Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

Just because those are there doesn’t make any undead looking like that a dark ranger. You know this, you’re just reaching. I get it- you’re very protective of Blood Elves. I love them too, BUT I’m ok with them having some undead elves in their fold. Why? Because as we’ve seen with when the Humans turned their undead kin away, the Blood Elves welcomed their help, and I see them being okay with welcoming them. It’s a bit of a lore stretch but it isn’t out of the realms of possibility.

undeads have their own nation in lordaeron, being allies is one thing another is accepting them within society

[Ielenia]

human dark ranger
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When people say "dark ranger", I go by the assumption that they want the undead ELF model, considering that the request for "dark ranger" customization is usually paired with the request for san'layn customization, which are also an undead elf model.

And on top of that, I think "human customization" for the forsaken has an even lower chance of happening of and actual high elf playable race, considering that humans are "the face" of the Alliance faction, just like orcs are "the face" of the Horde, meaning we won't see an orc race on the Alliance faction, for example.

[Ardenaso]

And on top of that, I think "human customization" for the forsaken has an even lower chance of happening of and actual high elf playable race, considering that humans are "the face" of the Alliance faction, just like orcs are "the face" of the Horde, meaning we won't see an orc race on the Alliance faction, for example.

Yrel and her Lightbound is definitely coming to Azeroth and when we defeat her the surviving Lightbound Orcs surely won't get admitted to the Horde and they would definitely get resonance with the MU Lightforged

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But it's highly, highly, highly unlikely to ever happen since to make a forsaken player character into a "dark ranger" or "san'layn", it requires a complete replacement of the player model.

that's why we need to push for model toggles too like Dire Trolls, or Dire Orcs, or "freshly raised" Forsaken, or Nightfallen, or Moonguard for Nightborne, or Broken for Draenei

[Rhlor]

When people say "dark ranger", I go by the assumption that they want the undead ELF model, considering that the request for "dark ranger" customization is usually paired with the request for san'layn customization, which are also an undead elf model.

And on top of that, I think "human customization" for the forsaken has an even lower chance of happening of and actual high elf playable race, considering that humans are "the face" of the Alliance faction, just like orcs are "the face" of the Horde, meaning we won't see an orc race on the Alliance faction, for example.

the face of the horde is their most played race are the blood elves. many of us have wanted Alterac humans in the horde for years! the horde will never be complete without the Alteraci!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Honestly, I believe the best option would be separate AR. Customizations can be swapped easily and being undead is permanent thing. The same applies to elf options on Forsaken - you were either human or elf before you died. I guess it does not matter in the end, since most of these customizations are for player RP agenda, but I'd find it awkward. As it currently stands, I find it more likely for Blizz to add it as character customizations (it is one of the major themes of Shadowlands) and I think it's more likely to see it on blood elves, rather then Forsaken, because it takes less effort to do so.

Unfortunatelly, I don't think we will see new AR in a while now, maybe at the end of SL, but I expect it later then sooner, if ever. They would also need to make their models interesting, lore is not enough to make successful AR, nightborne pretty much proved that.



Sure, high elves with blue hair looks great. There are some high elf NPCs with blue hair already.

My void elf now finaly has proper high elf look too!

Indeed; part of me thinks we won't be seeing more AR's as we know them, so there are a lot of possibilities.

Also yesss, very cool mog!

[Ielenia]

Yrel and her Lightbound is definitely coming to Azeroth and when we defeat her the surviving Lightbound Orcs surely won't get admitted to the Horde and they would definitely get resonance with the MU Lightforged

There's a lot of assumptions and speculations there being disguised as certainty, there. It's nowhere near stated, or even hinted, that the AU lightbound draenei are coming to the MU Azeroth, and even if they do, it's not guaranteed that the lightbound orcs will actually come, and even if they do, it's not guaranteed they'll become playable, and even if they do become playable, it's not guaranteed that they'll be in the Alliance.

There's a lot of "ifs" there to say anything with certainty.

that's why we need to push for model toggles too like Dire Trolls, or Dire Orcs, or "freshly raised" Forsaken, or Nightfallen, or Moonguard for Nightborne, or Broken for Draenei

You have the option of "freshly raised forsaken" in the form of picking the level of rot on the body. And again: I highly doubt that Blizzard will ever add customization options that completely change the model of your character, like making a forsaken look like a pale red-eyed blood elf.

I imagine it's much more likely that Blizzard would introduce high elves as an actual playable race AND introduce a new "flavor of elf" as another playable race before that happens.

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the face of the horde is their most played race are the blood elves. many of us have wanted Alterac humans in the horde for years! the horde will never be complete without the Alteraci!

Then why is it that the two races on the front of the BfA box are an orc and a human? Why not a blood elf and night elf, considering those are the most played races in their factions?

The "face" of a faction is not determined by # of player characters within the faction, but by lore. Humans are the face of the Alliance, and orcs are the face of the Horde.

