Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

Because this thread is about theorycrafting related to all High elf things.

An hypothetical Thalassian Civil War is related to the High elves.

So, if people want to speculate about a Thalassian civil war, let them, instead of trying to be snarky and shutting off any attempt at theorycrafting. Mods already warned users about this, but evidently people don't want to listen:


If we want to have fun speculating about the Alliance invading Silvermoon, then let us. Posts like this are toxic and unnecessary:

Ok then...so in the Blood Elf thread, we have all the rights to theorycraft about blood elves taking over bloodmyst and azuremyst isle and removing the alliance. Draenei move to Stormwind.

I actually don't mind an Eversong/Ghostlands tbh as long as they make it a guaranteed lorewise Horde victory since the two BFA Warfronts were Alliance victories

Personally, I don't want to see the light nor day of Warfronts ever again and if we do, then they should be Horde victories, since the Alliance won Arathi and Darkshore.

[Varodoc]

Ok then...so in the Blood Elf thread, we have all the rights to theorycraft about blood elves taking over bloodmyst and azuremyst isle and removing the alliance. Draenei move to Stormwind.

Yes. But you will notice that this is not the Blood Elf thread. Which I already pointed out, and you even replied to my post where I asked you guys to move onto another thread.

[Tanaria]

Yes. But you will notice that this is not the Blood Elf thread. Which I already pointed out, and you even replied to my post where I asked you guys to move onto another thread.

Well ask the guys who want to talk about both Blood Elves and Nightborne simply going Alliance, to move out.

This isn't "Let Alliance fans stroke their egos by crapping on the Horde and mocking Horde fans." If this is about "High Elves", then surely talk of Alliance robbing and stealing from the Horde isn't on the agenda.

[Varodoc]

Well ask the guys who want to talk about both Blood Elves and Nightborne simply going Alliance, to move out.

This isn't "Let Alliance fans stroke their egos by crapping on the Horde and mocking Horde fans." If this is about "High Elves", then surely talk of Alliance robbing and stealing from the Horde isn't on the agenda.

I already did LOL, but you people don't want to listen so...

Are you people done talking about the Night elves...

-In the High Elf megathread- ?

This thread is about High elf theorycrafting. You are being toxic and shutting off that theorycrafting with this kind of post:

Show me the evidence that makes it look like it will be contested? I'm not interested in your feelings, I want hardcore, solid evidence from the lore.

It's simple.

[Tanaria]

I already did LOL, but you people don't want to listen so...

You mean "They" didn't want to listen?

Well, they seemingly have now and it wasn't just this thread where it happened, every single elf-related thread had that ridiculous talk.

And going back to "taking over Silvermoon." Well...I'd accept that loss, provided Suramar gets to stay on the Horde.

[Alanar]

Silvermoon won't be Alliance but likely be contested. It's time for all the Thalassians to go home.

Who says its likely? More headcanon? -.-

[Varodoc]

No wonder the Night elf and Blood elf megathreads are so dead, you people talk about these people everywhere but in those threads...

[Ardenaso]

Ok then...so in the Blood Elf thread, we have all the rights to theorycraft about blood elves taking over bloodmyst and azuremyst isle and removing the alliance. Draenei move to Stormwind.

also Quel'lithien Lodge, and that Thalassian Harbor thingy Northeast of Hearthglen and Northwest of Stratholme

[Alanar]

Because this thread is about theorycrafting related to all High elf things.

An hypothetical Thalassian Civil War is related to the High elves.

So, if people want to speculate about a Thalassian civil war, let them, instead of trying to be snarky and shutting off any attempt at theorycrafting. Mods already warned users about this, but evidently people don't want to listen:


If we want to have fun speculating about the Alliance invading Silvermoon, then let us. Posts like this are toxic and unnecessary:

You dont get it, people claim these things are happening (insert old lore argument) and use it as a claim to one of the cities. Next to that that has nothing to do with the original purpose of the thread.

Talking about and letting lose your fantasies on the topic you are free to do so, but when some one questions you or other you always response in a aggressive/mocking/elite way. You are not always right, but saying its just a theory while fiercly defending the whole thing without question isnt exactly "just a theory" and you are also not exactly fun to be around with Varadoc.. so ye there is that as well.

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No wonder the Night elf and Blood elf megathreads are so dead, you people talk about these people everywhere but in those threads...

They get in every elf thread, people leave cus of essays of headcanon and people who dont listen. New to you?

[elbleuet]

Ok then...so in the Blood Elf thread, we have all the rights to theorycraft about blood elves taking over bloodmyst and azuremyst isle and removing the alliance. Draenei move to Stormwind.

Ugh.. Yeah of course you can do so. Who cares ?

As for the evidences, I've actually listed all of them in a previous post.

Alleria, Umbric and Vereesa wanting to bring Silvermoon into the Alliance. Shaw wondering if there're still Alliance suporters in Silvermoon and if Alleria's statement about Silvermoon was from her deepest dreams, or if she really saw the truth. The Sunwell threatened by the void... Void whispering into Alleria's ears to convince her she's the true Queen of Silvermoon.
Turalyon telling the players he WANTS to reclaim former Alliance holdings (Hello Silvermoon !).

