skinned elf), but have accepted the devs change of view on the matter. I do hope that some distinction remains between blood elves and void elves, namely that void elves retain dark/cool hair colors (so as to not just be a copy pasta of blood elves), but at the end of the day if they choose to give them natural hair colors then it is what it is and I'll be fine.

Many pro helfers however were vehemently against what the devs said back then (because it opposed their opinions), and now they hold the devs words as gospel now that it suits their agenda. /shrug. Many hypocrites among that community.

[Alanar]

How ironic. Ignore if you wish, wouldn't be the end

Haha got no argument I see as expected. Just an attention seeker. Who knew!!

You are more then welcome on the list buddy.

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What’s hilarious to me, is that now that it’s good for them, the prohelfers are super happy with what devs say and use it as law. Makes me smile.

Ikr, its quite funny. There is a word for it and its called hypocrite

[Ardenaso]

I was just thinking about that. It makes sense. You could just RP as a Blood Elf that wanted to join the Alliance but couldn't since everytime they tried it was thwarted and Alleria was the perfect chance.

there's two in WoD

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Azara_Goldenwing
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rovan_Astalan

[Vaedan]

there's two in WoD

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Azara_Goldenwing
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rovan_Astalan

They are high elves according to links you posted. Unfortunately, we know nothing of their history.

[delus]

I stood by what the devs said back then (for example, I agreed that "the Horde is waiting for you" if you wanted to play a blonde light skinned elf), but have accepted the devs change of view on the matter. I do hope that some distinction remains between blood elves and void elves, namely that void elves retain dark/cool hair colors (so as to not just be a copy pasta of blood elves), but at the end of the day if they choose to give them natural hair colors then it is what it is and I'll be fine.

Many pro helfers however were vehemently against what the devs said back then (because it opposed their opinions), and now they hold the devs words as gospel now that it suits their agenda. /shrug. Many hypocrites among that community.

Can you really make that distinction when blood elves have dark/cool hair colors themselves? Blood elves have access to black and blue shades.

[Ardenaso]

They are high elves according to links you posted. Unfortunately, we know nothing of their history.

I assume they remained loyal to Silvermoon on the schism and they eventually had their eyes green due to fel exposure from the crystals then they returned to the Alliance sometime after the Sunwell was restored

[Vaedan]

Can you really make that distinction when blood elves have dark/cool hair colors themselves? Blood elves have access to black and blue shades.

I believe all other races have now access to white and black hair option, with only exception being void elves (both colors), tauren (white hair), LF draenei (black hair). Void elves getting white and black hair would not be an issue at all, these colors are not really unique to blood elves.

Also blood elves getting blue hair from DK to base colors palette makes the difference between the two even smaller.

[FlubberPuddy]

Haha got no argument I see as expected. Just an attention seeker. Who knew!!

You are more then welcome on the list buddy.

This comment is a big yikes and shows what I was saying was true, some people just love to hear themselves 'talk' so to speak. Thanks for doing me a favor and putting me on ignore.

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I believe all other races have now access to white and black hair option, with only exception being void elves (both colors), tauren (white hair), LF draenei (black hair). Void elves getting white and black hair would not be an issue at all, these colors are not really unique to blood elves.

Also blood elves getting blue hair from DK to base colors palette makes the difference between the two even smaller.

Not simply black/white, many races have access to hair colors similar to those of Blood Elves (blondes/reds/browns). Anyone trying to say that Void Elves shouldn't get those colors which are on many many races are just trying to put another petty and weak gate for High Elf fans on Alliance side.

[Alanar]

This comment is a big yikes and shows what I was saying was true, some people just love to hear themselves 'talk' so to speak. Thanks for doing me a favor and putting me on ignore.

You do know you make a big joke out of yourself? You trying to be the smart guy here, but you forget you have no arguments like at all. I tried to find any.. you just trying to be hatefull because you lost the discussion I guess. Even now you still never responded or had any usefull input. Its sad.

The yikes should be my response here..

Just BE the smart guy and stop quoting me.

[Vaedan]

Not simply black/white, many races have access to hair colors similar to those of Blood Elves (blondes/reds/browns). Anyone trying to say that Void Elves shouldn't get those colors which are on many many races are just trying to put another petty and weak gate for High Elf fans on Alliance side.

Exactly. Hair color is pretty weak defining point. Hair styles and other features like jewellery, piercings, scars, tattoos or special anatomy like horns, tentacles, hooves should be used to make races unique.

[Varodoc]

Reminder that the fashion of Quel'thalas doesn't change if you get corrupted by the Void, which means that all pieces of jewelry that the Blood elves have should also be available to the Void elves. Since, you know, they are former Blood elves from Quel'thalas.

[delus]

Reminder that the fashion of Quel'thalas doesn't change if you get corrupted by the Void, which means that all pieces of jewelry that the Blood elves have should also be available to the Void elves. Since, you know, they are former Blood elves from Quel'thalas.

Really, I think jewelry should not be a character customization and should be transmog. At least in the case of necklaces since they are equipable items. I think the armbands should be made into bracer mogs as well.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

is what the developers say! that the customizations represent races: high elf or sand trolls for example. high elves are a race for blizzard! that's the difference between you and me, that you talk about one thing and I say what the devs say!

Nah mate, the point is that you don't have reading comprehension. That we have "a few high elf customizations available" doesn't meant blue eyed blood elves refer to themselves as High Elves within the universe. If you are unable to sepárate the aesthetics from the lore, this argument is pointless.

