Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Eleann]

So we need to change things because?

Sorry, who is this directed to? If it's for me my stance is on hairstyles and some colours for Void elves to achieve the High elf look. Also, I suggested that for fairness Blood elves should also get Dark ranger/Sun'Layn looks at some point to get that badass theme added to them for some distinction. And Void elves and Night elves deserve a nice city, maybe Telogrus/Allerian Stronghold for Velfs, and a city for Night elves since theirs got burnt. It does not matter to me where exactly this city will be, as long as it looks good

[Alanar]

Sorry, who is this directed to? If it's for me my stance is on hairstyles and some colours for Void elves to achieve the High elf look. Also, I suggested that for fairness Blood elves should also get Dark ranger/Sun'Layn looks at some point to get that badass theme added to them for some distinction. And Void elves and Night elves deserve a nice city, maybe Telogrus/Allerian Stronghold for Velfs, and a city for Night elves since theirs got burnt. It does not matter to me where exactly this city will be, as long as it looks good

Nah, wasnt for you at all.

The good part is that you are open to other options, that is good and then it feels good to talk about it.

I am actually on the side of NOT giving void elves everything the blood elves have purely for the high elf boner. I like some things to be exclusive and there is not much that sets them apart so I think the blonde hair color should be blood elf only.
For void elves I already solved the issue couple pages ago for wanting to look like alleria( which is the only thing I see and read everywhere) is to work with ash colors. Blacks, white etc. They dont have that color available and with this you solve the 2 discussions in 1. Change alleria hair color to white, wich matches her void form and now players can look like her, without giving them a literal blood elf 2.0.

[Eleann]

I am actually on the side of NOT giving void elves everything the blood elves have purely for the high elf boner. I like some things to be exclusive and there is not much that sets them apart so I think the blonde hair color should be blood elf only.
For void elves I already solved the issue couple pages ago for wanting to look like alleria( which is the only thing I see and read everywhere) is to work with ash colors. Blacks, white etc. They dont have that color available and with this you solve the 2 discussions in 1. Change alleria hair color to white, wich matches her void form and now players can look like her, without giving them a literal blood elf 2.0.

It is a start. I'll tell you my story though. I never even thought of High elves until the light skin colours came out. I was content. But once they came out, something snapped in me. It was blatantly obvious that matching hair colours and some more hairstyles should have been added, but were not. I felt like we were just left with a half job, and many feel that way about Velfs. White and Black are an alright start. How about Ash Blonde though? A different shade than the one Belfs have. Or a Kul'tiran blonde. Or, as I suggested and I think is really really cool and unique, a blonde with two thick dark blue highlights that have a shine in them like that of the Starcursed Voidseeker's wings. We do not need as many blondes as Blood elves have (four atm). I am only advocating for a single blonde. The rest will be a White, a Black and a Pink. That's all.

If I was you though, I would try to sympathize a bit with those who advocate for High elves. It took Blizzard around 10 years just to give them a blueberry model (nothing like a High elf frankly). They got skins only 3.5 years later but still no hair in the horizon lol. We are being overshadowed by all the Nightborne requests, which is fair, but it also indicates that we may be forgotten, and that is why I try to fight for this.

[ravenmoon]

It is a start. I'll tell you my story though. I never even thought of High elves until the light skin colours came out. I was content. But once they came out, something snapped in me. It was blatantly obvious that matching hair colours and some more hairstyles should have been added, but were not. I felt like we were just left with a half job, and many feel that way about Velfs. White and Black are an alright start. How about Ash Blonde though? A different shade than the one Belfs have. Or a Kul'tiran blonde. Or, as I suggested and I think is really really cool and unique, a blonde with two thick dark blue highlights that have a shine in them like that of the Starcursed Voidseeker's wings. We do not need as many blondes as Blood elves have (four atm). I am only advocating for a single blonde. The rest will be a White, a Black and a Pink. That's all.

