Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Imperator4321]

This is one of the parts where the desire for an "Horde/Alliance" aesthetic and theme based type of content works on the detriment of the Lore and setting, what I mean by that;

They really just wanted to go for that hold "Humans v/s Orcs" feeling on Arathi, which was narratively pointless. We spend 1 whole Warfront out of 2 in pure nostalgia, which wouldn't have been such an issue if we just had two warfronts, but alas, half of warfront material served no narrative purpose.

Contrast that to the possibility of a Quel'thalas warfront instead, which would have had so much more meaning in an Alliance/Horde conflict. It was just really perfect warfront material and it's a shame it just went unused. But perhaps leaves the room for it to actually be compelling content, or perhaps just killed the idea before it ever happened. Who knows.

I think the Arathi Warfront was intended as a setup for further Warfronts in the Eastern Kingdoms with the canonical alliance victory leading to more campaigns/warfronts in the northern Eastern Kingdoms like the Silvermoon Warfront (and possibly a Gilneas one), similiar idea with the Darkshore one leading to the Alliance attempting to reclaim/conquer more of Kalimdor with the Barrens and Azshara warfronts (and possibly and Echo Isle one)

Since more Warfronts didn't happen the Arathi one does feel kind of pointless/nostalgia baiting with the Humans vs Orcs thing (aside from Stromgarde now being a Kingdom again which is neat)

I do agree it would have been interesting to see the Void Elves get more development with a Warfront about them trying to take Silvermoon especially if the Lightforged were their support/backup since currently it seems awkward that we have the Light Infused Draenei and the Void Infused Elves on the same factions with seemingly no problems with eachother (maybe the Lightforged wouldn't trust them with something as important/holy to the light as the Sunwell and would only be helping them in the Warfront to make sure they don't do anything shady with it or maybe they would only be doing it begrudgingly since Turalyon ordered them to support Alleria's forces.)

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Alleria : "Silvermoon will stand with the Alliance"
Umbric : "I prey we bring Silvermoon back into the fold"
Shaw in Silvermoon : "wat if she said the truth ?"
Turalyon with Alleria not far : "I will reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron's holdings"

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*


Horde players : "no."

hahaha

We'll see where that leads us.

[Traveler Voltin]

just proves that like the certain players. Alliance lore characters are delusional.

[Varodoc]

Alleria : "Silvermoon will stand with the Alliance"
Umbric : "I prey we bring Silvermoon back into the fold"
Shaw in Silvermoon : "wat if she said the truth ?"
Turalyon with Alleria not far : "I will reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron's holdings"

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*


Horde players : "no."

hahaha

We'll see where that leads us.

Notice how they never use words like "war", "invasion", "battle", or "march".

They are being very diplomatic/pacifistic about it.

Yet some people here act like Alleria wants to raze the entire kingdom to the ground

[Imperator4321]

Alleria : "Silvermoon will stand with the Alliance"
Umbric : "I prey we bring Silvermoon back into the fold"
Shaw in Silvermoon : "wat if she said the truth ?"
Turalyon with Alleria not far : "I will reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron's holdings"

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*


Horde players : "no."

hahaha

We'll see where that leads us.

After BFA showed how divisive and frankly obnoxious faction war content can be when it's the sole plot motivator/thread i don't think we're going to be getting any major faction war style content for quite some time, at most i think we'll see cold war style conflict between the Alliance and Horde and minor conflicts between factions within each, such as the Void Elves, Night Elves, Gilneans and Lightforged perhaps being more open to acts against the Horde, I don't think any faction within the Horde wants to escalate things again aside from maybe the Zandalari (who would still have a grudge from Rastakhans death).

Pretty sure Dalaran is officially neutral since i'm think Khadgar still leads it and he's more or less put faction conflict behind him.

Notice how they never use words like "war", "invasion", "battle", or "march".

They are being very diplomatic/pacifistic about it.

Yet some people here act like Alleria wants to raze the entire kingdom to the ground

Alleria's skills a diplomacy leave a lot to be desired to be honest

It's kind of hilarous actually that shes been uninvolved/missing (although was Ranger-Captain even held in that high regard in Quel'Thalas in the first place?) in the geopolitical affairs of Quel'thalas for decades (centries long from her perspective) and immediately tries to assert herself in the affairs of the kingdom as some kind of force of change after presumably having her sister give her a history lesson (and i'll assume Vereesa left out the whole purge of dalaran thing) shes hilarously out of touch with the people of Quel'thalas (not to mention the Void Lords whispering in her head).

