Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Thats because that blue hair is not pertinent, is not too dark, is not voidish, is not groundbreaking like you are making then to be, this blue hair is not equivalent of blonde hair in any account, and you are trying to make to be

I'm saying the opposite; it's not groundbreaking, and neither would blond hair be. Sure it has a slight fade, but it's the same overal shade a a BE hair color has. That's the point, VE's aren't defined solely by the voidness of their hair as BE's aren't defined by their blondness. You keep trying to reduce identity to hair color, trying to force strict aesthetic differentiation even when it's already not enforced.

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I'm certainly curious as to how the forums here and the official ones will react if Blizzard simply shares assets between Void Elves and Blood Elves with only minor differences going forward. It would certainly be the least effort intensive way to add things to both. Judging by the back and forth here and on the official forums, I'd say it would be quite the spectacle to say the least!

Personally, I think the moment Blizz makes the "sharing of assets" vision the way forward, we would see a lot of less pushback, and more conversations about what else can be shared by other races.

[arkanon]

I'm certainly curious as to how the forums here and the official ones will react if Blizzard simply shares assets between Void Elves and Blood Elves with only minor differences going forward. It would certainly be the least effort intensive way to add things to both. Judging by the back and forth here and on the official forums, I'd say it would be quite the spectacle to say the least!

WW3. I can see it now "Homogenization of cosmetics" "cutting content" "lazy devs"

[Triceron]

i didn't said people need to stop suggesting things, just said a line should draw somewhere of how much void elves should get blood elf options, i mean my suggestion was literally make more exclusive hair color for void elves, to make up for then not getting all blood elves colors and you are telling me to stop coming to these threats because i don't share the same mindset

Yeah but you're trying to say a line should be drawn somewhere because people keep asking for options that make them more and more similar.

But the fact is you're in a suggestion thread that is meant to literally port Blood Elf with Blue Eyes visuals over to Alliance, because that is what High Elves look like. Blond Hair and Black Hair options included.

Considering this, there is no line, and there never be one so long as you are in this thread. The whole purpose is asking for High Elf aesthetics, which is what Blood Elves look like. And frankly, Blizzard is already a few steps away from doing it. It's almost pointless keeping any differences between Blood Elf And Void Elf if the skin color and a whole bunch of eye colors were given. They may as well open up the option completely and treat it like Pandarens.

[Ielenia]

No, you do red eharing all the time is those nonsense argumens of "how do you know elves don't poop pink? you enver saw elf shit before!", dumb arguments

Hyperbolic absurdities do not help you in any way, shape or form. The whole crux of this argument is that you're denying, without a single shred of evidence, that the newly created void elves are undergoing a process similar to Alleria's.

because it is one, no matter how you dislike it.

It has nothing to do with me liking or disliking it. It's about you making statements of facts without a single piece of evidence.

or the other way around

No. It's not me who has been repeating the words "it's a fact" multiple times in their posts.

you are trying to pass up "alternative possibilities"(shit you make up) o disapprove the things we know with the petext of "you can refute my "alternative possibilities, therefore is a false statment" again, is a fallacy.

We. Do. Not. Know. And that's the whole point. Again, you're making statements of facts about things we have no idea about. You don't know what the process the void elves are going through is. So you cannot state as a fact that my hypothesis is false. You cannot state that you KNOW what it is. You cannot state your own headcanon as "canon fact".

ah, so you are indeed backpedaling, how fitting.

This is not me backpedaling. This is me stating that you've made broad generalizations about all my arguments without pointing at any one in particular. Do you even know what 'backpedaling' means?

I said dark naarus are rare lmao and thats the reason of why void elvs cannot be eating one on the dailly basis

I literally quoted you accusing me I'm "making shit up" when I stated that exact same thing about the naarus.

ah yes, everyone is wrong and im right, how far on your own head youa re

If you got off your high horse to read what was being talked about, you'd see how everyone was talking about two playable races having the same silhouette when I was talking about a playable races own visual identity. But no, you just want to grandstand.

no matter how you repeat, it doesn't matter, different races of different factions share the player model, it completely fine for the foraken share model with another race of the same faction.

