Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Vasaru]

I mean yeah sure but I don't think not at the current time when the Alliance is getting too many stuff from the Horde; let everyone else get their stuff first then okay I guess

Horde has two playable races that were originally part of the Alliance in addition to that they even got a form of Night Elf in Legion, and now you're telling us they should have a fourth alliance race?

[ravenmoon]

the elves of the horde need to be developed and maintain the characteristics and themes and cities that they have like any other playable race! both the horde and the alliance! the gnomes deserve gnomeregan and the maghar deserve a capital, the forsaken must rebuild lordaeron and the night elves have a beautiful new capital in nordrassil.


what you want is to steal content from the horde.

tell me what made you change your mind? Before you were happy with the exchange, you liked that the alliance had high elves and that the horde had night elves. You said it was good that the horde had suramar and the lore of the nightborne. what happened? because now you want to take away something that for you was a "fair trade" according to your own words.

I did not want the nightborne in the horde, but now we have them they are part of our faction and suramar is their racial capital deal with it

Steal content from the horde...so laughable, we are talking about high elves and night elves here, not orcs, trolls, tauren and goblins..

Steal he says, how laughable

[Rhlor]

Steal content from the horde...so laughable, we are talking about high elves and night elves here, not orcs, trolls, tauren and goblins..

Steal he says, how laughable

you did not answer me

What was it that made you change your mind? Before the alliance had high elves and the nightborne horde seemed like a fair trade in your own words.

the horde has playable elves therefore it is content of the horde, the alliance has its own elves. blizz must develop the defending races of the different factions must not steal the content of another race.

It makes you laugh when you said yourself that it was good that the horde could have the content of the night elves in exchange for playable high elves in the alliance. is what you got.

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If it is enough for you that's fine, there's nothing wrong with requesting more and you're free to request more options for whichever race you wish to see get more options.
There's no need to hold other people to your standards of what's enough, afterall, no one is holding a knife to Blizzard's throat DEMANDING options, these are just requests.

what they are requesting is to steal capitals of playable races of the horde, that's crazy

[ravenmoon]

These new hordies just dont get it.

Restore the fullness of the high elves and night elves to the alliance and all this disappears.

They never stoo to think why this only exists over the blood elves and Nightborne and not the actual horde races like orcs, trolls, tauren, goblin even forsaken.

This is what happens when you take the best alliance stuff and give it to the horde you cant honestly expect the biggest fans of this stuff, the alliance to be content and happy on what is clearly shitting on them to beef up the faction set up to be their enemies.

It will continue as long as blizzard keeps funnelling the best of the alliance to the horde in the elves. Race that doesnt belong there and that the horde no longer needs to have glorified for faction numbers.


Elves on the horde isnt needed, and certainly having the best of these alliance races on the horde is just creating more problems than it is solving.

It's time blizzard start focusing on the alliance elves and end their promotions on the horde for these alliance races

= balance restored horde can be fully horde, alliance fully alliance

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you did not answer me

What was it that made you change your mind? Before the alliance had high elves and the nightborne horde seemed like a fair trade in your own words.

the horde has playable elves therefore it is content of the horde, the alliance has its own elves. blizz must develop the defending races of the different factions must not steal the content of another race.

It makes you laugh when you said yourself that it was good that the horde could have the content of the night elves in exchange for playable high elves in the alliance. is what you got.

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what they are requesting is to steal capitals of playable races of the horde, that's crazy

Must have been a different Ravenmoon back then, too swept up and immersed into the foolish arguments of the day and the bad psychology - anyone can be forgiven for being blind once they see the truth.

Sometimes it just takes stepping back or zooming out..you should try it, sometimes wanting something too badly or clinging to it will warp your perspective and prevent you from seeing clearly.

It's easy to admit you are wrong when you realise the truth about something and realise what the real problem is and what the better solution is. Whiles some good could come out of an exchange, the premise was false, and rubbish to start with, secondly, when you caring so deeply ceases to causes you to fixate on one thing alone, it's easier to see what you couldnt see and easier to grasp the wider picture.

Horde never needed any exchange, and shouldnt have gotten one, Nightborne going horde was perpetuating an error on the momentum or trend of "horde must get better " that the devs had been far too use to.