[Doffen]

Here is my "new" High Elf Paladin on a unicorn. We even have the same eye color!

[elbleuet]

It's so great to see all those high elves hanging out in Stormwind. The Alliance really feels complete now. It just took 13 years to Blizzard.

Next step : new haircuts and haircolors

[Varodoc]

No, the next step is giving them more corruption options and a shadowy form that looks like Alleria's. Do not forget the name that appears on the race selection screen, it's not "High elf". Never forget that.

[Graden]

No, the next step is giving them more corruption options and a shadowy form that looks like Alleria's. Do not forget the name that appears on the race selection screen, it's not "High elf". Never forget that.

I see you are a Void Elf fan, I can't relate, but I feel you. You are right, they should add more Void / Corruption options too. The true VE fans deserve it, I guess.

I don't really care that much, but even I must admit, it feels like 'home' seeing those players around, it brings me WC2 nostalgia. Look, since they bothered to give the options for High Elven looks, at like 80%, why not also give a couple of hairstyles and colors to complete it. The hard part is done, adding a hairstyle or a color is nothing.

[Vaedan]

sand trolls are allies of the zandalari the zandalari joined the horde, the echo isles are on the same continent as zul'farrak

Well, we don't know what relations are between zandalari and sand trolls now, after zandalari joined the Horde. Truth be told, Zuldazar was kind of safe haven for all trollkind, so you could see even gurrubashi and amani in Dazar'Alor and these are sworn enemies of the Horde. All these tribes you see here are still independent, they are not vassals of the Zandalari and are not affected by their decisions. Farraki featured on several occasions during storyline of Zandalar:

- We encounter them shortly after we make a landfall in Dazar'Alor with Talanji and Zul. They appear to be hostile towards the Horde and does not approve of the Horde presence here.
- As we are doing quests in Zuldazar, you discover that Sandfury in Dazar'Alor are basically thugs who are causing problems in the Golden Bazaar, so you are sent to put them down.
- During questline in Voldun, you find out that sand trolls ultimately team up with general Jakra'zet (who is sand troll himself) and act against the crown of Dazar'alor. They are openly against Zandalari making allies with the Horde. You fight them in the desert, so they are quite openly hostile to you.

All of it points out that Zandalari don't have pretty good relations with sand trolls. You could hardly call them allies. Still, Sandfury trolls are their own tribe, independent on the Zandalari and the Horde. As of BfA or Shadowlands, there is no lore indicating they joined the Horde, so right now, they are not officially part of the Horde. Your character is meant to be special and you are the one who make up its story how it ended up working with the Horde.

Also, Zul'Farak and Echo Isles may be on the same continent, but they are pretty far from each other, in case you haven't seen map. That argument is completely irrelevant. In that logic, you could easily allow undead elves start their questing experience in Eversong, since both blood elf and forsaken capitals are on the same continent...

I know you oppose undead elves pretty fiercely, but if you make some arguments, put some thought in them. Sometimes it feels like you are opposing the idea only to be some opposition there, without any relevant arguments. It is definitely good to express your opinion on that matter, but stay constructive and make valid points.

the face of the horde is their most played race are the blood elves. many of us have wanted Alterac humans in the horde for years! the horde will never be complete without the Alteraci!

Almost all faction wars we've been through in WoW were based on Humans vs Orcs. Humans are the very core of the Alliance, so I don't think there is a chance for these two races to swap factions. Also, if you really want to play on a faction where humans and elves work together, Alliance is here for you buddy.

The only race Horde needs to be complete are OGRES, definitely not Alteraci, which were never part of the faction to begin with. Horde have very little reason to ally with them now, especially after syndicate wanted to make slaves of them.

I see you are a Void Elf fan, I can't relate, but I feel you. You are right, they should add more Void / Corruption options too. The true VE fans deserve it, I guess.

I don't really care that much, but even I must admit, it feels like 'home' seeing those players around, it brings me WC2 nostalgia. Look, since they bothered to give the options for High Elven looks, at like 80%, why not also give a couple of hairstyles and colors to complete it. The hard part is done, adding a hairstyle or a color is nothing.

Agreed. If we get hair tentacles as separate customization, it will help a lot, in a similar way you can now customize beards and moustaches separately. I've also seen fan concepts which replaced tentacles with braids and it didn't look bad. Most of void elf hairstyles are actually "messy" versions of some blood elf hairstyles + tentacles. Having option to remove tentacles or replace them with braids could lead into more rugged appearance, in line with ranger theme.

[elbleuet]

No, the next step is giving them more corruption options and a shadowy form that looks like Alleria's. Do not forget the name that appears on the race selection screen, it's not "High elf". Never forget that.

Exactly. I want to look like Alleria, a void elf who's looking like a high elf.
So more normal haircuts and haircolors to ask and receive.

