Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Alanar]

As far as hair colors go, Void Elves don't need much I think. I've shared this before, but it was something that was posted on the official forums that I think would basically answer most hair color requests for Void Elves, without just copying them from Blood Elves.



Yes, there's a shade of blonde there, but it's less Marilyn Monroe and more Everyday Joe. It's a darker beige rather than the sunny yellow platinum blondes of Blood Elves, and has a bit of an Ombré effect as it gets darker at the ends. The brown is dark and fairly plain but, along with the beige, I think they'd mollify the High Elf-stans as far as hair color goes. The Black and White are obvious choices that Void Elves should have had from the get go, and I doubt anyone would complain about an icy blue hair color as a Void Elf option. It answers requests for hair colors but still keeps them unique.

I do think Blood Elves need more options though. They didn't get nearly as comprehensive a pass as Humans and Night Elves did in my opinion. I also think it would be fair for Blood Elves to get some variants of Void Elf hairstyles like the one in my avatar since that's very popular. As a variant it could be smoother, with less curling, and/or mirrored so the drape of hair is over the other eye. There's lots of possibilities.

Yes, this is a very good approach imo, I even will say you are one of the few who cares for the actual theme of the void elves and not just want blood elves on the alliance.

The hair colors are slighty different and even that blonde color doesnt clash with the other elf race and fit them great.

I agree that blood elves need more, the 40 new options they gave us are realy just false adversiting and the count face 1 with beard 2 and face with1 with beard 2 already as 2 options.. well great Ofc we can all count like that, but in the end actual new options.. maybe 10.

The new options we got in general arent all that much to begin with.

[Traveler Voltin]

Void Elves did not get a "round of customization" yet. They got eyes like most races and allied races. They got skin tones shared from their parent race just like mechagnomes did. They did not get a customization pass yet, and implying they did is extremely disingenuous.

they got skin tones and eyes. yes that is more customization than they had when they got released. so yes it counts.
they shouldnt even gotten theirs early but fans would have whined.

[Kyriani]

they got skin tones and eyes. yes that is more customization than they had when they got released. so yes it counts.
they shouldnt even gotten theirs early but fans would have whined.

So by your logic Mechagnomes got their pass already too then? They got eyes and skin tones as well you know. What about Kul Tirans? They got eyes and their mustaches and beards separated into individual options.

I'm sorry, but no. The notion that Void Elves will see nothing added when allied races get their pass is absurd.

Nearly every core and allied race got eye options with SL launch. The skin inherited from Blood Elves does count as an advance preview of some of what's to come for Void Elves but can't possibly be considered the whole of the Void Elf customization pass, and it's laughable that you would even suggest such.

Void Elves are virtually guaranteed to get ear size options, more hair colors (maybe not the colors the High Elf-stans want), and more hairstyles when the allied race pass happens. If you think otherwise, I'd say that's highly unrealistic and you're probably going to be very disappointed when the allied race pass happens.

And if all it took was the fear of fans whining to get the skins early, what makes you think that same fear of whining wouldn't guarantee Blizzard gives Void Elves something when the actual allied race pass happens? Especially if it's stuff that takes the devs very little time or resources to add.

Some Blood Elf players are currently raging over their customization pass and how poorly it compares to other core races. They'd be going nuclear if all they got was eyes and skin colors. Void Elves are no different.

[Vaedan]

So by your logic Mechagnomes got their pass already too then? They got eyes and skin tones as well you know. What about Kul Tirans? They got eyes and their mustaches and beards separated into individual options.

I'm sorry, but no. The notion that Void Elves will see nothing added when allied races get their pass is absurd.

Nearly every core and allied race got eye options with SL launch. The skin inherited from Blood Elves does count as an advance preview of some of what's to come for Void Elves but can't possibly be considered the whole of the Void Elf customization pass, and it's laughable that you would even suggest such.

Void Elves are virtually guaranteed to get ear size options, more hair colors (maybe not the colors the High Elf-stans want), and more hairstyles when the allied race pass happens. If you think otherwise, I'd say that's highly unrealistic and you're probably going to be very disappointed when the allied race pass happens.

