Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Alanar]

How ironic. Ignore if you wish, wouldn't be the end

Haha got no argument I see as expected. Just an attention seeker. Who knew!!

You are more then welcome on the list buddy.

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What’s hilarious to me, is that now that it’s good for them, the prohelfers are super happy with what devs say and use it as law. Makes me smile.

Ikr, its quite funny. There is a word for it and its called hypocrite

[Ardenaso]

I was just thinking about that. It makes sense. You could just RP as a Blood Elf that wanted to join the Alliance but couldn't since everytime they tried it was thwarted and Alleria was the perfect chance.

there's two in WoD

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Azara_Goldenwing
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rovan_Astalan

[Vaedan]

there's two in WoD

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Azara_Goldenwing
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rovan_Astalan

They are high elves according to links you posted. Unfortunately, we know nothing of their history.

[delus]

I stood by what the devs said back then (for example, I agreed that "the Horde is waiting for you" if you wanted to play a blonde light skinned elf), but have accepted the devs change of view on the matter. I do hope that some distinction remains between blood elves and void elves, namely that void elves retain dark/cool hair colors (so as to not just be a copy pasta of blood elves), but at the end of the day if they choose to give them natural hair colors then it is what it is and I'll be fine.

Many pro helfers however were vehemently against what the devs said back then (because it opposed their opinions), and now they hold the devs words as gospel now that it suits their agenda. /shrug. Many hypocrites among that community.

Can you really make that distinction when blood elves have dark/cool hair colors themselves? Blood elves have access to black and blue shades.

[Ardenaso]

They are high elves according to links you posted. Unfortunately, we know nothing of their history.

I assume they remained loyal to Silvermoon on the schism and they eventually had their eyes green due to fel exposure from the crystals then they returned to the Alliance sometime after the Sunwell was restored

[Vaedan]

Can you really make that distinction when blood elves have dark/cool hair colors themselves? Blood elves have access to black and blue shades.

I believe all other races have now access to white and black hair option, with only exception being void elves (both colors), tauren (white hair), LF draenei (black hair). Void elves getting white and black hair would not be an issue at all, these colors are not really unique to blood elves.

Also blood elves getting blue hair from DK to base colors palette makes the difference between the two even smaller.

[FlubberPuddy]

Haha got no argument I see as expected. Just an attention seeker. Who knew!!

You are more then welcome on the list buddy.

This comment is a big yikes and shows what I was saying was true, some people just love to hear themselves 'talk' so to speak. Thanks for doing me a favor and putting me on ignore.

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I believe all other races have now access to white and black hair option, with only exception being void elves (both colors), tauren (white hair), LF draenei (black hair). Void elves getting white and black hair would not be an issue at all, these colors are not really unique to blood elves.

Also blood elves getting blue hair from DK to base colors palette makes the difference between the two even smaller.

Not simply black/white, many races have access to hair colors similar to those of Blood Elves (blondes/reds/browns). Anyone trying to say that Void Elves shouldn't get those colors which are on many many races are just trying to put another petty and weak gate for High Elf fans on Alliance side.

[Alanar]

This comment is a big yikes and shows what I was saying was true, some people just love to hear themselves 'talk' so to speak. Thanks for doing me a favor and putting me on ignore.

You do know you make a big joke out of yourself? You trying to be the smart guy here, but you forget you have no arguments like at all. I tried to find any.. you just trying to be hatefull because you lost the discussion I guess. Even now you still never responded or had any usefull input. Its sad.

The yikes should be my response here..

Just BE the smart guy and stop quoting me.

[Vaedan]

Not simply black/white, many races have access to hair colors similar to those of Blood Elves (blondes/reds/browns). Anyone trying to say that Void Elves shouldn't get those colors which are on many many races are just trying to put another petty and weak gate for High Elf fans on Alliance side.

Exactly. Hair color is pretty weak defining point. Hair styles and other features like jewellery, piercings, scars, tattoos or special anatomy like horns, tentacles, hooves should be used to make races unique.

