Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

So, you want void elves to essentially be 2 playable races? cause that is the thing, if you give then everything they will be blood elves and void elves

there must be a difference, and of course will be arbitrary, everything is.

I agree with you. I think the void elves should remain different from the blood elves for 2 reasons : first to not upset more Horde players, and second to add more iconic differences to this race, rather than simply make them the Alliance version of blood elves.

That's precisely why I'm not really asking for blond hairs but white/light blue and pale pink instead.

Give us also blue tattoos like Alleria and an option to set on/off tentacules and it'll be fine.

[Varodoc]

They'll get blonde and more hair colours anyway. Once allied races receive the same amount of customization overhauls that core races did.

[Vaedan]

it depends, im sure thing all colors in existence to everyone here seems reduldant but the main point here is how this also affect "equal" races.

Like dark iron and normal dwarves still have different set of color differeence, in skin and hair, same for other allied races, if void elves don't have skin difference, at least let he hair color be different.



So, you want void elves to essentially be 2 playable races? cause that is the thing, if you give then everything they will be blood elves and void elves

there must be a difference, and of course will be arbitrary, everything is.




their hair grow tentacles dude, do you see tentacles in their bodies? no, but you see in the hair, meaning the hair act different, you can hide your void energy in the skin, but it will show in the hair, so it does make sense



Alleria also is a different case, she ate a dark naaru, she didn't undergo the same ritual the other did, you are using double standarts here.



Lore argument don't hold much ground anymore, so you can't keep using that as defining factory, yes it is a arbitrary distinction to set then apart, like they have done with all allied races, orcs and maghar have different haircolors and hairstyles, same for dark iron and the others, i can't fathom why void elves are better than everyone else to receive a better treatment and become 2 races in one.

And it make totally sense in a lore and design kind of way to make lighter colors to be exclusive to blood elves, since their relationship with the light and the sunwell, and make darker colors exclusive to Void elves. due to their void mutation, this way everyone feels unique in their own game and fantasy, while sharing the same shenanigans of high elves.

Like rly, you guys got the skin color, isn't that enough to rp HE anyway? talked so much about consensus but nothing will be ok until they got everything? a He isn't a HE until they got the legolas hair?

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and those are the forsaken leaders



this is the current green orcs leader

so please stop saying just because your leader look one way your race have to too.

Calia is actually not Forsaken leader as was stated in Shadow's Rising. She is kind of advisor for Voss who seems to be the one who will probably lead Forsaken in the future.

[Edoll]

I wonder what the next tantrum will be about.

Will people fight over whether a hair color is blonde or light tan or gold?

Or maybe it’ll be about the high elf NPCs with purple eyes! “You can’t be a male high elf because your eyes are blue, not purple! Only women can be high elves!”

[Alanar]

Calia is actually not Forsaken leader as was stated in Shadow's Rising. She is kind of advisor for Voss who seems to be the one who will probably lead Forsaken in the future.

She still a representive and new people who will start out as forsaken and see her..(if they like her look) will ask to look like her.. wich is the point: you cant.

Same counts for gallywix.. sylvanas etc etc.

[Ielenia]

man I really don't care

Then why are you here, if you "really don't care"?

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And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

Forsaken players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas because their leader is a different race than the players. Forsaken players are humans, Sylvanas is a blood elf.

Blood elf players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas because she is an undead. Blood elf players are living elves, Sylvanas is an undead elf.

Not a hard concept to grasp, I hope.

[vagnar]

Then why are you here, if you "really don't care"?

I don't care about lore justifications from a team that isn't good at telling stories

I care about being able to play as a High Elf

I mean quoting me you must have realized what I meant when I said "I really don't care"

Don't just rip things out of content to attack people needlessly, it's very dishonest

[Vaedan]

She still a representive and also new people who will join and see her..(if they like her look) will ask to look like her.. wich is the point: you cant.

Same could be said for Nathanos after he got his new model in Legion, but I don't recall that much requests for this appearance from Horde community... but I agree this argument is valid.

On the other hand, Blizz never talked about similar options for playable undead. Same can't be said for high elf options for void elves and also blood elves lately. Devs already teased us they intend to expand high elf fantasy on both factions, so odds of blonde (or any natural hair color) hair for void elves is extremely more likely then creating set of new models for undeads.

[Ielenia]

They intentionally designed her to look like a High Elf, not a Void Elf. That she says she "identifies" as a Void Elf and is their leader doesn't matter.

Void Elves have a certain design. It's purple hair colors, purple skin tones and weirdly glowing hair. You can create a character, that looks like a High Elf and say that's a void elf because lore blabla fallen naaru etc, but that doesn't change that she is a High Elf and looks nothing like a Void Elf.

I mean the obvious answer here is that she's an important lore character and people want to see the iconic Alleria look rather than have her look like a void elf, and when they first created her character model they didn't even have any intentions of having the void elves as a race for BFA.

So to use her appearance and point to that and say "look Void Elves can still look like pure High Elves" is highly dishonest.

