Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Vaedan]

That will depend on whether the events that transpire in the Shadowlands become public knowledge or are confined to a select few.

I doubt that the average citizen of Silvermoon will learn of what transpired in Revendreth against Sire Denathrius.

In fact, the average citizen of Azeroth probably doesn't even know that Sylvanas broke the veil, or is in league with the Jailer. Only a select few like the Argent Crusade would know of Sylvanas' true actions.

Now that I think about it, the public most likely doesn't even know about the incident that transpired at the Sunwell in the first place. I can't imagine that Theron and Rommath would want the public to know that Alleria Windrunner has the powers to bring about the downfall of Thalassian civilization, since she's with the Alliance. It would be classified information that only the government and military know.

I'm pretty sure such huge event like shattering the Veil can't be kept secret. Just look at the sky in Icecrown... the evidence is pretty obvious here. I mean, they probably can keep secret for short time that leaders of the Horde were kidnapped, but not for long. That definitely will be general knowledge. Even if the Horde would for some reason like to keep that secret from their people, there is still Argent Crusade and everybody who will travel to Icecrown will see the result of Sylvanas' actions. Her allegience to Jailer will most likely be unknown to most. I guess words of that will reach the most influencial leaders though.

Sunwell incident could be also used as a propaganda against void elves and the Alliance, if served well. Right now, we don't know what leaked into public. It may be secret, which can be used later.

It was pride with what we see in revendreth and I think they try to set him on a redemption and it showed him just trying to hard to save hes people and therefor making wrong choices and I believe the accuser even mentioned sonething about being tricked.

No matter the old lore, new lore is there and will shed a differnt light on him. He will be usefull and I hope we get some more interaction with him and lorte mar for example.

Bc lore was crap and the evidence all around that they are trying to fix this. Illidan, Vashj and Kael. Mark my words.

Yes, it is pretty obvious they are trying to fix the mess they did in TBC by butchering fan favorite characters. We had Illidans ressurection in Legion, now we meet both Vashj and Kael in way more better position. I must confess, accompanying Vashj in Maldraxxus was the best part of the zone for me.

As of Kael, I have no doubts he will be redeemed by the end of Shadowlands. I hope Blizz will not waste this opportunity and make some interactions with him and other characters, but at the same time, I think Kael will stick in Revendreth and will not come back to Azeroth. This is his chance to cleanse his name and by doing so, help blood elves to move on with the Sunstrider's Legacy.

But why? The void elves and some rp high elves should imo go build or do their own thing. The blood elves have the nightborne as their closest to help and they are fine within the horde. They obviously would get alot of support since both are in the council. Times have changed.

They keep falling back to blood elf lore and they are outsiders.. they are a danger and are with the alliance. They havr no buisness in silvermoon.. their herritage is no longer there. They wasted that. I mean blizz should focus on them having their own thing and leave silvermoon to the blood elves. Alleria is a danger to that place. No matter how bad you want that story, its not a good idea realy.

Like it or not, high elves and void elves still share their history with blood elves, so I don't think it is strange to intertwine them to some extent. I agree with you that both of them should develop something unique for them, but that does not really mean they had to give up their thalassian roots. Both high and void elves showed to be pretty proud to their ancestry, they just chose other means to defend or honor their roots.

[Varodoc]

I'm pretty sure such huge event like shattering the Veil can't be kept secret. Just look at the sky in Icecrown... the evidence is pretty obvious here. I mean, they probably can keep secret for short time that leaders of the Horde were kidnapped, but not for long. That definitely will be general knowledge. Even if the Horde would for some reason like to keep that secret from their people, there is still Argent Crusade and everybody who will travel to Icecrown will see the result of Sylvanas' actions. Her allegience to Jailer will most likely be unknown to most. I guess words of that will reach the most influencial leaders though.