[Ardenaso]

*Lordaeron plagued, Gilneas abandonned, Stromgarde restored, Alterac destroyed and Dalaran flying in the clouds*

Lordaeron is being rebuilt and I don't think Khadgar will allow the Alliance to use Dalaran against the Horde; also the Argent Crusade and Brotherhood of the Light is in good relations with the Eitrigg and the former is also in good relations with Liadrin, I also don't think they will allow any violence in the area.

[elbleuet]

Lordaeron is being rebuilt and I don't think Khadgar will allow the Alliance to use Dalaran against the Horde; also the Argent Crusade and Brotherhood of the Light is in good relations with the Eitrigg and the former is also in good relations with Liadrin, I also don't think they will allow any violence in the area.

In the end, former Alliance members always come back home. See : Dalaran, Stromgarde, Gilneas, Kul'Tiras, the Silver Hand.

If the Alliance is threatened, Khadgar will not favor a faction that comitted 2 genocides. Also if you didn't know, Khadgar IS an Alliance member.

[Ardenaso]

In the end, former Alliance members always come back home. See : Dalaran, Stromgarde, Gilneas, Kul'Tiras, the Silver Hand.

If the Alliance is threatened, Khadgar will not favor a faction that comitted 2 genocides. Also if you didn't know, Khadgar IS an Alliance member.

eh, the Argent Crusade and the Kirin Tor didn't sanction the Horde during the peak of the Fourth War and while Sylvanas was still ruling; I don't think they will do it any moment now the Horde is ruled by a council

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eh, the Argent Crusade and the Kirin Tor didn't sanction the Horde during the peak of the Fourth War and while Sylvanas was still ruling; I don't think they will do it any moment now the Horde is ruled by a council

We know the Horde can commit genocides and destroy cities without any consequences just to not upset Horde players. That's not new.
Ofc the Kirin tor did not move because Blizzard doesn't care.
Even the Alliance did not care. Sylvanas is gone? All is forgiven!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

We know the Horde can commit genocides and destroy cities without any consequences just to not upset Horde players. That's not new.
Ofc the Kirin tor did not move because Blizzard doesn't care.
Even the Alliance did not care. Sylvanas is gone? All is forgiven!

I mean neutral organizations have the conceit of their, well, neutrality, unlike the alliance that just keeps forgetting. The AC and KT are neutral not just because they are above petty squabbles, but because of necessity; neutrality is a political compromise for these factions that have to maintain good relationships with both factions in order to subsist -like they rely heavily in horde and alliance infrastructure and resources- they are minor political players contrasted to the Horde and Alliance, they really can't afford to antagonize either.

[Varodoc]

Alleria's skills a diplomacy leave a lot to be desired to be honest

It's kind of hilarous actually that shes been uninvolved/missing (although was Ranger-Captain even held in that high regard in Quel'Thalas in the first place?) in the geopolitical affairs of Quel'thalas for decades (centries long from her perspective) and immediately tries to assert herself in the affairs of the kingdom as some kind of force of change after presumably having her sister give her a history lesson (and i'll assume Vereesa left out the whole purge of dalaran thing) shes hilarously out of touch with the people of Quel'thalas (not to mention the Void Lords whispering in her head).

Alleria is a skilled diplomat. She attempted to bring Theron into the Alliance at the end of Legion, and would have succeeded if this game was not built on a 2 facti-- err, if Jaina had not purged Dalaran. Which Alleria could not have known. Liadrin did not bother to tell Alleria what truly happened while they were on the Vindicaar, which means that Alleria's only source of information was her sister Vereesa.

Alleria was held in very high regard in Thalassian society. During the Second War, she was the main Thalassian figure fighting for the Alliance. She took part in all major battles of the war, no other Thalassian did. It is therefore not a surprise that Alleria is praised by the Thalassians as a war hero and legend. Theron, despite knowing the danger posed by the Void, could not bring himself to deny Alleria one last visit to the Sunwell, because she is that respected as a war hero.

But is Alleria really out of touch with the people of Quel'thalas, when they literally tried to rejoin the Alliance just 2-3 years before Legion?