When they design elves and do an amazing job, they have to realise it is okay for the alliance now to have alliance things that are better than that on the horde but perhaps they need to see their game collapse under the imbalance their unnecessary bias is producing for them to realise "oh shit" the alliance really needs to look better and attract its players again.

They will see as I have seen, that the horde has long since not needed the loan of the Thalassian kingdom and didn't need the kaldorei civilization either. The natural conclusion to fixing this would be return them to their original owners and let the elves on the horde fade into the background, with a token vestige remaining to allow hordies access to pretty models for those who need them, but not needing anything more than that. Certainly not needing elven Thalassian and kaldorei assets shining on the horde who also has all the best of its races when the heart of those elven races still neats strongly and proudly on the alliance where they have always been, always desired and at home.

They will soon see that the horde has been give the best of the
Orcs
Trolls
Tauren
Goblins
Forsaken

In addition to the best of the
Elves
High elves and the Night elves
A d while Pandaren seem equal, they lore wise skewed to the horde.

Leaving the alliance with only more of
Dwarves
Gnomes
Draenei
and most of the humans

Sooner or later blizzard will think to themselves.. wait a minute.. why have we given the horde all their race, then added the best of 2 of the most favoured alliance races, and skewed the pandaren too - off course d'uh the horde will greatly out number the alliance, we've given them the best of literally most of the warcraft playable races.

The logical thing to do would be to restore to the alliance the heart of the elves. They won't remove the blood elves and Nightborne as playable, but the best of the high elves and night elves they placed on the horde will return to the alliance - this would mean the alliance will get new and better assets for the elves than the horde or they will share the current assets or the horde elven assets will transfer to the alliance - and in every situation the elves would be written better on the alliance.

this doesn't mean the horde will be worse or lesser, just that the elves will be greater and much better on the alliance, the other horde races would be added assets to make up for the loss or diminishing of the elves.

The horde will appreciate this, they would recognise the improvement of horde races making up for the diminishing of horde elves and be thankful for it. the alliance would be happy to get their elves larger and more glorified on the faction that loves them and desires them the most.

Win win. except for a few hardcore horde fans annoyed because they'd no longer have bragging rights and watch the alliance get better elf stuff.. that's it.. but they'd still have access to blood elves and Nightborne, so they can either live with it, or transfer alliance if they want to salivate over the fancy stuff.

[Tanaria]

These new hordies just dont get it.

Restore the fullness of the high elves and night elves to the alliance and all this disappears.

They never stoo to think why this only exists over the blood elves and Nightborne and not the actual horde races like orcs, trolls, tauren, goblin even forsaken.

This is what happens when you take the best alliance stuff and give it to the horde you cant honestly expect the biggest fans of this stuff, the alliance to be content and happy on what is clearly shitting on them to beef up the faction set up to be their enemies.

It will continue as long as blizzard keeps funnelling the best of the alliance to the horde in the elves. Race that doesnt belong there and that the horde no longer needs to have glorified for faction numbers.


Elves on the horde isnt needed, and certainly having the best of these alliance races on the horde is just creating more problems than it is solving.

It's time blizzard start focusing on the alliance elves and end their promotions on the horde for these alliance races

= balance restored horde can be fully horde, alliance fully alliance

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Must have been a different Ravenmoon back then, too swept up and immersed into the foolish arguments of the day and the bad psychology - anyone can be forgiven for being blind once they see the truth.

Sometimes it just takes stepping back or zooming out..you should try it, sometimes wanting something too badly or clinging to it will warp your perspective and prevent you from seeing clearly.

It's easy to admit you are wrong when you realise the truth about something and realise what the real problem is and what the better solution is. Whiles some good could come out of an exchange, the premise was false, and rubbish to start with, secondly, when you caring so deeply ceases to causes you to fixate on one thing alone, it's easier to see what you couldnt see and easier to grasp the wider picture.

Horde never needed any exchange, and shouldnt have gotten one, Nightborne going horde was perpetuating an error on the momentum or trend of "horde must get better " that the devs had been far too use to.