Yes, but they wouldn't know that Sylvanas did it. Remember that the public doesn't even know Bolvar is still alive. The public believes that both the Lich King and Bolvar Fordragon died years ago. "Tell them only that the Lich King is dead, and that Bolvar Fordragon died with him."
So if you told an average citizen that Sylvanas fought the Lich King in battle and shattered the veil, they would call it... hmm, what's the term... ah yes, "fake news".

Similarly, they wouldn't know what is happening in Revendreth, since it's literally on the other side of the cosmic veil separating life and death. Unless Theron somehow appears in Revendreth to witness Kael'thas' "redemption" and report back to his people, they will never know. And even then, I'm sure many would think that he's full of BS since, again, literally going on an adventure to Hell sounds like madness to an average joe.

This is something people often ignore: the main characters and PC are literally "0.1%" of the world population. The information available to them is not available to the public. The main characters and PC know that Sylvanas shattered the veil after defeating Bolvar, and made an alliance with the Jailer to subvert the cosmic order. But would the fruit vendor in Silvermooon know this? Huh, I really doubt that.

[Rhlor]

The Alliance having in the same time Suramar, Silvermoon, and de facto Dalaran would be super boring imo.

Suramar needs to stay Horde. But Dalaran needs to go on the Alliance again. And Silvermoon should be contested.

Blood elves are so hypocritical on that matter. "Human r evil blabla but can we stay in Dalaran plz ?"

do you talk in the game or with the players? because as a player I prefer suramar and silvermoon. I can understand that there are npcs that see dalaran as their home because they lived there for hundreds of years I remember a npcs that says that.

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Tbh, Suramar doesnt need to stay horde at all it's the kaldorei civilization, horde already have the civilisation of the trolls and all their playable races, why do they need the civilization of the night elves too?
They dont..

Further to that I would re establish the high elves and give Silvermoon to the alliance, replacing its presence on the horde with Zul'aman and Zul'drak - elevating trolls on the horde and reducing elves to a remnant. As it should be.

In time, several expansions into the future, the remnant blood elf and exile nightborne can build something cool if blizzard feel the horde needs elves again to grow, but I think relying on elves for the horde isn't good for their faction nor its identity and flies in the face all the things they profess they want to achieve by having two separate factions maintaining the original heart of the factions.

I could understand it when the horde were vastly outnumbered, but it seems silly to continue especially when the reverse is true at end game, and the alliance is the one vastly outnumbered.

The horde should keep blood elves and nightborne only in name and model and lose everything else about them to the alliance . It fits if we are honest, the Thalassian and kaldorei kingdoms really arent needed on the horde, they are necessary on the alliance though, the elves are the only race the alliance cares about and the core horde fans really want their influence rid off and restored to the core horde races which the elves aren't really, just like the alliance want the restoration of the strong alliance core races which includes the high elves and the kaldorei.

At this point its unnecessary for the horde to have the night elves' and high elves' civilization and both alliance and the horde would fair better with them replaced. On the horde, they will fair better by the elven influence and infrastructure of the blood elf and nightborne replaced by horde races like trolls and orcs/pandas etc getti g more cities and assets to replace the elven ones lost to the alliance, while the alliance will fair better with their high elves and night elves actually shining once more on their faction..

Only the horde elf fans would complain, but it would cause a few of them to return to the alliance where they should be if elves is what they love boosting alliance numbers a little, and for those of them who hate the alliance, well, they fit nicely with the alliance hating remnant blood elves and nightborne who would still be on the horde, forever resenting the high elves and night elves for gaining their stuff back which is what you want in faction enmity.

Horde becomes more horde, alliance becomes es more alliance, and all it toom was to reverse the horde elf push funny that huh

url]https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2323638-High-elves-on-the-alliance[/url]

Can it be true? really true? it's the first tangible piece of evidence, i dare not believe it.. if so YES , FANTASTIC YES ... I have LONGED FOR THIS, campaigned for this, switched sides for this.
http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...aces-datamined

Move over night elves (don't really care that much about you any more, you were a placeholder) and welcome the high elves coming home. Although they have a twist to them now that is known as void elves, they have been linked with the alliance. And nightborne with the horde (a fair trade if you ask me) hordies can get some night elf lore they can attach to, and finally we can have access to high elves.

