Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Syegfryed]

Repeating a lie does not make it any less of a lie.

you should say that to yourself, since you know, you are lying here

Again, you're stating headcanon as fact. We don't know what process they're going through

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We know for a fact that is not the same as alleria, its up to you to prove it is

And, once again, by the simple fact that void elves have access to fair skin, heavily implies that they're going by the process Alleria went through.

no, this is your headcanon

Except you are the only one here stating headcanon as fact.

joy joy joy

So you're saying that dark naarus are rare, especially ones that fall naturally to the void? Is that it?

it is said by Locus walker that there are few cases of naaru falling into Void, hell, even normal naarus are rare to find, therefore, it would not be one in every corner to change every elf

It's not a double standard. It's basic logic. "Forsaken" may be the name of the playable race, but as a forsaken player, you play a zombified human that died in Lordaeron. As a race, your character is human.

thats exactly they should add elves and other dead aces, to represent you playing a forsaken, they are doing wrong, you should look like your leaders and reflect your organization

if you don't agree with that, but agre with void elves getting all blood elves stuff because ThEiR LeAdEr HaVe then its double standarts

You, as a forsaken, is a human from Lordaeron. You are not a blood elf from Silvermoon. Forsaken players cannot be blood elves because they're a different race than humans.

you as a void elf, is a elf changed and mutated by void energies, you are not Alleria windrunne. Void elves players cannot be Alleria windrunner because she udnergo a different method of transformation by eating a dark naaru.

How do you know? Or are you stating headcanon as facts, again?

because it is a fact, unless you can proof they are, since you are the one onjecting this information

How do you know she couldn't turn into void form before absorbing the Naaru?

you are saying that, prove it

Just because she didn't, doesn't mean she couldn't. Aside from that, she already had void powers even at her first appearance.

shadow priests already had void powers too, totally pointles, only when she absorbe she get the racial o change form.

because it muddles the visual identity of the playable race. Forsaken have a defined silhouette.

what a lod of horse shit you said here, seems like you are going beyond the double tandarts and entering the hypocyrsi grounds

try to show how "silhoute" means any shit

Using the 'toy' argument is meaningless, because those toys have short durations and long cooldowns, and always disappear on death. Each race in the game have defined, fixed silhouettes.

bull

shit

if differfent RACES of different FACTIONS cAn share silhouettes there is ZERO problems to races of the SAME faction to share that

So you're saying that if I lose an arm, I am no longer the same race as my family?

so, you are saying you are going to do false equivalence now? cute, tell me how cutting ana rmis the same of your body being chnged and mutated son

Again, we have no confirmation whatsoever that being transformed into a void elf is a hereditary change,

it doesn't matter if we have a confirmation or not, they are a different race, changed by void energies, they no longer are what they once were, you can stop with you headcanon

Their numbers around the world, i.e., the NPCs, were much, much greater in number than brown orcs pre-Mag'har AR.

false, unless you can prove that bs

It's not false. Answer the question, please.

it is false, brown orcs, from outland and draenor are bigger in numbers than any HE

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

So, after so many years, we finally have our high elves or what? Or is there something that is missing?

[Ielenia]

Nope, again twisting words. I have been repeating facts over and over again to you! My argument still stand strong tbh and yes you got proven wrong again in this page as well. You are using double standards as I pointed out.
Again.. you quoted me with your nonsense not the other way arround.

Misrepresentations and opinions stated as fact do not disprove me. What I posted was facts, as well. Sylvanas is a different race than the player forsaken. That is a fact.

You still hold tight to your weak turalyon argument? Dude that argument failed on 3 posters here now. You got called out, why continue argueinf with that? Sylvanas is still forsaken and turalyon still isnt a ligtforged dranei. Army of the light is the name of the group. Thats not a race. Forsaken is a race. Facts dude.

People not accepting that their requests require a complete alteration of the playable model's silhouette, just like the "lightforged draenei and Turalyon" example, and therefore being highly, highly unlikely to ever happen, is not me "being called out".

Till this day we are not able to look like Sylvanas or any other examples I provided you, you are not listening.

