Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I was thinking not Syndicate but perhaps former Syndicate we helped in Classic like Ryson and then the Ravehodlt and then the Blackthorn Bandits who served Sylvanas long ago

also I was thinking perhaps this could be the way for High Elf Paladin and Human Paladin fantasy - blue eyed Blood Knight and Alteraci Human Paladin/Bandit Lord

Sure, they don't need to be actually the Syndicate, more so the point of humans of the area, who could have been Syndicate, Bandits and even ex Ravenholdt, banding together to reclaim Alterac as a Kingdom with Horde backing -I even think the Calia thing could come into play to forge an alliance between the two former allied Kingdoms- in contrast to the apparent Alliance indolence.

I don't think the High Elf Paladin Fantasy is thematically relevant nor interesting enough, but personally I would love a HE paladin not gonna lie. But yeah, as much as Void Elves are locked from Paladins -as of now- I would also lock Alteraci from having Paladins and offering another class instead that humans don't normally have. I do like the idea of cross faction racial choices, but while still having a unique flavor, but not solely removing something, but adding something else -That's why I'd like VE's got Shamans rather than Paladins-

Overall I do think one or two class restrictions per race serve an identity purpose, and contrasting a "mirror" AR with a class combo the Core doesn't have, bit giving it another, could do wonders for flavor.

[Kyriani]

Even though I find the concept of a paladin that draws its power from the void rather than the light intriguing, I'm fine with void elves never getting paladins. I would like void elves and nightborne to get the demon hunter class though. I also think lightforged should get the monk class.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

1199 pages of I want Blonde hair for my Void elf.

How dare you.

Some of us want white hair.

Will never not be amusing people coming out of nowhere thinking they can accurately summarize a discussion that's been going on since 2004 in one sentence. Because of course you are so wonderfully uniquely made and no one else thought of that before you came along!

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Even though I find the concept of a paladin that draws its power from the void rather than the light intriguing, I'm fine with void elves never getting paladins. I would like void elves and nightborne to get the demon hunter class though. I also think lightforged should get the monk class.

Yeah, personally I'm not hardlining any class restrictions -and I think that further expanding them could be made in very interesting ways Lore wise such as Void Paladins- but I do think that some do add a sense of flavor and identity as a reflection of cultural differences.

Okay but in the vein of void powered paladins, imagine we got light powered demon hunters tho. Draenei DH's!!!!

But yeah, I do think more races should be DH's overall.

[Swnem]

The thing about void elf paladins is that i envision them more like discipline priests with a white overlay on the abilities rather than full yellow effects.
It would look really cool and i would totally reroll mine.

This should not be limited to void elves as i would also like to see things like a fiery tint on the dark iron ones, a red one on blood elves, etc. Could make them all feel unique with minimal effort.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I think I'm getting what you're saying - that it won't have as big as an effect because they are so popular already but the thing is this view would only make sense if Blizzard's main goal was to attract new blood (which I'm sure is one of their goals) but I think their bigger goal is to maintain the audience they already do have. I believe they understand that their focus should be on player retention than new blood because WoW isn't attracting as much new blood these days as before - so much so that it's typically considered a 'rare sight' to see someone completely new to the game playing that people typically comment 'bless your innocence' or something akin to a child being born lol.

Their focus on adding more customizations to the already popular races is less of an economic move than it is efficient use of resources as I was saying to another poster. I think the majority of their economic benefit comes from shop pets/mounts/level boosts/6 month promos rather than (and I am assume here) less-often used race/faction/server transfers.

Well, my primary focus was on race changes rather than new players, but yes. That is a fairly good point, but the issue is still that there is little need for player retention. Add to that regardless of new players, there is usually a large degree of fluctuation in terms of people who are leaving and then returning to the game, so the economic boon would be from attracting back old players, rather than just relying on retention. Even then, who would leave because of a lack of new customization options, much less to an already-popular model that doesn't require much improvement? This would likely have no effect on player retention.