Blizzard usually doesn't mention something for nothing. They always have something in mind.

IF Silvermoon's story is really OVER, then Blizzard wouldn't have cared to write all these things just for fun.

If you don't trust these hints, then you're pretty delusional.

I'm not saying Silvermoon will be Alliance. But at least Silvermoon will be contested by both factions. That's for sure.

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Who says its likely? More headcanon? -.-

You're afraid of what, exactly ? That something terrible will happen in your beloved capital ?
Why didn't you ban me already after all ?
If these predictions are not going to happen that's pretty simple. Just ignore them

[Tanaria]

Ugh.. Yeah of course you can do so. Who cares ?

As for the evidences, I've actually listed all of them in a previous post.

Alleria, Umbric and Vereesa wanting to bring Silvermoon into the Alliance. Shaw wondering if there're still Alliance suporters in Silvermoon and if Alleria's statement about Silvermoon was from her deepest dreams, or if she really saw the truth. The Sunwell threatened by the void... Void whispering into Alleria's ears to convince her she's the true Queen of Silvermoon.
Turalyon telling the players he WANTS to reclaim former Alliance holdings (Hello Silvermoon !).

Blizzard usually doesn't mention something for nothing. They always have something in mind.

IF Silvermoon's story is really OVER, then Blizzard wouldn't have cared to write all these things just for fun.

If you don't trust these hints, then you're pretty delusional.

I'm not saying Silvermoon will be Alliance. But at least Silvermoon will be contested by both factions. That's for sure.

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You're afraid of what, exactly ? That something terrible will happen in your beloved capital ?
Why didn't you ban me already after all ?
If these predictions are not going to happen that's pretty simple. Just ignore them

So the words of two trumped up rangers override the very words of the Lord Regent? I don't think so.

Vereesa and Alleria can stay in Stormwind with their Human Male fetishes.

[Traveler Voltin]

you know an invasion of Silvermoon would be a good way to slaughter the remaining high elves.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

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All this verbosity and you can't even address the fact that Blood Elves have been part of the Horde for 14 years, against the 2 they were not on it in WoW.

Your premise is based on a flawed and inaccurate perception of faction identity, you saw the problem of Blizzard trying to force dichotomous aesthetic identity between factions -which was dumb on the first place- and decided that the solution is to double down on that nonsense, and determine what aesthetics and themes "belong" to which faction.

Again, your premise is based around the idea that blood elves and nightborne identity -elven themes- are alliance themes. That's just not accurate to put it mildly. Your whole argument starts with a supposition, one that you are doing zero work to even build and just pretend everyone follow along because you think it's true.

With little evidence, go on claiming that the alliance is more excited about Night Elves and high elves rather than any other races, and at this point is just clear you just want more elven thematic predominance on the Alliance.

This is all about what you want and you keep wasting everyone's time by making these long ass responses -you wanna tire people out? Because you are not doing it for clarity's sake, circling around the same poor arguments over and over- Cause again, it seems that you can't accept that "elven" themes don't belong to either faction, and instead -without making a compelling argument- claim they belong to the alliance.

All of that, because for all you dislike that there are so many elven themes on the Horde, you agree with Blizzard's nonsense of enforcing aesthetic differences between factions over the very lore they have written.

And to top it all, fail to see any nuance to what "elven" themes even are, when it's pretty clear alliance elves and horde elves have distinct identities.

Just say you are salty because the Horde has the fanciest elves and the Alliance doesn't and go.

And you know, what irks me the most about your endless argumentation is that's just a selfish and shallow want that you keep trying to "justify", when it would be far more sympathetic if you were honest about it and asked for fancier elves on the alliance -such a Highborne- instead of being an ass and trying to tell people elven identities don't belong on the Horde -you know, where they have been for the last decade and a half?-

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I don't think the dichotomy is truly gone though, the thing of it is Blood Elves on the Horde and Worgen on the Alliance were always introduced to be something of an *exception* to the faction thematic they're put in, even back then the dev team explicitly described both of them as such and that was the entire point of their intent behind adding them. To some extent I would find that goes to the Void Elves and Nightborne as well, with the former's Shadow focus and the latter's continuation of that fancy theme.

But yes, ultimately I'm not for taking something away from the Horde to fulfill the Alliance having some monopoly on being the prettier faction, I would rather just see those prettier themes strengthened more with better character models and customization or more gorgeous cities to explore through. (Oddly I feel Dalaran fit that really well whereas Kul Tiras did not, I even felt in BfA they wanted to give the Alliance rougher humans with a grungier kingdom aesthetic whereas they wanted to give the Horde more regal and civilized trolls.)

Yet there's a serious overlap now, so BE and Worgen are not the exception anymore with more AR further blurring the perceived dichotomy. Of course there are some themes that feel wholly Horde/Alliance -mostly related to orcs and humans, and it makes sense- but there's clearly more of an spectrum of identities/themes regarding to faction rather than a dichotomous binary.

