Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Sagenod]

Their "build up" being insufficient is what makes people see Void Elves as an "asspull". You don't agree. That's fine.

I feel I need to make it clear that, I like Void Elves as a concept. As my avatar indicates, I play one myself. I just feel that their setup and introduction were done poorly and rushed. Sourcing them from Blood Elves added insult to injury for those asking for High Elves, when Blizzard could have sourced them from the Silver Covenant High Elves that were right there ready to be transformed and yet still provide the High Elf-stans the High Elves that never left the Alliance. Instead Blizzard gave the Alliance literal Blood Elves.

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I have to agree with you. Both the argument being pointless, and that the customization options basically address the call for Alliance High Elves, even if some holdouts will never stop asking for them as their own race.

What I feel Void Elves need now is lore added to the game to help establish the foundation for them that they didn't get in Legion or BfA. In-game lore that tells us why these Silvermoon Scholars and High Elf Wayfarers are joining the Ren'dorei, and how they are acquiring their powers, would go a long way to fleshing Void Elves out.

Agreed entirely. I think they could be cool if the writers do some more world-building but as it stands the race is rather bare bones. I mean, were they given anything in BFA? I wouldn't know considering I quit at the end of Legion.

[Varodoc]

If you people think the argument I started is "pointless", then start your own argument. Do you know what's actually pointless? Complaining about someone else while not doing anything yourself. You're like the people who constantly talk shit and never actually do anything themselves. Since you can clearly come up with a more entertaining topic, propose it and I'll be happy to participate.

Their "build up" being insufficient is what makes people see Void Elves as an "asspull". You don't agree. That's fine.

I feel I need to make it clear that, I like Void Elves as a concept. As my avatar indicates, I play one myself. I just feel that their setup and introduction were done poorly and rushed. Sourcing them from Blood Elves added insult to injury for those asking for High Elves, when Blizzard could have sourced them from the Silver Covenant High Elves that were right there ready to be transformed and yet still provide the High Elf-stans the High Elves that never left the Alliance. Instead Blizzard gave the Alliance literal Blood Elves.

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I have to agree with you. Both the argument being pointless, and that the customization options basically address the call for Alliance High Elves, even if some holdouts will never stop asking for them as their own race.

What I feel Void Elves need now is lore added to the game to help establish the foundation for them that they didn't get in Legion or BfA. In-game lore that tells us why these Silvermoon Scholars and High Elf Wayfarers are joining the Ren'dorei, and how they are acquiring their powers, would go a long way to fleshing Void Elves out.

An "asspull" is when there is no build-up, instead there was a build-up, and people ignore it, in spite of constant evidence from Blizzard themselves that the Void elves are tied to the developments on Mac'aree.

Meanwhile we have an entire expansion based on a stupid easter egg and a shop pet, and we have a Classic race that literally came from 2 lines in a manual and (if I recall correctly) one building in WC2.

But sure, Void elves are the "problem".

[Kyriani]

Agreed entirely. I think they could be cool if the writers do some more world-building but as it stands the race is rather bare bones. I mean, were they given anything in BFA? I wouldn't know considering I quit at the end of Legion.

BfA made no strides towards fleshing out the Void Elf background. Blizzard peppered some Void Elf NPC's throughout the expansion zones as vendors, flight masters, and nameless NPC's meant to be killed or as friendly window dressing depending on your faction. There was an Island Expedition team of named Void Elves that the Horde had to fight. There was also, somehow magicked into being, dozens if not hundreds of throwaway void elves for the march across Nazmir where they all died. Even though we ultimately dealt with the void and old god corruption, the Void Elves were mysteriously absent.

Alleria spent the entire expansion on a boat doing nothing, though Magister Umbric did get a decent amount of screentime and personal development. We got to know him better but basically Alleria and Umbric are still the only Void Elves of any consequence, and no developmental progress was made for Void Elves as a people. Heck, the starting zone still has bugged out textures and terrain that are visible to players and allow them to get under the terrain. The High Elf Wayfarers are all still using Death Knight eyes and Blizzard has to bother to fix these issues years later.

With that said, the new customization options do give Void Elves the option to visually resemble High Elves to a degree, and that along with the High Elf Wayfarer NPC's does imply that some of the new Void Elf recruits were Alliance High Elves. Additional lore added to the game to reinforce this would be welcomed by many. We'll have to wait to see what sort of additonal customization is added to Void Elves down the road.

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But sure, Void elves are the "problem".

I don't think Void Elves are a problem. I just understand why many consider them an "asspull".

[Sagenod]

If you people think the argument I started is "pointless", then start your own argument. Do you know what's actually pointless? Complaining about someone else while not doing anything yourself. You're like the people who constantly talk shit and never actually do anything themselves. Since you can clearly come up with a more entertaining topic, propose it and I'll be happy to participate.



