Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[BaumanKing]

the Alliance has no more legitimate claim for Alterac

And how exactly is this supposed to stop the Alliance? Besides, Perenolde's nephew was last seen with Genn in Gilneas. If he is still alive and with the Greymane family, the Alliance will have this "legitimate claim".

Implying that invading Quel'Thalas would be villainous...

For Turalyon? Yes. Even in Shadows Rising he is still portrayed as a good guy. He won't attack first unless provoked.

So it might well mean nothing -and that's fine- but many speculate all this bits are hinting to something larger, whether this means a full on attack on Silvermoon, or something way smaller, it's up to each individual.

I agree. Something is definitely brewing with the Sunwell. It would be strange not to use a source of pure Light in a expansion about Light vs Void.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I agree. Something is definitely brewing with the Sunwell. It would be strange not to use a source of pure Light in a expansion about Light vs Void.

Indeed; the whole set up, the existence of the Sunwell as a light-source probe to tampering by the Void, Turalyon -who is a nice man but still kind of a light zealot- the Void Elves -Alleria, his wife, their leader- There is so much that now entwines thalassians with the Void/Light conflict that it would be bewildering if it isn't addressed on a Void/Light expansion.

[Varodoc]

And how exactly is this supposed to stop the Alliance? Besides, Perenolde's nephew was last seen with Genn in Gilneas. If he is still alive and with the Greymane family, the Alliance will have this "legitimate claim".



For Turalyon? Yes. Even in Shadows Rising he is still portrayed as a good guy. He won't attack first unless provoked.



I agree. Something is definitely brewing with the Sunwell. It would be strange not to use a source of pure Light in a expansion about Light vs Void.

Dath'remar Sunstrider is portrayed as a good guy and he invaded the lurid Amani homeland unprovoked.

Why would Turalyon be a villain just because he chooses to invade a Horde nation?

[Imperator4321]

Indeed; the whole set up, the existence of the Sunwell as a light-source probe to tampering by the Void, Turalyon -who is a nice man but still kind of a light zealot- the Void Elves -Alleria, his wife, their leader- There is so much that now entwines thalassians with the Void/Light conflict that it would be bewildering if it isn't addressed on a Void/Light expansion.

i get the feeling that was going to be explored in the cancelled Silvermoon Warfront (although it probably would have actually been a Ghostlands/Eversong Woods Warfront) which would have been Alleria and the Void Elves trying to fulfill the threat she made at Lor'themar (maybe with the Lightforge's help similar to how the Worgen helped the Night Elves in the Darkshore Warfront. The Nightborne would probably be the ones helping the Blood Elves defend Silvermoon)

Since the Alliance canonically won the Arathi and Darkshore warfronts i'm guessing the Horde would have won the cancelled Silvermoon, Barrens and Azshara Warfronts those last two probably would been Tauren vs Somebody (Maybe Dwarves) and Gnomes vs Goblins respectively.

[Ardenaso]

And again, the point with that is not whether they are right/justified, but if they can leverage other thalassians similar feelings into action.

You are not being asked to agree with them, the question is whether the characters will do something about these beliefs.

So the question is, will something come about these hints? Is Blizzard peppering them in because something they have in mind, or is just flavor text? Because again, the issue is how many alliance thalassians bring the point up, plus Turalyon's desire to bring in more alliance former holdings, plus the knowledge of alliance sympathizers in Silvermoon. So again, I think the question that matters here is if you believe something will be done with this set up, not if you want to.

you're right; my bad

I kinda want them to make the supposed Quel'thalas Warfront to happen; and since the BFA Warfronts were Alliance victories, these ones can be given to the Horde

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Tauren vs Somebody (Maybe Dwarves)

Stonespires vs. Dwarf excavators? Twinbraid was never held accountable that would have been the perfect time to make justice imo

[Imperator4321]

you're right; my bad

I kinda want them to make the supposed Quel'thalas Warfront to happen; and since the BFA Warfronts were Alliance victories, these ones can be given to the Horde

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Stonespires vs. Dwarf excavators? Twinbraid was never held accountable that would have been the perfect time to make justice imo

I get the feeling the Warfronts were supposed to follow a storyline/sequence such as the Arathi one leading into a Silvermoon Warfront, Darkshore leading to Barrens and Azshara warfronts, (maybe even a Gilneas or Echo Isle warfront) but they weren't as popular as Blizzard was hoping so more Warfronts after Darkshore were seen as wastes of resources. We might see those come back as future plotlines.

