Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ardenaso]

Lor'themar is an Alliance sympathizer. They would've defected if Jaina didn't push them away.

former Alliance of Lordaeron member is an Alliance sympathizer? oh boy what could possibly go wrong to this Horde... council?

[LilSaihah]

former Alliance of Lordaeron member is an Alliance sympathizer? oh boy what could possibly go wrong to this Horde... council?

i think they'll elect anduin as the new warchief

[Ardenaso]

Soooo according to some who have read the new Golden's book, Shaw notices that there are a lot of Alliance sympathisers in Silvermoon while visiting the city.

This pleases me a lot. I do hope some will rebel against Lor'Themar, with Alleria in the background not very far.

I'd assume it's just Auric, the Allerians and some of those minorities like Ennas and Lyria. A lot doesn't have to mean majority

[elbleuet]

I'd assume it's just Auric, the Allerians and some of those minorities like Ennas and Lyria. A lot doesn't have to mean majority

We can agree on that. It's a minority. But still. It's promising. In a Horde's capital, a good portion of its citizen favor the Alliance over the Horde.

And we know Alleria and Vereesa both want to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.

Odds are good to expect a Battle of Silvermoon in the next expansion with Turalyon -once member of the Alliance of Lordaeron- saying he wants to take back former Alliance holdings. Ans who's his wife ? A Silvermoon citizen banished from her own homeland.

I'm super excited to see how it will unfold.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Soooo according to some who have read the new Golden's book, Shaw notices that there are a lot of Alliance sympathisers in Silvermoon while visiting the city.

This pleases me a lot. I do hope some will rebel against Lor'Themar, with Alleria in the background not very far.

I mean makes sense, it would have been awfully convenient that all the Alliance sympathizers had joined Umbric and became Void Elves.

I do appreciate that it feels like a continuation of previously established themes about not all Blood Elves being quite as happy with the Horde, and Alleria and Vereesa's own desire to bring their people back to the alliance being more than just their own skewed vision of their people, and I really hope this is set up for something that actually shifts the status quo.

What would be better narrative-wise tho, Quel'thalas going neutral as a place and similarly like Dalaran having Alliance and Horde districts, or a revolt attempt that ends with defeat for the Alliance forces, but ultimately bolsters them as a unified group and settle somewhere else?

Part of me kinda wants Quel'thalas to go neutral, but mostly so that the Horde Loyalist Blood Elves merge with the Nightborne and create a Second Highborne Empire. That would be neat lol.

But really, I kinda don't want Quel'thalas to go neutral, I feel the bad reasons outweigh the possibilities; I think that maybe a split of Quel'thalas would be better narratively with the Alliance Aligned Thalassians retaking the Ghostlands and settling there -specially when it feels that as of Three Sisters that area is still no-mans-land- and I just really like the idea of a persistent cold war between territories right next to each other.

[FossilFree]

For example, I saw this picture recently on the official forums. I could see these being added to Void Elves as hair color options:



They aren't the full gamut of natural hair colors, but four out of five of them fall under what most would consider "natural" (White, Black, Blonde, Brown). The blonde option shown here is also nothing like the blondes that Blood Elves have (it falls more into the beige blonde category). I could see the devs adding something like that as opposed to giving Void Elves a copy of Blood Elf blondes.

Now those are natural Void Elf hair colors done right! Except the blue one isn't natural, but it still looks good too.

[Ardenaso]

We can agree on that. It's a minority. But still. It's promising. In a Horde's capital, a good portion of its citizen favor the Alliance over the Horde.

And we know Alleria and Vereesa both want to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.

Odds are good to expect a Battle of Silvermoon in the next expansion with Turalyon -once member of the Alliance of Lordaeron- saying he wants to take back former Alliance holdings. Ans who's his wife ? A Silvermoon citizen banished from her own homeland.

I'm super excited to see how it will unfold.

I hope it ends up badly. I still prefer Quel'thalas and especially Silvermoon to remain Horde. Whether Alleria or Vereesa has good intentions, the majority still sees them as mere human stooges. Given the anti-Alliance propaganda in just the Bazaar alone, the Silver Covenant are all wanted terrorists who betrayed their own people and the Void Elves to them are monsters whose existence are affront to their Sunwell. And Alleria is a fallen hero who joined the enemy of the state. To them at least. Especially when you have Rommath as one of the core leaders

[Traveler Voltin]

We can agree on that. It's a minority. But still. It's promising. In a Horde's capital, a good portion of its citizen favor the Alliance over the Horde.

And we know Alleria and Vereesa both want to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.

Odds are good to expect a Battle of Silvermoon in the next expansion with Turalyon -once member of the Alliance of Lordaeron- saying he wants to take back former Alliance holdings. Ans who's his wife ? A Silvermoon citizen banished from her own homeland.

