Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

the devs said high elf is a race and they are adding high elf to the game as void elf and blood elf customization

Except they didn't really say that.

They said they added some high elf customization options. They never said they added High elves are a race because High elves aren't playable as of now.

Face it. The blood elf you play and your blood elf leaders do claim themselves as Sin'dorei, not Quel'Dorei, so saying blood elves are high elves is pointless.

[Alanar]

Dear Penguin, be gentle, since you know that :

Blood elves = Horde elves
High elves = Alliance elves

Otherwise, if blood elves are High elves, then the Alliance also has blood elves.

What was the saying again?

Every blood elf is a high elf, but not every high elf is a blood elf. Anyway alliance having blood elves with what you said doesnt make much sense. Also high elves are both now.

[elbleuet]

What was the saying again?

Every blood elf is a high elf

Who said that ?

[Alanar]

Who said that ?

You are new?

This was always a thing.

[elbleuet]

You are new?

This was always a thing.

No. This was never a thing, until some Horde dev in Blizzard said he thought blood elves were high elves. Then some Horde fans were like "buuuut he's right blood elves r high elves deal with it!".

Before that, Horde fans never questionned that.

So I repeat my question. Who said that, and which blood elf in game consider himself as a Quel'dorei ? Which blood elf leader declared himself a high elf ?

[Alanar]

No. This was never a thing, until some Horde dev in Blizzard said he thought blood elves were high elves. Then some Horde fans were like "buuuut he's right blood elves r high elves deal with it!".

Before that, Horde fans never questionned that.

So I repeat my question. Who said that, and which blood elf in game consider himself as a Quel'dorei ? Which blood elf leader declared himself a high elf ?

What are you on about? This always was a thing, I believe this was something that happened in 2007/2008, not my fault you missed it, but you have to search the forums yourself for that certain poster.

Not the point, the point was that the post I quoted you in was just wrong and didnt make much sense.

The fun part about it, is that its still true.

[elbleuet]

No it never went that way. You might have missed it. Could be a bc thing even. It realy doesnt matter who said it.
Its still true, unless you talk about newly raised blood elves which is not the point, but they would not be high elves.

So again.. what you said in the post I quoted doesnt make any sense.

So penguin, I would say ignore that.

So you're not responding to my question right.

Why your blood elves don't consider themselves as High elves IG ?

And why do the Alliance elves consider themselves as High elves ?

[Ardenaso]

I should bring this back here

Although we all know that Kael'thas and the Blood Elves dumped the name "High Elves" (and I still agree that any self-proclaimed High Elf prancing around Silvermoon deserved to be mugged for not taking the name that honors the fallen High Elves), they still tend to the Quel'thalas traditions, heritage, and its culture. They own Quel'thalas, Silvermoon, and the Sunwell and they are willing to defend them - as well as the appointed leaders' ideals, they are the true heirs to the title of High Elves and they are closer to the High Elves than the ones in the Alliance.

The (Alliance) High Elves on the other hand, have abandoned their own kin in their time of need and chose to side with their enemy. They no longer indulge in Blood Elf stuff and they chose now to live in Human, Dwarf, and Night Elf lands, they basically set aside the nobility and the elevated status that defined them. They are now more like Wildhammer Elves or "Commoner Elves" than actual High Elves.

Now, why did they chose to fight for the Alliance? They were exiled? Lor'themar made amends for them to come back and they still refused. They didn't want to kill Alliance nor be on a genocidal/omnicidal faction? They could have been simply become neutral like the Kirin Tor or Argent Dawn/Crusade mediators who would settle at least to try and prevent civilian casualties, even Vereesa's husband and the people closest to Garithos' New Alliance Remnants themselves are neutral and are vouching for the Horde. They couldn't stand the Horde? They could have simply stayed in Quel'thalas or made themselves cleanse Ghostlands to be at least useful. But nah, to the enemy they went, while the Blood Elves were suffering in Quel'thalas for 5 years they were enjoying their selfish lives in Dalaran and human lands, doing yoga instead of helping the Blood Elves cope up with their addiction.

And then they further sealed off their legitimacy for Quel'thalas the moment they committed the Purge of Dalaran - they were pretty much eager to kill Blood Elves and they made themselves the enemies of the state (but then again it happened for gameplay reasons because you can't just put the Blood Elves on the Alliance anyway)



Blood Elves are the real High Elves, and the High Elves today are posers

[Alanar]

So you're not responding to my question right.

