Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Strippling]

Shhh, it's too late. I got my fair skin options. Deal with it.

I have

I already said that I think Blood elves should get Dark Ranger options like Sylvanas, so I don't know what you want from me.

Till they do, void elves should take a back seat. And even then I still don't agree with them getting options that'd make them closer to blood elves. Just my personal opinion. If they do, so be it. But ideally I'd hope that void elves and blood elves are at the the very least differentiated by their hair.

If you're so bothered by this great injustice, send a tweet to Blizzard.

I have

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Probably because Sylvanas is a banshee piloting an Elven corpse while Alleria is the prototype for the entire void elf race. Sylvanas does not share anything in common with the Forsaken besides being dead, Alleria and the Void Elves are biologically and supernaturally identical. Any quibbles over a minorly different orign story (which is moot now, we have to make more void elves somehow) are obtuse nitpicks.

Sylvanas is an Elven Dark Ranger that leads the human Forsaken. Alleria is an Elven Void Elf that leads the Void Elves. A better equivalence would be orc players asking for upright bodies so they can better resemble their leaders, like Thrall. Which they got.

Really hope we dont see any Blood Elf players asking for scars and tattoos then. We need to make sure Lor'themar and Rommath stay unique, as leaders yknow

Blood elves have been playable since TBC and still don't have some options that their leaders have. Goblins can't look like Gallywix, humans don't have access to certain looks that their leaders have, night elves can't quite look like Malfurion, gnomes don't get a mechasuit like Gelbin, the list goes on. And all these races have been playable much much longer than void elves. So firstly, get in the back of the line. And secondly, a blood elf with farstrider tattoos, runic markings and scars would only be consistent with their aesthetic and theme. A void elf with blonde hair is not consistent with their theme... the void. It's like asking blizzard to give Mag'har orcs a green skin option.

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Then why are you here, if you "really don't care"?

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Forsaken players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas because their leader is a different race than the players. Forsaken players are humans, Sylvanas is a blood elf.

Blood elf players cannot make their characters look like Sylvanas because she is an undead. Blood elf players are living elves, Sylvanas is an undead elf.

Not a hard concept to grasp, I hope.

Alleria is a different type of void elf to the playable void elf. No different.

[Varodoc]

yeap, here's how I see it:

Alleria: most perfect Void Elf because has the total control of void given she can transform back to a "high elf"

First generation Void Elves: t(a)inted by Durzaan's void juice, the imperfect void user prototype; around only 90% control because skin condition is permanent

Second generation Void Elves: (most seemingly) learned to harness the void without having to risk themselves what Umbric fell to: we ain't seen nothing yet atm but they can do what Alleria can do hopefully

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and yes I'd like the Forsaken to extend from just Lordaeronians to Thalassians, Stromics, Orcs, Trolls, and Dalarani. Nothing wrong with putting up zombie Orc as a Forsaken IMO

also Lightforged from just Draenei to a collective umbrella which hopefully also does a model toggle for Humans and Dwarves

I don't see why the skin condition should be permanent. Even if it were, that doesn't negate the option for fair skin anyway.

A Void elf with fair skin could just be a Void elf who is using magic to conceal their true appearance. Do you know how Palpatine in Star Wars is using Sith alchemy to conceal his true appearance? Or how King Thranduil in the The Hobbit is using magic to conceal his scar? That's how I headcanon fair skin Void elves away. They are simply using illusory magic to appear as fair-skin elves, thus concealing their true, shadowy form from the public. I think this is how Alleria's magic works too. It's not that she has two forms, it's that she can conceal her true form (her Void form) through illusion magic.

It's easy to see why the Ren'dorei would do this. The Void makes the common people uneasy. It would be preferable to mask your true appearance, if you are a twisted Void user.

[Strippling]

that's why we need to push for Dark Rangers and San'layn for Forsaken!

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I've made the request for dark ranger options, along with farstrider tattoos for blood elves, runic markings, some braided hair options, purple eyes and feather options.

The requests have been made, it's up to Blizzard to follow through with them or not.

[Rhlor]

This thread is the worst thing to ever happen to MMO-Champ, it's cancer and I can't help but feel unsettling white supremacist sentiment from some of the posters.

Let's be honest, you were one of the promoters that gave rise to this thread. there is a supremacist bias in high elves alliance posters that is from the beginning.

Anyone who is on this forum and has read these high elves topics on the SoL forum have read things like "high elves are pure". when someone talks about purity you already have to start to suspect.