To be honest i never really liked night elves that much, but we had no choice in vanilla as they wer the only elves available, and since high elves never materialised, (blood elves felt wrong) I kinda adopted them. Remember they were the first elves to show up in the warcraft story, the whole point of night elves is to be a background for the high elves. Blood elves was just a flavor who's horde placement was only there to fix the balance problems back there. This is the true homecoming of the elves.

The lengths i have gone through for this. EVERY CHARACTER is going to race change to high (void) elf. Every single one.

YES YES YES YES YES YES .. . what lovely news to come home to.. it surely is far too late to change, anyway, so lets hear it. How excited are you about this?

very good new blizzard, very good news.

And it is said by the person who was happy to exchange the lore kaldorei and the night elf / nightborne model for the high elves.

When the exchange was confirmed you were happy and you agreed that the horde had a kaldorei kingdom now you want everything.

wanting to steal the aesthetics, lore and cities of playable races is wrong

[Alanar]

I'm pretty sure such huge event like shattering the Veil can't be kept secret. Just look at the sky in Icecrown... the evidence is pretty obvious here. I mean, they probably can keep secret for short time that leaders of the Horde were kidnapped, but not for long. That definitely will be general knowledge. Even if the Horde would for some reason like to keep that secret from their people, there is still Argent Crusade and everybody who will travel to Icecrown will see the result of Sylvanas' actions. Her allegience to Jailer will most likely be unknown to most. I guess words of that will reach the most influencial leaders though.

Sunwell incident could be also used as a propaganda against void elves and the Alliance, if served well. Right now, we don't know what leaked into public. It may be secret, which can be used later.




Yes, it is pretty obvious they are trying to fix the mess they did in TBC by butchering fan favorite characters. We had Illidans ressurection in Legion, now we meet both Vashj and Kael in way more better position. I must confess, accompanying Vashj in Maldraxxus was the best part of the zone for me.

As of Kael, I have no doubts he will be redeemed by the end of Shadowlands. I hope Blizz will not waste this opportunity and make some interactions with him and other characters, but at the same time, I think Kael will stick in Revendreth and will not come back to Azeroth. This is his chance to cleanse his name and by doing so, help blood elves to move on with the Sunstrider's Legacy.




Like it or not, high elves and void elves still share their history with blood elves, so I don't think it is strange to intertwine them to some extent. I agree with you that both of them should develop something unique for them, but that does not really mean they had to give up their thalassian roots. Both high and void elves showed to be pretty proud to their ancestry, they just chose other means to defend or honor their roots.

Same for me I thought these nods to vashj in maldraxxus and talking about why she choose her form is already more then we ever got in tbc.

I dont think thats a very good idea to keep them intertwined, since its already the same race which makes it even weirder. Blood elves lore is just that and the void elves would have that AND their void stuff. It feels like stealing or leaning to muchon the blood elves which is bad thing imo.

They were cast out.. way before, I think there should be a story bout that and what that means. To hold on false herritage were they are not even welcome , should be a good indicater why you guys should move on from that idea. I saw some people saying well then blood elves should get something extra.. in my opinion thats the wrong way. It should be the other eay around and let the void elves do their void things and expand on it.

I mean you have to agree with me that its actually silly that they have the same story. Why should the blood elves make room for them? They dont even like the void elves.

I am realy against that idea, same with night elves and nightborne. Their motives are so differnt and still some are trying so hard to make them fit in their own narrative. Thats just not how it works.

I am all for race own unique identity and so far it works out well.. just void elves kinda lack on all front on that. Nightborne have their arcane thing.. its like night elves asking the arcane stuff. That is already happening. But because of these examples.. you will be known for stealing things the horde has. Thats bad.

