Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FossilFree]

Like LFD, Void elves were ridiculously limited concept wise. They need a wider spectrum of colors just from a design perspective; if they want to keep VE hair colors different, they could add lighter colors, but in "ashy" or "desaturated" hues, as if Void robbed their hair color of their sun kissed vibrancy. That would be a design choice that reflects a lore concern. Bonus point if Alleria's hair color also gets a bit washed out as well, it would tie everything together.

This makes the most sense to me. Add blonde, brown, and red with a dash of gray thrown in, like all of their other hair colors have.

[Ielenia]

Did I? Cause again you fail to address the lack of logic of your posture, so beyond you don't want blue eyes for blood elves, what other explanation there is?

Yes. Yes, you did. The only reason you see a "lack of logic" in my "posture" is because you're trying to fit my "posture" into a pre-conceived notion of what you think my position is.

It's insane how you keep doubling down on dismissing Danuser when "yeah there's a reason that guy has blue eyes, might tell later" is all we need to know to define it as a bug or intended -even if it didn't start like that- Because again, how relevant the NPC is is not freaking relevant! What matters is that Danuser there's a reason why that Blood Elf has blue eyes, just like PCs can have blue eyes. So What are you even arguing at this point save for arguing's sake?

Because his words do not confirm that those blood elf npcs having blue eyes was not a bug, as you said in your original claim:

Mind you, all it means it's not a bug, we still don't know the specifics of it -because most likely it's not that interesting of a story- That's it; it confirms it's not a bug.

Again, are you this mad of human with dark skins, or you really only care if it's about blue eyes blood elves?

So you insist that I am "mad that blood elves got blue eyes" even when I never expressed said sentiment in our conversation and even told you that is not my position? Are you actually arguing in bad faith and trying to get an irate response out of me that would likely get me infracted?

This incessant necessity of an specific WHY Lanesh or other blood elves have blue eyes when: We have known since the start that the fel taint would fade in time, all that has changed was the timeframe. It has ALWAYS been possible within the lore. What about BE's that only recently rejoined? why would they have green eyes? There are already prefectly reasonable explanations of the way beyond even "they could always have" so again, what are you even asking?

Then why didn't Danuser, the lead narrative designer, didn't simply say so? "The fel taint disappears in time. Some got rid of it earlier than others." Such a simple response that would have helped so much in the discussion and would affect in nothing future stories. But, again, he resorted to that immature "I know but I'm not telling" response.

You would know what I'm asking, if you actually read my questions and arguments instead of creating a frigging strawman of my position and solely focusing on your strawman instead of addressing what I'm really writing.

[Ardenaso]

^you two better take it to the DMs

[Garfurion]

I'm going on a limb here and throw a wild hypothesis here: Blizzard is 'seeding' a possible "void mage"-y class. I mean, the high elf sorceress has purple eyes, the color of the old void elf eyes, and then we look at Exile's March, and we have Meredy Huntswell, a dwarf mage (because she acts as the "mage trainer") who casts a void spell on you to polymorph you into an orgre.

I think the high elf sorceress has violet eyes not purple. According to Sean Copeland aka Loreology "Arcane magic is canonically white and/or violet in the lore"
source: https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Arch...from_Loreology

Dalaran also uses a lot of "violet" in names (Violet Hold, Violet Citadel) but is arcane focused as well. Arcane Missiles also appear violet.

[Varodoc]

Alleria has blonde hair. There is no reason why Void elves should be denied blonde, black, and other hair color options.

Blood elves can remain unique by giving them a set of Dark Ranger-themed customization options.

[Ielenia]

I think the high elf sorceress has violet eyes not purple. According to Sean Copeland aka Loreology "Arcane magic is canonically white and/or violet in the lore"
source: https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Arch...from_Loreology

Dalaran also uses a lot of "violet" in names (Violet Hold, Violet Citadel) but is arcane focused as well. Arcane Missiles also appear violet.

Like I said to another poster: that is why I have never gave any thought to it until I saw the dwarf mage actually casting a void spell in the Exile's Reach zone.

[Edoll]

I think the high elf sorceress has violet eyes not purple. According to Sean Copeland aka Loreology "Arcane magic is canonically white and/or violet in the lore"
source: https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Arch...from_Loreology

Dalaran also uses a lot of "violet" in names (Violet Hold, Violet Citadel) but is arcane focused as well. Arcane Missiles also appear violet.