When they design elves and do an amazing job, they have to realise it is okay for the alliance now to have alliance things that are better than that on the horde but perhaps they need to see their game collapse under the imbalance their unnecessary bias is producing for them to realise "oh shit" the alliance really needs to look better and attract its players again.

They will see as I have seen, that the horde has long since not needed the loan of the Thalassian kingdom and didn't need the kaldorei civilization either. The natural conclusion to fixing this would be return them to their original owners and let the elves on the horde fade into the background, with a token vestige remaining to allow hordies access to pretty models for those who need them, but not needing anything more than that. Certainly not needing elven Thalassian and kaldorei assets shining on the horde who also has all the best of its races when the heart of those elven races still neats strongly and proudly on the alliance where they have always been, always desired and at home.

They will soon see that the horde has been give the best of the
Orcs
Trolls
Tauren
Goblins
Forsaken

In addition to the best of the
Elves
High elves and the Night elves
A d while Pandaren seem equal, they lore wise skewed to the horde.

Leaving the alliance with only more of
Dwarves
Gnomes
Draenei
and most of the humans

Sooner or later blizzard will think to themselves.. wait a minute.. why have we given the horde all their race, then added the best of 2 of the most favoured alliance races, and skewed the pandaren too - off course d'uh the horde will greatly out number the alliance, we've given them the best of literally most of the warcraft playable races.

The logical thing to do would be to restore to the alliance the heart of the elves. They won't remove the blood elves and Nightborne as playable, but the best of the high elves and night elves they placed on the horde will return to the alliance - this would mean the alliance will get new and better assets for the elves than the horde or they will share the current assets or the horde elven assets will transfer to the alliance - and in every situation the elves would be written better on the alliance.

this doesn't mean the horde will be worse or lesser, just that the elves will be greater and much better on the alliance, the other horde races would be added assets to make up for the loss or diminishing of the elves.

The horde will appreciate this, they would recognise the improvement of horde races making up for the diminishing of horde elves and be thankful for it. the alliance would be happy to get their elves larger and more glorified on the faction that loves them and desires them the most.

Win win. except for a few hardcore horde fans annoyed because they'd no longer have bragging rights and watch the alliance get better elf stuff.. that's it.. but they'd still have access to blood elves and Nightborne, so they can either live with it, or transfer alliance if they want to salivate over the fancy stuff.

You don't dictate what happens to the Elves.

W3 was the start of the Blood Elves leaving their Alliance with the Humans. In fact, Blood Elves were hardly Alliance before the Third War. They joined the Alliance of Lordaeron loosely for the Second War and that was it.

Nightborne were never Alliance anyway.

Maybe - take Elves away from the alliance completely. Alliance has Humans, it won't die anyway.

Ravenmoon - what makes me so happy, is that everything you have been predicting since 2018 has never happened. So it's a win for Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei. For the Horde!

[ravenmoon]

You don't dictate what happens to the Elves.

You don't seem to realise that you don't. And it's not a matter of dictating what happens. The situation as it is quite clear for anyone who has eyes to see.

But I don't expect one of the biggest and most vocal horde elf fans to admit what's right in front of them, yes, i know you will start your extensive forum campaign to inflect and alter perspective and interpretation blah blah, in an attempt to ensure if blizzard ever comes across other forum users saying this you have sufficient interpretation to saw their minds.

Whatever, you're wasting your time, this is the state of the game currently, and they will see it sooner or later if they haven't already, and they will change it. I hope you are prepared for whatever iti s that happens.. I'll be long gone by then, it won't matter to me.

[Tanaria]

You don't seem to realise that you don't. And it's not a matter of dictating what happens. The situation as it is quite clear for anyone who has eyes to see.

But I don't expect one of the biggest and most vocal horde elf fans to admit what's right in front of them, yes, i know you will start your extensive forum campaign to inflect and alter perspective and interpretation blah blah, in an attempt to ensure if blizzard ever comes across other forum users saying this you have sufficient interpretation to saw their minds.

Whatever, you're wasting your time, this is the state of the game currently, and they will see it sooner or later if they haven't already, and they will change it. I hope you are prepared for whatever iti s that happens.. I'll be long gone by then, it won't matter to me.