Alleria was the one and only example to enter silvermoon and basically gets kicked out. Well she kicked herself out even better.

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do you talk in the game or with the players? because as a player I prefer suramar and silvermoon. I can understand that there are npcs that see suramar as their home because they lived there for hundreds of years I remember a npcs that says that.

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url]https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2323638-High-elves-on-the-alliance[/url]




And it is said by the person who was happy to exchange the lore kaldorei and the night elf / nightborne model for the high elves.

When the exchange was confirmed you were happy and you agreed that the horde had a kaldorei kingdom now you want everything.

wanting to rob playable races of their stuff is clearly a bad thing

Yup that guy...

[ravenmoon]

do you talk in the game or with the players? because as a player I prefer suramar and silvermoon. I can understand that there are npcs that see suramar as their home because they lived there for hundreds of years I remember a npcs that says that.

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url]https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2323638-High-elves-on-the-alliance[/url]




And it is said by the person who was happy to exchange the lore kaldorei and the night elf / nightborne model for the high elves.

When the exchange was confirmed you were happy and you agreed that the horde had a kaldorei kingdom now you want everything.

wanting to rob playable races of their stuff is clearly a bad thing

Elves dont belong on the horde, they're an alliance race a faction of which was ported over to the horde to boost numbers.

It's pointless arguing about exchanges or the nonsense that has filled fans' heads.

Alliance fans shouldn't feel they need to exchange one of their races' sub race to get access to another of their races as playable- it's so silly, but you can fool desperate people into thinking they are getting a good deal when they dont have to settle at all.

It's how con artist work

[Rhlor]

Same for me I thought these nods to vashj in maldraxxus and talking about why she choose her form is already more then we ever got in tbc.

I dont think thats a very good idea to keep them intertwined, since its already the same race which makes it even weirder. Blood elves lore is just that and the void elves would have that AND their void stuff. It feels like stealing or leaning to muchon the blood elves which is bad thing imo.

They were cast out.. way before, I think there should be a story bout that and what that means. To hold on false herritage were they are not even welcome , should be a good indicater why you guys should move on from that idea. I saw some people saying well then blood elves should get something extra.. in my opinion thats the wrong way. It should be the other eay around and let the void elves do their void things and expand on it.

I mean you have to agree with me that its actually silly that they have the same story. Why should the blood elves make room for them? They dont even like the void elves.

I am realy against that idea, same with night elves and nightborne. Their motives are so differnt and still some are trying so hard to make them fit in their own narrative. Thats just not how it works.

I am all for race own unique identity and so far it works out well.. just void elves kinda lack on all front on that. Nightborne have their arcane thing.. its like night elves asking the arcane stuff. That is already happening. But because of these examples.. you will be known for stealing things the horde has. Thats bad.

Alleria was the one and only example to enter silvermoon and basically gets kicked out. Well she kicked herself out even better.

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Yup that guy...

for our friend at that time it was a fair exchange! all his complaint now is nothing but a sham

[Tanaria]

Elves dont belong on the horde, they're an alliance race a faction of which was ported over to the horde to boost numbers.

It's pointless arguing about exchanges or the nonsense that has filled fans' heads.

Alliance fans shouldn't feel they need to exchange one of their races' sub race to get access to another of their races as playable- it's so silly, but you can fool desperate people into thinking they are getting a good deal when they dont have to settle at all.

It's how con artist work

Alliance fans are not important when it comes to the Sin'dorei or Shal'dorei.

Your precious Kaldorei are the reason why neither Quel'Thalas or Suramar are part of the Alliance.

[Rhlor]

Elves dont belong on the horde, they're an alliance race a faction of which was ported over to the horde to boost numbers.

It's pointless arguing about exchanges or the nonsense that has filled fans' heads.

Alliance fans shouldn't feel they need to exchange one of their races' sub race to get access to another of their races as playable- it's so silly, but you can fool desperate people into thinking they are getting a good deal when they dont have to settle at all.