And let us not forget that the Sin'dorei are not the only people of Quel'thalas. She is definitely NOT out of touch with the Quel'dorei and the Ren'dorei (whom she saved from a grim fate and whom she directly leads).

[Vaedan]

gee I wonder where Umbric was within years 20 to 26 when no help from the Alliance came to Quel'thalas and they had to fend for themselves alone from the Scourge, Amani, and Wretched. Vereesa's feelings have no bearing considering she was never there for the Blood Elves on those times

We don't know anything from Umbric's past, but as he was a blood and magister of Silvermoon, he was probably in Quel'thalas or Outland (maybe former Sunfury). Shortly after his transformation, he has a speech that he and his group were never really happy with Quel'thalas becoming part of the Horde.

You know, there may be more thalassians who love their homeland and might question the Horde. After all, what have Horde done for blood elves in recent years? It is clear Horde use thalassian resources for their own conflicts and offer almost nothing in return. Halduron had to invite Vereesa and her rangers during Amani crisis, specificaly stating his rangers are not available, so that means they had to fight somewhere else. Ghostlands are still overrun by undead to this day and with Forsaken presence greatly weakened in Northern EK and Sylvanas turning traitor, we don't know what support elves get from the Horde these days.

[Varodoc]

gee I wonder where Umbric was within years 20 to 26 when no help from the Alliance came to Quel'thalas and they had to fend for themselves alone from the Scourge, Amani, and Wretched. Vereesa's feelings have no bearing considering she was never there for the Blood Elves on those times

... In Quel'Thalas?

Magister Umbric and his followers were exiled because they were deemed a threat to the Sunwell. Since they wield the Void, this means that conflict arose only after the Sunwell was purified by the Light at the end of TBC.

Which means that, in Years 20-26, Umbric and his followers were in Quel'Thalas, studying the Void and doing their duty.

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Also, I still can't believe some people genuinely wanted playable Broken instead of Void elves. Like, look at this trash:



Sorry guys, but people want to play beautiful humanoid races, not ugly monsters. It's like that in 2020, it was like that in 2017, it was like that in 2004, and it will remain like that in 2030. That's why they went for Blood elves instead of Goblin or Ogres in TBC. Void elves were the right decision.

[FossilFree]

... In Quel'Thalas?

Magister Umbric and his followers were exiled because they were deemed a threat to the Sunwell. Since they wield the Void, this means that conflict arose only after the Sunwell was purified by the Light at the end of TBC.

Which means that, in Years 20-26, Umbric and his followers were in Quel'Thalas, studying the Void and doing their duty.

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Also, I still can't believe some people genuinely wanted playable Broken instead of Void elves. Like, look at this trash:



Sorry guys, but people want to play beautiful humanoid races, not ugly monsters. It's like that in 2020, it was like that in 2017, it was like that in 2004, and it will remain like that in 2030. That's why they went for Blood elves instead of Goblin or Ogres in TBC. Void elves were the right decision.

I'm still convinced that they originally planned on making Lightforged Elves and Void Broken, until the script got flipped somewhere along the way. This is why Void Elves use the Argussian Reach faction instead of their own and also why Blood Elves had gold eyes waiting for them randomly in BFA (they just gave the unfinished Lightforged Elf options to Blood Elves).

[Varodoc]

I'm still convinced that they originally planned on making Lightforged Elves and Void Broken, until the script got flipped somewhere along the way. This is why Void Elves use the Argussian Reach faction instead of their own and also why Blood Elves had gold eyes waiting for them randomly in BFA (they just gave the unfinished Lightforged Elf options to Blood Elves).

The rep faction means nothing. The Dark Irons and Mag'har are unlocked through 7th Legion and Honorbound reputation, it doesn't mean that they are affiliated with those factions. In Mac'aree, Alleria Windrunner defied the shadows' whispers and became the first Ren'dorei, and the rep faction associated with Mac'aree is the Argussian Reach, so it just makes sense to tie the Ren'dorei with that reputation faction. There's no deeper meaning.

If the Broken were planned as the allied race instead of the Void elves, it's safe to say that we would've at least seen one female broken, but they are all men on Argus. That female model on the pic is fan-made. The fact that the Broken on Argus are all male proves that Blizzard never planned to have Broken instead of Void elves.