Two races having very similar silhouettes is irrelevant because that is not my argument! That is not what I'm talking about! You're being immensely obtuse here to insist on that despite me telling you multiple times that this is not my argument. I don't care if void elves have a similar silhouette to blood elves.

There is, her interactions with locus walker, her lore, and everything else, you know when she literally transform right after sucking the naaru.

Okay, then. Put your money where your mouth is. Show me those interactions, her lore, her "everything else" that prove Alleria could not take on a void form before. Show me those links.

you keep shoving your "ideas" trying to dismiss he canon

Except I'm not contradicting any canon lore, at all. I'm only contradicting your headcanon. And, as I explained before, your headcanon is not canon lore.

It is,

Read the definition of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

she can turn on and off at will

Show me the official lore about that, then. Wait, you can't, because the WoWPedia article does not link to anything.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/L%27ura#Quotes

only in your head, but since you are making shit up all the time i would not be surprised

you really need to hold on on your "hypothesis";

And this "newfound powers" is highly likely to be the power to create portals. Geez, it's right there, in the "void sever" section: "Seize the power of the portals, Alleria! It can become your weapon!"

Christ, you will keep going won't you?

You're the one that keeps going on with false premises and headcanons being stated as fact. And once again, you completely dismiss the evidence that disproves your headcanon, and instead of dealing with it, you just dodge.

if i did i kno they would be

You did state that you know the number of brown orcs were greater than the number of high elves. Hence the question. If you did not count them, then you do not know if the number of brown orcs was greater, equal, or smaller than the number of high elves.

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Stop dodging here.

You CLAIMED that the visual identity of races are fixed. Meaning they do not change.

Worgen are a clear and relevant example of a race that does not have a FIXED visual identity, they can transform it at will into a form that resembles another playable race; Humans.

You can not claim that races have a fixed identity. When we apply this back to Forsaken, your argument does not hold any factual truth behind it.

I stand by my argument. Because the worgen cannot be anything but wolfmen/women when engaged with content around the world. Their visual identity is fixed. And I'll repeat: pointing at the worgen doesn't really help, unless you're arguing that "blood elf forsaken" will instantly turn into "human forsaken" when they enter combat.

This is your subjective opinion, not a standing fact.

The only fact you can allocate to this is whether the silhouette is broken or not. In this case, yes the silhouette is broken. You were wrong, you can not deflect this by saying 'Not really because I don't think so'.

Silhouette means outline. If you change the default standing posture, you are changing the silhouette.

I think it's not really much of an opinion to state that there's a huge difference between making a hunched playable race stand upright, and making a playable race look like another playable race through character customization.

The silhouette of the orc still remains the silhouette of an orc, upright or hunched. But a forsaken suddenly looking like a blood elf or a Stormwind human? That's a massive difference.

Forsaken are not only Humans though. This is the fallacy you have made. Forsaken are Undead races collectively united as a group.

The forsaken players are humans. And the forsaken is a group comprised mostly of humans.

YOU are the one who asked How do we KNOW (Kul Tirans looked the same as regular Humans prior to BFA)

This is not about what I asked, but what you responded with. I'll repeat: you're getting hanged up on the wording of my responses to you, not accepting anything but the literal meaning of them, because you found something that contradicts the literal meaning of what I wrote. But now that you've done the same, i.e., made a statement which its literal meaning goes against what you are trying to convey, you are refusing to admit to your mistake.

[Yavi Dawnsong]

I wonder how many pages this thread would actually be if you took out all the pointless arguing *shrugs*.

On topic, it would be nice to see a colour option for the void elf earrings, silver or gold perhaps.

[Triceron]

The forsaken players are humans. And the forsaken is a group comprised mostly of humans.

Mostly, but not exclusively, therefore you can not make an argument that they should be exclusive to any one race.

Your fallacy is entirely based on thinking Forsaken can only be exclusively using the human model.