Now many speak of "normal hair, natural hair" you and I know that they are not talking about black or brown and very probably to a much lesser extent they are interested in red, but when they say those things they are talking about blonde.

for my part I know that there are supremacists that is obvious on two occasions they banned someone who in addition to complaining about not having high elves as a whole race said that the West is bla bla bla shit fascists.

[Strippling]

True. However, Alleria is the exact same race as the people she commands, whereas Sylvanas is not the same race as the people she commands. Or commanded.

Gallywix is the exact same race as playable goblins yet goblin players still don't have the option to look like him. Your argument is weak. As it stands, the PC doesn't always get to look like their leaders. Leaders are often made to look different so that they can "stand out".

Plus, blonde hair does not fit with the theme of playable void elves. Their theme is a dark pallete, so I'd expect a pure black hair option and maybe some dark browns, and even a pure white to contrast the void. But blondes, reds, browns, ginger, (ie natural colors) certainly do not fit the theme of the race.

[Rhlor]

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I've made the request for dark ranger options, along with farstrider tattoos for blood elves, runic markings, some braided hair options, purple eyes and feather options.

The requests have been made, it's up to Blizzard to follow through with them or not.

undead is not the theme of blood elves, undead elves are forsaken

[Ielenia]

They are classified as a Race in wow, what is your point? you are making it an issue. It never was you quoted me.

"Playable race" and "actual race" are two very different things.

Most were risen as Banshees, or straight up risen later. You played warcraft 3 by any chance? did you notice all the differnt kind of undead there were around. The forsaken dont excist just out of lorderean humans.. jesus christ man.

Except... they are. The player forsaken is a Lordaeron human. You literally start by climbing out of your grave in Lordaeron.

Good job finding couple of extra lines, my point still stands strong and what is your point?

Those "couple of extra lines" completely invalidates your quote-mining. The majority of the forsaken are human, because the forsaken are Lordaeron humans and the rest are just aggregates.

It does matter silly, saying that now is funny to me. Makes it also clear you weren't there to see how fanatic people were on getting those options. It was just one example and still means something if you look at today characters. I am just not following you, you are 1 not making much sense and 2 making assumptions about my logic which is cute, but even if it happend in the past it's still in todays talk, but then with differnt characters. The brown skin color threads are dead now yes, because we got it..obviously.. and Dark rangers aka Sylvanas are suddenly not a thing anymore?

You quoted my question, and yet you completely failed to answer it. I'll repeat: so what if the Mag'har orcs weren't playable back then? They're playable now.

Once again what? may? she was for 15 years the leader of this group that broke free from the scourge that she kept together and eventually formed silly.

Once again:the time she spent in command of the forsaken is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if she's been their leader for fifteen minutes or fifteen years. It doesn't change the fact that Sylvanas is an elf banshee and the player forsaken is a zombie human.

No one cares if she is not human? that was never a question.

Then you're tossing basic logic out the window. It doesn't matter if you or others don't care she's not human. It's an important and meaningful detail that cannot be brushed aside.

Stop trying to grab on the Tyralyon thing.. it doesn't make it any better.

You mean you can't argue against it.

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Draenei is just a name for 'Exiles', so you could just as easily say it's a group too. Their race is Eredar, despite that name being used primarily for the demonic race within the Burning Legion. Sounds like a lot of semantics, to be honest.

Yes, 'draenei' is just a name for the playable group of eredar. What's your point?

Your reasonings of why it's unlikely are bogus because they're all based on fluid lore that is ever-changing, especially when it concerns races and customization. If Lore was immutable, then Wildhammers would not have been a part of the Dwarf options since Dark Irons get their own Allied Race. Wildhammers are supposed to be taller than Bronzebeards, and should have their own race options, but right now they're all effectively folded into the Ironforge Dwarf customization.

You're comparing a slight difference in height to a completely different body type, here. Wildhammer dwarves are easy to add to the Bronzebeard dwarf player customization because both are dwarves. But Sylvanas is an elf while the player forsaken is a human. And it messes the visual identity of the race.

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Alleria is a different type of void elf to the playable void elf. No different.

Solely due to the process she has undergone.

A process, mind you, that is safely repeatable since Locus Walker has explicitly said that Alleria is not his first student.

A process, mind you, because it is safely repeatable, is the logical step forward to convert elves into void elves.

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Gallywix is the exact same race as playable goblins yet goblin players still don't have the option to look like him.

Probably because people have never asked to play as a fat goblin? At least I don't remember seeing anyone asking for it.

Your argument is weak.