This is projection, considering I've listened to you, while you have not listened a single time when I laid out the reasons why this idea is highly unlikely to happen.

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you should say that to yourself, since you know, you are lying here

Dude, how arrogant and presumptuous of you to assume you "taught me a word", considering you can't even write correctly in english? Just in this post of yours we have pearls like "differfent" instead of "different", "its" instead of "it's", "aces" instead of "races", "udnergo", "proof" instead of "prove", "standart" instead of "standard", "hypocyrsi" instead of "hypocrisy", "onjecting" instead of... I don't know, "projecting"?

Look at your own weak grasp of English before you arrogantly go around spewing lies about teaching others.

We know for a fact that is not the same as alleria, its up to you to prove it is

So once again you're stating headcanon as fact. And funny how you love to go "it's up to you to prove it"-- sorry, "its up to you to prove it"-- when what I'm doing is offering alternate possibilities while you keep insisting that your headcanon is fact.

no, this is your headcanon

Dude, calling what I'm writing "headcanon" in no say disprove anything I'm saying, considering, as I wrote above, I'm offering alternate possibilities. You're the only one stating opinions as fact.

it is said by Locus walker that there are few cases of naaru falling into Void, hell, even normal naarus are rare to find, therefore, it would not be one in every corner to change every elf

So if you accept that as fact, why did you accuse me of "making shit up" when I wrote exactly that!? Because that's basically all that you've quoted from me before saying "you're making shit up".

thats exactly they should add elves and other dead aces, to represent you playing a forsaken, they are doing wrong, you should look like your leaders and reflect your organization

No, they shouldn't. Because, again, it messes with the visual identity of the playable race. Playable races have fixed silhouettes.

if you don't agree with that, but agre with void elves getting all blood elves stuff because ThEiR LeAdEr HaVe then its double standarts

It's not double-standards. You failing to understand my argument does not make my argument fallacious. This has nothing to do with using another race's skin color, and everything to do with having more than one silhouette for the race. It doesn't matter that the nightborne look like night elves. It doesn't matter that void elves look like blood elves. Because I'm not talking about two separate races sharing a silhouette. I'm talking about a race's OWN INDIVIDUAL VISUAL IDENTITY in the form of their own silhoettes. Each race has their own silhouette.

you as a void elf, is a elf changed and mutated by void energies, you are not Alleria windrunne. Void elves players cannot be Alleria windrunner because she udnergo a different method of transformation by eating a dark naaru.

Alleria eating a dark naaru or not is immaterial to the idea that newly void elves could be undergoing the same process.

because it is a fact, unless you can proof they are, since you are the one onjecting this information

Again... you state headcanon as fact, and now you go "disprove my headcanon". If you cannot, then it is fact. That's not how facts work, dude.

you are saying that, prove it

I'm not making claims of fact. You are. We do not know if Alleria could or could not transform before the end of the questline that ends with her eating the Naaru. Saying either way as fact is dishonest. And you are the only one stating opinions as fact.

shadow priests already had void powers too, totally pointles, only when she absorbe she get the racial o change form.

Two things you didn't think of when writing this weak attempt at 'gotcha': one, are you saying Alleria is a shadow priest, not a hunter? And two, shadow priests get void form earlier in their training instead of later.

if differfent RACES of different FACTIONS cAn share silhouettes there is ZERO problems to races of the SAME faction to share that

The fact you repeat this shows that you're not understanding what I'm writing, here. Either because you don't care to, or because you simply can't. Either way: I am not talking about two races sharing silhouettes.

so, you are saying you are going to do false equivalence now? cute, tell me how cutting ana rmis the same of your body being chnged and mutated son

it doesn't matter if we have a confirmation or not, they are a different race, changed by void energies, they no longer are what they once were, you can stop with you headcanon

It's not false equivalence. Because if the state of being a void elf is not hereditary, then void elves are not a new race, because that means their children would be normal blood elves. And if the state of being a void elf is not hereditary, then it means it makes the elf a "new race" just as much as losing an arm or a leg makes one into a different race as their kin.