And if all it took was the fear of fans whining to get the skins early, what makes you think that same fear of whining wouldn't guarantee Blizzard gives Void Elves something when the actual allied race pass happens? Especially if it's stuff that takes the devs very little time or resources to add.

Some Blood Elf players are currently raging over their customization pass and how poorly it compares to other core races. They'd be going nuclear if all they got was eyes and skin colors. Void Elves are no different.

Some people are clearly living in denial. At first, it was denial of Alliance high elves, which transformed into denial of high elf customizations for void elves and now we have new meta, no customizations for void elves at all. There is no single reason why void elves or any other race should be denied more customizations at this point. Devs already said character customizations are ongoing feature they will keep adding in the future, so it is possible we'll see even more customizations on races like humans and night elves.

As for void elves, I agree with options you listed above. I'd welcome more astral-themed features, like hair textures which resembles their heritage armor wings/hawkstrider. If we ever get something like that, I'd gladly forget blonde hair color even exist.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Yes, this is a very good approach imo, I even will say you are one of the few who cares for the actual theme of the void elves and not just want blood elves on the alliance.

The hair colors are slighty different and even that blonde color doesnt clash with the other elf race and fit them great.

I agree that blood elves need more, the 40 new options they gave us are realy just false adversiting and the count face 1 with beard 2 and face with1 with beard 2 already as 2 options.. well great Ofc we can all count like that, but in the end actual new options.. maybe 10.

The new options we got in general arent all that much to begin with.

I think that black hair is truly a must for VE's since NPC's already have it; and white-ish like Alleria's Void Form should be highly possible. In terms of other options, I agree we should get ones that focus on fitting the VE aesthetic over than a HE one, but if they are a twoofer, all the better.

In very easily observable terms, Core Races got a minimum of 3 options per category in terms of geometry; some got a few more (up to 5 in some cases) and more categories than others. And BE's are indeed on the bottom in terms of new options overall, so I think everyone should be happy if BE's get some new options. But yeah, they are in the bottom.

That doesn't meant VE's shouldn't get any new options because "they got theirs already"

they got skin tones and eyes. yes that is more customization than they had when they got released. so yes it counts.
they shouldnt even gotten theirs early but fans would have whined.

As this one fails to realize; cause, again, and it has been said multiple times, VE's not only got only got reused BE assets, but only textures, NOT geometry. They got 2 unique eye colors, and guess what? several other AR got new eye colors/eye colors separate from face.

So we have people like Zanjin, wholeass pretending to be rational, asking for VE's to not get any new customization because "they already got theirs", which would literally have them with LESS category options than every other race -if we follow the pattern of at least 3 new options per new category that Core Races get.

Like how can you get so biased to not even see math?

[Ardenaso]

Whether Blood Elves should get more customization is immaterial to the concept that if all AR get updated customization options like the Core Races, so would Void Elves.

Like sure, you don't want Void Elves to resemble BE's any further, that's up to you, but why start to throw logic out of the window?

I didn't mean no more stuff for Void Elves; I just want the BE's to keep whatever the things left that make them unique now that the Alliance finally gets their High Elf fantasy now. I don't know what you mean by logic? Please pardon my reading comprehension today

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Even in that time, Alliance was dealing with enough problems on their own. Alliance completely lost Lordaeron, which was in hands of either Scourge, Forsaken or Scarlet Crusade. Gilneas was isolated since Second War. Stromgarde become overrun by Syndicate and destabilized. Alterac was run over ogres and Syndicate. Dalaran was in ruins, rebuilding itself while facing attacks from Scourge and the Horde (Forsaken). Kul Tiras was isolated. Dwarves of Aerie Peak and Ironforge faced their own internal problems with Dark Irons or frost trolls. Stormwind was on the opposite part of continent and was dealing with serious internal problems with its corrupted nobles and rising Defias brotherhood. As a faction, Alliance was pretty much destabilized in that period and definitely without resources to reach Quel'thalas and aid them. I also get that some humans were just bitter or straight up hostile towards elves because they left the Alliance first, declined help during Plaguing of Lordaeron (with the exception of small squad of priests present there).

