Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varodoc]

Well to be fair from even a lore perspective, the Blood Elves are the bulk of the surviving original Quel'dorei aren't they? Those who stayed with the Alliance, Dalaran, or other non-affiliated holdings are in the minority I thought. So wouldn't that make them the "main" race of Thalassians?

But really, as a long lived race, the Blood Elves that survived Arthas's rampage, the High Elves who stayed with the Alliance or elsewhere, and even the Void Elves who are simply some of either group who got transformed (in the case of Umbric's group) or study the void (in the case of Alleria and possibly the newcomers to Telogrus) are still those same members of the "original Quel'dorei" are they not? Their circumstances and affiliations/politics may have changed, but aren't most of them still technically the same people (not counting new generations who were born after).

I'm not trying to argue really, just sharing my perspective. I personally feel that all the Thalassians have a claim on the legacy of the Quel'dorei, but all indications from Blizzard are that the Blood Elves are the majority as far as numbers go.

Biologically they are all High elves, as in Thalassian elves. It's just that some are Void-infused, while others are Fel-infused, and so on. And that's why Ion said that both Void elves and Blood elves are indeed variations of the original "High elves". Just like the green orcs are still orcs, or the fel-infused eredar (man'ari) are still eredar.

But politically, the Blood elves will never be the "main" Thalassian faction, simply because their claim to Quel'Thalas is challenged by the Ren'dorei and the Silver Covenant. And this has been the case since forever, even before the rise of the Ren'dorei the Silver Covenant denied the Blood elves' rule on Silvermoon. Vereesa even told Theron that he had no right telling her what to do, and that Quel'Thalas was still her home too.

Regardless this debate has gone on for far too long, all that's missing now are additional customization options for Void elves, which will come in time.

[Kyriani]

Regardless this debate has gone on for far too long, all that's missing now are additional customization options for Void elves, which will come in time.

I hope so. I really want black as a hair color option so my character can look as she does in my avatar pic. I also would like to see other colors such as white, beige, dark brown and maybe even a dark brick red. I also think it would be cool if void elves got a tentacle toggle like the night elf hair vines and color options for the tentacle glow to match the various eye colors.

[Kyriani]

You may like whatever hair color, even orange or green...But they are VOID elves, they have a lore to back them up. The lore i have posted so many times. And the reason they dont have those hair colors, is because they....are....not.....High elves.

The Game Director says they are though...

And regardless of that, I can ask for whatever hair colors I want. Only the devs can say yes or no to them. And even if they say no I can keep asking until they say yes.

[FlubberPuddy]

But in resume, the Lore is there for a reason, it shapes the World of Warcraft with the rules of how the world and his characters behave and how they are. And that includes how they look...

Lore doesn't mean hair dye doesn't exist. Jeezus. It's hair colors we're asking for (you can even keep blonde idc) - black/white/brown/beige will suffice, any more is icing on the cake. You think some crazy lore change happened to give Night Elves autmun orange hair? Please provide lore proof if so.

We're not asking for instance the Man'ari to turn into 'good' draenei.

Customizations are simply player made requests. Especially hair color which has no lore bearing. Nightborne NPCs all had only strictly white hair, when they were made playable they were also given black/blonde hair color to PLAYER models ONLY. NPCs continue having only strictly white hair color as far as I've recalled.

[Ardenaso]

wait, all these magic and shit and people don't know how to dye their hair?

[Kyriani]

If all these dyes exist in the game...

https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=dye
https://www.wowhead.com/item=2324/bleach

What's to stop people on Azeroth from using it on their hair? Dyes exist in WoW. Bleach exists in WoW.

Again you're arguing at the wind. Only the devs can decide what hair colors I can and can't have, not you. If the devs decide to answer the request for a few natural hair colors for void elves, what then? Will you throw a fit over it?

[FlubberPuddy]

There is no such thing as hair dye in WoW, since the "Character Creation menu" gives you those colors as "Natural" for said race. Night elves autum orange hair is in the lore and many other art from the game.
The Night elf vines: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/b0...59dd372e83.png
Color (Appearance): https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Night_elf
Nightborne lore: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Nightborne_(playable)

Customization have never been from player request. And this has been one of the main complains from the community, since Blizzard doesnt do these changes lightly. They follow the lore and only provide features that fit the lore.