If you want to claim as a fact that void elves are a new race (not "playable race", but actual race), then you have to prove your claim. And "they look different" is not sufficient evidence, considering the worgen look a whole lot more different than humans than VEs to BEs, yet are not a separate race.

false, unless you can prove that bs

Seriously? Can you name one brown orc settlement on Azeroth before the Mag'har allied race? High elves have settlements of their own. Brown orcs? I can't think of anything.

[Alanar]

Misrepresentations and opinions stated as fact do not disprove me. What I posted was facts, as well. Sylvanas is a different race than the player forsaken. That is a fact..

Sylvanas was a high elf in life and banshee as undead who claimed her body and eventually forming and calling themselves only as Forsaken. Forsaken is a race you play, like Nathanos he was human does he look anywhere close to the player? Nope, but hes still forsaken. Also you can talk to the dark ranger npc and I think she even speaks as in 'we' forsaken. She used to be a high elf ,But they no longer feel that way as explained. Sylvanas and her ranger have always been very repre for the forsaken as a race. Lillian Voss is one of those now that are representing the Forsaken, which is a good thing imo, but maybe if they upgraded her model and make a female forsaken model cool hopefully that would shift the interest. Anyway you can't blame the players, when Sylvanas and slowely more dark rangers over time were arround for 15 years ofc people want to look like their racial leaders.

Again your Turalyon example doesnt make any sense, because they are 2 seperate races which are both playable.
Lightforged d and human.

The use of Pandaren and Blood elves on the alliance side already made that line very thin, when both look identical on the battlefield with gear on. Allied races happened as well and if you look at visual identity in general then that is already a non issue and besides they will stay horde anyway so that would not suddenly be super confusing or what ever. People look at red text anyway if you were refering to that. Also the playable Orc race is able to change their silhouettes and they are still very visible as orcs for example.

Players should eventually be able to rp or feel more like a dark ranger/sylvanas look as forsaken if you ask me, hell even skeletons should be playable and skeletons in gear look cool as hell. Anyway many dark rangers are still in the horde. Your argument against it.. is just not enough realy.. with slowely more additional costumization added now to the game, I believe it's only a matter of time, but only if the request is there. In the end it's not actually changing the forsaken model in any way, I am thinking of an extra portrait icon on the side like the worgens have in the character creation screen who are able to alter their human appearance as well. The thing I agree to is that undead elves could be as much as a quest for blood elves instead of forsaken, but that is not the point.

[Triceron]

No, they shouldn't. Because, again, it messes with the visual identity of the playable race. Playable races have fixed silhouettes.

Again, false.

1: Worgen do not have fixed silhouettes. They can actively take up a form of another playable race; Human.
2: Some races have customizable options that change their animations or silhouette. Unbent Orcs, Forsaken without bone protrusions, Pandaren with and without tails.
3: Genders are already examples of multiple silhouettes within a race. We don't even consider Male Draenei and Female Draenei as anything other than Draenei.
4: Multiple (allied) races share the same silhouette, meaning distinct or unique silhouettes are not necessary to distinguish any given race. Confusing a Forsaken Elf for a Blood Elf has no more impact than confusing a Mag'har for an Orc, a Worgen for a Human etc. Visual identity is a non-issue when these lines are blurred between multiple, separate playable races.

Some races are shown to have flexible silhouettes through customization or racial choice. The whole fixed silhouette argument hasn't been relevant in years, and much of the additions in BFA onwards has shown us how their whole stance has changed, especially in matters of giving each faction races with unique silhouettes and distinguishing skin tones. Alliance 'High Elf' option would not be a thing if their stance had stayed with the idea that each faction had to be distinct.

[FossilFree]

I think Blood Elves should get San'layn options, it makes more sense. Forsaken should get Alteraci, only undead Alteraci in this case. Basically, tribal-looking options for Forsaken: braids, beards, tattoos, and the like.

[Triceron]

I think Blood Elves should get San'layn options, it makes more sense. Forsaken should get Alteraci, only undead Alteraci in this case. Basically, tribal-looking options for Forsaken: braids, beards, tattoos, and the like.