[Alanar]

... In Quel'Thalas?

Magister Umbric and his followers were exiled because they were deemed a threat to the Sunwell. Since they wield the Void, this means that conflict arose only after the Sunwell was purified by the Light at the end of TBC.

Which means that, in Years 20-26, Umbric and his followers were in Quel'Thalas, studying the Void and doing their duty.

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Also, I still can't believe some people genuinely wanted playable Broken instead of Void elves. Like, look at this trash:



Sorry guys, but people want to play beautiful humanoid races, not ugly monsters. It's like that in 2020, it was like that in 2017, it was like that in 2004, and it will remain like that in 2030. That's why they went for Blood elves instead of Goblin or Ogres in TBC. Void elves were the right decision.

Look past your selfish view and look at the bigger picture.

Broken dreanei are unique and many people wanted them. Instead we got was a rip off blood elf a race wich was already playable and half arsed as well. You think its weird people dont like void elves?

There is a different side and that is this.. then just your view. Anyway you never respond and only when it suit you. No wonder no one takes you serious anymore.

[Ardenaso]

... In Quel'Thalas?

Magister Umbric and his followers were exiled because they were deemed a threat to the Sunwell. Since they wield the Void, this means that conflict arose only after the Sunwell was purified by the Light at the end of TBC.

Which means that, in Years 20-26, Umbric and his followers were in Quel'Thalas, studying the Void and doing their duty.

Umbric was in Quel'thalas!

Then he should have known better than Rommath, the Scryers, or the Illidari or anyone who was not in Silvermoon that the Alliance left them for themselves and abandoned them, and they will do so again when the Alliance has no more use for the Thalassians

[Varodoc]

Umbric was in Quel'thalas!

Then he should have known better than Rommath, the Scryers, or the Illidari or anyone who was not in Silvermoon that the Alliance left them for themselves and abandoned them, and they will do so again when the Alliance has no more use for the Thalassians

The Alliance didn't leave them for themselves nor abandon them, you do understand they had their own wars to fight, right? Lordaeron was literally engulfed by the undead, Stormwind was 3 subcontinents away and had to deal with the Defias revolution, and Kul Tiras was so secluded that they thought Jaina had died, they didn't even know Theramore existed...

Umbric, like any sane person, would realize that the Alliance was in no position to help them, and that no one could have prepared for the massive Scourge invasion throughout the northern kingdoms.

Stop acting like the Alliance is opportunistic and evil, they have literally never ditch an ally when they were no longer "useful", in fact it was the Quel'dorei who left the Alliance after THEY thought the Alliance was no longer useful to their survival.

[Yarathir]

Also, I still can't believe some people genuinely wanted playable Broken instead of Void elves. Like, look at this trash:



Sorry guys, but people want to play beautiful humanoid races, not ugly monsters. It's like that in 2020, it was like that in 2017, it was like that in 2004, and it will remain like that in 2030. That's why they went for Blood elves instead of Goblin or Ogres in TBC. Void elves were the right decision.

That looks cool. Not sure what you are moaning about.

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The rep faction means nothing. The Dark Irons and Mag'har are unlocked through 7th Legion and Honorbound reputation, it doesn't mean that they are affiliated with those factions.

That would be because Mag'har weren't planned to start with. They were made just to have something to go with Dark Irons when Blizzard decided that giving Alliance Dark Irons and Horde Zandalari was maybe a bit lopsided.

[Ardenaso]

The Alliance didn't leave them for themselves nor abandon them, you do understand they had their own wars to fight, right? Lordaeron was literally engulfed by the undead, Stormwind was 3 subcontinents away and had to deal with the Defias revolution, and Kul Tiras was so secluded that they thought Jaina had died, they didn't even know Theramore existed...

Umbric, like any sane person, would realize that the Alliance was in no position to help them, and that no one could have prepared for the massive Scourge invasion throughout the northern kingdoms.

Stop acting like the Alliance is opportunistic and evil, they have literally never ditch an ally when they were no longer "useful", in fact it was the Quel'dorei who left the Alliance after THEY thought the Alliance was no longer useful to their survival.

I mean if the Grand Alliance can send forces to Silithus and Eastern Plaguelands back in Classic/Vanilla they can also do so to Ghostlands and Eversong