I was thinking that in Vanilla we helped the Argent Crusade there and help thin out the Scourge in Eastern Plaguelands then the adventurers would also get some tasks from Bolvar to also help thin out the Scourge in Ghostlands. Or perhaps Elsharin and Vyrin and that rogue in the Cathedral would have asked for help too. If not a formal army then why not some more adventurers? Jorad Mace did it, and I'd think he did it on his own accord and not on the behalf of the Alliance.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I didn't mean no more stuff for Void Elves; I just want the BE's to keep whatever the things left that make them unique now that the Alliance finally gets their High Elf fantasy now. I don't know what you mean by logic? Please pardon my reading comprehension today

Oh don't worry, I was just pointing out the weird logic chain from what you replied

by that logic blood elves would have to get something too.

I'm just saying not because VE's get new stuff, so SHOULD Blood Elves, like they could get something derivative of it -kust like VE's got to share skin tones and some eye colors- But you seem to be of the opinion you want to keep the difference between VE and BE, thus I would assume you don't want to share any more assets between the two, right?

Like I don't think you can have it both ways; at most we could get new VE customization that doesn't overlap with anything BE's already have -more tentacles, more weird hair colors/styles, void stuff in general, etc) but BE's wouldn't get anything NEW exclusive to them.

Or you would be okay with a possible new customization for VE's -let's say tattoos- gets shared to BE's as well, kinda like skin tones did from BE ->VE?

[FossilFree]

I'd welcome more astral-themed features, like hair textures which resembles their heritage armor wings/hawkstrider.

Now that sounds like an awesome hair color!

[Vaedan]

Now that sounds like an awesome hair color!

Well, there is one thing I agree with horde blood elf purists. There need to be some distinction between blood elves and void elves and truth be told, void elves have more potential for that. I guess these people would complain that void elves have their own unique options while blood elves remain "vanilla tolkien elves" anyway.

[FossilFree]

Well, there is one thing I agree with horde blood elf purists. There need to be some distinction between blood elves and void elves and truth be told, void elves have more potential for that. I guess these people would complain that void elves have their own unique options while blood elves remain "vanilla tolkien elves" anyway.

Someone posted an idea for even more voidy customization options some time back, I thought those looked really cool! Almost like an Entropic Embrace all the time look.

[FlubberPuddy]

Some people are clearly living in denial. At first, it was denial of Alliance high elves, which transformed into denial of high elf customizations for void elves and now we have new meta, no customizations for void elves at all. There is no single reason why void elves or any other race should be denied more customizations at this point. Devs already said character customizations are ongoing feature they will keep adding in the future, so it is possible we'll see even more customizations on races like humans and night elves.

As for void elves, I agree with options you listed above. I'd welcome more astral-themed features, like hair textures which resembles their heritage armor wings/hawkstrider. If we ever get something like that, I'd gladly forget blonde hair color even exist.

Yeah I fully agree, with all of this.

Also the new approach of 'no customizations for void elves at all' is even more laughable.

Character customizations being an on-going feature guarantee that Void Elves will get broader hair color options aka not just grunge blues/purples/greens. Simply look at the Night Elves for this to be true.

Night Elves received receive a 'Blonde' hair color option from their new set. Yeah it's more autumn orange maybe, but it's basically the 'blonde' for NEs. They weren't beholden to blues/purples/greens like their original hair colors.

And sometimes just one option is enough

[Yavi Dawnsong]

If they add any, they should probably just add multiple hair colours for Void Elves since, and I say this with admittedly no actual game creation knowledge, it can't be that hard to add more if they can add at least one. I'll never understand why people are so against races getting more customisation, I assume it's just down to petty dislike or a WoW race or community. It would be nice to just have some new void options for people who like them as Void Elves and new blonde/brown/black options for people who like them as High Elves.

I understand people who like Void Elves campaigning against the addition of new High Elf options because they think that it will take the 'slots' for their void customisations, but the reality is that alot of people play Void Elves as they are the closest thing to High Elves we currently have available on the Alliance and it would be unfair to not cater to them as well.

At the end of the day, we all know that Void Elves were a roundabout way of adding High Elves, a long requested race, to the Alliance. But it's great that we can potentially get two race of options out of a single race's addition, and to snub players who enjoy them as an actual Void Elf or a stand in for a High Elf is petty at best.