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Even though I find the concept of a paladin that draws its power from the void rather than the light intriguing, I'm fine with void elves never getting paladins. I would like void elves and nightborne to get the demon hunter class though. I also think lightforged should get the monk class.

Why would Nightborne become Illidari? I could feasibly imagine some power-hungry Illidari joining the Void Elves, though.

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Somehow I doubt that a bunch of thieves in a few derelict houses will pose a threat to the Alliance's advance in the old Lordaeron.

Anyway since we're talking about WC3 I didn't know that this was a thing, and it was made just a month after Void Elves were first revealed:

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads...-elves.301694/

And apparently there's also a custom game mode called "Survival Chaos" that also features a Void Elves race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9rpjERP9eI

Honestly this is so beautiful, but I've always said that Reforged was a missed opportunity. If only they had gone through with their idea of changing/adding new storylines to match the WoW developments, they could have included Umbric and his followers in the Quel'Thalas missions.

Why? What story benefit could that plausibly bring? He has minimal impact on the current plot, and furthermore Umbric wasn't even doing anything special at the time. He was just kind of there as a normal, everyday Magister at the time. In fact, if they really, really wanted to bring Void-y stuff into Warcraft III for some reason, why not just use Dar'Khan, since he is actually part of the lore at the time and was an important element who had a major role in helping bring down the shield around Quel'Thalas. Someone so instrumental surely deserves more of a role.

[Lastgope]

Yeah back in 2012 maybe.


That's literally what they have done anyway so Compare the new options humans got to the new options pandaren got, there's no comparison to be made.

Not 2012, closer to 2018 before the AH changes made sites like WoWcensus not workable

[Kyriani]

Why would Nightborne become Illidari? I could feasibly imagine some power-hungry Illidari joining the Void Elves, though.

There were nightborne npcs called felborne that used glaives back in Legion. Obviously the felborne weren't allies and there'd need to be some story elements added to explain any other races getting access to demon hunters, but I'd still like to see them get access to the class. Demon hunter is a popular class like paladin and druid, neither of which are available to nightborne or void elves. And if blizz wants to keep demon hunters an elf only class then at least void elves and nightborne fit the bill.

[Varodoc]

Why? What story benefit could that plausibly bring? He has minimal impact on the current plot, and furthermore Umbric wasn't even doing anything special at the time. He was just kind of there as a normal, everyday Magister at the time. In fact, if they really, really wanted to bring Void-y stuff into Warcraft III for some reason, why not just use Dar'Khan, since he is actually part of the lore at the time and was an important element who had a major role in helping bring down the shield around Quel'Thalas. Someone so instrumental surely deserves more of a role.

First of all people on this forum (which is infamously toxic and negative) have complained non-stop for years that Umbric and the Void Elves "suck" because they are an "asspull" (we'll ignore how the Gnomes also had no lore but a bunch of lines on WC2 manual before becoming playable in WoW), so introducing Umbric and his followers in WC3 would make them more ingrained in the overall story. Secondly I didn't say he had to play a major role, just that he could be featured, maybe as part of an optional mission. You could have an optional mission where Arthas has to destroy the base of Umbric and his scholars. Drathir is obviously not a Ren'dorei so including him would be stupid. We already know from WoW that Umbric found Telogrus Rift thanks to Drathir's books, he doesn't need to be featured in WC3 for that plot point to be established well.

This forum can never be pleased honestly, people complain for years that the Void Elves are an "asspull" (they aren't by the way) and then they don't want them to be included in WC3 to make them feel like less of an "asspull" (which they aren't).