[Syegfryed]

I'm saying the opposite; it's not groundbreaking, and neither would blond hair be.

its not that is goundbreaking, is something to set then appart, like one of the fe things they have, void elves have some unique and excluive hair options like purple, blood elves have blonde, i don't see why only one should lose this exclusivity

Sure it has a slight fade, but it's the same overal shade a a BE hair color has. That's the point, VE's aren't defined solely by the voidness of their hair as BE's aren't defined by their blondness. You keep trying to reduce identity to hair color, trying to force strict aesthetic differentiation even when it's already not enforced.

I didn't said those races are defined by that, i said those races should have visual difference to set then appart, if its not by skin color anymore at least let the hair keeping then apart, i said the thing about lighter reflecting the sunwell and darker reflecting the void as my, reason to set then apart, that mean giving dark black hair for void elves, that one kind blood elves don't have it, because that blue hair isn't voidish.

Yeah but you're trying to say a line should be drawn somewhere because people keep asking for options that make them more and more similar.

and that is false?

But the fact is you're in a suggestion thread that is meant to literally port Blood Elf with Blue Eyes visuals over to Alliance, because that is what High Elves look like. Blond Hair and Black Hair options included.

high elf isn't just a high elf because because blonde, people ahve being hammered down this many times isn't?, and, void elves are no high elves, its fine they getting some things, but all of then, when they are not said race, to me is too much

[vilememory]

I wonder how many pages this thread would actually be if you took out all the pointless arguing *shrugs*.

On topic, it would be nice to see a colour option for the void elf earrings, silver or gold perhaps.

About three to four hundred, I stopped coming around when pages upon pages became nothing but two people arguing. Now I show up just to see how many pages it has.

[Syegfryed]

Hyperbolic absurdities do not help you in any way, shape or form. The whole crux of this argument is that you're denying, without a single shred of evidence, that the newly created void elves are undergoing a process similar to Alleria's.

its a hyperbolic of your absudities, thts why it make funny

There is nothing even implying void elves did a proccess similar to alleri because they can't, they can't suck off a dark naaru on a dailly basis, therefore they are NOT like alleria

WHEN there is something showing of they doing something similar, THEN you can come up with your "hypothesis" because you have something to base on

We. Do. Not. Know.

We goddamn know those things, we goddamn know the "new void elves" are not absorbing dark naarus to look like Alleria

End of discussion.

If you got off your high horse to read what was being talked about, you'd see how everyone was talking about two playable races having the same silhouette when I was talking about a playable races own visual identity. But no, you just want to grandstand.

the thing is, no matter how you try to spin, is meaningless.

Two races having very similar silhouettes is irrelevant because that is not my argument!

Thats because you ar using double standarts

you think is fine to different races, of different factions to have the same "silhoute", but you think is off limis that a "playable race" have a "silhoute" of another race of the same faction.

You are using double standarts everyone pointe out but you think you aren't.

Okay, then. Put your money where your mouth is. Show me those interactions, her lore, her "everything else" that prove Alleria could not take on a void form before. Show me those links.

She got her power when she absorbed a naaru, that is the canon source, unless you have something to corroborate your nonsensical hypothesis that she could do before even if she didn't show to, didn't hint to, din't had nearly control of the void, locus walker saying it was a new power, and etecetera

Read the definition of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

Something that i also called you on in other topics, cute

but just because they didn't said she could not transform before, doesn't mean she could, you are using the other way of the ignorance fallacy of evidence of absence

And this "newfound powers" is highly likely to be the power to create portals.

because you think so and because it support your nonsense, nothing suggest is about creating portals is about her new void form, you are just creating an entire scenario of your head about those things wanting to be some sort of verbatim answer when there none needed, jthe argumment is just like the pink poop

You're the one that keeps going on with false premises and headcanons being stated as fact. And once again, you completely dismiss the evidence that disproves your headcanon, and instead of dealing with it, you just dodge.

you hypothesis, based on literally nothing is not "evidence that disproves" anything

You did state that you know the number of brown orcs were greater than the number of high elves. Hence the question. If you did not count them, then you do not know if the number of brown orcs was greater, equal, or smaller than the number of high elves.