So your rebuttal is showing Night Elves without orange hair and linking to the wowpedia pages of NE and NB which doesn't show them having said extra hair colors that only the player models have aka no proof they aren't player requests.

Thanks for showing how inept your arguments are, that's all I needed.

[Rhlor]

Ion says blood elves and high elves are biological the same

[Kyriani]

It doesnt exist. Not even mention on lore in any place. Like i posted for the Night Elves and Nightborne. The colors are related to their lore.

Note: Its clear you guys dont quiet get it, but the "lore" is changed by Blizzard as we learn more about the races. Back then we only knew about the Night Elves from what we had in Warcraft 3. NOW....If Blizzard invent more new stuff, that is up to them....

Cocks aren't mentioned anywhere in the lore either but I'm fairly confident every humanoid male on azeroth has one. The fact that dyes and bleach exist in the game is all the evidence I need to prove that dyes and bleach do indeed exist on azeroth.

Also just for the sake of basic logic, how the hell do you think clothes end up different colors on azeroth? Here's a hint: dyes exist.

[FlubberPuddy]

Thanks for showing how inept you are at reading linked wowpedia links. It clearly shows your lack of ability to both read and investigate something. I'm not going to do the homework for you, you already have the lore right there:

"Hair color has also extended into more variants over the dual tones attributed to dark trolls earlier in this section. Starting out with sapphire or even obsidian hair, night elf hair has sprouted into a panorama of azures and violet; followed closely by greens and even silver that boarder on white. Autumnal tinctures such as red, amber, blonde and brown were, for a time, common colors; though this striking feature was found primarily among the Highborne ruling class. Hairstyles among night elves are similar to those of the Quel'dorei and Sin'dorei, albeit a bit more wildly and free-flowing. Unlike most of their elven cousins, Kaldorei men often have thick, elaborate beards and bushy eyebrows." Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Night_elf

Next time, pay more attention.

Not gonna waste time going through an entire wiki page for one paragraph. Let me show you what proper discussion etiquette is below.

"The nightborne look similar to night elves, but their overall appearance is darker. Their skin does not have the brighter skin tones of purple and pink that night elves do, instead having more pale skin with dark blue-purpleish tones. A shal'dorei's hair is also far less colorful than the kal'dorei's, having only white, gray, black, or very pale-blue hair colors." Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Nightborne_(playable)

Now explain why NB PLAYERS ONLY suddenly got blonde added and NPCs remain stuck to white hair color only?

[Rhlor]

Game director says it

[Varodoc]

I hope so. I really want black as a hair color option so my character can look as she does in my avatar pic. I also would like to see other colors such as white, beige, dark brown and maybe even a dark brick red. I also think it would be cool if void elves got a tentacle toggle like the night elf hair vines and color options for the tentacle glow to match the various eye colors.

The funny thing is that there are indeed Void Elf NPCs in Stormwind who have black hair, they are called "Riftwarden Acolytes" and they indeed have black hair, with the tentacle even covered:



More customizations will come in 10.0 or maybe in 9.3, either way Blizzard won't ignore allied races. Especially since a lot of people (myself included) main an allied race, so it simply wouldn't be fair to ignore allied races when core races got so many new and unique options.

[FlubberPuddy]

Simple....Nightborne model used by the player is new and the NPCs have old models. Is more a technical limitation. They created them like that (lazy way) and just change their clothes, but all the NPC have the same face, with just different hairstyle.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/nightbo...74#hair-colors

Blonde? i see "white tones" there....Please pay attention to those colors.

And also, please "waste time" going through an entire wiki page before posting an angry answer.....You fooled yourself there.

Not sure how you consider middle-right 'white tones' and not Blonde. Then again, not sure how you come to a lot of your conclusions.

