Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

There also are green eyed blood elves in some Alliance camps. Are blood elves part of it ? Just asking

Probably? For example the Silvermoon Scholars in Telogrus could be alliance, or at least heavily inclined towards it. Or are you simply defining High Elf or Blood Elf by their eye color, which would be reuctive.

The point is that looking at eye color as a political signifier has been fraught since day one even if there was correlation; The HE/BE divide wasn't biological, but ideological, so even where there has always been a strong correlation regarding eye colors, it wasn't the cause of the divide.

I mean, Void Elves were literally Blood Elves and changed factions recently, and we were told their alliance sympathy preceded them becoming Void Elves; Even QT as a whole was close to return to the Alliance during MoP. It's entirely logical there are BEs, regardless of void inclinations, that would prefer the alliance.

Yet... I can't say "blood elves are part of the alliance" and this is more of a personal definition; for a group to be "part" of a faction, it has to be, well, a group, with their own structure and ideology. A such, groups as the Void Elves and Silver Covenant are part of the alliance, so "High Elves are part of the alliance" but there are no BE groups on the alliance, and the individual BE's we might see on the Alliance are that, individuals.

Also, worth repeating, is that there are no High Elves on the Horde now, at least no more than there was before prepatch, because, again, eye color does not define if you are a high elf or a blood elf -strong correlation, but not definitive- and as said before, there are no self denominational High Elf groups on the Horde.

So what does that mean? Well, that is more likely for a blue eyed blood elf to be a... blood elf in the horde, than a High Elf, because the horde just doesn't have a context for High Elves as part of that faction.

But again, the simplest answer to your question is that eye color doesn't define whether you are a blood elf or a high elf; blood elf don't define themselves by their eye color, and theoretically we could see a high elf with fel irradiated eyes, but that would require them to either had been affected by fel somewhere else while part of the alliance, or be a BE that switched side and changed their name back to HE -which to me is the least likely scenario since BE's are very proud of their identity, even when they are not Horde.

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yup Azara Goldenwing and Rovan Astalan

That's exactly the point; are they Blood Elves that just have a HE voiceset, High Elves with green eyes, or a bug? Without confirmation, they can be either of those things.

Cause as much as having blue eyes doesn't make a blood elf a high elf, having green eyes doesn't make a high elf a blood elf. It has always been more nuanced than that.

some neutral Dalarani civilians and/or some Highvale and at least some few 3-5 Allerians can return given if they didn't join the Silver Covenant or the 7th Legion

Would be unlikely that no High Elves resettled in Quel'thalas after the Sunwell was re-ignited. Even if the choice of joining the Horde to be able to return home after all those years would have been hard, it would have been something many did.

Just as some BE's chose to leave the horde and rejoined the alliance, some would have done the opposite. It's really all about politics and ideology, and those are not defined by eye color, even if we can make generalizations about it.

But as it is the case with such things, there are always room for exceptions.

[Rhlor]

Probably? For example the Silvermoon Scholars in Telogrus could be alliance, or at least heavily inclined towards it. Or are you simply defining High Elf or Blood Elf by their eye color, which would be reuctive.

The point is that looking at eye color as a political signifier has been fraught since day one even if there was correlation; The HE/BE divide wasn't biological, but ideological, so even where there has always been a strong correlation regarding eye colors, it wasn't the cause of the divide.

I mean, Void Elves were literally Blood Elves and changed factions recently, and we were told their alliance sympathy preceded them becoming Void Elves; Even QT as a whole was close to return to the Alliance during MoP. It's entirely logical there are BEs, regardless of void inclinations, that would prefer the alliance.

Yet... I can't say "blood elves are part of the alliance" and this is more of a personal definition; for a group to be "part" of a faction, it has to be, well, a group, with their own structure and ideology. A such, groups as the Void Elves and Silver Covenant are part of the alliance, so "High Elves are part of the alliance" but there are no BE groups on the alliance, and the individual BE's we might see on the Alliance are that, individuals.

Also, worth repeating, is that there are no High Elves on the Horde now, at least no more than there was before prepatch, because, again, eye color does not define if you are a high elf or a blood elf -strong correlation, but not definitive- and as said before, there are no self denominational High Elf groups on the Horde.

So what does that mean? Well, that is more likely for a blue eyed blood elf to be a... blood elf in the horde, than a High Elf, because the horde just doesn't have a context for High Elves as part of that faction.