It's not, but you're welcome to your opinion. Not that you have disproven my argument in any way.

As it stands, the PC doesn't always get to look like their leaders. Leaders are often made to look different so that they can "stand out".

That's not the point. The point is people's requests.

Plus, blonde hair does not fit with the theme of playable void elves.

Maybe. But irrelevant since that was never my claim. But by that same token, black and blue hair colors don't fit the theme of the playable blood elves, but here we are, right?

[Strippling]

undead is not the theme of blood elves, undead elves are forsaken

Make em a forsaken option then, I have no problems there. The issue though is that there are several races that do not have customization options that allow them to look like their racial leaders. I was merely pointing this out to those who think void elves should be given special treatment that has not been afforded to players of other races who cannot quite look like their racial leaders.

Racial leaders often look different to the PC and this is intentional by blizzard.

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Solely due to the process she has undergone.

A process, mind you, that is safely repeatable since Locus Walker has explicitly said that Alleria is not his first student.

A process, mind you, because it is safely repeatable, is the logical step forward to convert elves into void elves.

Until this is shown in game or detailed to us by Blizzard then what you just posted is irrelevant and merely pure speculation (that the playable void elf can or has undergone the same transformation as Alleria). As it currently stands, void elves are created via a different method than Alleria. Despite their different transformation they are all called "rendorei" though, which means "children of the void". So, any playable void elf is a child of the void and their aesthetics should reflect their thematic.

[Triceron]

You're comparing a slight difference in height to a completely different body type, here. Wildhammer dwarves are easy to add to the Bronzebeard dwarf player customization because both are dwarves. But Sylvanas is an elf while the player forsaken is a human. And it messes the visual identity of the race.

Which is all irrelevant.

The only point is whether or not the designers find it feasible to do, and whether they want to or not. They player forsaken can be literally whatever they want it to be.

Granted we don't have many races who have two separate looks to them, this isn't to say that they wouldn't ever do something like this. Visual identity is not an issue when Orcs can be upright, if Void Elves can be pink skinned and look extremely similar to Blood Elves, if Worgen have a non-combat form that is exactly a Human, etc.

No one is gonna bat an eye at undead Elves being used as a forsaken model if they open that option. The designers have relaxed a LOT when it comes to any visual identity of any particular race, to the point where they are opening up tons of customization options that blur those lines. This is not an issue at all now.

I think personally it would make more sense if they simply make a new allied race out of an Elf option, but for arguments sake if they're allowing forsaken with no bones and Orcs without hunches and Elves on both factions then the whole silhouette/visual identity argument is literally out the window.

At this point, we're like a few steps away from having body sliders options as the next customization option.

[Lumineus]

white supremacist

Gaslight all you want, it's not gonna make more people like your diaper gnomes.

[Ardenaso]

I don't see why the skin condition should be permanent. Even if it were, that doesn't negate the option for fair skin anyway.

A Void elf with fair skin could just be a Void elf who is using magic to conceal their true appearance. Do you know how Palpatine in Star Wars is using Sith alchemy to conceal his true appearance? Or how King Thranduil in the The Hobbit is using magic to conceal his scar? That's how I headcanon fair skin Void elves away. They are simply using illusory magic to appear as fair-skin elves, thus concealing their true, shadowy form from the public. I think this is how Alleria's magic works too. It's not that she has two forms, it's that she can conceal her true form (her Void form) through illusion magic.

It's easy to see why the Ren'dorei would do this. The Void makes the common people uneasy. It would be preferable to mask your true appearance, if you are a twisted Void user.

but if Umbric and co. could do it then they would have done it already much earlier like when they're casual in Stormwind or some war camps

[Syegfryed]

What hypocrisy? All I see is you trying to pass their opinions as my own. That's very dishonest of you. And a big misrepresentation of my position.

you are just projecting as always

It's not double-standards. We don't know the process that creates the PLAYER void elf character. Either way, we have two options:

it is double standrts yes, cause no matter what the process is, and how the process takes effect, it i not by eating a dark naary, so again, pointless double standart

Whereas with Sylvanas and the forsaken player, we have two entities that were different races BEFORE their conversion. Sylvanas and the forsaken player character were an elf and a human while living, respectively.

It's not rocket science.

they are still forsaken nevertheless, that died by the scourge, they are more the same than void elves and alleria and yet they can't play an elf forsaken, again, double standarts

That's not the issue. The issue is that this completely changes the character's silhouette and model.

try to tell me this matters when the character silhoutte and model is shared by different races of different races. and try to tell me the issue it would have in the same faction that does not have in different faction, i challnge you

It has nothing to do with "amount of work required" and more like messing with the visual identity of the player race.

like giving void elves another race customizations? and asking all of then that completely mess up their identity making then virtually 2 different races? see the double standarts?