I’m not unconvinced it’s a bug still. I would t be surprised if it’s a retcon though. The blue eyes were originally from exposure to arcane magic, but WoW has always shown arcane magic to be purple.

[vagnar]

Alleria has blonde hair. There is no reason why Void elves should be denied blonde, black, and other hair color options.

Blood elves can remain unique by giving them a set of Dark Ranger-themed customization options.

I think Void Elves should stay Void Elves and High Elves should be its own option. What's the point of having Void Elves and then giving players the option to not look like a Void Elf.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Yes. Yes, you did. The only reason you see a "lack of logic" in my "posture" is because you're trying to fit my "posture" into a pre-conceived notion of what you think my position is.


Because his words do not confirm that those blood elf npcs having blue eyes was not a bug, as you said in your original claim:




So you insist that I am "mad that blood elves got blue eyes" even when I never expressed said sentiment in our conversation and even told you that is not my position? Are you actually arguing in bad faith and trying to get an irate response out of me that would likely get me infracted?


Then why didn't Danuser, the lead narrative designer, didn't simply say so? "The fel taint disappears in time. Some got rid of it earlier than others." Such a simple response that would have helped so much in the discussion and would affect in nothing future stories. But, again, he resorted to that immature "I know but I'm not telling" response.

You would know what I'm asking, if you actually read my questions and arguments instead of creating a frigging strawman of my position and solely focusing on your strawman instead of addressing what I'm really writing.

I really don't even know what you problem at this point. There are already several ways blood elves would have blue eyes, why Lanesh has blue eyes is irrelevant to that, yet you continue to dismiss Danuser -which again, he is the lead narrative designer FFS- when he says that it's not a bug said character has blue eyes and there's a story behind it even if it's not all that important to tell, because it's not all that much of an issue why blood elves can have blue eyes.

And again, if he says there's a story behind that NPC, how TF is that not confirmation it's not a bug? FFS, it all comes to you to refusing to believe the guy and that's ridic

I really have no clue what more do you want of this conversation or what even your gripe is at this point. Blood Elves HAVE blue eyes regardless of Lanesh's existence, even if no NPC's had blue eyes before implementation, it's moot, because BE have them NOW.

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I’m not unconvinced it’s a bug still. I would t be surprised if it’s a retcon though. The blue eyes were originally from exposure to arcane magic, but WoW has always shown arcane magic to be purple.

The problem is that every female high elf has purple eyes, while male have blue. There's obviously a bug somewhere in that inconsistency.

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This makes the most sense to me. Add blonde, brown, and red with a dash of gray thrown in, like all of their other hair colors have.

Basically; VE's can have more hair colors and hues, doesn't mean they have to have the same vibrancy than BE ones. Would be an interesting -and unlike now, not limiting- aesthetic differentiation if VE hair colors looked more washed out, kinda like how VE look with KT hair textures but even more desaturated even

(KT hair textures on VE, so kinda like this, but maybe more desaturated)

[Ielenia]

I really don't even know what you problem at this point.

And I've already explained why you "don't know":

You assumed my position, and assumed wrong.

The only reason you see a "lack of logic" in my "posture" is because you're trying to fit my "posture" into a pre-conceived notion of what you think my position is.

There are already several ways blood elves would have blue eyes, why Lanesh has blue eyes is irrelevant to that, yet you continue to dismiss Danuser -which again, he is the lead narrative designer FFS- when he says that it's not a bug said character has blue eyes and there's a story behind it even if it's not all that important to tell, because it's not all that much of an issue why blood elves can have blue eyes.

If the leader of NASA came out and said that the Earth is flat, would you believe him, "because he is the leader of NASA"? And again: Shadowlands heavily implies that Danuser was full of shit when he made that tweet, considering blood elves with blue eyes is nothing special, unlike blood elves with golden eyes. We know there are many ways a blood elf could have blue eyes, and the overwhelming majority of them do not involve any important story or plot element.

And again, if he says there's a story behind that NPC, how TF is that not confirmation it's not a bug?