But again, the simplest answer to your question is that eye color doesn't define whether you are a blood elf or a high elf; blood elf don't define themselves by their eye color, and theoretically we could see a high elf with fel irradiated eyes, but that would require them to either had been affected by fel somewhere else while part of the alliance, or be a BE that switched side and changed their name back to HE -which to me is the least likely scenario since BE's are very proud of their identity, even when they are not Horde.

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That's exactly the point; are they Blood Elves that just have a HE voiceset, High Elves with green eyes, or a bug? Without confirmation, they can be either of those things.

Cause as much as having blue eyes doesn't make a blood elf a high elf, having green eyes doesn't make a high elf a blood elf. It has always been more nuanced than that.




Would be unlikely that no High Elves resettled in Quel'thalas after the Sunwell was re-ignited. Even if the choice of joining the Horde to be able to return home after all those years would have been hard, it would have been something many did.

Just as some BE's chose to leave the horde and rejoined the alliance, some would have done the opposite. It's really all about politics and ideology, and those are not defined by eye color, even if we can make generalizations about it.

But as it is the case with such things, there are always room for exceptions.

or is it self-identification! valeera lived for years in stormwind and served under 2 alliance leaders! but she always identified herself as blood elf because she lived what was the destruction of quelthalas and she honored the fallen with that name.

[Xilurm]

What do purple eyes signify?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

or is it self-identification! valeera lived for years in stormwind and served under 2 alliance leaders! but she always identified herself as blood elf because she lived what was the destruction of quelthalas and she honored the fallen with that name.

Indeed I already alluded to her.

...which to me is the least likely scenario since BE's are very proud of their identity, even when they are not Horde

The distinction that I am making is that self denomination of individuals is something we already see in game so we can have BE individuals on the Alliance and HE individuals on the Horde, but that is not aplicable on a group context, since there are no self denominational "groups" of Blood Elves on the Alliance, nor High Elf groups on the Horde. This distinction matters, as groups are defined by their ideologies and politics, whether individuals only are bound their own actions.

That's why saying "Blood Elves are an Alliance race", "Goblins are an Alliance Race" or "High Elves are a Horde Race" is inaccurate, because they are not represented as racial groups with shared ideologies and politics, but individuals, unlike High Elves, which indeed have groups within the alliance.

Of course, goes without saying that the existence of individuals may lead to the creation of groups -Such as the origin of the Silver Covenant- but it's not an interchangeable definition.

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What do purple eyes signify?

Honestly? I have NO clue:

So far we have only seen purple eyes in canon as a temporary state -Valeera in the comics- and an unknown one on Vereesa's Heartstone portrayal. That is not enough to get a concise answer, but we can have some theories.

Mine is that "refined arcane energy" may cause purple eyes, and as so many things with Elves, the level of exposure leads to a permanent change. I make the distinction between refined arcane energy, and let's say, the one of the Sunwell. We see arcane often as a mix of the two colors, so my guess the difference in color could be gradation or strength of the arcane energy, say, how Thas'dorah is pure arcane energy, or the scepter Valeera syphoned, while the Sunwell give a more low, but constant arcane radiation.

So of arcane energy is a spectrum, Blue is low levels, Purple is high levels. So perhaps the most arcane attuned elves do get permanent purple eyes

None of this theory makes sense why female HE NPCs have purple eyes and the males blue. I just have to go with that being a bug caused my using the ID of the old female HE eye color on the new purple ones.

[Rhlor]

Indeed I already alluded to her.



The distinction that I am making is that self denomination of individuals is something we already see in game so we can have BE individuals on the Alliance and HE individuals on the Horde, but that is not aplicable on a group context, since there are no self denominational "groups" of Blood Elves on the Alliance, nor High Elf groups on the Horde. This distinction matters, as groups are defined by their ideologies and politics, whether individuals only are bound their own actions.

That's why saying "Blood Elves are an Alliance race", "Goblins are an Alliance Race" or "High Elves are a Horde Race" is inaccurate, because they are not represented as racial groups with shared ideologies and politics, but individuals, unlike High Elves, which indeed have groups within the alliance.