it is greater because maghar orcs are not a dying and extinct race of orcs, something that was stand about elves, never maghar number problems was brought up like it was with darkspear, gnomes and elves, so yeah its pretty factual that brown orcs are in greater number, we do not need something explicit saying "brown orcs are more populous than high elves" when we have all this information, you are just trying to use the perfectionist fallacy once again, if hit is not descripted word by word in the way of your liking you disapprove with appeal of ignorance

[Triceron]

high elf isn't just a high elf because because blonde, people ahve being hammered down this many times isn't?, and, void elves are no high elves, its fine they getting some things, but all of then, when they are not said race, to me is too much

Yes but you are in the High Elf thread making statements about people should not ask for High Elf visuals lol

Which is why I say if you don't like hearing suggestions for High Elf then you have a choice to stay out of the thread. This is literally the High Elf thread. People aren't making suggestions for blonde hair void elf options outside of this thread here. You have made the choice to hang around in a High Elf discussion, what exactly are you expecting?

[Alanar]

Mostly, but not exclusively, therefore you can not make an argument that they should be exclusive to any one race.

Your fallacy is entirely based on thinking Forsaken can only be exclusively using the human model.

This is true and was trying to make that clear.
You can dissagree with that request of players, but you cant dismiss the fact that Forsaken qualify as a race and excists out of multiple undead creatures..

The undead elves have always been very representive in the forsaken for a long time, its not weird people will want to look like that.

[shoc]

You will get your undead elves but they will be Venthyr. Besides, they are glorious. What more could you want from undead elves? A thousand times more interesting than another brand of High Elf.

[Ardenaso]

I guess Vereesa is one of the few characters that has battled in 5 different capitals (Theramore, Orgrimmar, Suramar, Grim Batol and Dalaran).

Not that bad for a loser

I would like her to get her own, unique model. But she's fine as she is I like her outfit.

to be fair she was just there

and yeah; she doesn't have anything special like Sylvanas' death powers or Alleria's void powers or Zendarin's Demon Soul powers plus the fact that she is pretty much the most wanted terrorist and the enemy of the state (on the Blood Elves' perspective at least) I'd think that qualifies her to be a loser

[elbleuet]

to be fair she was just there

and yeah; she doesn't have anything special like Sylvanas' death powers or Alleria's void powers or Zendarin's Demon Soul powers plus the fact that she is pretty much the most wanted terrorist and the enemy of the state (on the Blood Elves' perspective at least) I'd think that qualifies her to be a loser

So being a regular and consistent character with normal powers is being a loser ?

So all the blood elf leadership is full of losers I guess.

[Syegfryed]

Yes but you are in the High Elf thread making statements about people should not ask for High Elf visuals lol

i never said anyone should stop doing anything here, just he other guy stop saying nonsenses, never said to people stop asking for it, i just gave my opinion that someone said it was petty, thats why you don't see me answering to anyone who ask that or other bullshit like void elf paladin.

[Ardenaso]

So being a regular and consistent character with normal powers is being a loser ?

oh yeah I forgot; she's bland but that's on Blizzard for forgetting 34432432423 characters in BFA including her

[Kyriani]

Personally, I think the moment Blizz makes the "sharing of assets" vision the way forward, we would see a lot of less pushback, and more conversations about what else can be shared by other races.

I hope that ends up being the case if Blizzard does decide to go that way. It can be tiring seeing so much arguing back and forth on a topic.

WW3. I can see it now "Homogenization of cosmetics" "cutting content" "lazy devs"

It's unfortunate that I think this is more likely

[Alanar]

You will get your undead elves but they will be Venthyr. Besides, they are glorious. What more could you want from undead elves? A thousand times more interesting than another brand of High Elf.

I have to agree tho, the Venthyr are the new wow vampires. I am also curious if we will see some venthyr crossing the veil, of that happends it will open a door if you know what I mean

Altho if you look at them, I hope the san layn get a mention somewhere, they always made us believe that they were the vampires of wow.

Some link, some hook idk I would love that.