If I was you though, I would try to sympathize a bit with those who advocate for High elves. It took Blizzard around 10 years just to give them a blueberry model (nothing like a High elf frankly). They got skins only 3.5 years later but still no hair in the horizon lol. We are being overshadowed by all the Nightborne requests, which is fair, but it also indicates that we may be forgotten, and that is why I try to fight for this.

You don't have to justify yourself.. you also don't need to adjust your desires to placate people who clearly don't want and never wanted anything high elven to be playable on the alliance.

Don't start limiting yourself to just one hair colour or whatever just to make them happy. Look at them, they're ganging up on you and every alliance player that is suggesting anything in favour of more high elf stuff.

They've constantly been against it from the start, and only had to accept the possibility because blizzard actually introduced the skin tones.

If blizzard hadn't, they'd still be heavily opposing any suggestion that void elves get pale skin tones or high elves be playable.. Trust me, they are not on your side.. they are advocating what they like - which is no high elf options for the alliance, why should you have to alter your desires to make them happy or placate them?

you have a right to desire what you want, and if they can't handle it or don't like it that's their business. Say what you like - your desires may never be implemented, but that's not the point, I don't agree with subtle bullying and making others feel like they have no right to desire what they desire, because somebody else doesn't like it, so he tries to trivialise and minimise their desires, they have no right, they aren't developers and don't determine what happens, they're just their to sway your opinion and discourage you from making your voice heard.. because they know if alliance fans keep desiring this, blizzard would realise it is quite a popular and significant desire.

I've been where you have, changing my opinions and desires, changing the things I requested to try and appeal to them and appease them so I'd sound more reasonable to them and they'd agree - oh no, these ones never will, trust me, they don't want you having high elves in any shape form possible - and it's because they want their cake and eat it. It's not to preserve the horde or horde distinctiveness, that's just a lie, horde distinctiveness is broken by the blood elves being their in such a high elf way in the first place. No the real motive is that they've enjoyed being better than the alliance.. they view the blood elves on the horde as a stick it to the alliance, "we've got prettier humans, prettier cities, prettier magic" all the things you want, we have it and have it better, stick it to you, we're better.

that's it. That's what is behind all of this. You cannot be allowed to have high elves, because the horde has blood elves and would not be superior if you had them also. There is not a single desire to fix game imbalances, or dwindling alliance numbers, they don't care if every alliance member goes horde, they'd actually be happy, feeling they've won, nevermind the game will be broken, never mind the horde will be full of alliance elven toons,

And who are they? A very small minority of horde players. Yes very small.

Most wow players don't care about things like this, they just have a toon to play, and enjoy the content, it's about dungeons, raids, and friends, not about whether the alliance has this territory or that. But these ones are the fans that care about such things, they spend hours weekly, as much time if not more on the forums than they do playing, they are the type that love telling people what tod o do, how to think, and showing off their knowledge. They are quick to correct you and prove their intellectual superiority, and every thing you say and think must be vetted by them,. If you don't meet their approval, they will cancel you , turn against you if yous ay anything or ask for anything they don't like or wish for, and their group will gang up on you.

Things you are not allowed to have.

1. Alliance is not allowed to have High elves at all - they actually want high elves removed permanently
2. Alliance is not allowed kaldorei civilization at all, - now they've seen it, and the Nightborne went horde, it is exactly the same thing
3. Alliance is not supposed to be best at arcane magic. now they have high elves on the horde, they feel the horde also owns this now.

The horde owns everything, they want it that way, not because this is good, or it's the horde's right, but because they've picked the horde, and the horde is there's now. therefore it must have everything and be the best at everything.

Why do you think it's problematic when I point out that it is not good for the horde to do the alliance better than the alliance.. how can the horde have the best warrior race, the best magical race, the best everything at everything? have the best of the alliance and the best of the horde? Why? The devs may have made that possible in 2006 by sending the high elves over, but it was purely to increase horde numbers, it's not necessary now that the horde is popular so why keep this? But everything i say is just labelled insane, delusional, even though it makes perfect sense. Why? Ask yourself why.. because I have a point, and it makes sense, and it would prove and potentially could lead to them losing that.