Neither do you. You don't dictate either.

And they won't force us onto the Alliance to see the best parts, because the lore isn't set up for your little headcanon games.
Horde Elf fans have followed the lore quite closely and we know the reasons why we aren't Alliance.

The main reason:
The Night Elves. The Humans. The High Elves.

And I'm glad you'll go. Everytime you post, I get inspired to level another one of my Horde Elves. Blood Elf Demon Hunter is current, then followed by Nightborne Rogue. It's great having a Blood Elf Mage main as well.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

While they can't go back, horde elves playable are here to stay, they don't need to be a big thing on the horde, nor should they be

Love it when alliance players decide what races fit or not the Horde. Mind you, even within the horde playerbase there are disagreements and that's fine, but the whole presumption that a race "belongs" to either faction because aesthetics rather than, you know, political affiliation, is so braindead.

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You don't seem to realise that you don't. And it's not a matter of dictating what happens. The situation as it is quite clear for anyone who has eyes to see.

But I don't expect one of the biggest and most vocal horde elf fans to admit what's right in front of them, yes, i know you will start your extensive forum campaign to inflect and alter perspective and interpretation blah blah, in an attempt to ensure if blizzard ever comes across other forum users saying this you have sufficient interpretation to saw their minds.

Whatever, you're wasting your time, this is the state of the game currently, and they will see it sooner or later if they haven't already, and they will change it. I hope you are prepared for whatever iti s that happens.. I'll be long gone by then, it won't matter to me.

I mean let's not pretend you have an unbiased opinion on here at all; pretty much all your opinions, and speculations, are based on what you personally want, so whatever you think "might happen" is under layers and layers of -maybe even unexplored- bias. So even if you really believe what you preach, everything should be taken with a grain of salt because you have no neutrality about the issue whatsoever.

[Tanaria]

Love it when alliance players decide what races fit or not the Horde. Mind you, even within the horde playerbase there are disagreements and that's fine, but the whole presumption that a race "belongs" to either faction because aesthetics rather than, you know, political affiliation, is so braindead.

Horde bashing has become a new trend on the WoW-related forums of recent.
Anything bad that happens on the Alliance, like "Humans and Friends" is the Horde playerbase's fault.

[Ardenaso]

Horde has two playable races that were originally part of the Alliance in addition to that they even got a form of Night Elf in Legion, and now you're telling us they should have a fourth alliance race? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Also, your Avatar and signature is fucking stupid.

hey man could we be a bit more civil?

the Nightborne isn't anything like the Night Elves and the Forsaken isn't anything like living Humans while now the Alliance High Elves in form of fair skinned Void Elves with a 95% similarity

and before you say anything about Lightbound Orcs, I will edit it out since - the Alliance has gotten the Horde's most popular race with too many similarities anyway

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

They never stoo to think why this only exists over the blood elves and Nightborne and not the actual horde races like orcs, trolls, tauren, goblin even forsaken.

The level of delusion dear lord, like I know you are talking with someone that believes that just because Blood Elves can have blue eyes they are now High Elves -and there's a lot to say about THAT lack of reading comprehension- but the asinine notion that nations aren't of the faction they joined... what the hell is even that?

Like it really seems like your only measure for what is a "real" horde race is aesthetics, and that is just frankly dumb.

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Horde bashing has become a new trend on the WoW-related forums of recent.
Anything bad that happens on the Alliance, like "Humans and Friends" is the Horde playerbase's fault.

I think you are generalizing a bit; I would advice you to take notices to whom you interact with, because if you want constant Horde bashing and elf empire supremacy takes, Ravenmoon is what you need. Or better said, need to steer away from.

Like I am alliance leaning, but HS some people are steeped in so much bias they make no sense.

[Rhlor]

These new hordies just dont get it.

Restore the fullness of the high elves and night elves to the alliance and all this disappears.

They never stoo to think why this only exists over the blood elves and Nightborne and not the actual horde races like orcs, trolls, tauren, goblin even forsaken.

This is what happens when you take the best alliance stuff and give it to the horde you cant honestly expect the biggest fans of this stuff, the alliance to be content and happy on what is clearly shitting on them to beef up the faction set up to be their enemies.

