Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Traveler Voltin]

i have never seen someone so delusional. there are so many ways to build up Night elves and High/void elves without taking things from the horde.
I think ravenmoon needs a break from here.

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So you agree that your previous statement was false by saying High elves left the Alliance. They never did. Only Silvermoon left. But High elves in Outland/Dalaran/Stormwind/Theramore but also some in various lodges did not.

you refuse to listen like Ravenmoon. Silvermoon and most of the high elf population left the alliance after WC2. a few "token" elves staying behind does not make it them an alliance race.

[Rhlor]

He couldn't fool me.
The only talk he gets involved with is when it concerns night elves, more so when it's about night elf mages.

you saw the post he put on ravenmoon and created a celebratory thread about the night elf and blood elf model exchange, he clearly said that he was never really interested in night elves and that he only played them because he couldn't play high elf and now that the void elves were playable in the alliance the night elves mattered little to him.

He was one of the biggest advocates of race swapping. if you offer him silvermoon without a doubt he will exchange all kalimdor

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Indeed, that should not happen. Night elves belongs to forests of Kalimdor and thalassians belongs to Quel'thalas. Blood elves fought really hard to rebuild their kingdom and they should not be deprived of it. What I'd rather see is Silvermoon moving on and be a place for all thalassians, regardless of their political affiliations.

So a racial capital should be neutral for the two factions? and calia should unite the forsaken and humans and stornwind should be a nuetral city too?

I personally don't like that kind of thing, I don't like that Dalaran is neutral, it should be an alliance city.

[Vaedan]

Purge of Dalaran pretty much said "Hell no!" to that one.
Vereesa has a lot to answer for.

Yes, Vereesa. Not all high elves are part of Silver Covenant, so Purge of Dalaran is hardly a reason why to keep all high elves from Silvermoon. I'd like to remind you that prior to the Purge, blood elves also had their deal of attacks against high elves, which they exiled... so they also have their skeletons in the closet. Both sides have enough blood on their hands already.

So a racial capital should be neutral for the two factions? and calia should unite the forsaken and humans and stornwind should be a nuetral city too?

I personally don't like that kind of thing, I don't like that Dalaran is neutral, it should be an alliance city.

Undead and humans are different races, their differences are not political, on the contrary to the elves. Calia also have absolutely no connections to Stormwind, she is former Lordaeron princess...

If I remember correctly, you are quite vocal defender of high elves in Silvermoon, so why not? Nobody loses anything. Blood elves would still run their city. They also allowed high elves pilgrimages to Sunwell in the past, which is the most important place for their culture, so in the recent climate, with Lor'themar being actually willing to work with Alliance quite easily, it is not that hard to imagine that.

From gameplay perspective, racial capitals have no purpose anymore. They are now just place for roleplay and storytelling.

[Tanaria]

Yes, Vereesa. Not all high elves are part of Silver Covenant, so Purge of Dalaran is hardly a reason why to keep all high elves from Silvermoon. I'd like to remind you that prior to the Purge, blood elves also had their deal of attacks against high elves, which they exiled... so they also have their skeletons in the closet. Both sides have enough blood on their hands already.

As Rhlor says, neutral cities don't really work out.

High Elves and Void Elves could work to expand the Allerian stronghold on Outland, with a portal connecting to Stormwind. Expand the base to Firewing Village and drive the Horde forces back to their base.
You'd still get some Blood Elf presence through the Scryers, who as far as WoD was concerned, were still working in Shattrath.

[Ardenaso]

That's why every wow expansion gave us Alliance High elves npcs. Try again

the two vendors in Shadowmoon Valley looked more like Blood Elf peacekeepers just like Valeera

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Yes, Vereesa. Not all high elves are part of Silver Covenant, so Purge of Dalaran is hardly a reason why to keep all high elves from Silvermoon. I'd like to remind you that prior to the Purge, blood elves also had their deal of attacks against high elves, which they exiled... so they also have their skeletons in the closet. Both sides have enough blood on their hands already.

