Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

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I would prefer that Blood Elves don't have blue eyes. At least lorewise they'd have Green or Yellow eyes now, any blue eyed Elves that returned to Silvermoon would be Gold eyes by now. The only blue eyed ones should be exiles that kept hanging around the Alliance away from the Sunwell or Void Elves. It would make it easier to play who's-who with elves from a gameplay perspective too.

[Swnem]

I would prefer that Blood Elves don't have blue eyes. At least lorewise they'd have Green or Yellow eyes now, any blue eyed Elves that returned to Silvermoon would be Gold eyes by now. The only blue eyed ones should be exiles that kept hanging around the Alliance away from the Sunwell or Void Elves. It would make it easier to play who's-who with elves from a gameplay perspective too.

I totally agree. It's what would've made sense to me as well to differentiate them, but belf players cry so much, they literally have to give them something to shut them up, like Nightborne aren't a thing and even slightly distinct from night elves model wise, something we didnt get with high/void elves, which was a complete copy paste.
Just hear void/high elf players asking for hair colors cause basically there are only 4 to loads of belf ones and they flip. No, you can't have blonde even though your faction leader literally has it! Stop stealing from me! Etc. It's primitive.

[Varodoc]

I think Void Elves should stay Void Elves and High Elves should be its own option. What's the point of having Void Elves and then giving players the option to not look like a Void Elf.

Except for the fact that fair-skin is part of the Void elf identity.

This is the Void elf leader:



So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

There's no way around this. Alleria Windrunner is a Void elf who possesses fair skin options, and she is the Void elf leader nonetheless, she isn't some obscure character with no story relevance. I've been saying this for years, and finally Blizzard got the memo.

[vagnar]

Except for the fact that fair-skin is part of the Void elf identity.

This is the Void elf leader:



So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

There's no way around this. Alleria Windrunner is a Void elf who possesses fair skin options, and she is the Void elf leader nonetheless, she isn't some obscure character with no story relevance. I've been saying this for years, and finally Blizzard got the memo.

She's not a Void Elf.

[Varodoc]

She's not a Void Elf.

Except she is. She refers to herself as a Ren'dorei and is described as one in the Shadows' Rising official description:

[...] The Dark Lady and her forces now work in the shadows as both the Horde and Alliance, including her own sister, Alleria, race to uncover her next move. Struggling to shoulder the crushing weight of leadership, King Anduin entrusts the void elf and High Exarch Turalyon to uncover Sylvanas's whereabouts.

And, in case you hadn't played the Seat of the Triumvirate dungeon, she kind of ate a dark naaru, to put it bluntly.

[vagnar]

Except she is. She refers to herself as a Ren'dorei and is described as one in the Shadows' Rising official description:

man I really don't care

[Varodoc]

man I really don't care

I had noticed, yeah. Low post count, no avatar, "Join date: Oct 2020", I can spot a troll from a mile away.

Regardless I decided to indulge you since I enjoy explaining things, even if people don't listen to me.

[Strippling]

So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

[Varodoc]

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

Shhh, it's too late. I got my fair skin options. Deal with it.

I already said that I think Blood elves should get Dark Ranger options like Sylvanas, so I don't know what you want from me. If you're so bothered by this great injustice, send a tweet to Blizzard.

[Alanar]

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

Good point. I always wanted that look back when I first entered her chamber back in vanilla... never got that.

Void elves got their light skin already so thats done.

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Shhh, it's too late. I got my fair skin options. Deal with it.

I already said that I think Blood elves should get Dark Ranger options like Sylvanas, so I don't know what you want from me. If you're so bothered by this great injustice, send a tweet to Blizzard.

There was still the outcry of haircolors.. is that done? Good.

Meh dark ranger should just become a class eventually. Just having undead skin with red eyes.. makes little sense.
Then it becomes.. why are you undead?

Inb4 dark rangers are hunters with black arrow abillity.

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And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

Remember how long it took before orcs could have a stand up posture afther several years of begging blizz because our leader thrall looks like that. So many argument can be made against alleria.. on that topic. I want to look like gallywix or even jaina.. you cant because they are the leaders.

[vagnar]

I had noticed, yeah. Low post count, no avatar, "Join date: Oct 2020", I can spot a troll from a mile away.