Do you believe 2K Games when they said that putting unskippable ads during match load time in their latest NBA game was unintentional? The reason it's not a confirmation is because he never said it's not a bug. His answer could very well mean "this is indeed a bug but we decided to just go with it" which even you admitted to be a possibility:

It's insane how you keep doubling down on dismissing Danuser when "yeah there's a reason that guy has blue eyes, might tell later" is all we need to know to define it as a bug or intended -even if it didn't start like that-

I really have no clue what more do you want of this conversation or what even your gripe is at this point.

Because you don't care to find out what it is. You are dead-set on this "you are mad that blood elves have blue eyes" narrative, regardless how nonsensical and unfounded that accusation is, and no matter how many times I explain to you that is not my position.

[Lumineus]

I think Void Elves should stay Void Elves and High Elves should be its own option. What's the point of having Void Elves and then giving players the option to not look like a Void Elf.

IDK, what's the point of making the Blood Elves ethically-challenged hardcore pragmatists willing to scar themselves both spiritually and physically in order to shoehorn them into the Horde, and then letting players wish that away for 2.5g with a click of their mouse, while staying in the Horde? I mean, I know it's because the Korean girls they made them for don't want to be battle-scarred hardcases with brands on their face, but it's the cognitive dissonance that kills me.

[shoc]

I would prefer that Blood Elves don't have blue eyes. At least lorewise they'd have Green or Yellow eyes now, any blue eyed Elves that returned to Silvermoon would be Gold eyes by now. The only blue eyed ones should be exiles that kept hanging around the Alliance away from the Sunwell or Void Elves. It would make it easier to play who's-who with elves from a gameplay perspective too.

[Swnem]

I would prefer that Blood Elves don't have blue eyes. At least lorewise they'd have Green or Yellow eyes now, any blue eyed Elves that returned to Silvermoon would be Gold eyes by now. The only blue eyed ones should be exiles that kept hanging around the Alliance away from the Sunwell or Void Elves. It would make it easier to play who's-who with elves from a gameplay perspective too.

I totally agree. It's what would've made sense to me as well to differentiate them, but belf players cry so much, they literally have to give them something to shut them up, like Nightborne aren't a thing and even slightly distinct from night elves model wise, something we didnt get with high/void elves, which was a complete copy paste.
Just hear void/high elf players asking for hair colors cause basically there are only 4 to loads of belf ones and they flip. No, you can't have blonde even though your faction leader literally has it! Stop stealing from me! Etc. It's primitive.

[Varodoc]

I think Void Elves should stay Void Elves and High Elves should be its own option. What's the point of having Void Elves and then giving players the option to not look like a Void Elf.

Except for the fact that fair-skin is part of the Void elf identity.

This is the Void elf leader:



So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

There's no way around this. Alleria Windrunner is a Void elf who possesses fair skin options, and she is the Void elf leader nonetheless, she isn't some obscure character with no story relevance. I've been saying this for years, and finally Blizzard got the memo.

[vagnar]

Except for the fact that fair-skin is part of the Void elf identity.

This is the Void elf leader:



So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

There's no way around this. Alleria Windrunner is a Void elf who possesses fair skin options, and she is the Void elf leader nonetheless, she isn't some obscure character with no story relevance. I've been saying this for years, and finally Blizzard got the memo.

She's not a Void Elf.

[Varodoc]

She's not a Void Elf.

Except she is. She refers to herself as a Ren'dorei and is described as one in the Shadows' Rising official description:

[...] The Dark Lady and her forces now work in the shadows as both the Horde and Alliance, including her own sister, Alleria, race to uncover her next move. Struggling to shoulder the crushing weight of leadership, King Anduin entrusts the void elf and High Exarch Turalyon to uncover Sylvanas's whereabouts.

And, in case you hadn't played the Seat of the Triumvirate dungeon, she kind of ate a dark naaru, to put it bluntly.

[vagnar]

Except she is. She refers to herself as a Ren'dorei and is described as one in the Shadows' Rising official description:

man I really don't care

[Varodoc]

man I really don't care

I had noticed, yeah. Low post count, no avatar, "Join date: Oct 2020", I can spot a troll from a mile away.

Regardless I decided to indulge you since I enjoy explaining things, even if people don't listen to me.

[Strippling]

So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

[Varodoc]

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

Shhh, it's too late. I got my fair skin options. Deal with it.

I already said that I think Blood elves should get Dark Ranger options like Sylvanas, so I don't know what you want from me. If you're so bothered by this great injustice, send a tweet to Blizzard.