Of course, goes without saying that the existence of individuals may lead to the creation of groups -Such as the origin of the Silver Covenant- but it's not an interchangeable definition.

tell me what is the ideological difference between blood elves vs high elves? being part of a faction is not an ideological difference. idiology is something that transcends nation states or geopolitical alliances! China and Vietnam, despite being ideologically communist, went to war with each other.

Do you know why the capitalist United States recognized communist China and practically betrayed capitalist China (Taiwan)? Because for the United States, having a country like China as an ally against the Soviet Union was something that geopolitically was much more useful!

Tell me then what would have been the ideological difference between the high elves and blood elves if in pandaria quelthalas had joined the alliance.

[Xilurm]

Honestly? I have NO clue:

So far we have only seen purple eyes in canon as a temporary state -Valeera in the comics- and an unknown one on Vereesa's Heartstone portrayal. That is not enough to get a concise answer, but we can have some theories.

Mine is that "refined arcane energy" may cause purple eyes, and as so many things with Elves, the level of exposure leads to a permanent change. I make the distinction between refined arcane energy, and let's say, the one of the Sunwell. We see arcane often as a mix of the two colors, so my guess the difference in color could be gradation or strength of the arcane energy, say, how Thas'dorah is pure arcane energy, or the scepter Valeera syphoned, while the Sunwell give a more low, but constant arcane radiation.

So of arcane energy is a spectrum, Blue is low levels, Purple is high levels. So perhaps the most arcane attuned elves do get permanent purple eyes

None of this theory makes sense why female HE NPCs have purple eyes and the males blue. I just have to go with that being a bug caused my using the ID of the old female HE eye color on the new purple ones.

Yeah thought so pretty much. Just wasn't sure because Night Elves have multiple tints of blue. Blue which apparently means arcane connection. White blue which leans more towards light. But there ain't a purple one so I wasn't sure. Nelves are inherently attuned to arcane anyway so it would make sense if they had the option to get purple eyes. I think.

[Ardenaso]

What do purple eyes signify?

me thinks Dalaran crystals they used to feed on

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dunno how to explain it, forgive my language barrier but sure, a Blood Elf who has blue eyes is still a Blood Elf, but a High Elf who has green eyes has to be a Blood Elf, "former" at least; they would have to be in Silvermoon for quite some time after the schism and then have their eyes turn green due to exposure from the fel crystals

but yeah I prefer if they were simple oversights and be High Elves actually; considering that anyone with green eyes should feel hunted and prejudiced by the Alliance on hindsight

[Rhlor]

me thinks Dalaran crystals they used to feed on

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dunno how to explain it, forgive my language barrier but sure, a Blood Elf who has blue eyes is still a Blood Elf, but a High Elf who has green eyes has to be a Blood Elf, "former" at least; they would have to be in Silvermoon for quite some time after the schism and then have their eyes turn green due to exposure from the fel crystals

but yeah I prefer if they were simple oversights and be High Elves actually; considering that anyone with green eyes should feel hunted and prejudiced by the Alliance on hindsight

valeera lived in stormwind for years, there are blood elves in telogrus, saw has a blood elf spy as agent.

[Strippling]

me thinks Dalaran crystals they used to feed on

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dunno how to explain it, forgive my language barrier but sure, a Blood Elf who has blue eyes is still a Blood Elf, but a High Elf who has green eyes has to be a Blood Elf, "former" at least; they would have to be in Silvermoon for quite some time after the schism and then have their eyes turn green due to exposure from the fel crystals

but yeah I prefer if they were simple oversights and be High Elves actually; considering that anyone with green eyes should feel hunted and prejudiced by the Alliance on hindsight

High elves in Allerian stronghold should technically have green eyes. I imagine their exposure to fel would have been much greater than say farstrider blood elves residing predominantly in the forests outside of QT.

[Icelin]

Doubt we'll see San'layn added as a playable option, unless through Red eye options unique to Blood Elf Death Knights.

If they are going to add a blood sucking vampire allied race, my money is on them adding the Venthyr.

..but the Venthyr are so unappealing. (Definitely not Vincent Valentine) It's like how they made a majority of the Allied races not attractive. Let's not promote less alluring Allied races. We only got three out of ten that look good wearing mogs. We got two elves one was completely neglected (looks awkward in most armor) and the other received special treatment. *points to thread title*

Now I have heard the masses and they don't want more elves and I don't blame them. We have four playable elf races. We don't need no more !

