Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[bronjamin]

one day we'll have actual High Elves

[Vaedan]

Now my argument is that since Void Elves no longer have a unique eye color, that they should get red eyes to firmly represent void/shadow magic (as many shadow magic users have red eyes), since purple, according to posts like yours, is mainly associated with Arcane. And, Void Elves should also get green and gold because of the Sunwell's influence too.

I see what you mean, but honestly, I never associated red color with void to begin with. It's more likely tied to death, which is also reason why Dark Rangers have these eyes. I'm also not sure what is the source of blood magic, but I guess it is possibly death. If there should be any color associated with the void, it should be black or dark blue.

It's hard to say. I'd expect the devs to reuse as many assets as they can by having allied races inherit them where possible, even if modified. Even the Nightborne could inherit assets from Night Elves with only some minor modifications, though I'm hoping that Nightborne get a serious rework so as to be more akin to the NPC's. Kul Tiran's could probably inherit many Human hairstyles refitted to their heads. They could probably inherit some of the Human jewelry options as well. As far as unique stuff goes Kul Tirans (especially males) could use more face options, and in a wider variety. All the KT male faces are ugly/gruff/old faces.

OT, I think Kul Tirans have great potential to inherit some dwarf options too. I think adding dwarvish long beards to Kul Tirans could actually give us playable vrykul, or at least something close to it, something I wanted for years. Aside from features like beards and hairstyles, KT seriously need more body types. I like them, but those big bellies on both male and female models hurt them a lot. I think body types is another feature which could be expanded on many races, as we've seen this debate on regular humans too (with having option of thin humans). I can imagine having more options across the board in the future, like dire trolls, thin orcs (like those in Draenor), thin night elves (similar to nightborne), well build nightborne (similar to standard night elf model), thin draenei, etc.

[Kyriani]

OT, I think Kul Tirans have great potential to inherit some dwarf options too. I think adding dwarvish long beards to Kul Tirans could actually give us playable vrykul, or at least something close to it, something I wanted for years. Aside from features like beards and hairstyles, KT seriously need more body types. I like them, but those big bellies on both male and female models hurt them a lot. I think body types is another feature which could be expanded on many races, as we've seen this debate on regular humans too (with having option of thin humans). I can imagine having more options across the board in the future, like dire trolls, thin orcs (like those in Draenor), thin night elves (similar to nightborne), well build nightborne (similar to standard night elf model), thin draenei, etc.

I'd love to see more body type options added for every race! Even the standard Human male is a bit bulky for my taste. A more slimmed down version of the model would be most appreciated. Allowing Kul Tirans to at least have the option to use the standard Human model would make my race change my Shaman and seriously consider race changing my Druid.

[Traycor]

I'd imagine that purple eyes were added to Blood Elves to help soften the blow for when High Elves get natural hair color options.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I'd imagine that purple eyes were added to Blood Elves to help soften the blow for when High Elves get natural hair color options.

Ayy would love that XD. While I do believe these new purple eyes are no more of a game changer than the other 3 High Elven eyes BE's got, these new ones are the only ones actually made from a High Elf NPC texture.

I remember when WoWhead broke the news of the new eyes on VE's, and right on cue the first comments were all about how unfair was that VE got thee and not BE and blah blah blah. Then "Oh yeah BE have these too" lol. Some BE players just really like to have issues.

The moment Void Elves get natural hair colors -hopefully- those same player of course will be back at it again

[Teriz]

I just wanted to say that I made a dark skinned blood elf Paladin and I got tons of compliments. Kind of weird honestly. I was surprised how many people weren't aware that that option was available.

[Thalassian Bob]

Oh, I agree Nightborne are like one of the gonkiest races on WoW now, especially the males. The Highmountain Tauren are rather boring with their lack of options too, compared to what Void Elves and LF Draenei have(the latter at least get cool-looking glowing runes on their body). It makes me wish that they switched which races were given to each faction.

Agreed. They were on the right track with the Highmountain tribal paint, but they need some love, for sure!