[Varodoc]

Reminder that the fashion of Quel'thalas doesn't change if you get corrupted by the Void, which means that all pieces of jewelry that the Blood elves have should also be available to the Void elves. Since, you know, they are former Blood elves from Quel'thalas.

[delus]

Reminder that the fashion of Quel'thalas doesn't change if you get corrupted by the Void, which means that all pieces of jewelry that the Blood elves have should also be available to the Void elves. Since, you know, they are former Blood elves from Quel'thalas.

Really, I think jewelry should not be a character customization and should be transmog. At least in the case of necklaces since they are equipable items. I think the armbands should be made into bracer mogs as well.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

is what the developers say! that the customizations represent races: high elf or sand trolls for example. high elves are a race for blizzard! that's the difference between you and me, that you talk about one thing and I say what the devs say!

Nah mate, the point is that you don't have reading comprehension. That we have "a few high elf customizations available" doesn't meant blue eyed blood elves refer to themselves as High Elves within the universe. If you are unable to sepárate the aesthetics from the lore, this argument is pointless.

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It is used for that, we understand the context, but it also used for the race, and blizzard don't want to drop that, if they did, it would be way more easy to make the distinction, but still lies th problem of in that way, blood elf would not be the high elf, despite being. It all gets messy and no one would wan to feel robbed by


isn't thallasian just another name for high elf, like quel'dorei? i still think its better for the ones in the alliance change their names, because thematically, they do not retain the traits of the high elf of old, high elf by now should be a defunct term since no elf alive today live like then, every one by now have some sort of fundamental difference, and by irony or no, the ones who most resemble then are from blood elves. The highvale elvs xample you gave is a good example of this, they have nothing to do with the high elves of the second war anymore, why they should be called high elves, and not highvale elves?

Again, I agree on the "should"-Modern High Elves should change their name to something else- not much more to say that beyond that, the point is that we have to deal with the reality as it is now, and in that manner is that I believe that "Thalassian" is a good way to refer to all the elves of thalassian origin, regardless of any political or biological differences -because it also includes void elves, and illidari elves- But yeah, overall it's an aside point to refer to elfdom of Quel'thalas as a whole.

i don't think just calling then elves work, because night elves are over there too, it would goes against normal nomenclature of species, the same problem of trolls, thy never are "just trolls"

But is indeed just things blizzard will never "fix" in their lore, despite being so healthy for the game

I mean that's the point, that every prefix denotes origin; as I said, if High Elves dropped the "High", it would be replaced from the place/group they originate/come from now. Dalaran High Elves become "Dalarani Elves" like the Quel'danil HE's became "Highvale Elves", and the remaining HE's on the alliance could change their name to anything, more so if they band together politically.

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You seem to not understand me or its flying over your head. I mean I already told you why and what. I keep repeating myself and you started quoting me for what? To tell me its not about the aesthetics? Well its all about that in the end. Its about costumization. We never had a discussion about alliance or horde, because I already told you that discussion is dead now since both sides have high elf options.

And here lies your issue, you deem the discussion over, because to you is simply about aesthetics; you don't get to make a fuzz when I tell you that aesthetics is just one issue about High Elves; You keep making it just about the aesthetics to end the conversation "they both look like high elves now", great, what does that have to do with the lore about the elves that still call themselves High Elves and are either alliance or neutral?

Cause again, "lorewise" a Void Elf is also still a Void Elf -we don't even have solid confirmation that Void Elves have been recruiting High Elves in their ranks to specifically give them an alliance high Elf origin"; the whole point why "HE customization on VE's" has value on the first place for HE fans because we get aesthetics closer to the high elven groups already on the alliance, such as the highvale, silver covenant and others.

But as long as you keep pretending that aesthetics is the only thing that matters -and has mattered- in the high elf discussion for the last 1k pages, just reveals how much you miss the point of what people really want and are asking for.

That discussion is dead choc and happy so.