Regardless I decided to indulge you since I enjoy explaining things, even if people don't listen to me.

They intentionally designed her to look like a High Elf, not a Void Elf. That she says she "identifies" as a Void Elf and is their leader doesn't matter.

Void Elves have a certain design. It's purple hair colors, purple skin tones and weirdly glowing hair. You can create a character, that looks like a High Elf and say that's a void elf because lore blabla fallen naaru etc, but that doesn't change that she is a High Elf and looks nothing like a Void Elf.

I mean the obvious answer here is that she's an important lore character and people want to see the iconic Alleria look rather than have her look like a void elf, and when they first created her character model they didn't even have any intentions of having the void elves as a race for BFA.

So to use her appearance and point to that and say "look Void Elves can still look like pure High Elves" is highly dishonest.

[Wired-Lain]

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

Probably because Sylvanas is a banshee piloting an Elven corpse while Alleria is the prototype for the entire void elf race. Sylvanas does not share anything in common with the Forsaken besides being dead, Alleria and the Void Elves are biologically and supernaturally identical. Any quibbles over a minorly different orign story (which is moot now, we have to make more void elves somehow) are obtuse nitpicks.

Sylvanas is an Elven Dark Ranger that leads the human Forsaken. Alleria is an Elven Void Elf that leads the Void Elves. A better equivalence would be orc players asking for upright bodies so they can better resemble their leaders, like Thrall. Which they got.

Really hope we dont see any Blood Elf players asking for scars and tattoos then. We need to make sure Lor'themar and Rommath stay unique, as leaders yknow

[Varodoc]

They intentionally designed her to look like a High Elf, not a Void Elf. That she says she "identifies" as a Void Elf and is their leader doesn't matter.

Void Elves have a certain design. It's purple hair colors, purple skin tones and weirdly glowing hair. You can create a character, that looks like a High Elf and say that's a void elf because lore blabla fallen naaru etc, but that doesn't change that she is a High Elf and looks nothing like a Void Elf.

They intentionally designed her to look like a High elf because she's still a High elf when she first appears in Legion. Now she's a Void elf, since she consumed a dark naaru. This is stated directly in the official description of Shadows Rising.

Void elves have a certain design, indeed. They can have purple and dark skin. But they can also have fair skin, as they don't need to remain perpetually clouded in darkness. Masking your appearance is quite easy in the Warcraft universe, many people can just cast illusions on themselves to hide their true appearance. So No, it is entirely possible for a Void elf to disguise themselves as a fair-skin elf using magic.

And No, I don't feel like a High elf while playing my fair-skin Void elf. I mean, I could if I wanted to, but everyone refers to me as a Void elf, and I have Void spells as baseline racials, so No, I don't feel like a High elf at all, nor am I referred to as one by the people of the world.

Then again, I don't think you even have Void elves unlocked on your account. My advice: unlock them instead of wasting time trolling on the forums (by your own admission you are trolling). It shouldn't even take too long, I believe you only have to complete the Argus questline. Blizzard was so kind that they removed the reputation requirement!

[vagnar]

They intentionally designed her to look like a High elf because she's still a High elf when she first appears in Legion. Now she's a Void elf, since she consumed a dark naaru. This is stated directly in the official description of Shadows Rising.

Void elves have a certain design, indeed. They can have purple and dark skin. But they can also have fair skin, as they don't need to remain perpetually clouded in darkness. Masking your appearance is quite easy in the Warcraft universe, many people can just cast illusions on themselves to hide their true appearance. So No, it is entirely possible for a Void elf to disguise themselves as a fair-skin elf using magic.

And No, I don't feel like a High elf while playing my fair-skin Void elf. I mean, I could if I wanted to, but everyone refers to me as a Void elf, and I have Void spells as baseline racials, so No, I don't feel like a High elf at all, nor am I referred to as one by the people of the world.

Then again, I don't think you even have Void elves unlocked on your account. My advice: unlock them instead of wasting time trolling on the forums (by your own admission you are trolling). It shouldn't even take too long, I believe you only have to complete the Argus questline. Blizzard was so kind that they removed the reputation requirement!

I mean we're arguing about something that is based on shoddy lore to begin with.