Yah, the expanded customization really made races like NB and LFD look embarrassing in comparison; something really has to be done with them tbh.

I have always said tho, that NB at least got 3 distinct skins and white and black hair heh! But yeah; white the NE textures can't simply be reused on NB -the mapping of the face is off- I really hope they can inherit them partially -even if it takes more time-

TBH for them to inherit NE skins and faces, it kinda would be easier to remap the existing NB model to those, and fix the 3 NB skins and faces accordingly lol. But there's still the issue with the NB ear being completely different so it's very unlikely still.

That being said, kida would like to see the other AR that can, inherit skin tones and hair colors from their core races, like VE and MG did -Tauren, Dwarf, DK Orc, LFD- not all of them maybe, but a select variety.

Interesting! Whatever they do with them, I hope they give some face options that resemble more closely the Legion NPC models. The playable males look like something you could use for a Chad NPC vs Virgin player model meme! >.<' They look like an NPC model tried to eat a bee!

The one allied race I would disagree with you for skin options is Dark Irons. I think they're in a really good place with their stark contrast in options to their Bronzebeard (and now Wildhammer \o/) cousins. I think DK vanilla skin options for Mag'har (and the other ARs) would be great! Some war paint like vanilla orcs have for Mag'har would be cool too.

[Rhlor]

I see what you mean, but honestly, I never associated red color with void to begin with. It's more likely tied to death, which is also reason why Dark Rangers have these eyes. I'm also not sure what is the source of blood magic, but I guess it is possibly death. If there should be any color associated with the void, it should be black or dark blue.



OT, I think Kul Tirans have great potential to inherit some dwarf options too. I think adding dwarvish long beards to Kul Tirans could actually give us playable vrykul, or at least something close to it, something I wanted for years. Aside from features like beards and hairstyles, KT seriously need more body types. I like them, but those big bellies on both male and female models hurt them a lot. I think body types is another feature which could be expanded on many races, as we've seen this debate on regular humans too (with having option of thin humans). I can imagine having more options across the board in the future, like dire trolls, thin orcs (like those in Draenor), thin night elves (similar to nightborne), well build nightborne (similar to standard night elf model), thin draenei, etc.

i think red eyes like azshara would be great for void elves, but this is the high elf thread not the void elf thread! I think discussing void customization should be discussed in the void elf thread

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...cussion-thread

[Vaedan]

i think red eyes like azshara would be great for void elves, but this is the high elf thread not the void elf thread! I think discussing void customization should be discussed in the void elf thread

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...cussion-thread

Void elves are high elves, so it belongs here.

[Rhlor]

Void elves are high elves, so it belongs here.

not according to blizzard the elves with normal skin and blue eyes are high elves.

the void elves have their own thread! that's where you should discuss void customization
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...cussion-thread

[Vaedan]

not according to blizzard the elves with normal skin and blue eyes are high elves.

the void elves have their own thread! that's where you should discuss void customization
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...cussion-thread

Well, in case you didn't notice, void elves have normal skin and blue eyes too. I don't know what are you trying to accomplish, but it was already stated by Blizz themselves many times that void elves are also high elves.

Sure, there is specific thread for them. Void elf customization discussion have place there, as well as here in this thread. There are now basically two threads where you can discuss void elves. Same applies to blood elves.

[elbleuet]

Void elves are High elves. Anfnd it's likely they will receive more High elf customization options so why not?

[Rhlor]

Well, in case you didn't notice, void elves have normal skin and blue eyes too. I don't know what are you trying to accomplish, but it was already stated by Blizz themselves many times that void elves are also high elves.

Sure, there is specific thread for them. Void elf customization discussion have place there, as well as here in this thread. There are now basically two threads where you can discuss void elves. Same applies to blood elves.

void elves that use high elf customization are high elves

void elves that use void customization have their own thread

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Void elves are High elves. Anfnd it's likely they will receive more High elf customization options so why not?

without a doubt this is the thread to discuss high elf customization.

as the void elf thread is the place where void customization should be discussed

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Interesting! Whatever they do with them, I hope they give some face options that resemble more closely the Legion NPC models. The playable males look like something you could use for a Chad NPC vs Virgin player model meme! >.<' They look like an NPC model tried to eat a bee!