I don't think it was Silvermoon proper who planted the Wretchering crystal by Quel'lithien nor do they have anything to do with Quel'danil assault

[Rhlor]

Yes, Vereesa. Not all high elves are part of Silver Covenant, so Purge of Dalaran is hardly a reason why to keep all high elves from Silvermoon. I'd like to remind you that prior to the Purge, blood elves also had their deal of attacks against high elves, which they exiled... so they also have their skeletons in the closet. Both sides have enough blood on their hands already.



Undead and humans are different races, their differences are not political, on the contrary to the elves. Calia also have absolutely no connections to Stormwind, she is former Lordaeron princess...

If I remember correctly, you are quite vocal defender of high elves in Silvermoon, so why not? Nobody loses anything. Blood elves would still run their city. They also allowed high elves pilgrimages to Sunwell in the past, which is the most important place for their culture, so in the recent climate, with Lor'themar being actually willing to work with Alliance quite easily, it is not that hard to imagine that.

From gameplay perspective, racial capitals have no purpose anymore. They are now just place for roleplay and storytelling.

I am in favor of the high elves in silvermoon but you speak of thalassian that includes void elves, and I do not want the void elves in quelthalas because they are a danger to the sunwell.

[Vaedan]

the two vendors in Shadowmoon Valley looked more like Blood Elf peacekeepers just like Valeera

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I don't think it was Silvermoon proper who planted the Wretchering crystal by Quel'lithien nor do they have anything to do with Quel'danil assault

Yet they are close allies of Forsaken, who are responsible for attacks on high elf lodges since classic and I recall some quests in WotLK where Sunreavers send you to sabotage/kill Silver Covenant (and Silver Covenant mirrored them as well).

As Rhlor says, neutral cities don't really work out.

High Elves and Void Elves could work to expand the Allerian stronghold on Outland, with a portal connecting to Stormwind. Expand the base to Firewing Village and drive the Horde forces back to their base.
You'd still get some Blood Elf presence through the Scryers, who as far as WoD was concerned, were still working in Shattrath.

They probably could, but Outland is unstable and I don't really think it is wise to make a base on world which is about to erode to Twisting Nether and we've seen many of the rediscovered Alliance Expedition chose to return back to Azeroth already. Azeroth is home of thalassians, no reason why they should be inhabiting Outland.

[Traveler Voltin]

well the sunwell is on its own island. also the void elves would have to fight the blood elves and the Draenei stationed there. since i am pretty sure after the alleria event that they are on watch for void elves trying to get to the sunwell.

[Ardenaso]

the Draenei stationed there.

I prefer if they are canonically kicked out considering they broke the neutrality and sent Tiras'alan and more Aldors to help Theramore

[Vaedan]

I am in favor of the high elves in silvermoon but you speak of thalassian that includes void elves, and I do not want the void elves in quelthalas because they are a danger to the sunwell.

We don't know how big threat they are. We've only seen what Alleria caused, and she is the most powerful and unique void elf, other void elves do not contain essence of dark naaru. We've also seen she had to touch Sunwell for the incident to occour, as long as she was Silvermoon, nothing happened. The solution is pretty clear, just don't allow void elves to enter Quel'danas.

Void elves also show no interest in damaging Sunwell. They started with void magic to protect Quel'thalas, not to conquer it or anything like that. We've also seen that Alleria still have great respect for Sunwell, so I guess as long as she is in charge, she would not allow it to be damaged either.

[Rhlor]

We don't know how big threat they are. We've only seen what Alleria caused, and she is the most powerful and unique void elf, other void elves do not contain essence of dark naaru. We've also seen she had to touch Sunwell for the incident to occour, as long as she was Silvermoon, nothing happened. The solution is pretty clear, just don't allow void elves to enter Quel'danas.

Void elves also show no interest in damaging Sunwell. They started with void magic to protect Quel'thalas, not to conquer it or anything like that. We've also seen that Alleria still have great respect for Sunwell, so I guess as long as she is in charge, she would not allow it to be damaged either.

We saw void elves among the forces of nzoth. Do you really think that void elves who serve the void lords won't try to cause trouble if they can go to quelthalas?

[Vaedan]

I prefer if they are canonically kicked out considering they broke the neutrality and sent Tiras'alan and more Aldors to help Theramore

In Quel'delar scenario, there were no draenei or shattari, so I would say Sunwell plateau was given to blood elves. It is, after all, their holy site. Draenei showed no real interest in Sunwell so far.