Case in point. Not because you want the conversation to be over it will be over. Accept that and move on with your life.

Because after the aesthetics issue is settled, then we will be probably talking about what's next for the Alliance High Elves; change their name? merge with Void Elves? merge with humans and give us Half Elves?

Dude, the discussion about high elves will never be over, because people like to talk about high elves.

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there's two in WoD

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Azara_Goldenwing
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rovan_Astalan

That's one thing that really bothers me, there's no way to know choices like these are bugs or intended.

They could be Blood Elves that remained on the Kirin Tor after the purge -but why do they have HE voicesets?-

They could be High Elves that got green eyes sometime -did they went to QT for a time? no way to know-

Are they just bugged and should have blue eyes like others HE NPC's with that voiceset? -maybe-

The problem is that they lack consistence with any other depictions, and without more info, it's all to speculation.

I think their green eyes are just bugs, but that's also part of my bias; it's as likely they are BE's that stayed in the Kirin Tor, like Magister Krelas, and it's their voice-sets which are bugged.

Maybe it's Occam's razor and the former is the more simple answer that requires less context, but again, could be my bias.

[Strippling]

Can you really make that distinction when blood elves have dark/cool hair colors themselves? Blood elves have access to black and blue shades.

They do not have access to void elf skin colors though. Void elves have access to all the blood elf skin colors plus their own voidy colors, so it's fair that blood elves have access to more natural hair colors plus dark/cool hair colors. imo

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Reminder that the fashion of Quel'thalas doesn't change if you get corrupted by the Void, which means that all pieces of jewelry that the Blood elves have should also be available to the Void elves. Since, you know, they are former Blood elves from Quel'thalas.

Then explain to me why the void elf heritage armor is different to the blood elf heritage armor? According to your logic it should be the same (cause fashion shouldn't change) but with void coloring... alas it is not, and is actually quite different. Guess fashion of Quel'thalas does and can change when you become a void elf, as is apparent in their heritage armor. As such, I'd expect any jewellery void elves may get in the future to be different to the blood elves. I'm sure some of the jewellery may be similar, but things like the phoenix necklace should be restricted to blood elves only, as a phoenix would make no sense for void elves.

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You do know you make a big joke out of yourself? You trying to be the smart guy here, but you forget you have no arguments like at all. I tried to find any.. you just trying to be hatefull because you lost the discussion I guess. Even now you still never responded or had any usefull input. Its sad.

The yikes should be my response here..

Just BE the smart guy and stop quoting me.

I wouldn't bother with Geisl, he's one of the more toxic pro helfers you'll come across.

[Varodoc]

I am excited to see what new jewels the Void elves will receive. I am sure they will get several phoenix-related jewelry, since their racial crest depicts a phoenix (it is like an inverted Blood elf crest), and the wings of their heritage armor are clearly reminiscent of phoenixes. Now that there is no longer a divide between faction elves, it is time for Blizzard to go crazy with the customization options for Void elves.

[FlubberPuddy]

Case in point. Not because you want the conversation to be over it will be over. Accept that and move on with your life.

Because after the aesthetics issue is settled, then we will be probably talking about what's next for the Alliance High Elves; change their name? merge with Void Elves? merge with humans and give us Half Elves?

It is funny that the people who consider this discussion 'dead choc' are the ones that keep coming to apparently "remind us" that it's a dead topic.

Dude, the discussion about high elves will never be over, because people like to talk about high elves.

Yeah I'm pretty sure they realize this but are futilely hoping if they said 'it's done and over' enough that it'll maybe happen.

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Then explain to me why the void elf heritage armor is different to the blood elf heritage armor? According to your logic it should be the same (cause fashion shouldn't change) but with void coloring... alas it is not, and is actually quite different. Guess fashion of Quel'thalas does and can change when you become a void elf, as is apparent in their heritage armor. As such, I'd expect any jewellery void elves may get in the future to be different to the blood elves. I'm sure some of the jewellery may be similar, but things like the phoenix necklace should be restricted to blood elves only, as a phoenix would make no sense for void elves.