An "asspull" is when there is no build-up, instead there was a build-up, and people ignore it, in spite of constant evidence from Blizzard themselves that the Void elves are tied to the developments on Mac'aree.

Meanwhile we have an entire expansion based on a stupid easter egg and a shop pet, and we have a Classic race that literally came from 2 lines in a manual and (if I recall correctly) one building in WC2.

But sure, Void elves are the "problem".

You seem to be unable to reconcile the fact that people have negative feelings towards the Void Elves because they seem like an "asspull," which whether or not you agree the sentiment is substantiated by the fact that there is hardly any lore to create interest. Since they were introduced at the end of Legion, we have learned nothing new about them. The lore that does exist for them, which thus far is only their origin, is lacking in consistency. Alleria consumed the power of L'ura and became a Void Elf. The Ren'dorei were transformed by the Ethereals. The newcomers are turned into Void Elves by... something. See the issue?

Also, what exactly was foreshadowing the Void Elves on Argus? Alleria's transformation is not foreshadowing, it's just her transforming to gain new powers

[Varodoc]

You seem to be unable to reconcile the fact that people have negative feelings towards the Void Elves because they seem like an "asspull," which whether or not you agree the sentiment is substantiated by the fact that there is hardly any lore to create interest. Since they were introduced at the end of Legion, we have learned nothing new about them. The lore that does exist for them, which thus far is only their origin, is lacking in consistency. Alleria consumed the power of L'ura and became a Void Elf. The Ren'dorei were transformed by the Ethereals. The newcomers are turned into Void Elves by... something. See the issue?

Also, what exactly was foreshadowing the Void Elves on Argus? Alleria's transformation is not foreshadowing, it's just her transforming to gain new powers

Speak for yourself, thank you. Void elves have the most interesting lore potential out of any race, far more than any other allied race for certain.

Alleria's transformation is foreshadowing that other elves can be caught up in that transformation process too.

[Kyriani]

Void elves have the most interesting lore potential out of any race, far more than any other allied race for certain.

I can agree with this. The potential that Void Elves could have is one of the things I like about them and something I hope actually gets explored. It'd be a terrible shame if they were just left as they are by the wayside.

Alleria's transformation is foreshadowing that other elves can be caught up in that transformation process too.

Alleria did not "get caught up" in a "transformation process" and does not constitute foreshadowing of Void Elves IMO. Alleria had void powers long before her encounter with L'ura. Alleria just gained the Entropic Embrace void form for the first time after consuming L'ura's power.

Umbric's group, on the other hand, were caught up in a process that was intended to turn them into Void Ethereals. That process was interrupted in the midst of the ritual and resulted in Umbric and his group being markedly different from Alleria, further distancing her from them as far as origin goes. Do they all qualify as Ren'dorei (children of the void)? I'd say so. But make no mistake, Alleria is not a Void Elf in the same way that Umbric is a Void Elf. Alleria did not undergo a transformation process, at least not in any way related to what happened to Umbric and his group. So to say her story was foreshadowing for Void Elves is a stretch to say the least.

Alleria acquired power over the void before the Argus story. Her encounter with L'ura merely increased that power. Umbric and his crew were forcibly transformed into something new by the interruption of a process that was never intended to turn them into what they currently are. How new Void Elves are coming into their power has yet to be answered and is part of what makes Void Elves feel lacking in foundational background. We lack lore defining what they are, how they are coming into their power, and why new elves are seeking them out to join them.

We can infer things by the presence of the Scholar and Wayfarer NPC's, and now the new customization options, but without any lore added by the devs, whether through in-game additions or outside-of-the-game media, we are left with only head canon conjecture. That makes Void Elves feel unfinished compared to other allied races and thus the "asspull" label is applied to them.

[Sagenod]

Speak for yourself, thank you. Void elves have the most interesting lore potential out of any race, far more than any other allied race for certain.

Alleria's transformation is foreshadowing that other elves can be caught up in that transformation process too.

I am speaking for myself and many other people. Everyone knows you love the Void Elves bub. I'm not getting into an argument about their legitimacy with you. A lot of people including me dislike them from a storytelling and/or world building perspective and that's that. I'm not criticizing you for liking them though!

Every race has lore potential. But generally speaking people are more interested in those that were either already around such as Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har Orcs, Kul Tirans, or "come out swinging" in the sense that the expansion they debut in features plenty of accompanying lore to indulge in, such as the Nightborne (shame about their pitiful customization options though) and Highmountain Tauren (lame that they're just Tauren with moose antlers).

[Alanar]

Opinion aint facts as much as some one believes they are-.-

But yes broken are way cooler in my opinion and I always thought Hm, lf and ve are all wasted slots. No one asked for those realy.. I mean Ogres, Vrykul and broken are all way cooler and have atleast SOME backstory to get invested in.