That's like saying we should give player customization to the human race to make them as short and as bulky as the dwarves. Or make orcs be able to be taller and much lankier like trolls.

those are false equivalences since forsaken is a name for the faction of undeads, so, any undead there would be in the game logic

Sylvanas being a forsaken or not is irrelevant because "forsaken" is not a race, it's a group. Just like Argent Dawn, the Ebon Blade and the Cenarion Circle.

thats why forsaken should be able to play like their leader too

Nathanos and Calia is highly unlikely to ever happen considering that those are human models,

But forsakens are not human undead? why they can't, but void elves can?

Wouldn't that just make the two the exact same race even more than they already are?

now you see the problem? making void elves the exact same race that we already have?

[Ielenia]

you are just projecting as always

Projecting? Dude, I literally never stated any of the opinions you are arguing against in our conversation. You're attributing them to me when I never made those statements.

it is double standrts yes, cause no matter what the process is, and how the process takes effect, it i not by eating a dark naary, so again, pointless double standart

How do you know that? As a fact? You don't? If so, then you're stating your headcanon as fact, then. And also, you're taking it literally. When I say "the same process Alleria went through, I do not mean the very exact 100% same process, but a similar, created and overseen by Locus Walker. You know, the guy who knows this stuff?

they are still forsaken nevertheless, that died by the scourge, they are more the same than void elves and alleria and yet they can't play an elf forsaken, again, double standarts

No. No, they're not the same, or even close to being the same. They have only one thing in common, which is the curse of undeath. And even that is arguable considering Sylvanas is a banshee while the player forsaken is a zombie. Once again: forsaken is not a race. It's a group.

try to tell me this matters when the character silhoutte and model is shared by different races of different races. and try to tell me the issue it would have in the same faction that does not have in different faction, i challnge you

Challenge? This isn't even a challenge. Draenei have the same silhouette as draenei. Dwarves have the same silhouette as dwarves. Thalassian elves have the same silhouette as thalassian elves. Highborne elves have the same silhouette as highborne elves. Whereas humans do not have the same silhouette as thalassian elves.

You know. Basic logic?

like giving void elves another race customizations? and asking all of then that completely mess up their identity making then virtually 2 different races? see the double standarts?

Again, no double standards. Read above.

those are false equivalences since forsaken is a name for the faction of undeads, so, any undead there would be in the game logic

And Army of the Light is the name of the faction of draenei that fought the Legion for thousands of years.

thats why forsaken should be able to play like their leader too

Again: the forsaken player is a human who lived and died in a human kingdom. Elves did not live in Lordaeron, at least nowhere near the numbers to allow them to be playable.

But forsakens are not human undead? why they can't, but void elves can?

Why are you so damn dishonest? You literally cut off the part of the paragraph that answers your dumb question:

Nathanos and Calia is highly unlikely to ever happen considering that those are human models, and orcs and humans are the Warcraft's faces. I doubt we'll see human models on the Horde just like I doubt we'll ever see orc models on the Alliance.

Humans are the face of the Alliance. Just like orcs are the face of the Horde.

now you see the problem? making void elves the exact same race that we already have?

Not the same thing. First, because the two are in opposite factions. Second, because unlike orcs and mag'har orcs, both are the exact same race. Third, because unlike orcs, which we have never seen a green-skinned orc become brown-skinned, or a green-skinned orc family have a brown-skinned off-spring, we do have undeniable proof that a fair-skinned elf can become a fair-skinned void elf.

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Until this is shown in game or detailed to us by Blizzard then what you just posted is irrelevant and merely pure speculation (that the playable void elf can or has undergone the same transformation as Alleria). As it currently stands, void elves are created via a different method than Alleria. Despite their different transformation they are all called "rendorei" though, which means "children of the void". So, any playable void elf is a child of the void and their aesthetics should reflect their thematic.

>> States "until it is shown in-game it is all speculation".
>> States speculation as fact despite it not being shown in-game.

The lack of self-awareness is astounding. Dude, you literally just contradicted yourself completely in a single paragraph. You can't eat your cake and still have it. Your assertion that "void elves are created via a different method than Alleria" is just as much speculation as mine.

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Which is all irrelevant.

The only point is whether or not the designers find it feasible to do, and whether they want to or not. They player forsaken can be literally whatever they want it to be.