It's how con artist work

you! you were the one who said it was fair trade! not me!

for you having high elves in exchange for lore and the night elf model was a fair trade!

now you changed your mind because you don't feel satisfied you want more!

but in its time for you and for many other players of the alliance this was a fair trade! and you celebrated!

I did not want nightborne as a playable race in the horde because I do like night elves and lore and I thought they should be in the alliance or maybe be a neutral race. but you did want this exchange.

now suramar is ours and must remain ours because it is a racial capital of a playable race of the horde.


P.D: I always wanted the exchange for the humans of Alterac

[Tanaria]

you! you were the one who said it was fair trade! not me!

for you having high elves in exchange for lore and the night elf model was a fair trade!

now you changed your mind because you don't feel satisfied you want more!

but in its time for you and for many other players of the alliance this was a fair trade! and you celebrated!

I did not want nightborne as a playable race in the horde because I do like night elves and lore and I thought they should be in the alliance or maybe be a neutral race. but you did want this exchange.

now suramar is ours and must remain ours because it is a racial capital of a playable race of the horde.


P.D: I always wanted the exchange for the humans of Alterac

Alliance fans are not important for the development of Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei.
Always remember that. They are Horde and it's brilliant to see them work alongside their Horde allies.

[Rhlor]

Alliance fans are not important when it comes to the Sin'dorei or Shal'dorei.

Your precious Kaldorei are the reason why neither Quel'Thalas or Suramar are part of the Alliance.

Can it be true? really true? it's the first tangible piece of evidence, i dare not believe it.. if so YES , FANTASTIC YES ... I have LONGED FOR THIS, campaigned for this, switched sides for this.
http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog...aces-datamined

Move over night elves (don't really care that much about you any more, you were a placeholder) and welcome the high elves coming home. Although they have a twist to them now that is known as void elves, they have been linked with the alliance. And nightborne with the horde (a fair trade if you ask me) hordies can get some night elf lore they can attach to, and finally we can have access to high elves.

To be honest i never really liked night elves that much, but we had no choice in vanilla as they wer the only elves available, and since high elves never materialised, (blood elves felt wrong) I kinda adopted them. Remember they were the first elves to show up in the warcraft story, the whole point of night elves is to be a background for the high elves. Blood elves was just a flavor who's horde placement was only there to fix the balance problems back there. This is the true homecoming of the elves.

The lengths i have gone through for this. EVERY CHARACTER is going to race change to high (void) elf. Every single one.

YES YES YES YES YES YES .. . what lovely news to come home to.. it surely is far too late to change, anyway, so lets hear it. How excited are you about this?

very good new blizzard, very good news.

but if ravenmoon didn't care about the kaldorei! He made it clear when it was announced that the void elves were to be for the alliance and the nightborne for the horde! He only cared about the high elves being playable in the alliance that the horde had the suramar, lore, night elf model was a fair exchange for him.

all he is doing now is seeking to steal content from the horde that at first it seemed good that the horde had in exchange for the high elves.

ravenmoon the alliance has high elves! that's what you wanted! now stop wanting to steal our capitals!

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Alliance fans are not important for the development of Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei.
Always remember that. They are Horde and it's brilliant to see them work alongside their Horde allies.

I like to see how the shaldorei and sindorei work together! and I love that lorthemar and thalyssra are a couple!

but I don't like that revanmoon lies! He wanted the exchange and it seemed like a fair exchange! all he's asking and complaining about is nothing more than being greedy besides being a liar, he blames blizzard for a horde bias for giving the horde nightbone when in his time he congratulated and thanked blizzard for this exchange

[Tanaria]

but if ravenmoon didn't care about the kaldorei! He made it clear when it was announced that the void elves were to be for the alliance and the nightborne for the horde! He only cared about the high elves being playable in the alliance that the horde had the suramar, lore, night elf model was a fair exchange for him.

all he is doing now is seeking to steal content from the horde that at first it seemed good that the horde had in exchange for the high elves.

ravenmoon the alliance has high elves! that's what you wanted! now stop wanting to steal our capitals!