Also, no one's angry and no I won't waste time going through a wiki for a small snippet. Only one fooling themselves is you thinking as if your posts here are going to change the fact that eventually Void Elves will get more hair colors in the future allowing people to further play out their Alliance High Elf fantasies as they wish.

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Proof of it?. Link...Care to provide anything about it. Instead of posting only 18 words to defend your point?

that was super lazy from you...

Since you like telling people to waste their time looking at wiki pages, you can not waste your time (according to you) by either searching this thread or searching up around the time the blue post came about announcing that both Void Elves and Blood Elves would be getting what are essentially High Elf customizations (referred to as such by Ely Canon - you can search that up too it was around Blizzcon).

Have fun!

[Kyriani]

The funny thing is that there are indeed Void Elf NPCs in Stormwind who have black hair, they are called "Riftwarden Acolytes" and they indeed have black hair, with the tentacle even covered:



More customizations will come in 10.0 or maybe in 9.3, either way Blizzard won't ignore allied races. Especially since a lot of people (myself included) main an allied race, so it simply wouldn't be fair to ignore allied races when core races got so many new and unique options.

Yea I've seen those NPC's and you can choose the black hair when using the wow model view program. But the texture isn't finished. It doesn't have the coloration for things like the hair band for pony tails or the hair tentacles.

Here's my character in the model viewer using the void elf black hair option:

(the model viewer doesn't show the eyeglow properly but those are the "arcane" eye option we have in the game)

Here's one of the void elf hairstyles that has both a hair band and hair tentacle:



Granted in the game, the greyed out tentacles look like solid black tubes and not the grey with white outline in the above image.

I'm hoping that Blizzard finishes that texture, and adds a stark white, ashy beige, dark brown, and perhaps a really dark brick red hair color as well. I want more variety. I'm not concerned about High Elves. I just want my void elf to look the way I want to look and I don't really care what the lore has to say about it.

The skin tones were billed as "High Elf Customization" by the developers themselves. So if "High Elf Customization" is a thing (and it is) then I see no reason why it can't include hair colors.

[Ardenaso]

that Nightborne looks blonde-beige to me

[FlubberPuddy]

The skin tones were billed as "High Elf Customization" by the developers themselves. So if "High Elf Customization" is a thing (and it is) then I see no reason why it can't include hair colors.

Exactly. Despite some people still not wanting to admit that bit, Blizzard straight up said they’re high elf customizations given to both Void and Blood Elves. They also said they may do more later on, nothing ambiguous about those statements.

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Have fun! = That means, I'm angry, leaving in defeat, since you wheren't able to defend your point, and use passive aggressive

Get your facts, provide proof and don't just bash at other people opinion.

You spend more time over analyzing how someone posts than the content of their posts. Means you don’t really have much to argue.

Have fun = no need to argue with someone who has inept arguments.

Btw I like how you just sweep past the bit you quoted of me where Blizz confirmed those were high elf customizations given to VE and BE and more may come in future.

Also blonde =/= yellow.


“adjective: blonde
(of hair) fair or pale yellow.” Source = Oxford dictionary.

Get your facts straight, NB players only literally have a blonde hair color option aka pale yellow hair color option, NPCs do not. It’s a player request. Just like black skin thalassian elves - player request.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Proof of it?. Link...Care to provide anything about it. Instead of posting only 18 words to defend your point?

that was super lazy from you...

He wrote four words. You've thus far relied on writing three: "read the lore".

That is, of course, not to say that aforementioned lore even agrees with you.

[FlubberPuddy]

If you are not able to defend your claims with evidence, I'm afraid i cant do much to help you there. That is why you are so mad at me. And you keep going with it.
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That is not Blonde at all, is a tone of white.
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Provide proof of said "player request".
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Don't just argue just for the sake of it, provide proof, links, reason backed not on "Trust me dude, i said so..." because that is crap.

You guys are doing such a poor job at defending points. With Le Conceptuel being unable to defend his own points, and with Geisl poor skills in discussion, just angry claims.

And still:

High elves =/= Void Elves
Mag'har orcs =/= Orgrimmar Orcs
Zandalari Troll =/= Darkspear Troll
Dark Iron Dwarf =/= Ironforge/Wildhammer Dwarf

I am providing proof of my claims, I even sourced the Oxford dictionary on what “blonde” is defined as.