This is a non-answer. Saying "if the developers want to do it they will do it" is meaningless because it doesn't answer the question. Can they do it? Of course they can. That was never in question. The question is: should they do it?

To which then we have all the reasons against that idea: visual identity of the race, the fact that humans are the face of the Alliance, the fact that all forsaken players are humans since they come from a human kingdom, etc, etc.

No one is gonna bat an eye at undead Elves being used as a forsaken model if they open that option.

How do you know that?

[Triceron]

This is a non-answer. Saying "if the developers want to do it they will do it" is meaningless because it doesn't answer the question. Can they do it? Of course they can. That was never in question. The question is: should they do it?

To which then we have all the reasons against that idea: visual identity of the race, the fact that humans are the face of the Alliance, the fact that all forsaken players are humans since they come from a human kingdom, etc, etc.


How do you know that?

Because its literally a non issue.

Why would it be an issue? Why would confusing an undead elf matter at all?

Visual identity is already muddled within your own faction by means of subraces. Are you fighting a Maghar in full armor, or is it an Orc? You can't tell at all if they wear full armor, and frankly it doesn't matter.

Your lore reasoning is already failed you considering you already acknowledge Forsaken as a GROUP that includes Elves amongst their ranks. If Blizzard were to make that a visual reality because fans really want them to, then there's no reason against it.

Your reasons of lore representing Forsaken as humans is as bogus as me saying Dwarf only represents Bronzebeard Dwarves. Blizzard says otherwise.

The lore already has Forsaken as a group that includes more than just humans amongst their ranks, and this was established as far back as Warcraft 3. Banshees and Dark Rangers were among the Forsaken, Dark Rangers were again brought back into the Forsaken in Shadowlands. This is undeniable even to today.

The question is absolutely if they SHOULD do it because thats what people are discussing and what you are vehemently arguing against. It isn't a binary answer of yes or no, and by all means not one driven by lore.

[Strippling]

The lack of self-awareness is astounding. Dude, you literally just contradicted yourself completely in a single paragraph. You can't eat your cake and still have it. Your assertion that "void elves are created via a different method than Alleria" is just as much speculation as mine.

You do realize that the void elf starting experience literally shows us how the playable void elf underwent a completely different transformation to Alleria? No where is it stated that they are now transforming via different means. It's merely speculation that perhaps the wayfarers and scholars are undergoing a transformation similar to Alleria's, it is no where stated or shown to us to actually be the case. So, like I said, as it stands the playable void elf has undergone a different transformation to Alleria. So, Alleria is a different type of void elf to the playable ones but they both refer to themselves as Rendorei which means "children on the void".

You are a muppet.

[Rhlor]

Make em a forsaken option then, I have no problems there. The issue though is that there are several races that do not have customization options that allow them to look like their racial leaders. I was merely pointing this out to those who think void elves should be given special treatment that has not been afforded to players of other races who cannot quite look like their racial leaders.

Racial leaders often look different to the PC and this is intentional by blizzard.

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Until this is shown in game or detailed to us by Blizzard then what you just posted is irrelevant and merely pure speculation (that the playable void elf can or has undergone the same transformation as Alleria). As it currently stands, void elves are created via a different method than Alleria. Despite their different transformation they are all called "rendorei" though, which means "children of the void". So, any playable void elf is a child of the void and their aesthetics should reflect their thematic.

light undead like calia for forsaken allied race

[Goldielocks]

The lack of self-awareness is astounding. Dude, you literally just contradicted yourself completely in a single paragraph. You can't eat your cake and still have it. Your assertion that "void elves are created via a different method than Alleria" is just as much speculation as mine.

Yeah okay but you can't seriously be suggesting that the same method producing two different results is something worth considering. The notion is absurd lmao

[Ielenia]

You do realize that the void elf starting experience literally shows us how the playable void elf underwent a completely different transformation to Alleria?

Really? Where is this happening? I've gone through the entire Telogrus Rift, and didn't see any void elf being created. Only high/blood elves standing around, and void elves ALREADY created.

No where is it stated that they are now transforming via different means.

If you want to go that way, "no where it is stated that they are NOT transforming via different means", and applying a little bit of basic logic here, we can agree that new elves are created though a different process than the one that transformed Umbric's group.

And considering Locus Walker is there, once again, logic dictates that it's much more likely that the new void elves are being created through Locus Walker's teachings, considering he is quite adept at such.

So, like I said, as it stands the playable void elf has undergone a different transformation to Alleria.