Why your blood elves don't consider themselves as High elves IG ?

And why do the Alliance elves consider themselves as High elves ?

I deleted my original response -.-

Sorry that is just not the point, so saying it again, every blood elf is a high elf, not every high elf is a blood elf.

Those are facts

Also I dont even understand your questions?
Those are just your assumptions, both horde and alliance have high elves now. I dont care about your personal view on it. I even checked back to your original question, seriously reread your post.. no one is talking about that.

I quoted you remember.

[Neumann77]

All Blood Elves are High Elves but not all High Elves are Blood Elves. From Wowpedia:

The high elves were once a significant force on the continent, but in recent times their numbers have been dramatically reduced: approximately 90%[5] of their population was slaughtered during the Third War.[6] Following this, 90% of the surviving high elves changed their name to "blood elves" or sin'dorei (children of the blood in Thalassian) in remembrance of their fallen brethren, and no longer consider themselves high elven.[2]

However, a few high elves did not rename themselves blood elves. High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political.[10] When Quel'Thalas left the Alliance, some high elves chose to remain with their allies over their kingdom, and to this day still support the Alliance.[7] Some high elves were exiled from Quel'Thalas after the Third War.[11] Other high elf remnants have chosen to rejoin the Alliance in recent years, arriving to a cold reception.[2] Modern high elves are a rare sight, and are commonly mistaken for blood elves.[12][13] In consequence, there are very few high elves left on Azeroth today. High elves did not gather in any significant numbers and are a very small group of individuals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture—only a past filled with glory and regret.

[Alanar]

All Blood Elves are High Elves but not all High Elves are Blood Elves. From Wowpedia:

The high elves were once a significant force on the continent, but in recent times their numbers have been dramatically reduced: approximately 90%[5] of their population was slaughtered during the Third War.[6] Following this, 90% of the surviving high elves changed their name to "blood elves" or sin'dorei (children of the blood in Thalassian) in remembrance of their fallen brethren, and no longer consider themselves high elven.[2]

However, a few high elves did not rename themselves blood elves. High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political.[10] When Quel'Thalas left the Alliance, some high elves chose to remain with their allies over their kingdom, and to this day still support the Alliance.[7] Some high elves were exiled from Quel'Thalas after the Third War.[11] Other high elf remnants have chosen to rejoin the Alliance in recent years, arriving to a cold reception.[2] Modern high elves are a rare sight, and are commonly mistaken for blood elves.[12][13] In consequence, there are very few high elves left on Azeroth today. High elves did not gather in any significant numbers and are a very small group of individuals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture—only a past filled with glory and regret.

@elbleuet its even a wowpedia thing now, which I missed.

[elbleuet]

I should bring this back here

"I don't like High elves so here's why"

Again Alanar, if those are facts, show me where I can find a blood elf who declared himself a High elf ?

Why do the High elves publicy state they're High elves and Blood elves state they're blood elves ?

It's been 3 times I've been asking you this question and still no answer except "these are facts" without any proof.

Fact is : your blood elves do not feel themselves high elves.

But my Alliance elves do feel themselves high elves.

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All Blood Elves are High Elves but not all High Elves are Blood Elves. From Wowpedia:

The high elves were once a significant force on the continent, but in recent times their numbers have been dramatically reduced: approximately 90%[5] of their population was slaughtered during the Third War.[6] Following this, 90% of the surviving high elves changed their name to "blood elves" or sin'dorei (children of the blood in Thalassian) in remembrance of their fallen brethren, and no longer consider themselves high elven.[2]

However, a few high elves did not rename themselves blood elves. High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political.[10] When Quel'Thalas left the Alliance, some high elves chose to remain with their allies over their kingdom, and to this day still support the Alliance.[7] Some high elves were exiled from Quel'Thalas after the Third War.[11] Other high elf remnants have chosen to rejoin the Alliance in recent years, arriving to a cold reception.[2] Modern high elves are a rare sight, and are commonly mistaken for blood elves.[12][13] In consequence, there are very few high elves left on Azeroth today. High elves did not gather in any significant numbers and are a very small group of individuals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture—only a past filled with glory and regret.