It will continue as long as blizzard keeps funnelling the best of the alliance to the horde in the elves. Race that doesnt belong there and that the horde no longer needs to have glorified for faction numbers.


Elves on the horde isnt needed, and certainly having the best of these alliance races on the horde is just creating more problems than it is solving.

It's time blizzard start focusing on the alliance elves and end their promotions on the horde for these alliance races

= balance restored horde can be fully horde, alliance fully alliance

- - - Updated - - -


Must have been a different Ravenmoon back then, too swept up and immersed into the foolish arguments of the day and the bad psychology - anyone can be forgiven for being blind once they see the truth.

Sometimes it just takes stepping back or zooming out..you should try it, sometimes wanting something too badly or clinging to it will warp your perspective and prevent you from seeing clearly.

It's easy to admit you are wrong when you realise the truth about something and realise what the real problem is and what the better solution is. Whiles some good could come out of an exchange, the premise was false, and rubbish to start with, secondly, when you caring so deeply ceases to causes you to fixate on one thing alone, it's easier to see what you couldnt see and easier to grasp the wider picture.

Horde never needed any exchange, and shouldnt have gotten one, Nightborne going horde was perpetuating an error on the momentum or trend of "horde must get better " that the devs had been far too use to.

When they design elves and do an amazing job, they have to realise it is okay for the alliance now to have alliance things that are better than that on the horde but perhaps they need to see their game collapse under the imbalance their unnecessary bias is producing for them to realise "oh shit" the alliance really needs to look better and attract its players again.

They will see as I have seen, that the horde has long since not needed the loan of the Thalassian kingdom and didn't need the kaldorei civilization either. The natural conclusion to fixing this would be return them to their original owners and let the elves on the horde fade into the background, with a token vestige remaining to allow hordies access to pretty models for those who need them, but not needing anything more than that. Certainly not needing elven Thalassian and kaldorei assets shining on the horde who also has all the best of its races when the heart of those elven races still neats strongly and proudly on the alliance where they have always been, always desired and at home.

They will soon see that the horde has been give the best of the
Orcs
Trolls
Tauren
Goblins
Forsaken

In addition to the best of the
Elves
High elves and the Night elves
A d while Pandaren seem equal, they lore wise skewed to the horde.

Leaving the alliance with only more of
Dwarves
Gnomes
Draenei
and most of the humans

Sooner or later blizzard will think to themselves.. wait a minute.. why have we given the horde all their race, then added the best of 2 of the most favoured alliance races, and skewed the pandaren too - off course d'uh the horde will greatly out number the alliance, we've given them the best of literally most of the warcraft playable races.

The logical thing to do would be to restore to the alliance the heart of the elves. They won't remove the blood elves and Nightborne as playable, but the best of the high elves and night elves they placed on the horde will return to the alliance - this would mean the alliance will get new and better assets for the elves than the horde or they will share the current assets or the horde elven assets will transfer to the alliance - and in every situation the elves would be written better on the alliance.

this doesn't mean the horde will be worse or lesser, just that the elves will be greater and much better on the alliance, the other horde races would be added assets to make up for the loss or diminishing of the elves.

The horde will appreciate this, they would recognise the improvement of horde races making up for the diminishing of horde elves and be thankful for it. the alliance would be happy to get their elves larger and more glorified on the faction that loves them and desires them the most.

Win win. except for a few hardcore horde fans annoyed because they'd no longer have bragging rights and watch the alliance get better elf stuff.. that's it.. but they'd still have access to blood elves and Nightborne, so they can either live with it, or transfer alliance if they want to salivate over the fancy stuff.

So you say that at that time the exchange seemed fair to you but now that you got what you wanted you also want to take away from the horde what seemed fair to you that the horde had in exchange for having what you now have, basically that is called being greedy.
your whole argument is a fallacy.
You say you want to ruin the elf content of the horde to increase the numbers of the alliance, but in general the numbers of players of the horde and the alliance are even. the disparity is found in mythics and competitive players prefer racials to aesthetics, if you want the numbers of players in the alliance to increase in endgame you have to give the alliance racials that are better than those of the horde.