I'm super excited to see how it will unfold.

prove it then

[Mungho]

We can agree on that. It's a minority. But still. It's promising. In a Horde's capital, a good portion of its citizen favor the Alliance over the Horde.

And we know Alleria and Vereesa both want to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.

Odds are good to expect a Battle of Silvermoon in the next expansion with Turalyon -once member of the Alliance of Lordaeron- saying he wants to take back former Alliance holdings. Ans who's his wife ? A Silvermoon citizen banished from her own homeland.

I'm super excited to see how it will unfold.

And just what Alliance capital would be given to the Horde for balance?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

And just what Alliance capital would be given to the Horde for balance?

Even if a battle for Silvermoon happens, it doesn't mean it would be a success for the Alliance.

[Mungho]

Even if a battle for Silvermoon happens, it doesn't mean it would be a success for the Alliance.

The problem is the poster I replied to(as well as others) obviously wants it to be a success, ignoring all the problems it would cause.

[Varodoc]

I hope it ends up badly. I still prefer Quel'thalas and especially Silvermoon to remain Horde. Whether Alleria or Vereesa has good intentions, the majority still sees them as mere human stooges. Given the anti-Alliance propaganda in just the Bazaar alone, the Silver Covenant are all wanted terrorists who betrayed their own people and the Void Elves to them are monsters whose existence are affront to their Sunwell. And Alleria is a fallen hero who joined the enemy of the state. To them at least. Especially when you have Rommath as one of the core leaders

Alleria 100% has good intentions and she is 100% right.

The Horde has dragged the blood elves in not one but two consecutive world wars, in which countless elves were needlessly butchered. Garrosh literally sent thousands of young elves into suicide missions in Pandaria. Theron even acknowledged that Garrosh got his bell through the sheer blood of his people.

The blood elves joined the Horde to defeat the Scourge, and the Scourge has been defeated. They remain in the Horde purely for gameplay reasons. The Purge of Dalaran happened purely for gameplay reasons, and even then Theron was already negotiating with Varian to rejoin the Alliance.

And who can forget how Sylvanas Windrunner shamelessly blackmailed the Sin'dorei at the start of WotLK and completely ignored their pleas to not go to Northrend?

As Alleria is 100% right and Quel'Thalas does not belong in the Horde, it is not a surprise that many in Sin'dorei society would find her ideals inspiring. Alleria is not the first who fought to bring Quel'Thalas back into the fold, but she holds influence and recognition to a degree that Vereesa and Auric simply CANNOT compare. Alleria Windrunner is a war hero, a legend, so when a war hero says "Quel'Thalas should leave the Horde", then it's just normal that many would start to rethink their current allegiance to the Horde.

Regardless, Alleria does not wish to harm Quel'Thalas in any way. She disagrees with the current government, but she still genuinely loves her homeland and seeks to protect it her own way. Trust me, if Alleria wanted Quel'Thalas destroyed, she would've already done it in BfA.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

The problem is the poster I replied to(as well as others) obviously wants it to be a success, ignoring all the problems it would cause.

I mean sure, like you can see some people are biased to the idea of Silvermoon returning to the alliance and use the idea of a Battle for Silvermoon as a way to get there. but personally, I do think the idea of a "civil war" in Quel'thalas by itself would be awesome to explore, even if the alliance doesn't get the city.

So that's the thing, look at the merit of the idea itself and put aside others people's biases for a bit, and I truly think a Battle for Silvermoon would be a great way to finally pay off almost 15 years of set up of a divided Thalassian people that has only increased on the last few years with the Ren'dorei entering the picture.

[Kyriani]

Anyone who thinks Silvermoon will ever be an Alliance welcoming capital in the WoW MMO is delusional IMO. It's just not going to happen. Blizzard would have to give tit for tat and make an Alliance capital welcoming of the Horde, and that's just as ridiculous. Capitals being destroyed is more likely than capitals ever welcoming the opposite faction.

[Varodoc]

I don't care about Silvermoon the city, it's a stupid, decrepit left-over from 2007. Sure it might be nostalgic (it is), but it's buggy and broken. Refer to any "Silvermoon Parkour Challenge" video if you don't believe me.

However, it makes 100% sense that many within Silvermoon would reject the current government to follow Alleria's ideals. It is only natural that such a thing would happen, as I thoroughly explained.

Blizzard will NEVER update Silvermoon, as they'd have to rebuild it from scratch in the EK world map. That doesn't mean they can't make a few instanced scenarios in there, however. They already did with the Nightborne recruitment scenario.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Anyone who think Silvermoon will ever be an Alliance welcoming capital in the WoW MMO is delusional IMO. It's just not going to happen. Blizzard would have to give tit for tat and make an Alliance capital welcoming of the Horde, and that's just as ridiculous. Capitals being destroyed is more likely than capitals ever welcoming the opposite faction.

Yeah, I have to agree with that 100%.