Alot of the hostility about High Elf options seems to just boil down to a combination of; genuine concern over void options being overlooked, Blood Elves players feeling as if their race is being copy-pasted, and trolls (not the race) who are just out to stir up arguments because they don't like elves in general.

To the players concerned over a lack of new Void Elf options, it would be good to remember that Blizzard never said there was a limit of how much a race could be customised, surely having two different racial appearances is a good thing, since potentially it just means twice as much room for new options in the future. Void Elves really could walk away with the most customisation options of any race total.

In regards to Blood Elf players who are genuinly bothered by what they see as their race being copy-pasted, there probably isn't much that would persuade you otherwise except for the removal of the Blood Elven base model which obviously won't happen. However, it would be fair to remember that there were genuinely alot of High Elf fans who felt the same as you when they saw 'their race' being given to the Horde back in TBC.

As for trolls (not the race), everyone should just spend more time calling them out for their obvious anti-elf bias and stop arguing with each other, at the end of the day it's exactly what they want to see Void, High and Blood Elf fans at each other's throats constantly.

[FossilFree]

However, it would be fair to remember that there were genuinely alot of High Elf fans who felt the same as you when they saw 'their race' being given to the Horde back in TBC.

I actually felt this way during Legion with the Nightborne.

I remember thinking to myself, way before Allied Races were even announced (when I was doing the Suramar questline), "Ahh, finally they will give Alliance some regal-looking Night Elves! I can play an urban elf, not a wood elf, without being on Horde! I can't wait for these, obviously going to Alliance, elves to be made playable! Especially since they also added another zone with Highmountain Tauren, clearly that will be the one that is going to Horde!"

Then I was furious when I found out Horde was getting our Highborne Night Elves with new lore and a cool city. Even though we already had claim to them in Cataclysm with the Shen'dralar. But no, Horde must have all the stuff. Alliance will get something we came up with within a single patch, with no existing lore and barely any new lore. Horde gets two whole zones and the new elves, plus all the lore attached to them and HMT. The worst part of it all, the Horde didn't even want or like the Nightborne and still don't to this day, with hardly anyone playing them.

[Alanar]

Well, there is one thing I agree with horde blood elf purists. There need to be some distinction between blood elves and void elves and truth be told, void elves have more potential for that. I guess these people would complain that void elves have their own unique options while blood elves remain "vanilla tolkien elves" anyway.

And thats fine, but only a handfull here cares for the void elf theme. I am on board and leaving the blood elves to the tolkien theme and expand on what is there. Qual' Thalas updated, expsnd their story and leave the void elves out of that.
While we are at it, let the void elves have their own story.

Seperate them more is my opinion. I rather have boring tolkien elves then them trying to push the void elves in blood elf lands for example.

It would serve nothing and would only enhance the blood elf story if they kept their story so close. Alleria made her point and doesnt realy need to come back, there is no one in silvermoon who would care or even missed her to begin with, stating otherwise is headcanon. Anyway, I am gonna say they both deserve their own narratives, blood elves more then void elves tho, but thats an opinion.

[Varodoc]

Void elves: Are the most played Allied Race by far.

Some people on MMO-Champion: Oh I know what Blizzard should do, they shouldn't give any new customization options to Void elves, because they don't deserve them!

When I tell you that some people around here need to go out more and get in touch with reality, I mean it, because some around here are so bad at understanding how human logic works.

[Yarathir]

Void elves: Are the most played Allied Race by far.

Some people on MMO-Champion: Oh I know what Blizzard should do, they shouldn't give any new customization options to Void elves, because they don't deserve them!

When I tell you that some people around here need to go out more and get in touch with reality, I mean it, because some around here are so bad at understanding how human logic works.

Some people are just very spiteful. This group also seems to overlap with the group that thinks Blood Elves should've gotten the most customization and are borderline offended that some races got more.

[Varodoc]

Some people are just very spiteful. This group also seems to overlap with the group that thinks Blood Elves should've gotten the most customization and are borderline offended that some races got more.

And as I also said earlier, only WoW nerds could get spiteful over additional pixel customizations.

These people who complain probably don't even play elves LOLOL, they all have troll or orc avatars.