The interesting thing about that is also that the NPC Nightborne faces are far simpler in terms of geometry -they look more mike pre revamp player models than current ones- so when they tried to translate them to the playable NE model, it didn't go very well; a lot of people still think the new models don't really capture the old faces, and those were made spoecifically so, unlike the NB model which is a modified NE one.

So they definitely need a deep pass to resemble the NB NPC models

The one allied race I would disagree with you for skin options is Dark Irons. I think they're in a really good place with their stark contrast in options to their Bronzebeard (and now Wildhammer \o/) cousins. I think DK vanilla skin options for Mag'har (and the other ARs) would be great! Some war paint like vanilla orcs have for Mag'har would be cool too.

Yeah, I'd put a pin on dark iron dwarves too, ideally they would get more options specific to them -cause they really have just 4- but I would definitely give them them dwarven DK skins like VE's did with BE's, but yeah I would throw some base dwarf skins I guess, races limited to one skin tone range are kinda boring, and I would kinda like to see the idea of some skins to imply Dwarf/DI pairings -specially with a time skip!

As for the NPC maghar skins -and NPC skins in general- those are a bit harder, since all of them just have one face, so they would have to create new faces for them; I think that's one of the biggest hurdles of just using NPC skins, you only get one face, so the only alternative would be to remake them -which honestly isn't aaaaalll that hard in terms of process, you can automatize the process of altering hue/tones a lot on programs like photoshop-

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Well, in case you didn't notice, void elves have normal skin and blue eyes too. I don't know what are you trying to accomplish, but it was already stated by Blizz themselves many times that void elves are also high elves.

Sure, there is specific thread for them. Void elf customization discussion have place there, as well as here in this thread. There are now basically two threads where you can discuss void elves. Same applies to blood elves.

Considering that VE and HE fantasy share a model, talking about VE's on this thread feels a lot more pertinent than talking about the BE model -and a lot of people do that-

So trying to gatekeep VE conversation form here is a bad look -specially on people that insist on also considering blue eyes blood elves as High Elves hah!-

[Tinniel]

Oh, you continue to praise the developers here, ask for more and praise the further burying of Warcraft's lore in the grave? How cute. Well go on, the last voices of common sense in this thread fell, as did the high elves idea and lore. Kick their corpses further.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Oh, you continue to praise the developers here, ask for more and praise the further burying of Warcraft's lore in the grave? How cute. Well go on, the last voices of common sense in this thread fell, as did the high elves idea and lore. Kick their corpses further.

Have you ever posted something that wasn't utterly wanky? Cause holy shit.

I mean your whole stance of "High Elves are not what "I" want them to be" is grounds for dismissal enough, but your lack of nuance in a conversation that intersects both the lore and gameplay and what might result of that is outstanding.

It's like you refuse to see the context Alliance High Elf exist and keep claiming for "proper" High Elves, even when Blizzard could literally make all the remaining High Elves into Void Elves tomorrow and we could do nothing to stop it.

But yeah, it's clear that if whatever path High Elves take in this game doesn't fit what *you* personally want, then it's wrong. Your bias is not truth, accept your opinion is only that, an opinion.

[Thalassian Bob]

The interesting thing about that is also that the NPC Nightborne faces are far simpler in terms of geometry -they look more mike pre revamp player models than current ones- so when they tried to translate them to the playable NE model, it didn't go very well; a lot of people still think the new models don't really capture the old faces, and those were made spoecifically so, unlike the NB model which is a modified NE one.

So they definitely need a deep pass to resemble the NB NPC models



Yeah, I'd put a pin on dark iron dwarves too, ideally they would get more options specific to them -cause they really have just 4- but I would definitely give them them dwarven DK skins like VE's did with BE's, but yeah I would throw some base dwarf skins I guess, races limited to one skin tone range are kinda boring, and I would kinda like to see the idea of some skins to imply Dwarf/DI pairings -specially with a time skip!