I also suspect that the heritage armors we got for Gnomes, Goblins, Worgen, Dwarves, Tauren and Blood Elves were designed from concepts originally intended to be Warfront armors themed after their respective sides as a sort of consolation thing.

Honestly i just used said Dwarves since the Tauren don't really have any direct rivalries/bad blood with races even stuff like the the Bael'dun is fairly tame at least in comparison to Humans vs Orcs and Night Elves vs Forsaken

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

i get the feeling that was going to be explored in the cancelled Silvermoon Warfront (although it probably would have actually been a Ghostlands/Eversong Woods Warfront) which would have been Alleria and the Void Elves trying to fulfill the threat she made at Lor'themar (maybe with the Lightforge's help similar to how the Worgen helped the Night Elves in the Darkshore Warfront. The Nightborne would probably be the ones helping the Blood Elves defend Silvermoon)

Since the Alliance canonically won the Arathi and Darkshore warfronts i'm guessing the Horde would have won the cancelled Silvermoon, Barrens and Azshara Warfronts those last two probably would been Tauren vs Somebody (Maybe Dwarves) and Gnomes vs Goblins respectively.

This is one of the parts where the desire for an "Horde/Alliance" aesthetic and theme based type of content works on the detriment of the Lore and setting, what I mean by that;

They really just wanted to go for that hold "Humans v/s Orcs" feeling on Arathi, which was narratively pointless. We spend 1 whole Warfront out of 2 in pure nostalgia, which wouldn't have been such an issue if we just had two warfronts, but alas, half of warfront material served no narrative purpose.

Contrast that to the possibility of a Quel'thalas warfront instead, which would have had so much more meaning in an Alliance/Horde conflict. It was just really perfect warfront material and it's a shame it just went unused. But perhaps leaves the room for it to actually be compelling content, or perhaps just killed the idea before it ever happened. Who knows.

[Traveler Voltin]

i liked warfronts.
its a shame others hated them it was a cool concept.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

you're right; my bad

I kinda want them to make the supposed Quel'thalas Warfront to happen; and since the BFA Warfronts were Alliance victories, these ones can be given to the Horde

It would have been far more thematically fitting for an alliance/horde war to go to Quel'thalas rather than Arathi of all places. Perhaps the reason we got the warfronts we did is because it required no new assets mostly -but then you gotta ask yourself why they spent all those resources upgrading Auberdine to then not even use it in any meaningful way-

Warfronts as a concept were pretty weak, so I am not sorry we didn't get another; part of me feels the concept of a war on Quel'thalas would have been wasted with how warfronts turned out to be. *shrug*

[Imperator4321]

This is one of the parts where the desire for an "Horde/Alliance" aesthetic and theme based type of content works on the detriment of the Lore and setting, what I mean by that;

They really just wanted to go for that hold "Humans v/s Orcs" feeling on Arathi, which was narratively pointless. We spend 1 whole Warfront out of 2 in pure nostalgia, which wouldn't have been such an issue if we just had two warfronts, but alas, half of warfront material served no narrative purpose.

Contrast that to the possibility of a Quel'thalas warfront instead, which would have had so much more meaning in an Alliance/Horde conflict. It was just really perfect warfront material and it's a shame it just went unused. But perhaps leaves the room for it to actually be compelling content, or perhaps just killed the idea before it ever happened. Who knows.