[ravenmoon]

Exactly.. sadly Tanaria doesn't like the idea of Silvermoon and Suramar going to the alliance, so obviously this is a problem for her, but then, this thread became this thread because people like her didn't like the idea of high elves becoming playable on the alliance, and moaned about the high elf threads that were being created, which is why we got this one, and now on this one they don't want us talking about high elf stuff going to the alliance.

So they want to talk about high elves and blood elves, Nightborne etc, but don't want to talk about them returning to the alliance, what that would mean, and how that might change or effect the game and what would need to be in place to make it work very well. See what's going on?

Want to guess why they say things like that? It's simple, they don't like the idea. not because it's wrong or bad, or in violation, they don't like it so they come up with all sorts of rubbish b/s nonsense to end the conversation. Fortunately, posters like yourself and myself aren't buying it. And we don't really care if they have a problem with it and were not afraid to tell them so.

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All this verbosity and you can't even address the fact that Blood Elves have been part of the Horde for 14 years, against the 2 they were not on it in WoW.

Your premise is based on a flawed and inaccurate perception of faction identity, you saw the problem of Blizzard trying to force dichotomous aesthetic identity between factions -which was dumb on the first place- and decided that the solution is to double down on that nonsense, and determine what aesthetics and themes "belong" to which faction.

Again, your premise is based around the idea that blood elves and Nightborne identity -elven themes- are alliance themes. That's just not accurate to put it mildly. Your whole argument starts with a supposition, one that you are doing zero work to even build and just pretend everyone follow along because you think it's true.

With little evidence, go on claiming that the alliance is more excited about Night Elves and high elves rather than any other races, and at this point is just clear you just want more elven thematic predominance on the Alliance.

This is all about what you want and you keep wasting everyone's time by making these long ass responses -you wanna tire people out? Because you are not doing it for clarity's sake, circling around the same poor arguments over and over- Cause again, it seems that you can't accept that "elven" themes don't belong to either faction, and instead -without making a compelling argument- claim they belong to the alliance.

All of that, because for all you dislike that there are so many elven themes on the Horde, you agree with Blizzard's nonsense of enforcing aesthetic differences between factions over the very lore they have written.

And to top it all, fail to see any nuance to what "elven" themes even are, when it's pretty clear alliance elves and horde elves have distinct identities.

Just say you are salty because the Horde has the fanciest elves and the Alliance doesn't and go.

And you know, what irks me the most about your endless argumentation is that's just a selfish and shallow want that you keep trying to "justify", when it would be far more sympathetic if you were honest about it and asked for fancier elves on the alliance -such a Highborne- instead of being an ass and trying to tell people elven identities don't belong on the Horde -you know, where they have been for the last decade and a half?-

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Yet there's a serious overlap now, so BE and Worgen are not the exception anymore with more AR further blurring the perceived dichotomy. Of course there are some themes that feel wholly Horde/Alliance -mostly related to orcs and humans, and it makes sense- but there's clearly more of an spectrum of identities/themes regarding to faction rather than a dichotomous binary.

And even while I don't think that -perhaps humans and orcs- any race's themes belong to either faction, the Fancy Elf theme has always been more of a Horde thing holistically, High Elves in War2, and later Night Elves, were always framed as closer to nature, while the Horde's elves are definitely the aspects of their cultures that are more sumptuous and elegant.

@ravenmoon keeps claiming elven themes belong to the alliance, when he fails to even address this difference and instead tries to group all the "elven themes" as one thing, when the differences between, say, Night Elves and Nightborne is self evident. So while Elves were part of the alliance first, the Fancy and Elegant Elf was never a theme specific to the alliance as it is to the Horde.

Which IMO? Kinda moot, because I don't even agree we need strongly enforced thematic and aesthetic dichotomy for every racial group-but if you are going to use it as an argument, you gotta put all the facts on the table

A whole load of eloquent nonsense. You totally miss what I'm trying to say, why I am saying, and what I am basing it on. Why? Because you are not reading what I'm saying properly.

Blizzard wants the to keep the core of their franchise based on the alliance and horde faction in the original vein that captures the heart or preservers the core of the franchise. To that end, my "doubling" down is EXACTLY what achieves this.

You failed to pick up me saying numerous times, that there are other things they could do, and still do, but if they want to do what they claim they want to do, this will give them the best shot at it.