Most horde players play with elves it is obvious that your approach is an attack on most of those who play horde and in your writing it shows that you are angry with the horde players for having what you want have in the alliance.

i read some alliance players raise share silvermoon i saw some alliance players say the blood elves should be kicked out to suramar or elderthalas or some highborne ruin of kalimdor but this is the first time i see someone propose to take everything away from the shaldorei and sindorei and not give them anything in return. literally what you propose is a direct attack on the players without any compensation

because proposing to give the pandarean a city is ridiculous when there are even fewer pandarean players in the horde than in the alliance. it is a mockery and an insult to the players of the horde.

I thought your arguments and proposals were better than this when we debated in the past

incidentally alliance players for years wish to expel the forsaken from lordaeron.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Horde has two playable races that were originally part of the Alliance in addition to that they even got a form of Night Elf in Legion, and now you're telling us they should have a fourth alliance race? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Also, your Avatar and signature is fucking stupid.

And what are you, a child? Have some self respect.

[ravenmoon]

Neither do you. You don't dictate either.

And they won't force us onto the Alliance to see the best parts, because the lore isn't set up for your little headcanon games.
Horde Elf fans have followed the lore quite closely and we know the reasons why we aren't Alliance.

The main reason:
The Night Elves. The Humans. The High Elves.

And I'm glad you'll go. Everytime you post, I get inspired to level another one of my Horde Elves. Blood Elf Demon Hunter is current, then followed by Nightborne Rogue. It's great having a Blood Elf Mage main as well.

I wonder how much it means to you. You'd probably bend over and adapt, and main alliance when that happens.

You love the elves, and right now they're brighter on the horde, so you have attached yourself there. Yet you are refusing to see this is neither right for the game, nor does it fit.

Forcing the horde to change and alter it so much just to make the elves stay glorious on the horde for bragging rights and feel good factor of horde elf fans is the wrong motive and just bad for the game as it has been for a long time.

The solution is simple, the elves must return to being primarily an alliance race and best on the alliance, on the horde, they should be small and insignificant, only there to allow access for a pretty model - something i recognise needs to stay. But nothing else needs to.. horde don't need glorious Thalassians and the grandeur of the kaldorei civilization on it -these are alliance assets.. horde needs great assets for orcs and trolls and goblins etc, horde races, ..it doesn't need anything more than access to high elf models - not glorification.

So yeh, high elves are best on the alliance, and Silvermoon/Quel'thalas should return to them and be their home. So should Suramar, the origin city of the Darnassians and the HQ of the order of Elune, a symbol of the harmony and balance of the arcane and nature, priesthood, mages and nature users.. it's kaldorei, the last remaining pristine city of the kaldorei civilization - why is it on the horde?

Horde can have Nightborne models, they don't need Suramar and most of the cities populace aligned with them or even in Nightborne form, none of that is necessary for playable Nightborne.

This feeding the horde the best of the alliance elves, is just bias, and bad for the game, has imbalanced the factions, distorted the horde, deprived and angered the alliance fans, and is the reason why threads like this continue to live so strongly.

[Tanaria]

I wonder how much it means to you. You'd probably bend over and adapt, and main alliance when that happens.

You love the elves, and right now they're brighter on the horde, so you have attached yourself there. Yet you are refusing to see this is neither right for the game, nor does it fit.

Forcing the horde to change and alter it so much just to make the elves stay glorious on the horde for bragging rights and feel good factor of horde elf fans is the wrong motive and just bad for the game as it has been for a long time.

The solution is simple, the elves must return to being primarily an alliance race and best on the alliance, on the horde, they should be small and insignificant, only there to allow access for a pretty model - something i recognise needs to stay. But nothing else needs to.. horde don't need glorious Thalassians and the grandeur of the kaldorei civilization on it -these are alliance assets.. horde needs great assets for orcs and trolls and goblins etc, horde races, ..it doesn't need anything more than access to high elf models - not glorification.

So yeh, high elves are best on the alliance, and Silvermoon/Quel'thalas should return to them and be their home. So should Suramar, the origin city of the Darnassians and the HQ of the order of Elune, a symbol of the harmony and balance of the arcane and nature, priesthood, mages and nature users.. it's kaldorei, the last remaining pristine city of the kaldorei civilization - why is it on the horde?