What does it even mean to be a High Elf, Blood Elf or Void Elf? Is a Blood Elf Shadow Priest not also corrupted by the void?

Of course Alleria can be considered a Void Elf lorewise, but she looks like a High Elf 99% of the time when we see her, that's why I said I don't care about some book that says she identifies as something, because I don't respect the storytelling of Blizzard at this point anyway. It's highly inconsistent and illogical.

So really this argument has no point to it, and High Elves should be their own Allied Race and Void Elves should've never happened lorewise. The only thing they have to offer is a cute goth look.

[Varodoc]

I mean we're arguing about something that is based on shoddy lore to begin with.

What does it even mean to be a High Elf, Blood Elf or Void Elf? Is a Blood Elf Shadow Priest not also corrupted by the void?

Of course Alleria can be considered a Void Elf lorewise, but she looks like a High Elf 99% of the time when we see here, that's why I said I don't care about some book that says she identifies as something, because I don't respect the storytelling of Blizzard at this point anyway. It's highly inconsistent and illogical.

So really this argument has no point to it, and High Elves should be their own Allied Race and Void Elves should've never happened lorewise. The only thing they have to offer is a cute goth look.

That's cool, but I'm here to discuss Blizzard canon, not Vagnar's headcanon, so there's not much left to talk about between us.

Also, if you think Void elves have nothing to offer when the main storyline is heading towards a massive cosmic conflict, you need to rethink your considerations completely.

[vagnar]

That's cool, but I'm here to discuss Blizzard canon, not Vagnar's headcanon, so there's not much left to talk about between us.

I don't have headcanon. I'm just saying Blizzard's lore is illogical and contradictory, so it's worthless.

Also Blizzard's "canon" says you can't have blonde hair on your Void Elf characters.

Also, if you think Void elves have nothing to offer when the main storyline is heading towards a massive cosmic conflict, you need to rethink your considerations completely.

The fact that they are allowed to be around is making everyone an idiot. They are clearly dangerous and the powers they are meddling with are dangerous. The fact that Turalyon would allow Alleria to do such a thing makes him an absolute idiot.

I've lost interest in Blizzard's story. They are not good storytellers. Especially the ones currently in charge.

[Varodoc]

I don't have headcanon. I'm just saying Blizzard's lore is illogical and contradictory, so it's worthless.

Also Blizzard's "canon" says you can't have blonde hair on your Void Elf characters.

It's your headcanon to say Alleria is not a Void elf because she is pink when Blizzard literally calls her a Void elf. Considering the official canon "worthless" means stepping into headcanon.

And No, Blizzard canon doesn't say that at all. Show me where Blizzard said that Void elves can't have blonde hair. An option not being in the game yet does not mean it's not possible, that's so asinine. It just means it hasn't been put in the game yet, and it's easy to see why. All allied races have received either 0 or very few options, so it's not a surprise that for the moment the Void elves are lacking in new options in the hair department.

And tell me... Void elves can already have grey and silver hair, so why exactly would blonde hair be biologically impossible?

The fact that they are allowed to be around is making everyone an idiot. They are clearly dangerous and the powers they are meddling with are dangerous.

Like mages, warlocks, death knights, demon hunters, etc. Hell, the Visions of N'Zoth show that the people of Orgrimmar are just as susceptible to the whispers, so I guess that keeping the entire Horde around is also dangerous. Which I don't disagree with, but it's beside the point.

The fact that Turalyon would allow Alleria to do such a thing makes him an absolute idiot.

To do what? Use the Void? It was an incident, neither of them had a say in the matter. And besides, Turalyon is in NO position to stop Alleria from doing anything.

[vagnar]

It's your headcanon to say Alleria is not a Void elf because she is pink when Blizzard literally calls her a Void elf.

For all I care we can consider her a Void Elf and I'll concede the point.

Considering the official canon "worthless" means stepping into headcanon.

No, it means I just don't care anymore.

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And tell me... Void elves can already have grey and silver hair, so why exactly would blonde hair be biologically impossible?

Nothing is biologically impossible. It's not even a matter of biology, cause you can dye your hair. Gnomes have pink hair. Is that natural? Maybe. I don't even think Blizzard is thinking about this. Why doesn't every race have access to pink hair?