[AOL Instant Messenger]

First of all people on this forum (which is infamously toxic and negative) have complained non-stop for years that Umbric and the Void Elves "suck" because they are an "asspull" (we'll ignore how the Gnomes also had no lore but a bunch of lines on WC2 manual before becoming playable in WoW), so introducing Umbric and his followers in WC3 would make them more ingrained in the overall story. Secondly I didn't say he had to play a major role, just that he could be featured, maybe as part of an optional mission. You could have an optional mission where Arthas has to destroy the base of Umbric and his scholars. Drathir is obviously not a Ren'dorei so including him would be stupid. We already know from WoW that Umbric found Telogrus Rift thanks to Drathir's books, he doesn't need to be featured in WC3 for that plot point to be established well.

This forum can never be pleased honestly, people complain for years that the Void Elves are an "asspull" (they aren't by the way) and then they don't want them to be included in WC3 to make them feel like less of an "asspull" (which they aren't).

How would retroactively adding them to Warcraft III retroactively make them not feel like an ass-pull, since the lore is entirely retroactive? Besides, I actually think the Void Elves are a good way of continuing the story of Elves in general - Elves are sort of parasitic by nature, and they tend to sort of go downhill when it comes to the powers they dabble in. The Blood Elves have backed off, the Void Elves have gone deeper.

And why would Arthas destroy the base of a bunch of Scholars who weren't even founded yet? Umbric only began his research after Quel'Thalas was destroyed, and given he seemed to be exiled pretty quickly, he probably only began around the time the Sunwell was rediscovered.

[Varodoc]

And in the end, you guys manage to make them give you normal skin color and blue eyes, that totally ruined the idea of the Void elves to be something new and original.

This is simply a false and disingenuous argument to make, since Alleria Windrunner first and leader of the Ren'dorei can retain her High elf form:



As a Void Elf fan, I couldn't be happier that they finally gave them fair skin options, I have been asking this since 2017. And not because I am a High elf fan, but because I am a VOID ELF FAN, and the leader of the Void Elves indeed can retain her fair form.

As I've been saying since 2017: Fair skin and Blue eyes have always been part of the Void Elf identity. Again, look at the Void Elf leader. This is an objective fact.

[shoc]

This is simply a false and disingenuous argument to make, since Alleria Windrunner first and leader of the Ren'dorei can retain her High elf form:



As a Void Elf fan, I couldn't be happier that they finally gave them fair skin options, I have been asking this since 2017. And not because I am a High elf fan, but because I am a VOID ELF FAN, and the leader of the Void Elves indeed can retain her fair form.

As I've been saying since 2017: Fair skin and Blue eyes have always been part of the Void Elf identity. Again, look at the Void Elf leader. This is an objective fact.

Alleria is not like a player Void Elf though. She is the host to the power of a void naaru, whereas the Void Elves are halfway through the process of becoming Void Ethereals. There is no lore reason for why the Void Elves should have fair skin, certainly not one based on Alleria, it only happened because of fan service.

[Varodoc]

Alleria is not like a player Void Elf though. She is the host to the power of a void naaru, whereas the Void Elves are halfway through the process of becoming Void Ethereals. There is no lore reason for why the Void Elves should have fair skin, certainly not one based on Alleria, it only happened because of fan service.

Sylvanas and Nathanos are also not like the normal Forsaken players. Sylvanas is a banshee possessing her body and Nathanos is actually possessing the body of his deceased relative as host. And yet their unique red eyes were given to Forsaken players as customization options.

There is no lore reason as to why the playable Void Elves shouldn't be able to retain their High elf form just because they haven't absorbed the Void Naaru. If anything they should retain their High elf form more easily, since they haven't absorbed 2 Void Demi-Gods that would naturally make them a lot more Void-infused than normal.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Its like you guys didnt get it that Blizzard tried to make Void elves the new "Dark Elves" of WoW.

The idea was to create something new, with an old asset "The Blood Elves" and turn them into a new race, with completely different look and abilities. And in the end, you guys manage to make them give you normal skin color and blue eyes, that totally ruined the idea of the Void elves to be something new and original.