They don't have to be elves to be desirable. I am personally rooting for some new type of alien species or some type of ancient civilization that gets unearthed in a later expansion. (Azeroth getting struck with that sword, could've unearthed something..)It can really just be any type of new species. People could think of lots of ways to implement them. Either way less clunky, ugly Allied races. Looking at you mechagnomes.

[Xilurm]

None of this theory makes sense why female HE NPCs have purple eyes and the males blue. I just have to go with that being a bug caused my using the ID of the old female HE eye color on the new purple ones.

Well actually... I was having a stroll around SW to see how the NPC's have changed and all that, and since they added the Void Elf NPC's that are walking around now I saw these two, which assume are new? Atleast the one with the Void Elf must be, unless she was walking alone before.




So if these two High Elves are new, it can't be a bug and is most likely on purpose that they have purple eyes?

Edit: Also this could've very well been posted before so sorry if it has been.

[Phaelia]

..but the Venthyr are so unappealing. (Definitely not Vincent Valentine) It's like how they made a majority of the Allied races not attractive. Let's not promote less alluring Allied races. We only got three out of ten that look good wearing mogs. We got two elves one was completely neglected (looks awkward in most armor) and the other received special treatment. *points to thread title*

Now I have heard the masses and they don't want more elves and I don't blame them. We have four playable elf races. We don't need no more !

They don't have to be elves to be desirable. I am personally rooting for some new type of alien species or some type of ancient civilization that gets unearthed in a later expansion. (Azeroth getting struck with that sword, could've unearthed something..)It can really just be any type of new species. People could think of lots of ways to implement them. Either way less clunky, ugly Allied races. Looking at you mechagnomes.

Uh, hi I would gladly play the “ugly” Venthyr. Sorry you don’t agree and are only attracted to superficial beauty but the fact remains many people will enjoy playing Venthyr. You sound a lot like someone on the WoW forums that was similarly minded. That only physical beauty is the way to go. Sad.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

tell me what is the ideological difference between blood elves vs high elves? being part of a faction is not an ideological difference. idiology is something that transcends nation states or geopolitical alliances! China and Vietnam, despite being ideologically communist, went to war with each other.

Do you know why the capitalist United States recognized communist China and practically betrayed capitalist China (Taiwan)? Because for the United States, having a country like China as an ally against the Soviet Union was something that geopolitically was much more useful!

Tell me then what would have been the ideological difference between the high elves and blood elves if in pandaria quelthalas had joined the alliance.

Dude, politics ARE ideology, there's no way to pretend otherwise, to pretend politics don't affect ideology. Ideology is not just one aspect about a group, but the all of their aspects that define them as such, it's impossibly to remove political affiliation when by definition affects their policies and ideologies.

Regardless, Blood Elves and Modern High Elves have distinct ideologies; the fact that for starters, one group chooses to name themselves after their fallen and the other doesn't makes very clear there ARE ideological differences; to pretend BE and HE are "the same" when they have gone through huge sociocultural changes dells both groups short.

And yes, even when politics OBVIOUSLY affect ideology -cause literally politics are themselves ideology- Modern High Elves and Blood Elves are culturally different, and would still be so if they were on the same faction. The only advantage is that if their politics allign, then they can more easily talk reunification.

But for real dude, the fact that Blood Elves and High Elves see themselves as differtent groups with different goals makes pretty darn obvious they ideologies do not match, Otherwise they would be united.

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Yeah thought so pretty much. Just wasn't sure because Night Elves have multiple tints of blue. Blue which apparently means arcane connection. White blue which leans more towards light. But there ain't a purple one so I wasn't sure. Nelves are inherently attuned to arcane anyway so it would make sense if they had the option to get purple eyes. I think.

Could be, II really don't have much more besides the former theory!

Well actually... I was having a stroll around SW to see how the NPC's have changed and all that, and since they added the Void Elf NPC's that are walking around now I saw these two, which assume are new? Atleast the one with the Void Elf must be, unless she was walking alone before.




So if these two High Elves are new, it can't be a bug and is most likely on purpose that they have purple eyes?

Edit: Also this could've very well been posted before so sorry if it has been.

Yeah, all those NPCs are there since 7.3. Just like any other HE females, they got purple eyes with the update -they used to have blue ones-.