As of undead high elves with red eyes, I would like that blizz would invest in w dark ranger class with banshee vibe, smokey teleports, death magic anf the explore more of that. It sounds intereating to me.

[Varodoc]

So being a regular and consistent character with normal powers is being a loser ?

So all the blood elf leadership is full of losers I guess.

I'm sure no one is denying that.

[Ielenia]

There is nothing even implying void elves did a proccess similar to alleri because they can't, they can't suck off a dark naaru on a dailly basis, therefore they are NOT like alleria

You're wrong in that regard, considering new void elves can have fair skin, something that is possible through Alleria's process, but apparently impossible through the "stopping void trap in the middle" process that created the OG void elves. However you slice it, it's way more likely that the void elves are being transformed through a process similar to Alleria's for three facts:
• One, it's a safer process;
• Two, it's a controlled process;
• Three, it allows the elves to retain their fair skin.

We goddamn know those things,

We don't. To assert either way is to assume headcanon as fact. Please stop assuming your headcanons as fact.

Thats because you ar using double standarts

I'm not. You're trying to force "double standards" into my arguments by attempting to shoehorn into my arguments something I never said to begin with. Again, the fact other races share similar silhouettes is irrelevant to my arguments regarding a race's own visual identity.

You are using double standarts everyone pointe out but you think you aren't.

Because those who are accusing me of "double standards" are doing the exact same thing you are doing: trying to inject something I never said into my arguments.

She got her power when she absorbed a naaru, that is the canon source,

No. It is not. It is "canon source" that Alleria got her power to create portals from the fallen Naaru: "Locus-Walker yells: Seize the power of the portals, Alleria! It can become your weapon!" It is not "canon source" the claim that moment was when Alleria was first able to take on a void form.

[quote]unless you have something to corroborate your nonsensical hypothesis that she could do before even if she didn't show to, didn't hint to(1), din't had nearly control of the void(2), locus walker saying it was a new power(3), and etecetera
(1) Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
(2) "Void form" doesn't seem to be that hard a technique to learn and control, considering shadow priests can do it rather early in their careers.
(3) The "new powers" Locus Walker was referring to was most likely the powers to open portals, as he pointed out, himself, during the fight.

Something that i also called you on in other topics, cute

Because I taught you that concept.

but just because they didn't said she could not transform before, doesn't mean she could,

It also doesn't mean she couldn't.

you are using the other way of the ignorance fallacy of evidence of absence

No, I'm not. The "appeal to ignorance" fallacy means asserting your conclusion as true because there is no evidence to the contrary. Which is what you are doing, by asserting as a fact that Alleria could not transform because she has never did so before eating the fallen naaru. And "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" means that just because there is no evidence to back up a proposition, it does not mean the proposition is false. Want an example? "We have never detected signs of intelligent extra-terrestrial life. Therefore intelligent extra-terrestrial life does not exist".

because you think so

Really? You're going to dismiss canon evidence, now? It's right there, black on white: "Locus-Walker yells: Seize the power of the portals, Alleria! It can become your weapon!"

you hypothesis, based on literally nothing is not "evidence that disproves" anything

You dismissing canon evidence and asserting your own headcanons as fact does not mean my propositions are based on "literally nothing".

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Mostly, but not exclusively, therefore you can not make an argument that they should be exclusive to any one race.

Your fallacy is entirely based on thinking Forsaken can only be exclusively using the human model.

It's not a fallacy when it's a fact that the playable forsaken are humans from Lordaeron. And it's a fact that making a forsaken look like a blood elf completely changes the playable race's visual identity.

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@Ielenia

Again you are not listening I told you about the visual identity, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about if you dismiss all examples given by multiple posters now.

Those "multiple examples" are either of two races sharing similar silhouettes, which have nothing to do with my argument, the orcs, which still look like an orc, hunched or otherwise, and the worgen, which again doesn't disprove my argument since 9/10 you're a worgen when engaged in the game's content. And 10/10 when you're in combat.

You can even take druids or demon hunter as examples.

Races aren't classes and classes aren't races. And you can still recognize which race the druids and the demon hunters are by looking at their forms.