I think the Arathi Warfront was intended as a setup for further Warfronts in the Eastern Kingdoms with the canonical alliance victory leading to more campaigns/warfronts in the northern Eastern Kingdoms like the Silvermoon Warfront (and possibly a Gilneas one), similiar idea with the Darkshore one leading to the Alliance attempting to reclaim/conquer more of Kalimdor with the Barrens and Azshara warfronts (and possibly and Echo Isle one)

Since more Warfronts didn't happen the Arathi one does feel kind of pointless/nostalgia baiting with the Humans vs Orcs thing (aside from Stromgarde now being a Kingdom again which is neat)

I do agree it would have been interesting to see the Void Elves get more development with a Warfront about them trying to take Silvermoon especially if the Lightforged were their support/backup since currently it seems awkward that we have the Light Infused Draenei and the Void Infused Elves on the same factions with seemingly no problems with eachother (maybe the Lightforged wouldn't trust them with something as important/holy to the light as the Sunwell and would only be helping them in the Warfront to make sure they don't do anything shady with it or maybe they would only be doing it begrudgingly since Turalyon ordered them to support Alleria's forces.)

[elbleuet]

Alleria : "Silvermoon will stand with the Alliance"
Umbric : "I prey we bring Silvermoon back into the fold"
Shaw in Silvermoon : "wat if she said the truth ?"
Turalyon with Alleria not far : "I will reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron's holdings"

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*


Horde players : "no."

hahaha

We'll see where that leads us.

[Traveler Voltin]

just proves that like the certain players. Alliance lore characters are delusional.

[Varodoc]

Alleria : "Silvermoon will stand with the Alliance"
Umbric : "I prey we bring Silvermoon back into the fold"
Shaw in Silvermoon : "wat if she said the truth ?"
Turalyon with Alleria not far : "I will reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron's holdings"

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*


Horde players : "no."

hahaha

We'll see where that leads us.

Notice how they never use words like "war", "invasion", "battle", or "march".

They are being very diplomatic/pacifistic about it.

Yet some people here act like Alleria wants to raze the entire kingdom to the ground

[Imperator4321]

Alleria : "Silvermoon will stand with the Alliance"
Umbric : "I prey we bring Silvermoon back into the fold"
Shaw in Silvermoon : "wat if she said the truth ?"
Turalyon with Alleria not far : "I will reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron's holdings"

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*


Horde players : "no."

hahaha

We'll see where that leads us.

After BFA showed how divisive and frankly obnoxious faction war content can be when it's the sole plot motivator/thread i don't think we're going to be getting any major faction war style content for quite some time, at most i think we'll see cold war style conflict between the Alliance and Horde and minor conflicts between factions within each, such as the Void Elves, Night Elves, Gilneans and Lightforged perhaps being more open to acts against the Horde, I don't think any faction within the Horde wants to escalate things again aside from maybe the Zandalari (who would still have a grudge from Rastakhans death).

Pretty sure Dalaran is officially neutral since i'm think Khadgar still leads it and he's more or less put faction conflict behind him.

Notice how they never use words like "war", "invasion", "battle", or "march".

They are being very diplomatic/pacifistic about it.

Yet some people here act like Alleria wants to raze the entire kingdom to the ground

Alleria's skills a diplomacy leave a lot to be desired to be honest

It's kind of hilarous actually that shes been uninvolved/missing (although was Ranger-Captain even held in that high regard in Quel'Thalas in the first place?) in the geopolitical affairs of Quel'thalas for decades (centries long from her perspective) and immediately tries to assert herself in the affairs of the kingdom as some kind of force of change after presumably having her sister give her a history lesson (and i'll assume Vereesa left out the whole purge of dalaran thing) shes hilarously out of touch with the people of Quel'thalas (not to mention the Void Lords whispering in her head).

[Ardenaso]

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*

Lordaeron is being rebuilt and I don't think Khadgar will allow the Alliance to use Dalaran against the Horde; also the Argent Crusade and Brotherhood of the Light is in good relations with the Eitrigg and the former is also in good relations with Liadrin, I also don't think they will allow any violence in the area.