And like I said, you're being a hypocrite because you're stating your headcanon as fact while berating me for offering my headcanon as a possibility.

You are a muppet.

Insults. The last resort of those without arguments.

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Yeah okay but you can't seriously be suggesting that the same method producing two different results is something worth considering. The notion is absurd lmao

What are you talking about?

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Because its literally a non issue.

It's anything bug a "non issue".

Visual identity is already muddled within your own faction by means of subraces. Are you fighting a Maghar in full armor, or is it an Orc? You can't tell at all if they wear full armor, and frankly it doesn't matter.

That's irrelevant because both are orcs. Just like it doesn't matter if a void elf and a blood elf look the same in full armor: they are both thalassian elves. But a forsaken and a blood elf? Those are completely different racial visual identities. Should human players be able to make themselves look like gnomes? Or orcs make themselves look like trolls? Or goblins make themselves look like tauren?

Which is why this idea of "forsaken players should be able to look like Sylvanas" is nonsensical: yes, both are forsaken, but "forsaken" is NOT a race. That's like saying lightforged draenei should be able to look like humans because the leader of the Army of the Light is a human.

Your lore reasoning is already failed you considering you already acknowledge Forsaken as a GROUP that includes Elves amongst their ranks.

My reasoning did not fail, precisely because I recognize them as a group, not a race.

Your reasons of lore representing Forsaken as humans is as bogus as me saying Dwarf only represents Bronzebeard Dwarves.

The only "bogus reasoning" her is yours, considering forsaken are dead humans, and dwarves are still dwarves, regardless if they come from Ironforge or the Aerie Peaks.

The lore already has Forsaken as a group that includes more than just humans amongst their ranks, and this was established as far back as Warcraft 3.

You're confusing the playable Scourge faction in Warcraft 3 with the forsaken playable race in WoW. The forsaken are comprised mostly of humans, which is why you, as a forsaken player, is a human.

[shoc]

Gaslight all you want, it's not gonna make more people like your diaper gnomes.

Next I plan to whine incessantly until they add covenant allied races.

[Triceron]

That's irrelevant because both are orcs. Just like it doesn't matter if a void elf and a blood elf look the same in full armor: they are both thalassian elves. But a forsaken and a blood elf? Those are completely different racial visual identities. Should human players be able to make themselves look like gnomes? Or orcs make themselves look like trolls? Or goblins make themselves look like tauren?

Non issues.

What are Forsaken Racials pertaining to? Their state of undeath.

Your examples are bogus. Worgen make themselves look human at will yet share zero of the racials.

Which is why this idea of "forsaken players should be able to look like Sylvanas" is nonsensical: yes, both are forsaken, but "forsaken" is NOT a race. That's like saying lightforged draenei should be able to look like humans because the leader of the Army of the Light is a human.

Who are you to decide this though? I'm fine if you have the opinion they shouldn't and have your reasons to believe you are right, but your reasons using lore or visual identity are excuses.

What decides whether they should or shouldn't? Certainly not any of your reasons. The Forsaken look as Blizzard wants them to look. If they want to add Broken to the Draenei as a side option within the Draenei race options, they could absolutely do that. I don't think they should, but lets face it, if enough people ask for it they will consider it despite whatever lore makes you think otherwise. I don't think Wildhammer are the same as Bronzebeards physically, but so far Blizzard is bridging them into the Dwarf race.

The only "bogus reasoning" her is yours, considering forsaken are dead humans, and dwarves are still dwarves, regardless if they come from Ironforge or the Aerie Peaks.

There is no difference. For that matter Kul Tiran should nit look different from Humans, but they do. Yet Wildhammers which we KNOW look different in the lore somehow are the same as Bronzebeard Dwarves? Even Amani have their own models.

You're confusing the playable Scourge faction in Warcraft 3 with the forsaken playable race in WoW. The forsaken are comprised mostly of humans, which is why you, as a forsaken player, is a human.

Semantics, like I pointed out initially. It is all Forsaken, so the playable race CAN i corporate other than humans if Blizzard wants to do it.

Again, I don't think they should, but I do not see your reasons as being relevant to answering that question. Blizzard has already shown multiple variants of the same race. Customization is getting to the point where you can make a Void Elf be absent of all Void aesthetics and look like a race of the enemy faction, that tells a LOT.

Besides, why wouldn't you consider the option thar people who want a Forsaken Elf option could also be open to having it as a separate allied race within the same Forsaken umbrella, just like suggesting Broken for the Aliiance that is considered Draenei. Any is possible given enough time and demand.