Thanks for proving me right.

[Alanar]

"I don't like High elves so here's why"

Again Alanar, if those are facts, show me where I can find a blood elf who declared himself a High elf ?

Why do the High elves publicy state they're High elves and Blood elves state they're blood elves ?

It's been 3 times I've been asking you this question and still no answer except "these are facts" without any proof.

Fact is : your blood elves do not feel themselves high elves.

But my Alliance elves do feel themselves high elves.

No dude this is not how it works. I quoted you because what you said didnt make sense. Now you try to twist it that I didnt gave anwsers to your silly question which are not even relevant now.

Oke kid you are already annoying me, but I already said this was probably way before your time and it was a yhibg in 2007/2008 and even a wowpedia page was presented to you.

Its flying over your head. No one said anything about how they view themselves by they we obviously mean blizzard so please stop this nonsense. The fact is what has already been said. Blood elves are high elves, not every high elf is a blood elf. This is just how it is.

What are you on about man? I already said I dont care about your personal feelings why they feel like that.

Your questions are silly and are not relevant at all...

[Ardenaso]

"I don't like High elves so here's why"

not really; I like High Elves though and I'm also one of the pro-helfers back in the Obelisk Kai days but let's be real though; there's no longer anything "high" or noble on the Alliance High Elves, they all cast it out aside

[Neumann77]

I agree with what you are saying and it seems your answer is also in what I posted:

"High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political."

Reading through here for the past couple of months, many people seem to think that High Elves and Blood Elves are two separate races when in fact they are not. Two sides of the same coin.

Blood Elves are High Elves, that just had a name change.

[elbleuet]

No dude this is not how it works. I quoted you because what you said didnt make sense. Now you try to twist it that I didnt gave anwsers to your silly question which are not even relevant now.

Oke kid you are already annoying me, but I already said this was probably way before your time and it was a yhibg in 2007/2008 and even a wowpedia page was presented to you.

Its flying over your head. No one said anything about how they view themselves by they we obviously mean blizzard so please stop this nonsense. The fact is what has already been said. Blood elves are high elves, not every high elf is a blood elf. This is just how it is.

What are you on about man? I already said I dont care about your personal feelings why they feel like that.

Your questions are silly and are not relevant at all...

Ok still no answer. End of story. You can move on. I don't care about yours aswell you know I just want facts.

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not really; I like High Elves though and I'm also one of the pro-helfers back in the Obelisk Kai days but let's be real though; there's no longer anything "high" or noble on the Alliance High Elves, they all cast it out aside

I never said High elves were noble or something like that...

[Ardenaso]

I never said High elves were noble or something like that...

don't mind if I move the goalpost but I thought it means they aren't High Elves in intrinsic value by then

[elbleuet]

I agree with what you are saying and it seems your answer is also in what I posted:

"High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race, and the difference between high and blood elves is only political."

Reading through here for the past couple of months, many people seem to think that High Elves and Blood Elves are two separate races when in fact they are not. Two sides of the same coin.

Blood Elves are High Elves, that just had a name change.

I never said that either Blood elves and High elves are the same race. In fact, I already mentionned it when I said Blood elves are Horde elves and High elves Alliance elves. It's a political difference, nothing more.

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don't mind if I move the goalpost but I thought it means they aren't High Elves in intrinsic value by then

Oh ok.

To be honest, I even think modern blood elves are more noble than the High elves themselves if we look at the past events.

[Alanar]

Ok still no answer. End of story. You can move on. I don't care about yours aswell you know I just want facts.

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I never said High elves were noble or something like that...

End of story?

Its end of story if you stop spreading wrong information.

Your one question was already anwserd, how a high elf feels or how a blood elf feels is not relevant to the point for the fourth time. You got nothing and got proven wrong multiple times now. What else you want?

I advise you to read up some blood elf lore.

Also your ugly bias is showing, which again is weird, because it wasnt about personal pov.

[Yarathir]

Horde players trying to reclaim "High Elf" from the Alliance purely to spite them is like Alliance players trying to claim that Eredar are Alliance because the species name for Draenei is Eredar, even though they've abandoned that name for themselves long ago in favor of Draenei. Same for Blood Elves and High Elves.