You choosing to ignore the proofs from multiple persons explained in different ways means you’re the one choosing to be ignorant on purpose.

Thus nothing more needs to be done.

There’s a reason why the usual “anti helfers” aren’t here backing up your “claims” like they would usually do in the past - it’s because the evidence as presented is against you.

The only thing you’re doing is saying “that’s not evidence to me so I am still correct” which is completely useless in terms of argumentation and true discussion.

Thus why in my previous posts and others noting you’re not here to actually have a discussion, you’re just drawling on about “how correct” you are about “lore”.

Obelisk Kai used to do the same but he actually engaged in the evidence to the contrary of his arguments.

You do none of that, even when engaged.

Let’s just repeat this for posterity: You don’t have to be convinced , you can continue staying ignorant and believing you are right/correct and everyone else is not providing proof.

That means nothing to Blizzard who will eventually add the high elven hair colors people are asking for to Void Elves, among other customizations ofc.

Try to accept and live with the fact that your opinion here is such a frank minority to the many millions of players (and hundreds of thousands of Void Elf fans among them) that want more customization available to every single playable race currently in the game.

Enjoy.

[FlubberPuddy]

"Enjoy" once again means, i failed to prove something, i retire with my tail between my legs and move on. Well at least that is good, since you are becoming more and more frustrated. Please don't use the forums if you are going to be that frustrated. I provided you the links every single time i made a reply. You wanted me to repeat my self and i said "NO". Read the replys i made moments ago...And that is when you got angry, you wanted things on silver plate. No Sir, you will have to read the past pages for that....

And again...Unless Blizzard provide those changes and its not on paper, is just a bunch of theories of ideas from the Fan base of "what they want" and not what "Blizzard is going to do".

If you wish to believe I am frustrated that is your prerogative. It is clear you have a one-track mind that is not open to changing, therefore there is no use to further discuss it.

"Unless Blizzard provide those changes and its not on paper, is just a bunch of theories of ideas from the Fan base of "what they want" and not what "Blizzard is going to do"

Yeah, like they did eventually with adding High Elven customizations to both Void Elves and Blood Elves after about 2 years of many High Elf fans coming together and making threads like this one/manifestos and keeping the request relevant.

That last statement of yours is nothing different than those previously who were saying, "it's not in the game right now so it will never be." It's not in the game right now, which is why it's being requested in the first place. And the request will get there because as stated previously - Ely Canon has already mentioned that they'll maybe do more in the future (a statement always used to leave the door open by Blizzard for adding something in later on).

Ignorant also isn't a personal attack, it's a behavior you're presenting. I am merely calling out the observation. Ignorant also isn't an insult - it's saying that despite information/evidence being provided to you against your claims, all you choose to do is go 'that is not proof to me, therefore it's invalid.'

That's very much ignorant behavior.

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Oh...and your "Definition of Blonde"....Yea i read it, sadly the lore say it clear is not Blonde:

A shal'dorei's hair is also far less colorful than the kal'dorei's, having only white, gray, black, or very pale-blue hair colors." Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Nightborne_(playable)

Otherwise, the sources of WoWpedia would have said: Blonde and Shades of Blonde. And nop, its not there. So its a tone of white.

That is proving my point... it does say nothing about them having blone hair/shade of blonde. Yet they clearly do in player character customization. This is an example of you being ignorant - lacking awareness to the information presented to you. Others have already stated to them it does look blonde too, so it's not simply me. You're the only one here calling it 'ton of white' and disregarding what blonde means.

[Pheraz]

Uhm this whole discussion about tones of blonde is really weird by the way.

They did exactly what was not expected by the blood elf fanatics: adding natural tones for eye and skin color to void elves, adding high elfs and blood elves in the rift as VE recuits. I am 100% sure the with the next wave of customization they will add natural hair tones to VEs.

Also, Kaldorei now also have a "blonde-tone" in their palette: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...u/emeriss/vynd