She is a void elf because she identifies as one, and because she really is one.

And we can point at her appearance and say "look Void Elves can still look like pure High Elves" because she is a void elf, and we witnessed her final transformation.

The OG void elves' transformation was caused by a magical trap that intended to transform them into thralls of the void lords but got interrupted in the middle. Alleria's transformation was a controlled process.

Why do people act as if new void elves are being created by using the "interrupted trap" method that transformed the OG void elves, and not the safer method used by Locus Walker and Alleria?

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I don't care about lore justifications from a team that isn't good at telling stories

If you don't care about lore justifications from the team that writes the lore when you are discussing the lore then it feels you're arguing for arguing's sake.

Don't just rip things out of content to attack people needlessly, it's very dishonest

"Rip things out of context'? That was your entire post. You went on a tirade on how "Alleria is a high elf not a void elf" and then you went the immature way out of "I don't care" when you were told that the official canon states she is a void elf.

[Alanar]

Same could be said for Nathanos after he got his new model in Legion, but I don't recall that much requests for this appearance from Horde community... but I agree this argument is valid.

On the other hand, Blizz never talked about similar options for playable undead. Same can't be said for high elf options for void elves and also blood elves lately. Devs already teased us they intend to expand high elf fantasy on both factions, so odds of blonde (or any natural hair color) hair for void elves is extremely more likely then creating set of new models for undeads.

The request for a Nathanos type of undead were defo out there in threads, maybe not as popular as sylvanas back in the day, but when he received that new model the interest was there for sure.

Yea I have to agree with sygefred here altho hes on ignore lol. If you give those colors to void elves you basically have 2 blood elves races, which is not realy fair. I would suggest some mixed colors or more pale like. Keep the void in void elves and dont make a blood elf 2.0.

[vagnar]

She is a void elf because she identifies as one, and because she really is one.

And we can point at her appearance and say "look Void Elves can still look like pure High Elves" because she is a void elf, and we witnessed her final transformation.

The OG void elves' transformation was caused by a magical trap that intended to transform them into thralls of the void lords but got interrupted in the middle. Alleria's transformation was a controlled process.

Why do people act as if new void elves are being created by using the "interrupted trap" method that transformed the OG void elves, and not the safer method used by Locus Walker and Alleria?

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If you don't care about lore justifications from the team that writes the lore when you are discussing the lore then it feels you're arguing for arguing's sake.


"Rip things out of context'? That was your entire post. You went on a tirade on how "Alleria is a high elf not a void elf" and then you went the immature way out of "I don't care" when you were told that the official canon states she is a void elf.

I've already conceded the point. I still disagree and still see her as a High Elf, but it's my way of saying, you're right, and I have my peace. I don't see a point in discussing this.

[Ielenia]

She still a representive and new people who will start out as forsaken and see her..(if they like her look) will ask to look like her.. wich is the point: you cant.

Same counts for gallywix.. sylvanas etc etc.

That argument is valid for Calia and Gallywix, and even Nathanos.

But not for Sylvanas.

Sylvanas is a different race than the forsaken player characters, and a whole different entity altogether. The forsaken players are basically self-aware zombies, while Sylvanas is a banshee inhabiting her dead body. And on top of that, Sylvanas is an elf while the forsaken players are humans.

[vagnar]

"Rip things out of context'? That was your entire post. You went on a tirade on how "Alleria is a high elf not a void elf" and then you went the immature way out of "I don't care" when you were told that the official canon states she is a void elf.

And again you rip things out of context.

You asked my why I am here if I "don't care". And I answered it.

You're doing it intentionally because you are looking for a confrontation and you want to annoy people.

[Alanar]

That argument is valid for Calia and Gallywix, and even Nathanos.

But not for Sylvanas.

Sylvanas is a different race than the forsaken player characters, and a whole different entity altogether. The forsaken players are basically self-aware zombies, while Sylvanas is a banshee inhabiting her dead body. And on top of that, Sylvanas is an elf while the forsaken players are humans.

People still wanted to look like her... thats the point.
So why isnt that valid? She might be a differnt race, but she was still a character many poeple looked up to and wanted her looks. Idk why it matters that she is a undead high elf. For undead its.. weird since looking at the lore many forsaken are suppose to be high elves anyway. So the question would be why isnt that option available.

[Vaedan]

The request for a Nathanos type of undead were defo out there in threads, maybe not as popular as sylvanas back in the day, but when he received that new model the interest was there for sure.

Yea I have to agree with sygefred here altho hes on ignore lol. If you give those colors to void elves you basically have 2 blood elves races, which is not realy fair. I would suggest some mixed colors or more pale like. Keep the void in void elves and dont make a blood elf 2.0.

Well, yes, I noticed some people requesting Nathanos look, but these were not really so popular. The thing is, there will be always people demanding basically anything which is non-playable to be made playable. People asked for ogres, vrykul, tuskarr, murlocs, jinyiu, gilblin and numerous other options. It doesn't mean Blizz have to implement these only because few people want it. They better keep focused on meaningful requests.