Though I have to say, I would have loved a Warfront: Eversong if only for have resulted in an updated zone; felt like the perfect opportunity, alas, it has passed.

Just imagining Silvermoon updated to have Suramar's quality makes me sigh. So beautiful!

[Mungho]

I don't care about Silvermoon the city, it's a stupid, decrepit left-over from 2007. Sure it might be nostalgic (it is), but it's buggy and broken. Refer to any "Silvermoon Parkour Challenge" video if you don't believe me.

However, it makes 100% sense that many within Silvermoon would reject the current government to follow Alleria's ideals. It is only natural that such a thing would happen, as I thoroughly explained.

Blizzard will NEVER update Silvermoon, as they'd have to rebuild it from scratch in the EK world map. That doesn't mean they can't make a few instanced scenarios in there, however. They already did with the Nightborne recruitment scenario.

I might've been too harsh, I apologize. With the Horde narratively destroyed by the writers, I worry about Blizzard giving pieces of it to the Alliance, no matter how unlikely it seems. Considering the state the Horde is in now, I'd imagine many BE would like to leave the Horde.
Wait, if a Blood Elf joined the Alliance, would they automatically become a High Elf?

[Kyriani]

Yeah, I have to agree with that 100%.

Though I have to say, I would have loved a Warfront: Eversong if only for have resulted in an updated zone; felt like the perfect opportunity, alas, it has passed.

Just imagining Silvermoon updated to have Suramar's quality makes me sigh. So beautiful!

I agree. I would have loved an Eversong warfront, if only to update Silvermoon/Eversong Woods/Ghostlands into flyable areas. And by virtue of doing this, flight could be enabled in the Draenei starting zones, which need no extra work since the Exodar is self contained and all the Draenei starting areas are complete from every angle.

[Varodoc]

I might've been too harsh, I apologize. With the Horde narratively destroyed by the writers, I worry about Blizzard giving pieces of it to the Alliance, no matter how unlikely it seems. Considering the state the Horde is in now, I'd imagine many BE would like to leave the Horde.
Wait, if a Blood Elf joined the Alliance, would they automatically become a High Elf?

Oh I wasn't offended, I was just surprised you were going on a tangent on how Silvermoon will not become an Alliance capital.

I'm pretty sure that everyone realizes Silvermoon and Exodar will never be updated, and the fact they did not become fly zones in Cataclysm was the obvious red flag. Still, that doesn't mean they can't be the location of some instanced story scenarios.

[Ardenaso]

Alleria 100% has good intentions and she is 100% right.

The Horde has dragged the blood elves in not one but two consecutive world wars, in which countless elves were needlessly butchered. Garrosh literally sent thousands of young elves into suicide missions in Pandaria. Theron even acknowledged that Garrosh got his bell through the sheer blood of his people.

The blood elves joined the Horde to defeat the Scourge, and the Scourge has been defeated. They remain in the Horde purely for gameplay reasons. The Purge of Dalaran happened purely for gameplay reasons, and even then Theron was already negotiating with Varian to rejoin the Alliance.

And who can forget how Sylvanas Windrunner shamelessly blackmailed the Sin'dorei at the start of WotLK and completely ignored their pleas to not go to Northrend?

As Alleria is 100% right and Quel'Thalas does not belong in the Horde, it is not a surprise that many in Sin'dorei society would find her ideals inspiring. Alleria is not the first who fought to bring Quel'Thalas back into the fold, but she holds influence and recognition to a degree that Vereesa and Auric simply CANNOT compare. Alleria Windrunner is a war hero, a legend, so when a war hero says "Quel'Thalas should leave the Horde", then it's just normal that many would start to rethink their current allegiance to the Horde.

Regardless, Alleria does not wish to harm Quel'Thalas in any way. She disagrees with the current government, but she still genuinely loves her homeland and seeks to protect it her own way. Trust me, if Alleria wanted Quel'Thalas destroyed, she would've already done it in BfA.

I mean yes, but Rommath's propaganda machine wouldn't easily make it possible

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And just what Alliance capital would be given to the Horde for balance?

not an Alliance capital but to balance the Alliance victories after BFA I do wish for a complete and total reunification of the Forsaken and the Argent Lordaeronians where the Forsaken are fully accepted by them. That means all of Eastweald (Hearthglen, Stratholme, Tyr's Hand, Light's Hope) becomes Horde lands.

and of course, Alterac lands going back to their rightful owners as well as the Alterac Grasslands (Tarren Mill, Southshore, Durnholde). Alteraci Humans for the Horde

(we all know Quel'thalas and Silvermoon will never be Alliance)

I really prefer the Alliance Thalassians to do a Dath'remar and settle in Eldre'thalas, that land is waiting for them for them to restore it and make it their new homeland. With Mordent, Vereesa, and Umbric as advisors to Alleria