You have yet to make a convincing or compelling argument as to why it won't work, or why it's a bad idea. Saying that the fancy elf thing has always been a horde thing is so silly when the elves themselves are alliance themed through and through and all those "fancy "elements are alliance based and themed. It doesn't matter if there presentation in game has been longer on the horde, that's irrelevant, they are still alliance themed, and based. The alliance is based on that very thing.

As long as they continue like that they will always be the expression of the alliance on the horde. And if you can't see how this is problematic to the "core of Warcraft" and the faction dichotomy they so want to preserve, then you're not as smart as you appear to be.

I just suspect you don't like the idea, or maybe it's me you don't like, so you are one of these people that will disagree with whatever the people you hate or dislike say, no matter what it is, no matter how much sense it makes or even if it was a truth your very life depended on - because you've spent too long holding grudges, having internet arguments and are petty that way.

I sincerely hope you are not one of those and that suspicion is wrong. However it's hard to think that because you're against everything I say - and don't seem to be understanding it correctly - which I suspect is not because you are not capable, but because you don't care to be, and just don't like it.

@ravenmoon keeps claiming elven themes belong to the alliance, when he fails to even address this difference and instead tries to group all the "elven themes" as one thing, when the differences between, say, Night Elves and Nightborne is self evident. So while Elves were part of the alliance first, the Fancy and Elegant Elf was never a theme specific to the alliance as it is to the Horde.

Which IMO? Kinda moot, because I don't even agree we need strongly enforced thematic and aesthetic dichotomy for every racial group-but if you are going to use it as an argument, you gotta put all the facts on the table

Sigh, I'm going to try and explain this again. it doesn't matter who was in the alliance first or not, elves and humans in Warcraft have been around a lot longer than the alliance. The alliance is built on and represents the things elves and humans have in common and are about. that's why I used the term alliance themed or alliance based.

Whether it's the night elf pre-sundering civilization that all Highborne and Nightborne are based on, or the high elf kingdom, or the human nations, or Dalaran. that's alliance core..
now in time we've see other new and unique things added to the alliance, the long vigil druidic side of the night elves doesn't fit that mould, but it was added to the alliance and could have been it's own unique faction, even though the pre-sundering civilization fits the alliance mould, but variations are acceptable, it's even acceptable to have the orcs on the alliance or the humans and elves on the horde - however if you want the "core" of Warcraft, to be maintained or enforced, you shouldn't. Also if you want the alliance to be popular again, you wanna look at returning the high elves and the Night elves sitting on the horde back to them.

And in case you don't understand what I mean by that statement.. i mean REMOVE FROM THE BLOOD ELVES AND THE NIGHTBORNE EVERYTHING THAT IS HIGH ELVEN AND NIGHT ELVEN BASED - I.E. CIVILIZATION, CULTURE,, CHARACTER ETC anything that looks like or is based on alliance or is alliance themed.

You must do a similar thing to what they did to the undead humans, become something new, something very different. The naga are an example of this, as are the San'layn, the Pandaren, the Venthyr - these are things that are don't feel alliance nor are they based on alliance. Sure they have similarities but they're different enough - do this and the factions will feel different and unique they would have their core elements on their respective factions only, rather than having some of the alliance core elements on the horde like we do now in what the blood elves and Nightborne are. They can then add unique elements like the Pandaren, the Long vigil night elf society, the Forsaken etc, to each faction without creating a same feel or having too much the same on both factions.

What you don't seem to be getting is that it's blizzard that want this original core of Warcraft maintained. I've supported removing the factions, or removing faction restrictions form players because as things are in wow, factions do not make sense. one of the reasons this is is because the horde basically has strong alliance elements in it via the Blood elves and the Nightborne, in fact the best presentation of alliance themes exists on the horde in the blood elves and Nightborne - how can you do something like that and expect the alliance not to keep losing numbers and drawn over to the horde. While for sure it's not the only reason, it's the biggest one. if you like alliance whether in the past or the things the races stand for, you jump on the horde and you see a better version of it in the blood elves and the Nightborne like Thalyssra - i mean, you're just asking those alliance types to pick horde over it, and you're also making factions less relevant or meaningful because you got alliance on both, and they're now a lot more similar than different - what's the point??