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dunno how to explain it, forgive my language barrier but sure, a Blood Elf who has blue eyes is still a Blood Elf, but a High Elf who has green eyes has to be a Blood Elf, "former" at least; they would have to be in Silvermoon for quite some time after the schism and then have their eyes turn green due to exposure from the fel crystals

but yeah I prefer if they were simple oversights and be High Elves actually; considering that anyone with green eyes should feel hunted and prejudiced by the Alliance on hindsight

I would agree; a green eyed High Elf would be pretty rare, as would require them to have come in contact with fel radiation for a long time and didn't try to prevent it, which overall does make them plausible, but also highly unlikely to exist.

Cause if we have a HE warlock in Dalaran that kept his blue eyes, must mean it's not just about fel exposure and there are ways to prevent it, and any High Elf who doesn't want to be seen as a BE because of prejudice, would take such meassures.

High elves in Allerian stronghold should technically have green eyes. I imagine their exposure to fel would have been much greater than say farstrider blood elves residing predominantly in the forests outside of QT.

Or maybe the fact that none of the high Elves in Terrokar have green eyes just means that zone at least isn't as fel irradiated as other. In fact, the precence of Maghar as well also supports the theory that Outland isn't as seeped in fel as people like to think.

[Rhlor]

Dude, politics ARE ideology, there's no way to pretend otherwise, to pretend politics don't affect ideology. Ideology is not just one aspect about a group, but the all of their aspects that define them as such, it's impossibly to remove political affiliation when by definition affects their policies and ideologies.

Regardless, Blood Elves and Modern High Elves have distinct ideologies; the fact that for starters, one group chooses to name themselves after their fallen and the other doesn't makes very clear there ARE ideological differences; to pretend BE and HE are "the same" when they have gone through huge sociocultural changes dells both groups short.

And yes, even when politics OBVIOUSLY affect ideology -cause literally politics are themselves ideology- Modern High Elves and Blood Elves are culturally different, and would still be so if they were on the same faction. The only advantage is that if their politics allign, then they can more easily talk reunification.

But for real dude, the fact that Blood Elves and High Elves see themselves as differtent groups with different goals makes pretty darn obvious they ideologies do not match, Otherwise they would be united.

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Could be, II really don't have much more besides the former theory!



Yeah, all those NPCs are there since 7.3. Just like any other HE females, they got purple eyes with the update -they used to have blue ones-.



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I would agree; a green eyed High Elf would be pretty rare, as would require them to have come in contact with fel radiation for a long time and didn't try to prevent it, which overall does make them plausible, but also highly unlikely to exist.

Cause if we have a HE warlock in Dalaran that kept his blue eyes, must mean it's not just about fel exposure and there are ways to prevent it, and any High Elf who doesn't want to be seen as a BE because of prejudice, would take such meassures.





Or maybe the fact that none of the high Elves in Terrokar have green eyes just means that zone at least isn't as fel irradiated as other. In fact, the precence of Maghar as well also supports the theory that Outland isn't as seeped in fel as people like to think.

ideology is a set of values, political, economic, social and cultural.

I can understand that at the political level there are thalassians who are with the alliance, those thalassians can self identify themselves, as high elves, blood elves and void elves.

but that's all I think there is a self-identification of groups of people with a name but that does not define an idiology. I also do not see a cultural change since it is the same culture

[Icelin]

Uh, hi I would gladly play the “ugly” Venthyr. Sorry you don’t agree and are only attracted to superficial beauty but the fact remains many people will enjoy playing Venthyr. You sound a lot like someone on the WoW forums that was similarly minded. That only physical beauty is the way to go. Sad.

You're being presumptuous with calling me superficial. This isn't reality. I don't mean to be unkind in breaking this to you, but for WoW the most popular race is the epitome of superficial beauty. In fact it's what this whole topic over 1100ush + pages is about.

I want more desirable looking Allied races. I think there is nothing wrong with asking that. More so when 3 out of 10 actually met that demand (Why I request more. As the demand was not fulfilled.) and surprise, surprise.. which Allied race is the most popular?

Why would my tastes in a fake reality (videogame) bother you? It's for fun and apparently a majority of the playerbase have fun playing those superficial looking races. You can't argue with numbers...

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

ideology is a set of values, political, economic, social and cultural.

Indeed, so you can't divorce the politics any more than any of the others.