You could make this same argument about Wildhammer Dwarves (who are hill dwarves) getting the current heritage armor which is focused on Ironforge Dwarves.

Except the developers have already stated that these increased customizations allow them the opportunity to have heritage style quests for the new customizations.

AKA, in the future we very well may get quests (and potentially new heritage armor) that explain these new customizations, but for the time being they've at least given us the ability to have the look.

Your paragraph there is another example of 'it's not in the game now, so it will never be' which was a terrible argument when Obelisk Kai used it, and is still a terrible argument today. Especially considering that MMOs are built on the foundation that they will change throughout the years/decades to come.

[Alanar]

Nah mate, the point is that you don't have reading comprehension. That we have "a few high elf customizations available" doesn't meant blue eyed blood elves refer to themselves as High Elves within the universe. If you are unable to sepárate the aesthetics from the lore, this argument is pointless.

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Again, I agree on the "should"-Modern High Elves should change their name to something else- not much more to say that beyond that, the point is that we have to deal with the reality as it is now, and in that manner is that I believe that "Thalassian" is a good way to refer to all the elves of thalassian origin, regardless of any political or biological differences -because it also includes void elves, and illidari elves- But yeah, overall it's an aside point to refer to elfdom of Quel'thalas as a whole.






I mean that's the point, that every prefix denotes origin; as I said, if High Elves dropped the "High", it would be replaced from the place/group they originate/come from now. Dalaran High Elves become "Dalarani Elves" like the Quel'danil HE's became "Highvale Elves", and the remaining HE's on the alliance could change their name to anything, more so if they band together politically.

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And here lies your issue, you deem the discussion over, because to you is simply about aesthetics; you don't get to make a fuzz when I tell you that aesthetics is just one issue about High Elves; You keep making it just about the aesthetics to end the conversation "they both look like high elves now", great, what does that have to do with the lore about the elves that still call themselves High Elves and are either alliance or neutral?

Cause again, "lorewise" a Void Elf is also still a Void Elf -we don't even have solid confirmation that Void Elves have been recruiting High Elves in their ranks to specifically give them an alliance high Elf origin"; the whole point why "HE customization on VE's" has value on the first place for HE fans because we get aesthetics closer to the high elven groups already on the alliance, such as the highvale, silver covenant and others.

But as long as you keep pretending that aesthetics is the only thing that matters -and has mattered- in the high elf discussion for the last 1k pages, just reveals how much you miss the point of what people really want and are asking for.



Case in point. Not because you want the conversation to be over it will be over. Accept that and move on with your life.

Because after the aesthetics issue is settled, then we will be probably talking about what's next for the Alliance High Elves; change their name? merge with Void Elves? merge with humans and give us Half Elves?

Dude, the discussion about high elves will never be over, because people like to talk about high

The thing is.. I see the costumization options as a comprimise to suit both factions with the outcry from players(alliance mostly) to get their blood elf model.

Wether you want to continue the discussion talking about any future lore post shadowlandsbis up to you. I already told you its likely something they keep in the middle like they did for years. The future on that front will maybe get a few nods.. but cmon both factions have options to play a high elf now.. what else do we need? I thought the tag didnt bother you?

I mean merging has already happend.. void elves ARE high elves.Sure we dont have the holy blue post to confirm this , but cmon the new options prove this. Merging with humans or half elves is more like dream.on kinda thing imo, aka wishfull thinking.

Its more like others have said its that peoppe just WANT to talk about high elves. But wether they are alliance or horde .. ye thats done. They are both. I think prohelves should be happy they got something.. sure we might see more updates on that front, but high elves as a tag or seperate race just isnt happening imo.

They could prove me wrong, but for now its a win on both sides if you care about the blue eyes. There realy isnt much else to it.

Like I said lore will likely be updated in a future patch, but I could also see it happening like I said earlier that they will just keep it in the middle.