This is why horde has identity issues, half the players expect it to be the alliance thanks to the blood elves (high elves) and the Nightborne (Highborne Night elves), and it's writers are torn, it has no cohesion or unity like it did in classic and before.. and this has nothing to do with visuals.. they could have done a beautiful or sexy/hot honour bound race, majestic and advanced that had nothing to do with the alliance or it's values, themes and concepts, or at least far less.. but they picked an alliance race.. i.e the blood elves/high elves to fix the horde popularity problem but then insist on sticking to the original core of Warcraft when they're maintaining those elves in their very alliance centred high elven and night elven civilization ways.

Change it... take the high elf and night elven pre-sundering stuff on the horde back to the alliance where it belongs and where the alliance is based on and develop remaining blood elves and Nightborne into something else, you'll fix the problem.

Alliance will get high elves, and get a pre-sundering night elf Highborne civilization (i.e. the height of the night elves) in addition to its void elves, and druidic/priest kaldorei - but this is fine, elves are an alliance centre race, you can have 4 human groups and4 elven groups on the alliance, just like you can have 5 troll groups and 6 orc clans too on the horde because orcs are horde. or 4 Tauren ones (Mulgore, Taunka, Yaungol, Highmountain), I see no problems with high elves, void elves, night elves and Highborne night elves on the alliance. With that stuff gone, the blood elves can rebuild elsewhere, so to the remaining Nightborne who don't return to being Highborne night elf types, and be developed into something unique.

Alliance get their high elves, their night elven civilization [Highborne society] along with their void elves and remaining priest, druid, demon hunter night elven sects and all that elf stuff associated with the alliance can be on the alliance, while the blood elves and Nightborne become something different -and unique - not alliance based, not alliance themed and not alliance styled - whether in character, culture, civilization or aesthetics, architecture and appearance. They keep the blood elf model (the Nightborne is already unique - Nightborne who became Highborne would gain night elven models,) only the blood elves will look like High elves, but the blood elf development will get new features, cool ones, that players can add as customisations (optional ofc), but they'd be cool, to entice players to change their blood elf appearances and prefer the new horde development that the alliance high elves won't get, leaving the alliance ones to the generic high elf - this is how you'd do it for model options. The horde won't lose the ability to roll blood elves, those who like their blood elf as is now will continue to be able to choose those appearances, it's just that the blood elves will no longer have high elf stuff nor be behaving or operating as high elves anymore.

This I believe will go a long way to fixing it.

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Yes, this is a very good approach imo, I even will say you are one of the few who cares for the actual theme of the void elves and not just want blood elves on the alliance.

The hair colors are slighty different and even that blonde color doesnt clash with the other elf race and fit them great.

I agree that blood elves need more, the 40 new options they gave us are realy just false adversiting and the count face 1 with beard 2 and face with1 with beard 2 already as 2 options.. well great Ofc we can all count like that, but in the end actual new options.. maybe 10.

The new options we got in general arent all that much to begin with.

You mean it's great if it is not high elves, these people want highe lves too.

however, yes, those hair themes are appropriate for void touched void elves. However if you're giving void elves high elf skin tones, you might as well give them all the hair colours too, because we do have high and blood elves that have joined the ren'dorei and have not been touched by the void physically.

So it's not that people who suggest high elf hair colours don't understand void elves, they want high elves, even if those high elves are high elves who've joined the void elves and are playable that way. That's why this is the High elf thread, not the Void elf thread.

I do like @Kyriani 's suggestions though, I would love them for void elves and I think blizzard should focus on giving more void elf themed options and rather than give the full blood elf range of hair colours, just give a few, with some slightly different ones to represent high elves. I have no interest in playing high elves, but I like them and I feel they should be available on the alliance and in fact more prevalent on the alliance than the horde, and that includes Silvermoon and Quel'thalas.

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Honestly, as long as you keep saying "elves are alliance themed" as it makes any sense, this is just pointless. I really think we can't have a productive discussion when I simply wholly dismiss that premise.

EDIT: Honestly, just yeeted a whole wank about the "alliance are elves themed" and forced faction dichotomy because that's just such a huge nonsense and worse, has little to do with the conversation about High Elves

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sigh, bring back Obelisk Kai