I'm all for the tribal tats, beards and braids, but I'm not sure why that would be associated with Alterac. The remnants of the Alteraci are nobles-turned-thieves, not exactly the tribal or barbaric sort.

[Alanar]

I think Blood Elves should get San'layn options, it makes more sense. Forsaken should get Alteraci, only undead Alteraci in this case. Basically, tribal-looking options for Forsaken: braids, beards, tattoos, and the like.

San'layn is interesting only if they go all out on the model. Blood elf with undead skin wont cut it. There is this cool video on the net for a while and the guy did some amazing work. --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrbHc-v1PDE&t=582s
Now that we have Venthyr in the game it seems those are wow vampires now. I hope we see the San'layn again sometime tho.

Braids, beards and tattoos are all cool, but they sound more like Viking/Vrykul things to me.

[Kyriani]

Yay! Void Elves and Blood Elves are getting the arcane npc eyes!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=318815/...-elf-eye-color

[elbleuet]

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/news...-elf-eye-color

YES BLIZZARD <3

My High elf will look so cool with this new eye color omg I actually prefer it over the blue one.

THIS IS AMAZING !

[Varodoc]

I am also happy. The violet eyes combined with the violet hair are very aesthetically-pleasing. However I lamented how the eyes lack iris, now that issue has been fixed.

But let us not forget the extreme opposite. I also want more Corruption options, such as a third, red eye on the forehead, and maybe more tentacle hairstyles. I suspect Blizzard will expand on this fantasy once allied races are properly overhauled.

Once again I am asking for this:

[Kyriani]

But let us not forget the extreme opposite. I also want more Corruption options, such as a third, red eye on the forefront, and maybe more tentacle hair. I suspect Blizzard will expand on this fantasy once allied races are properly overhauled.

I'm not sure we'll ever get red N'zoth eyes just because he's kind of a bad guy and Void Elves are supposed to be in control and using the void responsibly, but I'm not opposed to them! I'd also like to see us get blue-black void eyes that match the heritage wings too!

As for hair, if Blizzard makes hair tentacles work like the Night Elf hair vines, we could have tentacles on every hairstyle!

[Doffen]

Very nice indeed

[BaumanKing]

Kinda strange, that blood elves are also getting voidy eyes. It's like if Blizzard also gave void elves green eyes. Doesn't really make sense, but okay.

[Varodoc]

Kinda strange, that blood elves are also getting voidy eyes. It's like if Blizzard also gave void elves green eyes. Doesn't really make sense, but okay.

It'd make sense for Void elves really. After all, there are Sin'dorei scholars in Telogrus Rift.

However I am quite puzzled that Blood elves have void eyes -- do you happen to have a screenshot of that?

[Rhlor]

purple eyes finally

[BaumanKing]

It'd make sense for Void elves really. After all, there are Sin'dorei scholars in Telogrus Rift.

However I am quite puzzled that Blood elves have void eyes -- do you happen to have a screenshot of that?

I am talking about this:

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/news...-elf-eye-color

Those eyes look kinda voidy to me tbh

[Varodoc]

I am talking about this:

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/news...-elf-eye-color

Those eyes look kinda voidy to me tbh

Alright, I thought you were talking about the original azure eyes that Void elves have. That would be weird, as Blood elves are not mutated at a biological level by the Void.

Those eyes are meant to be arcane-themed, not void. Vereesa has that eye colour, I believe she's some kind of arcane archer.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

what more meaning than that? there is literally nothing left to make then different with skin being shared, hair color is th only thing "big" that have left" to their work on a difference in thematic, like i said, darker for void elves, lighter for blood elves.

But see, that's the point where your rudimentary separation of aesthetics falls short, when Blood Elves already have dark and bluish tones. How can you even pretend is "the big thing left" when it's not even so already? BE and VE have already pretty much the same hair color available to both, just a shade away lol.

Your pettyness is in trying to enforce a dichotomy that's not even reflected in the current options. It's like actually funny.

[BaumanKing]

Vereesa has that eye colour, I believe she's some kind of arcane archer.

Not anymore. Her eyes are again blue.