As in void elves dont need a back story to be interesting.. well idk how the fans are holding out, but we all know it lacks and we all know they were massive asspull. Guys the only realy reason why they worked is because they use the blood elves sillouette and because high elves, no other deep reason or argument. Just that its that simple. I mean if they ended up being called vegan elf or sparkle elf and the alliance would still get the blood elf model on the alliance we would still be here having the same conversation.

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I am speaking for myself and many other people. Everyone knows you love the Void Elves bub. I'm not getting into an argument about their legitimacy with you. A lot of people including me dislike them from a storytelling and/or world building perspective and that's that. I'm not criticizing you for liking them though!

Every race has lore potential. But generally speaking people are more interested in those that were either already around such as Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har Orcs, Kul Tirans, or "come out swinging" in the sense that the expansion they debut in features plenty of accompanying lore to indulge in, such as the Nightborne (shame about their pitiful customization options though) and Highmountain Tauren (lame that they're just Tauren with moose antlers).

I agree with this, I also like the races more with some backstory. If you got nothing.. how can you invest, I mean not every one is into rp and headcanon.

[melzas]

You couldn't explain how they are an "asspull", what happened to all that bravado? Pff, you're just like the rest. All you people can do is throw around buzzwords like "asspull", but when it comes to actually proving it, you chicken out.

I'm glad that you and your imaginary friends laugh at me, at least you are coping with the fact that I have Blizzard's support on my side, while you do not.

Maybe in 2021 one of you will finally be able to formulate a list of "arguments" as to why they are an "asspull", but I wouldn't bet on it. Until then, have a happy new year.

It's obvious why they are an asspull, it's been brought up multiple times even in this thread. It's obvious there is nothing that would convince a void elf fanboy that they are an asspull, so I'm not gonna bother.

But they are an asspull and everyone who isn't in denial knows it.

[FossilFree]

There's no fixing their introduction now, but I hope they will expand on the story with Locus Walker and the void ethereals that they just left us hanging on in Argus and with no further development in BFA.

[Ardenaso]

doesn't matter now whether you think that Void Elves are asspulls or not; we can all agree that they're your High Elves now; please keep it civil and let's move on instead on theorycrafting or other High Elf related topics

[Varodoc]

I am speaking for myself and many other people. Everyone knows you love the Void Elves bub. I'm not getting into an argument about their legitimacy with you. A lot of people including me dislike them from a storytelling and/or world building perspective and that's that. I'm not criticizing you for liking them though!

Every race has lore potential. But generally speaking people are more interested in those that were either already around such as Dark Iron Dwarves, Mag'har Orcs, Kul Tirans, or "come out swinging" in the sense that the expansion they debut in features plenty of accompanying lore to indulge in, such as the Nightborne (shame about their pitiful customization options though) and Highmountain Tauren (lame that they're just Tauren with moose antlers).

No, not every race has lore potential.

Pandaren have 0 lore potential, Gnomes have 0 lore potential, Vulpera have 0 lore potential.

Void elves and LF Draenei have the most lore potential.

It's obvious why they are an asspull, it's been brought up multiple times even in this thread. It's obvious there is nothing that would convince a void elf fanboy that they are an asspull, so I'm not gonna bother.

But they are an asspull and everyone who isn't in denial knows it.

Shh, don't try, too late. You missed your chance.

[melzas]

Shh, don't try, too late. You missed your chance.

Still in denial I see.

[Sagenod]

No, not every race has lore potential.

Pandaren have 0 lore potential, Gnomes have 0 lore potential, Vulpera have 0 lore potential.

Void elves and LF Draenei have the most lore potential.

Subjective take. Your opinion is none of my business. I mean it's a stupid one to have, but believe whatever you want to believe. It's clear to me that everything must fit within your very specific parameters for you to even discuss it i.e. Void Elves and Alleria Windrunner.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it here: Your inability to discuss anything other than the aforementioned race and character is tiresome. And considering how obstinate you are about it, no wonder you get banned every month. You lack perspective, friendo.

[Varodoc]

Subjective take. Your opinion is none of my business. I mean it's a stupid one to have, but believe whatever you want to believe. It's clear to me that everything must fit within your very specific parameters for you to even discuss it i.e. Void Elves and Alleria Windrunner.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it here: Your inability to discuss anything other than the aforementioned race and character is tiresome. And considering how obstinate you are about it, no wonder you get banned every month. You lack perspective, friendo.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Pandaren, gnomes, and vulpera have 10 fanboys in total, and 0 potential in the current storyline. There's a reason why Pandaren have been doing nothing since MOP. There is no interest for them, deal with it.

Also I have been banned only once in like 6 months, try again. And that wouldn't make me wrong anyway.