[Graden]

Exactly. I want to look like Alleria, a void elf who's looking like a high elf.
So more normal haircuts and haircolors to ask and receive.

Black, white and silver would be cool.

[Alixie]

human dark ranger

I dont get Horde players sometimes. They want High Elves, strait backed Forsaken/Trolls/Orcs, Forsaken with no decay, Humans with red eyes, Night Elves with red eyes, regular ass Humans, and dibs on Paladin classes. Its like they want to be Red Alliance.

[Valandale]

Of all the requests, the Alteraci humans make the least sense because they only "worked" with the horde once, in a gambit to take revenge on lordaeron and to avoid their own demise, it's not like the orcs would have honored that if Lordaeron HAD fallen. And the bandits that work with Sylvanas probably got betrayed just the same as Garithos' lot, I don't think any of Garithos' army were raised because the forsaken couldn't raise them at the time, and there were no Death Knights about to do that either. The remnants of Alterac also started working with the Legion ala Argus Wake.

[Ardenaso]

Of all the requests, the Alteraci humans make the least sense because they only "worked" with the horde once, in a gambit to take revenge on lordaeron and to avoid their own demise, it's not like the orcs would have honored that if Lordaeron HAD fallen. And the bandits that work with Sylvanas probably got betrayed just the same as Garithos' lot, I don't think any of Garithos' army were raised because the forsaken couldn't raise them at the time, and there were no Death Knights about to do that either. The remnants of Alterac also started working with the Legion ala Argus Wake.

there's no indication yet so far that the Blackthorn Bandits are dead; they could be off somewhere who knows; also there's the Ravenholdt who is friendly with the Horde; and then there's friendly Syndicate NPCs in Vanilla led by Ryson who didn't show up again - most likely breaking up with the Syndicate proper. The Horde also worked with the Fogsail Pirates so there shouldn't be any problem with working with the non-Syndicate Alteraci

[elbleuet]

Black, white and silver would be cool.

Yeah. I don't necessarely want blond hairs for void elves and those colors would be cool indeed. I would add blue and dark brown too.

[Valandale]

Ravenholdt is "friendly" to everyone because of the Uncrowned, they have fingers in every pot, but the others might be willing to work, especially post Sylvanas. Blackthorn was possessed himself so that banshee would have to entirely dominate him, and being bandits, without long term profit they may have bled away if they were not also possessed or coerced so they would be at best unreliable, about the same as the Fogsail really. Bandits and pirates aren't known for loyalty. But i could see post Sylvanas and post Syndicate Alteraci willing to work together to survive.

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Back OT, I'd say some more normal dark or aged hair would work well for HE/VE, and like Night elf vines, tentacles could have options there too.

[Eurhetemec]

I dont get Horde players sometimes. They want High Elves, strait backed Forsaken/Trolls/Orcs, Forsaken with no decay, Humans with red eyes, Night Elves with red eyes, regular ass Humans, and dibs on Paladin classes. Its like they want to be Red Alliance.

To be fair to Horde players, the reason they want most of those things is that they see most of those things pretty regularly, either in-game or in official artwork or both.

Straight-backed orcs have always been a thing, as have Trolls (since vanilla). Undead have regularly been depicted as straight-backed, and have been in-game arguably for a long time, or inarguably for all of BfA. Forsaken with less decay (they don't come with no decay, though that may happen one day is Calia Menethil keeps hanging with the Horde) have been wanted because Undead just looked like a weird mess with the armour being shredded too. Dark Rangers (presumably the red-eyed people?) have been in basically forever, and inexplicably non-playable. So wanting stuff you see in your faction doesn't seem particularly wack. I mean, they had High Elves, not sure why you're putting that as a new thing (yeah I know, I know, this entire thread blah blah!). The new thing was Void Elves turning full High Elf, rather than Blood Elves getting a new eye colour.

I will agree that demands for Alteraci humans make basically zero sense though!

And it's seems hypocritical to criticism them re: Paladins, when Alliance players have always been keen on Shamans, and demanding more Shamans (and they really have, I remember back before the Alliance had Shamans, the idea that Allies needed Shamans was much bigger than the idea that the Horde needed Paladins was with Horde players, thanks to stuff like Tremor Totem, and Windfury - and there would have been a riot if they'd put in Bloodlust without adding Alliance Shamans and Heroism).

A lot of Horde people were actually mad that they got Paladins initially, in part I think because they really didn't want the Alliance to have Shamans, who were pretty hilarious in PvP back then (and more dangerous than Paladins by a country mile). So I think if anything, the critique there should be reversed.

Once they got Paladins, then yeah they wanted it expanded - Undead were the leading demand (again, there literally are Undead paladins in-game, and again, there have been for a very long time), and obviously when Zandalari were going to be playable, people expected (and got) Paladins.

[shoc]

We got straight backed trolls, if not then what the hell are the Zandalari?