Ask yourself what is so bad about the horde losing the high elf aspects so entrenched in the blood elves? it's not losing the blood elves.. even you thought i meant the horde should lose the blood elves, though i never said or even implied it, but they were happy to make it sound like I did. Off course the horde won't suffer if the blood elves stopped behaving like high elves and lost high elf stuff, or the Nightborne stopped behaving like Night elves and lost night elf civilization stuff.. off course not, made all the easier if the Nightborne in Suramar turned into night elves and the blood elves in Silvermoon chose to become high elves again and turn their back on the horde. Leaving those who choose to stay Nightborne and blood elves to distance and reject that high elven and kaldorei cultures of the high elves and night elves in Quel'thalas and Suramar allowing them to be something else.

how is the horde broken when blood elves will still be playable and Nightborne, and you have 10 other horde races too.. why do people like Alanar and Thunder make it sound like the horde would be destroyed? Ofc it won't, and if they followed my logic it's clear that this is highly unlikely to damage the horde but instead help it, but nope, they'd just simply call it crazy, ignore it, and bank on people not actually reading what I've said and thinking for themselves

Because they don't want you having high elves or anything close, never have, and they will fight and argue against every change at every step. If it looks like you will get the whole high elf deal, they'd feign compromise and claim to be okay with you just getting a skin tone, but not the hair.. it will never stop, because this is not about logic. it's not about what's best, it's not about what you want or what you 'd like. They don't want you to have it, and they'll say and type anything to that effect

Don't try to appease them. Post what you want, and defend your right to desire what you desire.

[Eleann]

You don't have to justify yourself.. you also don't need to adjust your desires to placate people who clearly don't want and never wanted anything high elven to be playable on the alliance.

@ravenmoon You are right in many aspects. They would not like to admit it but your words ring true for much of the Horde population who actually cares about aesthetics and lore. But the point is not to keep fighting them. In fact, I really think we need the support of the Horde in achieving what we want. Because the Horde has a lot more active population than the Alliance, and because some of our fellow allies simply do not care enough to fight for this. Do you think there are many girls left in the Alliance who really care about aesthetics? Most of them have just switched to Horde because they do not care about allegiance, but looks, and the Horde had them much, much better for 14 years because of Blood elves. I keep trying and trying, I have posted on the EU forums, on Twitter, on here, I even tried to get in touch with Ion. But I do not seem to have much influence. Because, I will repeat, most of the darn active playerbase is actually Horde asking for Nightborne. Streamers, artists, the devs themselves are all just playing Horde and just care for the Horde.

[Alanar]

It is a start. I'll tell you my story though. I never even thought of High elves until the light skin colours came out. I was content. But once they came out, something snapped in me. It was blatantly obvious that matching hair colours and some more hairstyles should have been added, but were not. I felt like we were just left with a half job, and many feel that way about Velfs. White and Black are an alright start. How about Ash Blonde though? A different shade than the one Belfs have. Or a Kul'tiran blonde. Or, as I suggested and I think is really really cool and unique, a blonde with two thick dark blue highlights that have a shine in them like that of the Starcursed Voidseeker's wings. We do not need as many blondes as Blood elves have (four atm). I am only advocating for a single blonde. The rest will be a White, a Black and a Pink. That's all.

I could get behind the double colors and a darker shade which would be like a dirty blonde with void stripes for example. I could imagine void elf fans would feel little bit more connected to Alleria, cus right now she doesn't even look like one. Good suggestion imo.

If I was you though, I would try to sympathize a bit with those who advocate for High elves. It took Blizzard around 10 years just to give them a blueberry model (nothing like a High elf frankly). They got skins only 3.5 years later but still no hair in the horizon lol. We are being overshadowed by all the Nightborne requests, which is fair, but it also indicates that we may be forgotten, and that is why I try to fight for this.