[Syegfryed]

You could make this same argument about Wildhammer Dwarves (who are hill dwarves) getting the current heritage armor which is focused on Ironforge Dwarves.

you could not because wildhammer are still the same race of irongforge, groups aside. And dwarf heritage is quite open to support wildhammer fantasy too

AKA, in the future we very well may get quests (and potentially new heritage armor) that explain these new customizations, but for the time being they've at least given us the ability to have the look.

thats seems rather pointless when they could aim their efforts in the customizations itself, and heritage to other races, the heritage we have already cover then fine. there is far worse ones like maghar being only thematic fit to warrior, this don't mean they will add 10 other heritages for each class to then.

[FlubberPuddy]

you could not because wildhammer are still the same race of irongforge, groups aside. And dwarf heritage is quite open to support wildhammer fantasy too

Being the same race doesn't mean you don't have different aesthetics. Wildhammer very clearly don't have the same aesthetics as Ironforge Dwarves, just like both of them don't have the same aesthetics as Dark Iron Dwarves, all 3 being the same race.

What's funny is you can keep telling yourself that as if it's fact but the developers themselves state otherwise. Which is the point of these increased customizations and the future opportunities to provide heritage like quests explaining those at a later time <- which again, the developers themselves have already stated.

Ironforge Dwarf here:

Very overtly different from Wildhammer Dwarf here:



and here



doesn't take a genius to see the obvious differences, from many official blizzard artworks to fan interpretations.

thats seems rather pointless when they could aim their efforts in the customizations itself, and heritage to other races, the heritage we have already cover then fine. there is far worse ones like maghar being only thematic fit to warrior, this don't mean they will add 10 other heritages for each class to then.

You can consider it pointless but Blizzard doesn't agree. As, and I'll repeat one last time -> they've already stated these customizations give them the opportunities to make those extra heritage quests to explain those customizations.

AKA, they'll get around to it when they can. Because obviously it would be utterly insane for someone to think they could do it all at once (release every single increased customization for every race and make heritage armors all for them on top of SL release). Danuser even stated, they wouldn't ever do the increased customizations if they had to make explanations for each new addition at the same time, the resources just wouldn't be there.

And if you consider maghar far worse off then that means you also realize 1 heritage armor doesn't fit every 'sub race' thematic. And your '10 heritage armors' is just hyperbole and strawman. No one said they have to come out with 10.

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Trolls are another example of 1 same race that can vary wildly in armor aesthetic.



It's truly not any different in this video game as the various human cultures IRL can have drastically different aesthetics despite everyone being a human race.

Not sure why you vehemently seem to believe WoW needs to stay one note about it, especially when the game already provides diversity in aesthetic differentiation with its NPC races.

In the future the player races will get to have the same access, don't see how that's 'pointless' considering vanity is one of the major proponents of why people play this game.

[Vaedan]

you could not because wildhammer are still the same race of irongforge, groups aside. And dwarf heritage is quite open to support wildhammer fantasy too



thats seems rather pointless when they could aim their efforts in the customizations itself, and heritage to other races, the heritage we have already cover then fine. there is far worse ones like maghar being only thematic fit to warrior, this don't mean they will add 10 other heritages for each class to then.

Well, it was specificaly Wildhammer Dwarves who were mentioned by devs as the candidate for heritage armor, so they are most likely different to some degree. You know, even Dark Irons were considered just dwarves with black skin until they were added as separate allied race.

The chances are we will see a number of other heritages after each race gets one I guess.

[sammy18]

I don’t think a blue eyed blood elf on the horde would ever refer to themselves as a high elf. They would still call themselves a blood elf, in honor of the fallen that died protecting the sunwell. Any horde aligned blood elf, blue eyes or not would find the name high elf to be dated, or even dishonorable to their race. I think the blue eyed customizations are fantastic for blood elves, as it may reveal that the fel corruption is finally wearing off on the race (about time, it’s been forever since BC was released).