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We saw void elves among the forces of nzoth. Do you really think that void elves who serve the void lords won't try to cause trouble if they can go to quelthalas?

Did we? I don't really remember that. If you mean Horrific visions, those were not real. They represented how N'zoth IMAGINED future if he wins. That only means he probably wanted destroy Alliance through void elves and Horde through orcs, but none of it had any impact on our reality. Also, void elves don't serve void lords. They serve Alleria. Void elves are defined by their ability to not fall into the madness, it is their defining point. To be honest, we've seen far more blood elves in service of void lords/old gods then void elves... just look how many blood elves were members of Twilight Hammer.

[Tanaria]

We don't know how big threat they are. We've only seen what Alleria caused, and she is the most powerful and unique void elf, other void elves do not contain essence of dark naaru. We've also seen she had to touch Sunwell for the incident to occour, as long as she was Silvermoon, nothing happened. The solution is pretty clear, just don't allow void elves to enter Quel'danas.

Void elves also show no interest in damaging Sunwell. They started with void magic to protect Quel'thalas, not to conquer it or anything like that. We've also seen that Alleria still have great respect for Sunwell, so I guess as long as she is in charge, she would not allow it to be damaged either.

But let's be honest here.
Blizzard are not likely to do this. Neutral playable areas were not a big hit after the Pandaren fiasco and Blizzard have remained, to this day, very forthcoming about how much they didn't like that and how they are not looking at repeating again, any time soon.

Silvermoon is also a Horde Capital. High Elf refugees and Void Elves are not Horde.

[Imperator4321]

In Quel'delar scenario, there were no draenei or shattari, so I would say Sunwell plateau was given to blood elves. It is, after all, their holy site. Draenei showed no real interest in Sunwell so far.

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Did we? I don't really remember that. If you mean Horrific visions, those were not real. They represented how N'zoth IMAGINED future if he wins. That only means he probably wanted destroy Alliance through void elves and Horde through orcs, but none of it had any impact on our reality. Also, void elves don't serve void lords. They serve Alleria. Void elves are defined by their ability to not fall into the madness, it is their defining point. To be honest, we've seen far more blood elves in service of void lords/old gods then void elves... just look how many blood elves were members of Twilight Hammer.

To be honest Alleria and a lot of Void Elf NPC's come across as pretty suspect in general, i recall 2 members of the Void Elf Expidition team talk about feeding souls to the void and listening to the whispers, and a few other Void Elf npcs say similar things to horde players. Alleria's apparent desire to take Quel'thalas for the Alliance is also put in a darker light with how the Void wanted corrupt the Sunwell.

Not saying i want them to pull a corruption/madness thing with Alleria, but they seem to be implying such a direction with various comments and interactions by void elf npc's, especially since the Void Lords seem like a looming threat now that the Old Gods are dealt with.

[Vaedan]

But let's be honest here.
Blizzard are not likely to do this. Neutral playable areas were not a big hit after the Pandaren fiasco and Blizzard have remained, to this day, very forthcoming about how much they didn't like that and how they are not looking at repeating again, any time soon.

Silvermoon is also a Horde Capital. High Elf refugees and Void Elves are not Horde.

Dalaran in Legion was neutral, Oribos is neutral... Blizzard is not avoiding neutral areas. It just seems they tend to rotate neutral and faction based capitals each expansion.

Yes, I admit it is more possible it won't happen. I hope Alliance will at least get proper city for night elves and void elves, which would help a lot. Another thing is that racial capitals other than Stormwind and Orgrimmar just serve no purpose. I'd like Blizz make them important again. After playing around Ember Court in Revendreth, I think something similar could be done with capitals too. Racial capitals could be place where you could queue in scenarios and get racial themed rewards - more transmogs, mounts, toys... perhaps even glyphs... but that is just off-topic thought on the matter of capital cities.

[Rhlor]

In Quel'delar scenario, there were no draenei or shattari, so I would say Sunwell plateau was given to blood elves. It is, after all, their holy site. Draenei showed no real interest in Sunwell so far.