Well, we are past that for a long time now .. the thing is that the high elf fans should be great full that they got a blood elf model copy in the first place. for a damn long time, they denied the alliance them, because we already have them playable. It's a never ending discussion,but they could have gone with blue eyes for blood elves and NOT add void elves. Imagine what other cool race options they could have used. The story has 2 sides as you can see. The problem was that it just turned out to be that it was pure salt all those years, just because they went red and not blue back in 2007. You could say let it rest, but we are still here after they almost got a literal copy and still not happy, because reasons. This thread has been going on for a while you see..

I have seen a few Nightborne threads and I understand your worry, but weren't the void elves like the only allied race besides obvious eye colors across the board, who actually got like skincolors? I see your point, but no real fight there cus lets be honest Nightborne 3 skin colors vs void elves 10+? Allied races will get their love eventually, but besides humans and night elves and maybe orcs none realy got alot of new options. It realy was a let down for everyone.

More options the better, but keep races exclusive and a reason to roll a certain race. I already had a hard time on pandas being completely the same on both sides. Luckily blizz didn't like it either, but blood elves/void elves come do damn close this way.. Nightborne and night elves, have a few things that sets them apart, but that is why I clash with the likes of mace and ravenmoon, because they kept suggesting the nightborne npc options as highborne/night elf options(glowing arcane hands, arcane hair) those are Nightborne only. That is not how it should work imo and comes across as greedy and stealing basically. On top of that, they hardly or kinda never change their views, meaning any other option or idea some one would bring fourth about their elves, would get shut down instantly. Sad for newcomers and annoying for any one else that want to join the conversation. There is no discussion then, simple.

[Tanaria]

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The difference between you and Eleann is that she is quite open to having a discussion about what Void Elves can have, where they, the High Elves and Night Elves, can go in the future and be open for changes that don't fit her view.

For example:
She doesn't really like my idea of the Void Elves rebuilding Zin-Azshari into their own city. She accepts it can work, but it's not really the direction she'd want Blizzard to take. To be honest, this whole idea comes if Blizzard just wanted to focus on the Void Elves and convert the majority of the High Elves into Void Elves. This delves more into the Void Elves being a pure Mage/Warlock/Shadow Priest race.
The idea of them being masters of the Void and Arcane, which could make Zin-Azshari a perfect location...especially it being the home of their ancestors.

But even I have to admit, Void Elves and High Elves claiming and expanding the Allerian Stronghold into their own city is a far more interesting idea and perhaps claiming the Firewing Point, so they can still get that Thalassian Architecture but it's colour scheme is changed to purple, blue and gold is far more interesting. Plus Alleria/Auric reunion.

Or building their own void-thalassian city in Telogrus. Yes, Blood Elven Scholars might appear in the city, but the rule of law would be under the Ren'dorei.

She's not "my idea is the only idea that works for the best. Yours are alright, but mine are the only ones that work." That's arrogance.

[Alanar]

The difference between you and Eleann is that she is quite open to having a discussion about what Void Elves can have, where they, the High Elves and Night Elves, can go in the future and be open for changes that don't fit her view.

For example:
She doesn't really like my idea of the Void Elves rebuilding Zin-Azshari into their own city. She accepts it can work, but it's not really the direction she'd want Blizzard to take. To be honest, this whole idea comes if Blizzard just wanted to focus on the Void Elves and convert the majority of the High Elves into Void Elves. This delves more into the Void Elves being a pure Mage/Warlock/Shadow Priest race.
The idea of them being masters of the Void and Arcane, which could make Zin-Azshari a perfect location...especially it being the home of their ancestors.

But even I have to admit, Void Elves and High Elves claiming and expanding the Allerian Stronghold into their own city is a far more interesting idea and perhaps claiming the Firewing Point, so they can still get that Thalassian Architecture but it's colour scheme is changed to purple, blue and gold is far more interesting. Plus Alleria/Auric reunion.

Or building their own void-thalassian city in Telogrus. Yes, Blood Elven Scholars might appear in the city, but the rule of law would be under the Ren'dorei.

She's not "my idea is the only idea that works for the best. Yours are alright, but mine are the only ones that work." That's arrogance.

Next to Hyjal and Darkshore settlements for Night elves, I never seen this suggestion. I have to admit, that could totally work. Thinking of granting access, how is your view if any one these void/high elves question the sunwell or that whole area?