I can understand that at the political level there are thalassians who are with the alliance, those thalassians can self identify themselves, as high elves, blood elves and void elves.

but that's all I think there is a self-identification of groups of people with a name but that does not define an idiology.

No, the point is that each group exists BECAUSE they have different ideologies. If their ideologies truly match, they would be together! Even if it was JUST the political aspect, that by itself differing separates their ideologies as a whole.

I also do not see a cultural change since it is the same culture

And this is where you lose me; cause I don't know if I can mantain a conversation with someone that believes that current Blood Elf ideology is THE SAME thay High Elf ideology pre third war, let alone modern, alliance High Elf ideology. The differences are just too apparent IMO to accept in good faith someone not seeing them, so IDK how to even answer to that.

Blood Elves thematically rose like the Phoenix, reinventing themselves as a people willing to do everything for survival, far removed from their previous complacency, to dismiss the whole sociocultural change Blood Elves went through and what they became after their crucible, is truly a disservice to their narrative. That they call themselves Blood Elves is not just a swanky new name, but a whole paradigm shift from what we were.

And yet! Modern High Elves are as, if not MORE removed from Pre Third War High Elves, they now exist within a human context, without attempting sovereignty and instead assimilating; how is that not a huge ideological shift from being a kingdom? Their goals are clearly different than those of BE's, and Pre Third War HE's, so the sheer notion they have the same ideology, that even their culture is still the same when their contexts have changed so WILDLY since the Fall of Quel'thalas is just flat out wrong.

Only way BEs and modern HE's have the same culture is if you dismiss all they have gone through since the fall.

[Phaelia]

You're being presumptuous with calling me superficial. This isn't reality. I don't mean to be unkind in breaking this to you, but for WoW the most popular race is the epitome of superficial beauty. In fact it's what this whole topic over 1100ush + pages is about.

I want more desirable looking Allied races. I think there is nothing wrong with asking that. More so when 3 out of 10 actually met that demand (Why I request more. As the demand was not fulfilled.) and surprise, surprise.. which Allied race is the most popular?

Why would my tastes in a fake reality (videogame) bother you? It's for fun and apparently a majority of the playerbase have fun playing those superficial looking races. You can't argue with numbers...

Quite a hostile reply, but I guess I can’t be surprised. I’ll be happy when the Venthyr are playable, because they will be.

[Ielenia]

Danuser stated there was a reason why the blacksmith had blue eyes, so we know there intentionality behind that one at least. Alas, they ARE in game, so we can't just dismiss them as bugs because they don't fit a narrative.

https://twitter.com/stevedanuser/sta...87595542433792

Considering who we're talking about here, I'm leaning more toward the idea that it was just a mistake but the guy just said that to generate buzz.

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Well actually... I was having a stroll around SW to see how the NPC's have changed and all that, and since they added the Void Elf NPC's that are walking around now I saw these two, which assume are new? Atleast the one with the Void Elf must be, unless she was walking alone before.




So if these two High Elves are new, it can't be a bug and is most likely on purpose that they have purple eyes?

Edit: Also this could've very well been posted before so sorry if it has been.

I'm going on a limb here and throw a wild hypothesis here: Blizzard is 'seeding' a possible "void mage"-y class. I mean, the high elf sorceress has purple eyes, the color of the old void elf eyes, and then we look at Exile's March, and we have Meredy Huntswell, a dwarf mage (because she acts as the "mage trainer") who casts a void spell on you to polymorph you into an orgre.

[Ardenaso]

valeera lived in stormwind for years, there are blood elves in telogrus, saw has a blood elf spy as agent.

I mean in the time of WoD since the Purge of Dalaran was just recent; while Valeera is a special case considering she is known by everyone for some time

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Quite a hostile reply, but I guess I can’t be surprised. I’ll be happy when the Venthyr are playable, because they will be.

but why would afterlife care about the beforelife?

[Phaelia]

I mean in the time of WoD since the Purge of Dalaran was just recent; while Valeera is a special case considering she is known by everyone for some time

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but why would afterlife care about the beforelife?

I’m not sure how it would work but Revendreth looks more like a real place than any of the other realms we’ve seen thus far, with poor and rich alike. I could see some Venthyr fleeing from the endless cycle, and coming to Azeroth. They don’t burn in daylight per se, just the Holy Light. I could see them as one of the few races that can’t be Priests, as Holy Light could literally kill them. A lot to unpack but I would love to play one.