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I like to see how the shaldorei and sindorei work together! and I love that lorthemar and thalyssra are a couple!

but I don't like that revanmoon lies! He wanted the exchange and it seemed like a fair exchange! all he's asking and complaining about is nothing more than being greedy besides being a liar, he blames blizzard for a horde bias for giving the horde nightbone when in his time he congratulated and thanked blizzard for this exchange

Well it's as he says; "Elves don't belong on the Horde." He's entitled to that wrong view, of course.

But that does show a clear ignorance of the lore and why Blood Elves and Nightborne are not Alliance and why they find similarity between each other, rather than their tree-loving cousins (Night Elves) or their human-loving cousins (High and Void Elves)

[FlubberPuddy]

Bc lore was crap and the evidence all around that they are trying to fix this. Illidan, Vashj and kael. Mark my words.

This has been known for a very very very long time. Especially since Blizzard themselves back then came out and said the way they handled key characters were terrible.

It's actually why we got the whole Illidan arc/book during Legion, and why they're involving Vashj & Kael again.

Basically other than maybe the zone settings of TBC, people shouldn't take the lore of key figures during that time as canon. Since Blizzard is currently, and has been for a while, essentially re-writing it.

[Ardenaso]

This has been known for a very very very long time. Especially since Blizzard themselves back then came out and said the way they handled key characters were terrible.

It's actually why we got the whole Illidan arc/book during Legion, and why they're involving Vashj & Kael again.

Basically other than maybe the zone settings of TBC, people shouldn't take the lore of key figures during that time as canon. Since Blizzard is currently, and has been for a while, essentially re-writing it.

I assume Classic will have a major rework, remaster, and re-overhaul?

well they didn't make Stratholme into a port city as it was in WC2 and Reforged

[ravenmoon]

Well it's as he says; "Elves don't belong on the Horde." He's entitled to that wrong view, of course.

But that does show a clear ignorance of the lore and why Blood Elves and Nightborne are not Alliance and why they find similarity between each other, rather than their tree-loving cousins (Night Elves) or their human-loving cousins (High and Void Elves)

Look, I didn't design the game, the alliance or the horde, they did, and Elves don't fit on the horde, never did, they've changed the horde just to fit the elves in, it doesn't work, no body likes it but horde elf fans, and it's disproportionate. . furthermore it's un-necessary.

While they can't go back, horde elves playable are here to stay, they don't need to be a big thing on the horde, nor should they be.. the balance can be fixed with the elven development focused entirely on the alliance, with the horde having access tot he high elves and night elves as playable on the blood elves and Nightborne, small niche remnant groups, nothing more.

Sooner or later, if they haven't realised it or seen it, blizzard will. The moment they hire or promote a competent person to creative lead , and actually look at their own product properly, they'll see all of this.

They'll see how very much alliance themed elves are

• How and why the decision was taken for blood elves to cross over to boost the numbers
• How un-necessary elven glorification and promotion on the horde is at this point when it's the alliance way down on numbers
• How beneficial to fixing both horde identity and image crises and improving the alliance it will be.

The horde theme and make up never needed alliance elves, - only the numbers did, and blood elves were a fast and easy solution, but were not hte only ones.

they have never fit the horde theme, or meshed with the horde philosophy either, to have changed the horde to accomodate them has diminished the horde itself and severely wounded or rather crippled the alliance too.

They are a problem that is so easy to fix by shifting the elven focus back and totally to the alliance. While they can't remove blood elves and nightborne as playable, they don't need to expand them and certianly don't need them hugging the kingdom of the high elves or the Kaldorei civilization - the most loved paspects of the alliance, when the horde does not need them and should have been expanding the Trolls and orcs a lot more instead.