Oh, everyone "got that" babe. The problem since their introduction has been how poorly executed it was from an introductory perspective, as well as a failure to use the already established presence of alliance high elves, specially since, you know, Alleria herself, the VE leader, is one.

Not because VE's were designed to be "new and exciting" means they succeeded at it. Innovation for its own sake isn't inherently superior, and VE's are a textbook example of how you can fail when you add no depth or context to the cool factor. Void Elves are aesthetically interesting, but their aesthetics have barely any connection to a tangible background, which is even more notorious when the original Void Elf, Alleria Windrunner, pretty much mantained her aesthetic as an elven Ranger.

Now you guys, only want them to have the same classes + hairstyles + colors than the Blood Elves. In that case, all the development and story behind the Void elves goes right into the toilet.

Dude, you kinda need to accept not every High Elf fan wants the same things. Some of us kinda want Void Elves to draw more of a cultural continuation from their origin as thalassian elves, specially by way of Alleria, who, herself, is distinct from blood elves in hairstyle and style -tattoos and feathers-. I personally don't think VE's should get paladins, I don't think that more natural hair colors break the VE aesthetic -AGAIN, when Alleria herself, the OG, is a blonde Void Elf-

To limit the VE aesthetics does nothing to strengthen their identity. It's just a lazy way to make them different, without having to build a context and background and unified aesthetic that truly sets them apart and creates a concise thematic identity.

Not only that, but to address through aesthetics how Void Elves can grown their numbers by recruiting High Elves, let alone the potential that adds to their narrative.

If you want to have a proper conversation, you gotta leave your generalizations and preconceived notions at the door.

This should have been done using a new model, but since Blizzard used the "Blood Elves" skeletons for it, it caused the people in WoW to just want Blood elves for the Alliance....What a waste, but also, how lazy from Blizzard for not creating a new skeleton.

Yeah, it's not our fault that Blizzard didn't put enough effort and gave VE's a new model.

And really in case you missed it, people have wanted playable alliance high elves since the start of WoW, and while a lot of people here try to ponder how we can move the Void Elves forward while giving a lil bit of that High Elven look as an option so everyone gets something, all you came here to do was to say "U guys just want blood elves on the alliance"

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Alleria is not like a player Void Elf though. She is the host to the power of a void naaru, whereas the Void Elves are halfway through the process of becoming Void Ethereals. There is no lore reason for why the Void Elves should have fair skin, certainly not one based on Alleria, it only happened because of fan service.

There's also no reason WHY the player had to look like Violet Beauregarde except an arbitrary decision to aesthetically separate the Void Elves from Blood Elves.

So we know that being blue isn't want makes you a Void Elf -look at Alleria- and since we know what created the Void Elves on the first place was an accident, why SHOULD any future generations of Void Elves look like the first one? Specially considering a new process more akin to Alleria's would be the only way to create more Void Elves.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Also....cant you guys play something else?. You already have Night elves, Draenei and Void elves. Why do you want Blood elves into the Alliance. Why more elves???

If you like female characters, you also have Female Dwarves (They look awesome), The Gnomes (Also looks awesome and small, new transmog also available for them) and what about the furry Worgen? or the Pandaren?.

Guys, get your head out of your ass. If you want Blood elves go to the Horde. Alliance got Dark Elves, why did you insist into turning them into Blood elves?.

The High elves from Outlands and Wrath of the Lich King are a completely different race, with different reasons to exist. I even bet their racials are more related to nature and magic than void and magic.

Get this in your head. BLIZZARD CREATED "DARK ELVES", THEIR OWN VERSION AND KINDA....ORIGINAL VERSION OF "DARK ELVES". NOT HIGH ELVES!!!!!

Draenei are my favorite Alliance race. I main a BE Dark Ranger on the Horde.

Do you get that wanting to see more races being playable doesn't meant we don't play the others, right?

Sis, some of us just think that the Alliance High Elves lore is neat and would like for it to be playable to a degree. It's not hard to understand other people find interesting some things you don't.