And even while I don't think that -perhaps humans and orcs- any race's themes belong to either faction, the Fancy Elf theme has always been more of a Horde thing holistically, High Elves in War2, and later Night Elves, were always framed as closer to nature, while the Horde's elves are definitely the aspects of their cultures that are more sumptuous and elegant.

@ravenmoon keeps claiming elven themes belong to the alliance, when he fails to even address this difference and instead tries to group all the "elven themes" as one thing, when the differences between, say, Night Elves and Nightborne is self evident. So while Elves were part of the alliance first, the Fancy and Elegant Elf was never a theme specific to the alliance as it is to the Horde.

Which IMO? Kinda moot, because I don't even agree we need strongly enforced thematic and aesthetic dichotomy for every racial group-but if you are going to use it as an argument, you gotta put all the facts on the table

[Ardenaso]

Umbric and Vereesa wanting to bring Silvermoon into the Alliance.

gee I wonder where Umbric was within years 20 to 26 when no help from the Alliance came to Quel'thalas and they had to fend for themselves alone from the Scourge, Amani, and Wretched. Vereesa's feelings have no bearing considering she was never there for the Blood Elves on those times

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

So the words of two trumped up rangers override the very words of the Lord Regent? I don't think so.

Vereesa and Alleria can stay in Stormwind with their Human Male fetishes.

Can you not get so defensive and try to listen to what it's being said first?

Lemme start with saying Silvermoon should remain with the Blood Elves.

But the point of people bringing up Alleria, Vereesa and Turalyon, is that it almost seems like set up -how much of it, that's up to each, but there's definitely something with the issue brought up again and again; as of last, by Shaw saying there are a lot of alliance sympathizers in Silvermoon.

What will be done with this apparent set up? We don't know, could range from an all out alliance assault on Silvermoon, to simply being a lead in for alliance Thalassians to reunite and settle; regardless, the point being made is that there's a lot of hints being thrown that something might happen, and people are picking on that. Now, what each person believes that means, is subject to bias and personal want, but the reason for the speculation is in the text.

[BaumanKing]

Ok, but what will ignite this "Thalassian Civil War"? Alleria and Turalyon are not villians yet, they won't invade Quel'Thalas just for the lulz. They'll need a better reason for that. Besides "other holdings of the old Alliance" could very well mean Gilneas, Gnomeregan or even Alterac, since they are not occupied by the Horde, just like Stromgarde before the Fourth War.

[Ardenaso]

Ok, but what will ignite this "Thalassian Civil War"? Alleria and Turalyon are not villians yet, they won't invade Quel'Thalas just for the lulz. They'll need a better reason for that. Besides "other holdings of the old Alliance" could very well mean Gilneas, Gnomeregan or even Alterac, since they are not occupied by the Horde, just like Stromgarde before the Fourth War.

the Alliance has no more legitimate claim for Alterac

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

gee I wonder where Umbric was within years 20 to 26 when no help from the Alliance came to Quel'thalas and they had to fend for themselves alone from the Scourge, Amani, and Wretched. Vereesa's feelings have no bearing considering she was never there for the Blood Elves on those times

And again, the point with that is not whether they are right/justified, but if they can leverage other thalassians similar feelings into action.

You are not being asked to agree with them, the question is whether the characters will do something about these beliefs.

So the question is, will something come about these hints? Is Blizzard peppering them in because something they have in mind, or is just flavor text? Because again, the issue is how many alliance thalassians bring the point up, plus Turalyon's desire to bring in more alliance former holdings, plus the knowledge of alliance sympathizers in Silvermoon. So again, I think the question that matters here is if you believe something will be done with this set up, not if you want to.

[Varodoc]

Ok, but what will ignite this "Thalassian Civil War"? Alleria and Turalyon are not villians yet, they won't invade Quel'Thalas just for the lulz. They'll need a better reason for that. Besides "other holdings of the old Alliance" could very well mean Gilneas, Gnomeregan or even Alterac, since they are not occupied by the Horde, just like Stromgarde before the Fourth War.

Implying that invading Quel'Thalas would be villainous...

You do know how Quel'Thalas was founded in the first place, right? Does that mean that the Thalassian government is villainous too?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ok, but what will ignite this "Thalassian Civil War"? Alleria and Turalyon are not villians yet, they won't invade Quel'Thalas just for the lulz. They'll need a better reason for that. Besides "other holdings of the old Alliance" could very well mean Gilneas, Gnomeregan or even Alterac, since they are not occupied by the Horde, just like Stromgarde before the Fourth War.

Indeed, it might very well possible he means other former holdings.

The speculation stems from all the small bits of info we get regarding Quel'thalas and Silvermoon; Umbric, Alleria and Vereesa believing in bringing the BE's back to the alliance, plus Turalyon's desire to bring in more alliance former holdings, plus the knowledge of alliance sympathizers in Silvermoon.

So it might well mean nothing -and that's fine- but many speculate all this bits are hinting to something larger, whether this means a full on attack on Silvermoon, or something way smaller, it's up to each individual.