This is what they would return to, and the horde willb e better for it, so would the alliance.

there is nothing that says the elves have to be the only attractive or desired thing in warcraft, and they aren't. They are to a lot of alliance fans and alliance minded people on the horde - many fans would be delighted with more amazing Zandslari troll stuff, and new races or incarnations of orcs and goblins that also bring great things to the table in a horde way.

no need to keep porting alliance favourites over. time to return them to the alliance. For the alliance.

[Tanaria]

Look, I didn't design the game, the alliance or the horde, they did, and Elves don't fit on the horde, never did, they've changed the horde just to fit the elves in, it doesn't work, no body likes it but horde elf fans, and it's disproportionate. . furthermore it's un-necessary.

While they can't go back, horde elves playable are here to stay, they don't need to be a big thing on the horde, nor should they be.. the balance can be fixed with the elven development focused entirely on the alliance, with the horde having access tot he high elves and night elves as playable on the blood elves and Nightborne, small niche remnant groups, nothing more.

Sooner or later, if they haven't realised it or seen it, blizzard will. The moment they hire or promote a competent person to creative lead , and actually look at their own product properly, they'll see all of this.

They'll see how very much alliance themed elves are

• How and why the decision was taken for blood elves to cross over to boost the numbers
• How un-necessary elven glorification and promotion on the horde is at this point when it's the alliance way down on numbers
• How beneficial to fixing both horde identity and image crises and improving the alliance it will be.

The horde theme and make up never needed alliance elves, - only the numbers did, and blood elves were a fast and easy solution, but were not hte only ones.

they have never fit the horde theme, or meshed with the horde philosophy either, to have changed the horde to accomodate them has diminished the horde itself and severely wounded or rather crippled the alliance too.

They are a problem that is so easy to fix by shifting the elven focus back and totally to the alliance. While they can't remove blood elves and nightborne as playable, they don't need to expand them and certianly don't need them hugging the kingdom of the high elves or the Kaldorei civilization - the most loved paspects of the alliance, when the horde does not need them and should have been expanding the Trolls and orcs a lot more instead.

This is what they would return to, and the horde willb e better for it, so would the alliance.

there is nothing that says the elves have to be the only attractive or desired thing in warcraft, and they aren't. They are to a lot of alliance fans and alliance minded people on the horde - many fans would be delighted with more amazing Zandslari troll stuff, and new races or incarnations of orcs and goblins that also bring great things to the table in a horde way.

no need to keep porting alliance favourites over. time to return them to the alliance. For the alliance.

Or Horde Elves stay as they are and you have no say in how they are developed since your Alliance.

Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei are not for your concern. We Horde Elf fans will talk about how they should be developed. Not biased alliance fans, who either don't know the lore or can't accept the lore.

Alliance is just "Humans and the rest." Get rid of that and your Elves have the potential to shine. Your not taking ours so forget that idea, for a start. You don't deserve Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei, ravenmoon - or their cities.
You don't get to dictate to Horde fans about what they should want. Your not morally superior just because you want have fantasies about nelfs and helfs who are all under the rule of the Humans. Hell, Tyrande couldn't even make a decision on how to fight without Varian coming in.

That's telling on why Silvermoon and Suramar need to stay the hell away from the alliance. Your just blind to what the real problems are, on the Alliance. It's not the Horde elf story. It's your own story.

[Ardenaso]

You guys should move the discussion here

It doesn't change the fact that when they chose to rename themselves Blood Elves, they lost any claim to that name. Silver Covenant and generally speaking Alliance aligned High Elves are the last true High Elves left. Before accusing others of not knowing the lore, perhaps learn it first ?

Blood Elves pay homage to the murdered Quel'dorei. It's why they are called "Blood" Elves.

They are still the same people as they were before the Third War, only this time - they can see how Humans and Night Elves treat them and they know better. They have become a stronger race and a race on the rise. Befell by devastation years ago and coming out of it stronger. The Blood Elves are truly a race that is worthy of it's Highborne bloodline status.