[Valandale]

I really like the idea of the Allerian Stronghold city expansion but I don't know if it works mostly because BFA has shown that Outland is still disintegrating (the Saurfang thrall cinematic, though this may have been just Nagrand crumbling since that was the most unstable outside of Hellfire and Shadowmoon). Now, because the Void Elves have the whole Telogrus Rift experience, they might be able to make something out of it, or find a way to hold at least Terrokar together, that'd be a cool thing for them to do to show the void can be used for good. If Outland is gone/too unstable, they should rebuild somewhere on Azeroth, heck they could work on the tainted forest or one of the island expeditions, since so many of those islands seem to be empty except for pillaging warbands of npc factions and basic wildlife. Telogrus itself seems like a great study the void location, not the best to make a civil settlement out of. It would make a cool starter zone though, doing research on the void and learning how to use it and then coming out of the rift to a void elf city showing how the chaos you saw in the starter has been harnessed into something good.

[Kyriani]

Personally, I'd just like to see Telogrus grow into something... anything... more than it is currently. I don't want it to stay as just a few tents on some floating rocks. If the next expansion is Void centered (or Void vs Light), I'd like to see the Alliance main hub for that expansion to be a Ren'dorei styled floating fortress and the Horde main hub to be a Shal'dorei (i.e. Suramar) styled floating fortress.

I would imagine Ren'dorei architecture being in a style similar to their heritage armor. Lot's of gold, purple, and blue-black void glow as far as colors. An evolution of the current Blood Elf/High Elf architecture that has more sharp points (like the heritage shoulders) and more spiraling accents (akin to tentacles), and void gemstones (again like the heritage armor has in the belt, boots, and gloves).

Since we already have Suramar as a reference, the Horde having their own flying fortress in that style is easy to picture and would be a nice step away from the primitive mud huts, metal spikes, and all that red and black that typically dominates horde hubs. I've gotta say I was really disappointed with the Horde Garrison compared to the Alliance one in WoD. I think it's perfectly fine for the Horde to have a pristine modern magical fortress rather than something that looks like a bunch of cave dwellers built it.

In the case of my hypothetical Ren'dorei fortress, Telogrus could be the launching point for it, and the opening scenario for the expansion could see Alliance players of all races allowed to visit the rift to board the flying fortress into the Void. It would work in much the same way that Horde got to visit the Exodar to board the Vindicaar, or non-DK's got to visit Acherus in the Shadowlands intro.

[Eleann]

Personally, I'd just like to see Telogrus grow into something... anything... more than it is currently. I don't want it to stay as just a few tents on some floating rocks. If the next expansion is Void centered (or Void vs Light), I'd like to see the Alliance main hub for that expansion to be a Ren'dorei styled floating fortress and the Horde main hub to be a Shal'dorei (i.e. Suramar) styled floating fortress.
In the case of my hypothetical Ren'dorei fortress, Telogrus could be the launching point for it, and the opening scenario for the expansion could see Alliance players of all races allowed to visit the rift to board the flying fortress into the Void. It would work in much the same way that Horde got to visit the Exodar to board the Vindicaar, or non-DK's got to visit Acherus in the Shadowlands intro.

That's an amazing idea! I love it! I was also suggesting in some of my previous posts that Telogrus is transformed into a fully functioning city, with dark blue, gold, and purple decor, several towers spiraling upwards, giving it an almost or even actual feel of floating. The Alliance and Horde receiving their own floating fortress for the next expansion would also be amazing.

What is your take on Void Elf hairstyles and colours? For hairstyles I was suggesting a long straight for males and females with a side braid running along the back, and a loose braid resting on the back as well for females. For hair colours we were thinking white, an ash blonde or a voidy blonde (with two dark blue shiny highlights on it resembling the wings of the Starcursed Voidseeker), black, and maybe a cute pastel pink with pink tentacles toggle on/off? The white and blonde, black etc will be to give us High elf fans the high elven look we were hoping for.