[Powerogue]

... In Quel'Thalas?

Magister Umbric and his followers were exiled because they were deemed a threat to the Sunwell. Since they wield the Void, this means that conflict arose only after the Sunwell was purified by the Light at the end of TBC.

Which means that, in Years 20-26, Umbric and his followers were in Quel'Thalas, studying the Void and doing their duty.

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Also, I still can't believe some people genuinely wanted playable Broken instead of Void elves. Like, look at this trash:

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/lwfvovy4fl661.png[IMG]

Sorry guys, but people want to play beautiful humanoid races, not ugly monsters. It's like that in 2020, it was like that in 2017, it was like that in 2004, and it will remain like that in 2030. That's why they went for Blood elves instead of Goblin or Ogres in TBC. Void elves were the right decision.

They probably would have looked cooler in their heritage armor. We've got a variety of pleasant and monstrous races, it keeps things diverse. I'm mostly just sad we left them there to clean up the mess. I headcanon that, since we removed the source of the void energy corrupting Mac'aree and it had the least demons, they used the portal network we set up to go live there while the leftover demons fought for dominance of the surface. Coming back later remains an option, we did it for the mag'har.

[Sagenod]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Pandaren, gnomes, and vulpera have 10 fanboys in total, and 0 potential in the current storyline. There's a reason why Pandaren have been doing nothing since MOP. There is no interest for them, deal with it.

Also I have been banned only once in like 6 months, try again. And that wouldn't make me wrong anyway.

Sure the Pandaren don't have much going on, I'm not arguing with that. However, you seem not to understand what potential means. Narrative potential is about what could happen, not what is happening right now. By your standard, Void Elves and Lightforged Draenei don't have the most potential because thus far the Light vs Void conflict doesn't have much sway in the Shadowlands. Of course that may change, which is why the two races have potential. And they have potential for the same reason that any other race does: Warcraft is still being written. Quit trying to state your opinions as fact, it's ugly.

As for the banning... I've seen that you've been banned enough to know that you have a problem engaging in discussion in a mature manner. I've always tried to approach what you say with an objective mindset, yet you don't afford me or anyone else the same respect. Your extremism in your viewpoints is childish and your unwillingness to discuss anything without your Void Elf/Alleria bias is frustrating. I will not take part in your argument.

[Varodoc]

Sure the Pandaren don't have much going on, I'm not arguing with that. However, you seem not to understand what potential means. Narrative potential is about what could happen, not what is happening right now. By your standard, Void Elves and Lightforged Draenei don't have the most potential because thus far the Light vs Void conflict doesn't have much sway in the Shadowlands. Of course that may change, which is why the two races have potential. And they have potential for the same reason that any other race does: Warcraft is still being written. Quit trying to state your opinions as fact, it's ugly.

As for the banning... I've seen that you've been banned enough to know that you have a problem engaging in discussion in a mature manner. I've always tried to approach what you say with an objective mindset, yet you don't afford me or anyone else the same respect. Your extremism in your viewpoints is childish and your unwillingness to discuss anything without your Void Elf/Alleria bias is frustrating. I will not take part in your argument.

I mean, Shadowlands is clearly a filler expansion before the main cosmic showdown though, so who cares. The Void elves have more potential than all of the Covenants combined, because they'll become irrelevant come the next expansion.

And No, someone being banned doesn't mean anything. It's not exactly a secret that mods on this forum are Horde-biased and aren't good at their job. But I can't even blame them, because they aren't getting paid at all. I wouldn't give a shit either if I were doing this for free.

[Frenchvince]

I'm one of those people who just need more "high elf" customization options for the void elves.

I need natural hair colors, more hairstyles (no tentacles) and / or an option that cancels or activates the tentacles and new jewelry.
Options shared with blood elves, ear sizes, eyebrow sizes, face / body tattoos and the choice of gold, silver and copper for jewelry.
I think Blizzard should be aware of this because these requests are often said on all forums or twitter for example.
All of these additions would make a lot of people very happy. <3

Hopefully the customization options for Allied Races will be announced at Blizzconline, it's soon.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I'm one of those people who just need more "high elf" customization options for the void elves.

I need natural hair colors, more hairstyles (no tentacles) and / or an option that cancels or activates the tentacles and new jewelry.
Options shared with blood elves, ear sizes, eyebrow sizes, face / body tattoos and the choice of gold, silver and copper for jewelry.
I think Blizzard should be aware of this because these requests are often said on all forums or twitter for example.
All of these additions would make a lot of people very happy. <3

Hopefully the customization options for Allied Races will be announced at Blizzconline, it's soon.

I wanna be optimist and think we are going to get AR customizations soon at Blizzconline, but I still think we might not get anything on that during SL :/

But I really wanna be wrong about that.