As for the NPC maghar skins -and NPC skins in general- those are a bit harder, since all of them just have one face, so they would have to create new faces for them; I think that's one of the biggest hurdles of just using NPC skins, you only get one face, so the only alternative would be to remake them -which honestly isn't aaaaalll that hard in terms of process, you can automatize the process of altering hue/tones a lot on programs like photoshop-

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Hmm. That is interesting! I hope Blizz takes plenty of time to get their extra customisation right and gives them some decent faces.

I'm not sure if I'm with you on implementing hybrid races (because it'd just open up the notion of half-races for every combo and that'd be a headache (though maybe if it was just dwarf x dwarf or tauren x tauren etc. it'd be okay) I would, however, love to see what Moira's baby looks like when he's grown up!

Oh no, I was talking about Draenor Mag'har! I was just meaning I'd love for them to get war paint that can be worn over tattoos/scarring like on the new orc customisations.

[Strippling]

I'd imagine that purple eyes were added to Blood Elves to help soften the blow for when High Elves get natural hair color options.

Doubt it. The purple eyes were likely added to Blood Elves because A) it makes sense, and B) they were a "high elf" asset, and blizzard are on record for saying both void and blood elves were to receive some "high elf" options.

Oh and I love how you're referring to the void elf race as high elves (when High Elves get natural hair color options). Such a nice look trying to hi-jack a race lol. And the high elf community wonder why they cop so much flack. Smh

Natural hair colors for void elves is a possibility, though I'd wager it's just as likely that they will not receive any natural hair colors. I mean, natural hair colors will only make them closer to blood elves... and at the end of the day they are a separate playable race to blood elves so I'm not sure Blizzard would want to A) blur the lines between blood and void elves, and B) ruin the theme of the race (ie the VOID). It'd be like giving Mag'har orcs some green skin options or nightborne some vine options for their hair. Wouldn't make sense and would defeat the purpose of having these allied races in the first place. Void elves are specifically defined by their connection to the void, given that their hair is the last bastion of connection to their theme I think Blizzard will proceed very carefully on which (if any) hair options they add to void elves in the future.

[Redzonetode]

I'm not sure Blizzard would want to A) blur the lines between blood and void elves,

I would say using the same model as blood elves, and canonically making them former-blood elf (and high elf) exiles, blurred the lines between blood elves and void elves.
I would say giving void elves the same exact skin tones as blood elves blurred the lines between the two.

This argument doesn't hold up at all. Select blue eyes, throw on a helmet, and any void elf will be indistinguishable from a blood elf except when their racial procs.

(For the record, I'd much rather they go all-in on the void theme than half-ass any high elf customizations. )

[Strippling]

I would say using the same model as blood elves, and canonically making them former-blood elf (and high elf) exiles, blurred the lines between blood elves and void elves.
I would say giving void elves the same exact skin tones as blood elves blurred the lines between the two.

This argument doesn't hold up at all. Select blue eyes, throw on a helmet, and any void elf will be indistinguishable from a blood elf except when their racial procs.

(For the record, I'd much rather they go all-in on the void theme than half-ass any high elf customizations. )

The same could be said for LFD and regular draenei, or Mag'har orcs and regular orcs. They are practically identical albeit a difference in "color pallete" or "theme". Same applies to void elves, practically the same as blood elves but that doesn't mean they can or should be carbon copies. If the hair is the remaining distinguishing feature between the two then it should remain that way. Void elves are defined by their void theme, the "void" aspect should be apparent in them even if it is just via the hair.

Give them natural hair options and you remove the last bastion of difference between them and blood elves. Further to this, void elves would then essentially have access to the blood elf skin and hairs PLUS their own unique void options.. essentially offering them more than the core race that they are based off. Again, it'd be like giving Mag'har orcs access to regular orc options whilst still having their own unique Mag'har options.