It's a stylistic choice made by Blizzard. They wanted Void Elves to look a certain way and that is all there is to it.

[Syegfryed]

You say that as if would be a bad thing? Why would more hair colors for everyone be bad?

it depends, im sure thing all colors in existence to everyone here seems reduldant but the main point here is how this also affect "equal" races.

Like dark iron and normal dwarves still have different set of color differeence, in skin and hair, same for other allied races, if void elves don't have skin difference, at least let he hair color be different.

"Every race is arbitrary limited by something" does not cut it when we are talking about lore here, and really doesn't either when gameplay has pretty much already made any differenciation moot.

So, you want void elves to essentially be 2 playable races? cause that is the thing, if you give then everything they will be blood elves and void elves

there must be a difference, and of course will be arbitrary, everything is.

"It makes sense darkening the hair due to void energies" no it freaking doesn't when skin car remain utterly unchanged. FFS, think about what you are saying and realize the utter lack of consistency.

their hair grow tentacles dude, do you see tentacles in their bodies? no, but you see in the hair, meaning the hair act different, you can hide your void energy in the skin, but it will show in the hair, so it does make sense

"We have to stop using leaders as something so crucial" See, that's why context is a thing; Sylvanas was an elf while playable undead are humans, Calia was risen by a completely different type of magic. Alleria and the rest of the Void Elves were changed by the same cosmic force, different manner, and if you say "well that justifies hair color, but only hair color!" Then I'm going to laugh at your face.

Alleria also is a different case, she ate a dark naaru, she didn't undergo the same ritual the other did, you are using double standarts here.

I'm sorry, but after VE's were giving the same skin tone and eye color than Alleria, any justification that the manner of voidification impacted appearance got thrown out of the window. All we have now is arbitrary distinction, and while that is entirely discretionary of the devs, it will be a cold day in hell before it makes for a good lore argument FFS.

Lore argument don't hold much ground anymore, so you can't keep using that as defining factory, yes it is a arbitrary distinction to set then apart, like they have done with all allied races, orcs and maghar have different haircolors and hairstyles, same for dark iron and the others, i can't fathom why void elves are better than everyone else to receive a better treatment and become 2 races in one.

And it make totally sense in a lore and design kind of way to make lighter colors to be exclusive to blood elves, since their relationship with the light and the sunwell, and make darker colors exclusive to Void elves. due to their void mutation, this way everyone feels unique in their own game and fantasy, while sharing the same shenanigans of high elves.

Like rly, you guys got the skin color, isn't that enough to rp HE anyway? talked so much about consensus but nothing will be ok until they got everything? a He isn't a HE until they got the legolas hair?

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Except for the fact that fair-skin is part of the Void elf identity.

This is the Void elf leader:



So please stop saying that Void elves can ONLY have dark skin options, because that's just not true. It's like saying that Forsaken can only be rotting human zombies, look at Sylvanas and tell me with a straight face that that's true.

There's no way around this. Alleria Windrunner is a Void elf who possesses fair skin options, and she is the Void elf leader nonetheless, she isn't some obscure character with no story relevance. I've been saying this for years, and finally Blizzard got the memo.

and those are the forsaken leaders



this is the current green orcs leader

so please stop saying just because your leader look one way your race have to too.

[Alanar]

Probably because Sylvanas is a banshee piloting an Elven corpse while Alleria is the prototype for the entire void elf race. Sylvanas does not share anything in common with the Forsaken besides being dead, Alleria and the Void Elves are biologically and supernaturally identical. Any quibbles over a minorly different orign story (which is moot now, we have to make more void elves somehow) are obtuse nitpicks.

Sylvanas is an Elven Dark Ranger that leads the human Forsaken. Alleria is an Elven Void Elf that leads the Void Elves. A better equivalence would be orc players asking for upright bodies so they can better resemble their leaders, like Thrall. Which they got.

Really hope we dont see any Blood Elf players asking for scars and tattoos then. We need to make sure Lor'themar and Rommath stay unique, as leaders yknow

The cloth system lorthe mar uses and the way he hair moves is unique to him.. what am I saying hes whole armor is unique.. The scar is only a small part. We can have 1 blind eye already.

There are many examples of racial leaders not looking like players.. its intentional.