The Silver Covenant are - from what I can see - a group of Dalaran Exiles now, since their enclave was taken over by the Worgen...a cool race.

So I do know my lore. I care nothing for what the Alliance wants, but don't spread misinformation about the Horde races, which you know nothing about.

[Rhlor]

Look, I didn't design the game, the alliance or the horde, they did, and Elves don't fit on the horde, never did, they've changed the horde just to fit the elves in, it doesn't work, no body likes it but horde elf fans, and it's disproportionate. . furthermore it's un-necessary.

While they can't go back, horde elves playable are here to stay, they don't need to be a big thing on the horde, nor should they be.. the balance can be fixed with the elven development focused entirely on the alliance, with the horde having access tot he high elves and night elves as playable on the blood elves and Nightborne, small niche remnant groups, nothing more.

Sooner or later, if they haven't realised it or seen it, blizzard will. The moment they hire or promote a competent person to creative lead , and actually look at their own product properly, they'll see all of this.

They'll see how very much alliance themed elves are

• How and why the decision was taken for blood elves to cross over to boost the numbers
• How un-necessary elven glorification and promotion on the horde is at this point when it's the alliance way down on numbers
• How beneficial to fixing both horde identity and image crises and improving the alliance it will be.

The horde theme and make up never needed alliance elves, - only the numbers did, and blood elves were a fast and easy solution, but were not hte only ones.

they have never fit the horde theme, or meshed with the horde philosophy either, to have changed the horde to accomodate them has diminished the horde itself and severely wounded or rather crippled the alliance too.

They are a problem that is so easy to fix by shifting the elven focus back and totally to the alliance. While they can't remove blood elves and nightborne as playable, they don't need to expand them and certianly don't need them hugging the kingdom of the high elves or the Kaldorei civilization - the most loved paspects of the alliance, when the horde does not need them and should have been expanding the Trolls and orcs a lot more instead.

This is what they would return to, and the horde willb e better for it, so would the alliance.

there is nothing that says the elves have to be the only attractive or desired thing in warcraft, and they aren't. They are to a lot of alliance fans and alliance minded people on the horde - many fans would be delighted with more amazing Zandslari troll stuff, and new races or incarnations of orcs and goblins that also bring great things to the table in a horde way.

no need to keep porting alliance favourites over. time to return them to the alliance. For the alliance.

the elves of the horde need to be developed and maintain the characteristics and themes and cities that they have like any other playable race! both the horde and the alliance! the gnomes deserve gnomeregan and the maghar deserve a capital, the forsaken must rebuild lordaeron and the night elves have a beautiful new capital in nordrassil.


what you want is to steal content from the horde.

tell me what made you change your mind? Before you were happy with the exchange, you liked that the alliance had high elves and that the horde had night elves. You said it was good that the horde had suramar and the lore of the nightborne. what happened? because now you want to take away something that for you was a "fair trade" according to your own words.

I did not want the nightborne in the horde, but now we have them they are part of our faction and suramar is their racial capital deal with it

[Ardenaso]

the Alliance got Highborne skin for Night Elves and High Elves in form of fair skinned Void Elves; that's enough

[Grythletubs]

the Alliance got Highborne skin for Night Elves and High Elves in form of fair skinned Void Elves; that's enough

If it is enough for you that's fine, there's nothing wrong with requesting more and you're free to request more options for whichever race you wish to see get more options.
There's no need to hold other people to your standards of what's enough, afterall, no one is holding a knife to Blizzard's throat DEMANDING options, these are just requests.

[Ardenaso]

If it is enough for you that's fine, there's nothing wrong with requesting more and you're free to request more options for whichever race you wish to see get more options.
There's no need to hold other people to your standards of what's enough, afterall, no one is holding a knife to Blizzard's throat DEMANDING options, these are just requests.

I mean yeah sure but I don't think not at the current time when the Alliance is getting too many stuff from the Horde; let everyone else get their stuff first then okay I guess