[elbleuet]

Lordaeron is being rebuilt and I don't think Khadgar will allow the Alliance to use Dalaran against the Horde; also the Argent Crusade and Brotherhood of the Light is in good relations with the Eitrigg and the former is also in good relations with Liadrin, I also don't think they will allow any violence in the area.

In the end, former Alliance members always come back home. See : Dalaran, Stromgarde, Gilneas, Kul'Tiras, the Silver Hand.

If the Alliance is threatened, Khadgar will not favor a faction that comitted 2 genocides. Also if you didn't know, Khadgar IS an Alliance member.

[Ardenaso]

In the end, former Alliance members always come back home. See : Dalaran, Stromgarde, Gilneas, Kul'Tiras, the Silver Hand.

If the Alliance is threatened, Khadgar will not favor a faction that comitted 2 genocides. Also if you didn't know, Khadgar IS an Alliance member.

eh, the Argent Crusade and the Kirin Tor didn't sanction the Horde during the peak of the Fourth War and while Sylvanas was still ruling; I don't think they will do it any moment now the Horde is ruled by a council

[elbleuet]

eh, the Argent Crusade and the Kirin Tor didn't sanction the Horde during the peak of the Fourth War and while Sylvanas was still ruling; I don't think they will do it any moment now the Horde is ruled by a council

We know the Horde can commit genocides and destroy cities without any consequences just to not upset Horde players. That's not new.
Ofc the Kirin tor did not move because Blizzard doesn't care.
Even the Alliance did not care. Sylvanas is gone? All is forgiven!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

We know the Horde can commit genocides and destroy cities without any consequences just to not upset Horde players. That's not new.
Ofc the Kirin tor did not move because Blizzard doesn't care.
Even the Alliance did not care. Sylvanas is gone? All is forgiven!

I mean neutral organizations have the conceit of their, well, neutrality, unlike the alliance that just keeps forgetting. The AC and KT are neutral not just because they are above petty squabbles, but because of necessity; neutrality is a political compromise for these factions that have to maintain good relationships with both factions in order to subsist -like they rely heavily in horde and alliance infrastructure and resources- they are minor political players contrasted to the Horde and Alliance, they really can't afford to antagonize either.

[Varodoc]

Alleria's skills a diplomacy leave a lot to be desired to be honest

It's kind of hilarous actually that shes been uninvolved/missing (although was Ranger-Captain even held in that high regard in Quel'Thalas in the first place?) in the geopolitical affairs of Quel'thalas for decades (centries long from her perspective) and immediately tries to assert herself in the affairs of the kingdom as some kind of force of change after presumably having her sister give her a history lesson (and i'll assume Vereesa left out the whole purge of dalaran thing) shes hilarously out of touch with the people of Quel'thalas (not to mention the Void Lords whispering in her head).

Alleria is a skilled diplomat. She attempted to bring Theron into the Alliance at the end of Legion, and would have succeeded if this game was not built on a 2 facti-- err, if Jaina had not purged Dalaran. Which Alleria could not have known. Liadrin did not bother to tell Alleria what truly happened while they were on the Vindicaar, which means that Alleria's only source of information was her sister Vereesa.

Alleria was held in very high regard in Thalassian society. During the Second War, she was the main Thalassian figure fighting for the Alliance. She took part in all major battles of the war, no other Thalassian did. It is therefore not a surprise that Alleria is praised by the Thalassians as a war hero and legend. Theron, despite knowing the danger posed by the Void, could not bring himself to deny Alleria one last visit to the Sunwell, because she is that respected as a war hero.

But is Alleria really out of touch with the people of Quel'thalas, when they literally tried to rejoin the Alliance just 2-3 years before Legion?

And let us not forget that the Sin'dorei are not the only people of Quel'thalas. She is definitely NOT out of touch with the Quel'dorei and the Ren'dorei (whom she saved from a grim fate and whom she directly leads).