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because the Void Elves have the whole Telogrus Rift experience, they might be able to make something out of it, or find a way to hold at least Terrokar together, that'd be a cool thing for them to do to show the void can be used for good.Telogrus itself seems like a great study the void location, not the best to make a civil settlement out of. It would make a cool starter zone though, doing research on the void and learning how to use it and then coming out of the rift to a void elf city showing how the chaos you saw in the starter has been harnessed into something good.

Exactly, I like both the Allerian Stronghold and Telogrus ideas, especially Telogrus because we can clearly see that work was put into creating the voidy theme of that area with its beautiful dark, starry sky. Imagine questing in there, dealing with all sorts of void and arcane enemies, a void forest, and then finding a glorious capital built right into the midsts of the void.

[Kyriani]

That's an amazing idea! I love it! I was also suggesting in some of my previous posts that Telogrus is transformed into a fully functioning city, with dark blue, gold, and purple decor, several towers spiraling upwards, giving it an almost or even actual feel of floating. The Alliance and Horde receiving their own floating fortress for the next expansion would also be amazing.

What is your take on Void Elf hairstyles and colours? For hairstyles I was suggesting a long straight for males and females with a side braid running along the back, and a loose braid resting on the back as well for females. For hair colours we were thinking white, an ash blonde or a voidy blonde (with two dark blue shiny highlights on it resembling the wings of the Starcursed Voidseeker), black, and maybe a cute pastel pink with pink tentacles toggle on/off? The white and blonde, black etc will be to give us High elf fans the high elven look we were hoping for.

As far as hair colors go, I'd like to see Void Elves get options along these lines:



As far as hairstyles go, I'd be happy to see hairstyles from other Alliance races shared with Void Elves such as these:



I'm glad you like my idea on the floating fortresses for each faction though! As a fan of Dalaran as a primary hub, the idea of Alliance and Horde each getting their own faction specific floating magical fortress is very appealing to me and offers a break from the usual Human/Orc buildings we typically get (i.e. WoD Garrisons).

[Eleann]

I love the White and the Black! The Brown is nice and earthly as well. We already have x3 blues so the blue one does not amaze me that much. And I would rather get a light ash blonde with dark blue highlights to create that void theme uniqueness, rather than such a dark blonde. I really like the light kul tiran blonde as it's really nice and natural and differs from the Belf blonde.

BTW Where did you find those photos? I wonder if there're more where those come from!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Apologies to Eleann.
I'm just frustrated that people are offering good ideas but they just get shouted down with "my ideas are the only ones that work."

Why can't Night Elves and Void Elves develop Darkshore and Terrokkar Forest for example?
I don't mind the Horde losing a presence in the latter zone, because it can work and works well for the development of High Elves and Void Elves.

And that's the sort of fun discussions we have here, the explorations of where each race could go and whatnot. But when the discussion is built over Ravenmoon's insane moon logic, it sours the whole thing because then we are not just talking about possibilities, but responding to the nonsense premise that "elves are alliance coded" as if it was a valid thing.

[Ardenaso]

why wasn't Vereesa held accountable for attempting to murder Rommath, a high ranking Horde official?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

why wasn't Vereesa held accountable for attempting to murder Rommath, a high ranking Horde official?

When did that even happen?

[Shadowtwili]

Probably the Purge of Dalaran?

But as far as I know, that was Rommath going into a area that he knew was hostile to him and his people.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Probably the Purge of Dalaran?

But as far as I know, that was Rommath going into a area that he knew was hostile to him and his people.

I mean Vereesa DOES give us a hit list -girlboss- but she isn't even aware Rommath is pulling off a rescue mission.

It's just so weird people making up stuff when Vereesa has actually done war crimes; but since everyone has at some point I guess that's why people pull the "well she tried to kill someone IMPORTANT" lol

[Ardenaso]

When did that even happen?

just before the liberation of Suramar when the Alliance and Horde weren't at war

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

just before the liberation of Suramar when the Alliance and Horde weren't at war

JFC are you talking their spat outsides the gates of Suramar? Are you serious?