Horde can have Nightborne models, they don't need Suramar and most of the cities populace aligned with them or even in Nightborne form, none of that is necessary for playable Nightborne.

this feeding the horde the best of the alliance elves, is just bias, and bad for the game, has imbalanced the factions, distorted the horde, deprived and angered the alliance fans, and is the reason why threads like this continue to live so strongly.

Nope, because it isn't fair.

The Horde is the home of Silvermoon and Suramar, as they were always intended to be.
Glory to the Elven Cities. For the Horde!

As MyWholeLifeIsThunder says - your really are on another planet if you ACTUALLY believe Blizzard will give in to your requests...you, little Ravenmoon...which are biased, unfair, selfish, greedy and nasty,

I play the Horde Elves because they purposely aren't Alliance. Silvermoon is a beautiful city and it belongs and stands with the Horde. Suramar, the same.
You had Darnassus, but since nelfs couldn't hold out...you lost it. Not the Horde Elf playerbases problem.

[Ardenaso]

Living in Elven cities and not being sub-servants to Humans also have their benefits. Nightborne and Blood Elves have real Elven cities. High Elves adore Stormwind because they love Humans, Night Elves love trees and Void Elves...they've got some rocks.

Now go on...run along and prepare your Human overlord family, their meal.

nobody asksed but another one of the reasons why I want Alteraci Humans for the Horde is to see the poetic irony of Alliance High/Void Elves fighting Horde living humans and who knows maybe someone would ask themselves "hey if there's living humans in the Horde why bother staying in the Alliance?"

[ravenmoon]

Nope, because it isn't fair.

The Horde is the home of Silvermoon and Suramar, as they were always intended to be.
Glory to the Elven Cities. For the Horde!

As MyWholeLifeIsThunder says - your really are on another planet if you ACTUALLY believe Blizzard will give in to your requests...you, little Ravenmoon...which are biased, unfair, selfish, greedy and nasty,

I play the Horde Elves because they purposely aren't Alliance. Silvermoon is a beautiful city and it belongs and stands with the Horde. Suramar, the same.
You had Darnassus, but since nelfs couldn't hold out...you lost it. Not the Horde Elf playerbases problem.

I don't think MywholeLifeIsThunder realises my planet is no more real than the Azeroth he talks so confidently about.

I think your horde elf bias is really blinding you from seeing the truth of what I'm saying. you are offended because you don't like it. Yet it is what is best for the horde and the game, and also for the alliance. An alliance race should never have been brought on to the horde, it has distorted it badly and hurt the alliance. It seemed justifiable at first to help boost horde numbers, but the distortion has gotten worse as the bias continues long after the need for even numbers.

But sometimes habits are hard to break, and a habit of favouring the horde is definitely been in blizzard. Sooner or later they will see this. It might seem unfair and nasty but it isn't. Blizzard know that the elves returning to being strong and vibrant on the alliance can help the horde a lot more.

Losing things like Silvermoon and Suramar are not losses when gains like Zul'drak and Zul'Aman, Zul'farak and Zul'gurub as well a s boosting other horde race assets can easily make up for the numerical losses. It's about keeping and restoring the core themes of both the alliance and the horde. And glorious horde elves does not do that, nor is it needed.

It's got to go, you know this is needed, you just want horde bragging rights over alliance elf fans and have enjoyed having things they find enviable, it's been a little kick to you and I suspect it's what you don't wanna lose, but it's a silly reason you want to hold on to it for, very superficial and vain. You know this is true, call me selfish, unfair, greedy, nasty - you know I'm not being any of these things. you just don't like what I'm saying because you want this stuff to remain on the horde, no other reason, not because it's true or real.

[Tanaria]

I don't think MywholeLifeIsThunder realises my planet is no more real than the Azeroth he talks so confidently about.

I think your horde elf bias is really blinding you from seeing the truth of what I'm saying. you are offended because you don't like it. yet it is what is best for the horde and the game, and also for the alliance. An alliance race should never have been brought on to the horde, it has distorted it badly and hurt the alliance. It seemed justifiable at first to help boost horde numbers, but the distortion has gotten worse as the bias continues long after the need for even numbers.