To be honest, I don't actually like the idea of copying all color pallete from blood elves to void elves either. I'd settle with black color, since void elf NPCs already have that option and specificaly black hair should be an option for goth styled race. I also want white hair option, since that color is available on all races except void elves, so it's hardly color associated strongly with blood elves, like red or blonde. At the end of the day, if void elves won't get any new hair colors, I'd be just fine with options they have now. Grey, silver and several shades of blue are enough for me.

I'm more interested in new hairstyles though. Again, I don't think Blizz should just copy all blood elf hairstyles to void elves. There are few hairstyles blood elves are sharing with humans, night elves and draenei, so I wouldn't mind seeing these hairstyles open for void elves too.

[Ielenia]

People still wanted to look like her... thats the point.

Yeah, but "wanting" it doesn't mean it can or even that it should be done. We're talking about completely different races, here. The forsaken player race is comprised of Lordaeron humans. That's kind of like me wanting my lightforged draenei to look like a human because of Turalyon.

So why isnt that valid? She might be a differnt race, but she was still a character many poeple looked up to and wanted her looks. Idk why it matters that she is a undead high elf. For undead its.. weird since looking at the lore many forsaken are suppose to be high elves anyway. So the question would be why isnt that option available.

You said it yourself: she is a different race. Not just while living (elf vs human) but also while undead (banshee vs zombie).

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And again you rip things out of context.

You asked my why I am here if I "don't care". And I answered it.

You're doing it intentionally because you are looking for a confrontation and you want to annoy people.

I asked why you are here arguing official lore when you stated you didn't care what the official lore states.

[Syegfryed]

Forsaken players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas because their leader is a different race than the players. Forsaken players are humans, Sylvanas is a blood elf.

Blood elf players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas because she is an undead. Blood elf players are living elves, Sylvanas is an undead elf.

Not a hard concept to grasp, I hope.

funny, and his come to the previous arguments of how Alleria isn't a void elf, but a high elf, so, why should void elves get her look? or this argument is dropped and people finally accept she is a void elf?

Forsaken was always about a faction of undead, see how it is "forsaken" and not "undead humans" in the race screen, it was not just about humans at all, we saw several other undeads being forsaken, include elves

If void elves can look like high elves, despite being void elves and not high elves, AKA, another race, why the forsaken can't pick from the different races the forsaken are made?

yeah because just because the leader look one way you don't have to look like that.

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Calia is actually not Forsaken leader as was stated in Shadow's Rising. She is kind of advisor for Voss who seems to be the one who will probably lead Forsaken in the future.

Calia is a co-leader and will be the defacto leader later on, she is a authority figure and still forsaken can't look like that, neither like their previous Leaders Like Nathanos and Sylvanas, so this is not rly a vallid point.

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I wonder what the next tantrum will be about.

What other options blood elves have that void elves don't? that will be

probably paladins too later

[Ardenaso]

And yet to this day forsaken (or blood elf) players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas, who was their racial leader for 15 years or so. Void elves have been around for only 2 years and yet the entitlement level that they should look like Alleria is jaw dropping. The PC doesn't always get to look like leaders, leaders often have unique features to distinguish them from your "average joe".

that's why we need to push for Dark Rangers and San'layn for Forsaken!

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Probably because Sylvanas is a banshee piloting an Elven corpse while Alleria is the prototype for the entire void elf race. Sylvanas does not share anything in common with the Forsaken besides being dead

Dark Rangers are Forsaken. Forsaken is all things free willed undead

[Alanar]

Yeah, but "wanting" it doesn't mean it can or even that it should be done. We're talking about completely different races, here. The forsaken player race is comprised of Lordaeron humans. That's kind of like me wanting my lightforged draenei to look like a human because of Turalyon.


You said it yourself: she is a different race. Not just while living (elf vs human) but also while undead (banshee vs zombie).

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I asked why you are here arguing official lore when you stated you didn't care what the official lore states.

But I dont get why that is an issue for the point that was made. You keep telling me she is a differnt race, but it doesnt matter in that people always want to look like their leader. She is forsaken.. same as what you play.. a forsaken. The request by players to look.like her was and still is polular.

Your example of a dreanei to look like a human is somewhat extreme.. and sylvanas has been their leader for 15 years and the player was never able to look like her.
So in that case your argument is true that the player was never able to get that look.

In vanilla she used a night elf model.. the request came when she got her own unqiue model in wrath I believe.

About sylvanas.. well you can get a whole discussion on that she is still forsaken and most of the scourge who broke free had alot of elves. So you can even ask the question why we never had the option to be an undead elf in that sense. I mean are they called undead humans? I see your point, but I dissagree.

[vagnar]

I asked why you are here arguing official lore when you stated you didn't care what the official lore states.

I didn't come here to argue lore, it was thrown at me. I then conceded the point so I didn't have to argue it.