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It is used for that, we understand the context, but it also used for the race, and blizzard don't want to drop that, if they did, it would be way more easy to make the distinction, but still lies th problem of in that way, blood elf would not be the high elf, despite being. It all gets messy and no one would wan to feel robbed by


isn't thallasian just another name for high elf, like quel'dorei? i still think its better for the ones in the alliance change their names, because thematically, they do not retain the traits of the high elf of old, high elf by now should be a defunct term since no elf alive today live like then, every one by now have some sort of fundamental difference, and by irony or no, the ones who most resemble then are from blood elves. The highvale elvs xample you gave is a good example of this, they have nothing to do with the high elves of the second war anymore, why they should be called high elves, and not highvale elves?

Again, I agree on the "should"-Modern High Elves should change their name to something else- not much more to say that beyond that, the point is that we have to deal with the reality as it is now, and in that manner is that I believe that "Thalassian" is a good way to refer to all the elves of thalassian origin, regardless of any political or biological differences -because it also includes void elves, and illidari elves- But yeah, overall it's an aside point to refer to elfdom of Quel'thalas as a whole.

i don't think just calling then elves work, because night elves are over there too, it would goes against normal nomenclature of species, the same problem of trolls, thy never are "just trolls"

But is indeed just things blizzard will never "fix" in their lore, despite being so healthy for the game

I mean that's the point, that every prefix denotes origin; as I said, if High Elves dropped the "High", it would be replaced from the place/group they originate/come from now. Dalaran High Elves become "Dalarani Elves" like the Quel'danil HE's became "Highvale Elves", and the remaining HE's on the alliance could change their name to anything, more so if they band together politically.

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You seem to not understand me or its flying over your head. I mean I already told you why and what. I keep repeating myself and you started quoting me for what? To tell me its not about the aesthetics? Well its all about that in the end. Its about costumization. We never had a discussion about alliance or horde, because I already told you that discussion is dead now since both sides have high elf options.

And here lies your issue, you deem the discussion over, because to you is simply about aesthetics; you don't get to make a fuzz when I tell you that aesthetics is just one issue about High Elves; You keep making it just about the aesthetics to end the conversation "they both look like high elves now", great, what does that have to do with the lore about the elves that still call themselves High Elves and are either alliance or neutral?

Cause again, "lorewise" a Void Elf is also still a Void Elf -we don't even have solid confirmation that Void Elves have been recruiting High Elves in their ranks to specifically give them an alliance high Elf origin"; the whole point why "HE customization on VE's" has value on the first place for HE fans because we get aesthetics closer to the high elven groups already on the alliance, such as the highvale, silver covenant and others.

But as long as you keep pretending that aesthetics is the only thing that matters -and has mattered- in the high elf discussion for the last 1k pages, just reveals how much you miss the point of what people really want and are asking for.

That discussion is dead choc and happy so.

Case in point. Not because you want the conversation to be over it will be over. Accept that and move on with your life.

Because after the aesthetics issue is settled, then we will be probably talking about what's next for the Alliance High Elves; change their name? merge with Void Elves? merge with humans and give us Half Elves?

Dude, the discussion about high elves will never be over, because people like to talk about high elves.

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there's two in WoD

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Azara_Goldenwing
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rovan_Astalan

That's one thing that really bothers me, there's no way to know choices like these are bugs or intended.

They could be Blood Elves that remained on the Kirin Tor after the purge -but why do they have HE voicesets?-

They could be High Elves that got green eyes sometime -did they went to QT for a time? no way to know-

Are they just bugged and should have blue eyes like others HE NPC's with that voiceset? -maybe-

The problem is that they lack consistence with any other depictions, and without more info, it's all to speculation.

I think their green eyes are just bugs, but that's also part of my bias; it's as likely they are BE's that stayed in the Kirin Tor, like Magister Krelas, and it's their voice-sets which are bugged.

Maybe it's Occam's razor and the former is the more simple answer that requires less context, but again, could be my bias.

[Strippling]

Can you really make that distinction when blood elves have dark/cool hair colors themselves? Blood elves have access to black and blue shades.

They do not have access to void elf skin colors though. Void elves have access to all the blood elf skin colors plus their own voidy colors, so it's fair that blood elves have access to more natural hair colors plus dark/cool hair colors. imo

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Reminder that the fashion of Quel'thalas doesn't change if you get corrupted by the Void, which means that all pieces of jewelry that the Blood elves have should also be available to the Void elves. Since, you know, they are former Blood elves from Quel'thalas.

Then explain to me why the void elf heritage armor is different to the blood elf heritage armor? According to your logic it should be the same (cause fashion shouldn't change) but with void coloring... alas it is not, and is actually quite different. Guess fashion of Quel'thalas does and can change when you become a void elf, as is apparent in their heritage armor. As such, I'd expect any jewellery void elves may get in the future to be different to the blood elves. I'm sure some of the jewellery may be similar, but things like the phoenix necklace should be restricted to blood elves only, as a phoenix would make no sense for void elves.

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You do know you make a big joke out of yourself? You trying to be the smart guy here, but you forget you have no arguments like at all. I tried to find any.. you just trying to be hatefull because you lost the discussion I guess. Even now you still never responded or had any usefull input. Its sad.

The yikes should be my response here..

Just BE the smart guy and stop quoting me.

I wouldn't bother with Geisl, he's one of the more toxic pro helfers you'll come across.