But sometimes habits are hard to break, and a habit of favouring the horde is definitely been in blizzard. Sooner or later they will see this. It might seem unfair and nasty but it isn't. Blizzard know that the elves returning to being strong and vibrant on the alliance can help the horde a lot more.

Losing things like Silvermoon and Suramar are not losses when gains like Zul'drak and Zul'Aman, Zul'farak and Zul'gurub as well a s boosting other horde race assets can easily make up for the numerical losses. It's about keeping and restoring the core themes of both the alliance and the horde. And glorious horde elves does not do that, nor is it needed.

It's got to go, you know this is needed, you just want horde bragging rights over alliance elf fans and have enjoyed having things they find enviable, it's been a little kick, but it's a silly thing you want to hold on to it for very superficial and vain reasons. You know this is true, call me selfish, unfair, greedy, nasty - you know I'm not being any of these things. you just don't like what I'm saying because you want this stuff to remain on the horde, no other reason, not because it's true or real.

Your a failure at lore. Why should anyone take you seriously.

Your a meme because the lore is explained to you, but all you care about is the elf models.
And you are greedy, nasty, selfish and unfair. You really are. These races, those cities - they belong on the Horde. That is where they are and that is where they will be staying. Blizzard will not have these cities be lost to the Alliance...especially not to weak races like nelfs and helfs. Nelfs couldn't even take Azshara and that was before Sylvanas burned the tree.

Suramar and Silvermoon are remaining on the Horde and all those Troll places...they belong to Trolls who aren't even part of the Horde. Nightborne and Blood elves, with their cities, are fully fledged Horde members and the Alliance has failed in the lore, to win these cities and their populations, round.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I don't think MywholeLifeIsThunder realises my planet is no more real than the Azeroth he talks so confidently about.

I think your horde elf bias is really blinding you from seeing the truth of what I'm saying. you are offended because you don't like it. yet it is what is best for the horde and the game, and also for the alliance. An alliance race should never have been brought on to the horde, it has distorted it badly and hurt the alliance. It seemed justifiable at first to help boost horde numbers, but the distortion has gotten worse as the bias continues long after the need for even numbers.

But sometimes habits are hard to break, and a habit of favouring the horde is definitely been in blizzard. Sooner or later they will see this. It might seem unfair and nasty but it isn't. Blizzard know that the elves returning to being strong and vibrant on the alliance can help the horde a lot more.

Losing things like Silvermoon and Suramar are not losses when gains like Zul'drak and Zul'Aman, Zul'farak and Zul'gurub as well a s boosting other horde race assets can easily make up for the numerical losses. It's about keeping and restoring the core themes of both the alliance and the horde. And glorious horde elves does not do that, nor is it needed.

It's got to go, you know this is needed, you just want horde bragging rights over alliance elf fans and have enjoyed having things they find enviable, it's been a little kick, but it's a silly thing you want to hold on to it for very superficial and vain reasons. You know this is true, call me selfish, unfair, greedy, nasty - you know I'm not being any of these things. you just don't like what I'm saying because you want this stuff to remain on the horde, no other reason, not because it's true or real.

Honestly just way more delusion than it's worth engaging with. It really sounds what you need is to play a game with an actual elven empire, because you seem to care very little for the actual lore of Warcraft and only care for elven lore as a whole to go to the Alliance, because of a totally biased and frankly, superficial, interpretation of what alliance and horde themes are, based on aesthetics of all things.

Honestly? you have the most shallow view on elves I have seen here, or everywhere.

[Tanaria]

Honestly just way more delusion than it's worth engaging with. It really sounds what you need is to play a game with an actual elven empire, because you seem to care very little for the actual lore of Warcraft and only care for elven lore as a whole to go to the Alliance, because of a totally biased and frankly, superficial, interpretation of what alliance and horde themes are, based on aesthetics of all things.

Honestly? you have the most shallow view on elves I have seen here, or everywhere.

He needs to play LOTRO, where we he can play as Elves and High Elves, on the same faction as Humans.