Some people are still asking for High Elves as their own Allied Race, some of us kinda just want High Elves to merge with Void Elves and see where that goes. And if that gives us the option to look like a high elf -much like you can have an outland maghar even tho we only technically have draenor maghar- it's a win win.

It's really not that hard to get, not even without your laughably reductive idea of what Void Elves SHOULD be. Which again, give that their leader is a blonde high elven looking mofo, it's just funny.

[Ardenaso]

I made Vereesa in Reforged )))))

https://www.hiveworkshop.com/bundles...runner.332948/



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I would also lock Alteraci from having Paladins and offering another class instead that humans don't normally have

but why tho? I think these are pretty much Paladins

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ban...(Warcraft_III)

[Beloren]

Draenei are my favorite Alliance race. I main a BE Dark Ranger on the Horde.

Do you get that wanting to see more races being playable doesn't meant we don't play the others, right?

Sis, some of us just think that the Alliance High Elves lore is neat and would like for it to be playable to a degree. It's not hard to understand other people find interesting some things you don't.

Some people are still asking for High Elves as their own Allied Race, some of us kinda just want High Elves to merge with Void Elves and see where that goes. And if that gives us the option to look like a high elf -much like you can have an outland maghar even tho we only technically have draenor maghar- it's a win win.

It's really not that hard to get, not even without your laughably reductive idea of what Void Elves SHOULD be. Which again, give that their leader is a blonde high elven looking mofo, it's just funny.

Aww, well said fella.

[FlubberPuddy]

Get this in your head.

How about you get it into yours that we're merely a hair color away?

You talk as we don't already have players going around with their Void Elves lookin pretty close with 'blue eyes, white skin elves' as you put it.

Btw here's my High Elf (Void Elf) character:



But yeah keep going on about how High Elf fans simply wanted, "blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin elves"

[Kyriani]

According to game director Ion Hazzikostas:

Blood Elves are pretty much High Elves... Void Elves are also pretty much another flavor of High Elves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BsxB4NJIBs

[Doffen]

According to game director Ion Hazzikostas:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BsxB4NJIBs

Damn, its been a while.

Every void elf is a high elf, but not every high elf is a void elf.

Wait! Thats the new version!

It was: Every Blood Elf is a High Elf, but not every High Elf is a Blood Elf.

1200 pages though

[FlubberPuddy]

You guys ruined the "Dark Elf" Fantasy by creating this....monster....called "Void elf". It was meant to be something new. And what did you do?....Create stupid threads of why my elf must look blonde, blue eyes and pink skin. For real guys, get your heads out of your ass. If you wanted so bad to play Blood Elves, just go Horde. There's no such thing in the alliance, and is still like that. I hope you never get that blonde hair, just to see you around in Stormwind walking with that purple/black hair that is so messy.

PLAY SOMETHING ELSE YOU ELF FREAKS!.

The alliance have so many awesome races, and you cant stop playing your female elves, so lame!

Now you get the idea, of why you idiots + the ones of WoW General Forums ruined the Void elves?. Void elves have never been High Elves!!!. NEVER!. They are Blood elves turned by the Void. In resume: Dark Elves.....You asked Blizzard for the WRONG FEATURES. WRONG HAIR COLOR, WRONG EYE COLOR WRONG SKIN COLOR.

Not sure what made you go on such an easily observable tirade but I hope you find peace. Doesn't seem like you're really here for a discussion as you are talking past what I just posted - a dark skinned elf.

It used to be people would say "I hope they never give you guys fair skin elves" now we're at a single hair color - I call that progress.

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Damn, its been a while.

Every void elf is a high elf, but not every high elf is a void elf.

Wait! Thats the new version!

It was: Every Blood Elf is a High Elf, but not every High Elf is a Blood Elf.

1200 pages though

Your avatar is making me want to try out TBC Classic!