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Did we? I don't really remember that. If you mean Horrific visions, those were not real. They represented how N'zoth IMAGINED future if he wins. That only means he probably wanted destroy Alliance through void elves and Horde through orcs, but none of it had any impact on our reality. Also, void elves don't serve void lords. They serve Alleria. Void elves are defined by their ability to not fall into the madness, it is their defining point. To be honest, we've seen far more blood elves in service of void lords/old gods then void elves... just look how many blood elves were members of Twilight Hammer.

Sleepless Voidseeker are a faction of void elves that serve nozth
Quotes
All... the dragonflights... will follow...
Come to the darkness.
I seek... the endless dark...
The son will follow the path of the father!
There is... no way... but N'Zoth...
You cannot outlast his will!
You will know the glory of N'Zoth!
Your fate... is already known...
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sleepless_Voidseeker
the void elves on the island expeditions seem crazy and they serve the void

[Imperator4321]

Sleepless Voidseeker are a faction of void elves that serve nozth
Quotes
All... the dragonflights... will follow...
Come to the darkness.
I seek... the endless dark...
The son will follow the path of the father!
There is... no way... but N'Zoth...
You cannot outlast his will!
You will know the glory of N'Zoth!
Your fate... is already known...
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sleepless_Voidseeker
the void elves on the island expeditions seem crazy and they serve the void

Well Riftblade Kelain is just kind of smug but Shadeweaver Zarra and Duskrunner Lorinas (especially Zarra) talk about embracing the void, feeding souls to the void and listening to the whispers.

We kind of see everyone among the Black Empire (and the twilight hammer before them) forces so i wouldn't take it as a absolute condemnation of the Void Elves as just being Void servants is disguise

[Vaedan]

Sleepless Voidseeker are a faction of void elves that serve nozth
Quotes
All... the dragonflights... will follow...
Come to the darkness.
I seek... the endless dark...
The son will follow the path of the father!
There is... no way... but N'Zoth...
You cannot outlast his will!
You will know the glory of N'Zoth!
Your fate... is already known...
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sleepless_Voidseeker
the void elves on the island expeditions seem crazy and they serve the void

Well... even these are the only one seen so far and you can see that these are not aligned with the Alliance, yet there are far more blood elves in the service of Old Gods. Also they are not a faction by any means, they are just un-named NPCs without any clear heirarchy or leadership, nor distinctive members.

Island Expedition teams were made to embody the worst prejudices on these races. For example, troll team which Alliance meets talks about eating you after they kill you, but it is very well established Horde trolls are not cannibals anymore, so I'm not really sure how canon these teams actually are.

Well Riftblade Kelain is just kind of smug but Shadeweaver Zarra and Duskrunner Lorinas (especially Zarra) talk about embracing the void, feeding souls to the void and listening to the whispers.

We kind of see everyone among the Black Empire (and the twilight hammer before them) forces so i wouldn't take it as a absolute condemnation of the Void Elves as just being Void servants is disguise

As I've written above, I'm not really sure how canon these teams are. I always took them that they are the embodiment of the worst prejudices your faction have for the race that team represents - cannibal trolls, brain-dead undead, dumb-ass bloodthirsty orcs, self-centered blood elves, etc. I admit, I did only few expeditions on my Horde characters when I grinded Honorbound reputation, since I hated them and I did them only on my main, which is Alliance.

[Varodoc]

Those foolish elves from the Island Expedition team are just children playing with fire. Only those with strong resolve and willpower can dominate the Void. I'm not surprised that some found it too hard and eventually succumbed. This is true for the Void elves and for every other race.

[Vaedan]

Those foolish elves from the Island Expedition team are just children playing with fire. Only those with strong resolve and willpower can dominate the Void. I'm not surprised that some found it too hard and eventually succumbed. This is true for the Void elves and for every other race.

Well... we've already seen all races in service of the Void - humans, night elves, tauren, orcs, undead, murlocs, ogres,... so void elves are no exception. They have one big advantage over other races - they are trained how to resist whispers, so they have better chances to not fall to the madness then other races who meddle with the Void.

There is also another big difference - void elves do not worship Void or any entity connected to that. They use it as a tool, they earned these powers themselves, they were not "gifted" them by some another being, which they are then obliged to serve. Other void users got their powers from the Old Gods, whom they are obliged to serve.