Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varx]

It's like you are unable to separate the limitations of the gameplay with your own, personal experience of your character.

Cause that literally happened to me, and you know what I said? "I play a VE character" and since he played a character that was just him, we really didn't talk about character backstories.

Neither I go "ACTUALLY THIS IS AN OUTLAND MAGHAR" on my orc JFC.

Well you shouldn't cuz that would also be factually incorrect. All player maghar are AU. Period.

But I see what's going on here.

You just play by your own head cannon.

I don't, I play with the actual truth.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

in my opinion someone who plays with a high elf in the alliance (customization) can say that his elf is a member of SC but is a member who in turn joined the void elves and uses the void

You can say whatever you want! You can RP whatever experience you want! Your only issue is other people that don't accept that, and why would you care to interact with them?

You can perfectly roleplay as a High Elf, the lore is already there. You aren't using anything that isn't on the lore

Because even void weilding high elves are canonical (Alleria, Inanas)

[Rhlor]

You can say whatever you want! You can RP whatever experience you want! Your only issue is other people that don't accept that, and why would you care to interact with them?

You can perfectly roleplay as a High Elf, the lore is already there. You aren't using anything that isn't on the lore

Because even void weilding high elves are canonical (Alleria, Inanas)

I totally agree that they are high elves and you can say that your high elf is for example a high elf from hinterlands! but who also joined the void elf faction. a high elf with void powers. we even see high elf in telogrus! it's more I support void elves with green eyes to represent the silvermoon scholar

[FlubberPuddy]

Okay let me ask you this...

Let's say you had a friend who's new to wow. They ask what you play.

You seriously gonna say you're mage is a half elf....

No it gonna say you play a void elf and you just make believe you play a vanilla held because that's all I can do at this point. Though deep down you know exactly you're playing.

It's insane how sensitive you feel about this O_O

All people will do is simply go "I play a velf but as a half-elf" it's no different from people who RPed their humans as high elves since the beginning of the game. Or whoever RPs their Mag'har as being from outland.

Btw Danuser himself already said what each player interprets of their own character is canon so it's absolutely pedantic to go around trying to clamor 'BuT AcKsHuLy'.

Like bruh if you're that offended I suggest taking a break from these forums or the game.

Same for WH dwarves, yeah it's not a new species of dwarf (no one has tried to claim that) but the customization options allow all those [mountain dwarves] players to claim being a WH dwarf and they can at the last show it due to customizations since that's what people see anyway -> tattooed dwarf = most likely identifies as WH.

Now do people use tattoos and proudly claim to play a mountain dwarf? Yes, and that's completely okay as well.

Just like on the Horde side you'll see Blood Elf players depicting themselves High Elves too despite the mouseover stating Blood Elf and heritage armor stating Blood Elf and all their /silly /flirt depicting Blood Elves too.

[Rhlor]

It's insane how sensitive you feel about this O_O

All people will do is simply go "I play a velf but as a half-elf" it's no different from people who RPed their humans as high elves since the beginning of the game. Or whoever RPs their Mag'har as being from outland.

Btw Danuser himself already said what each player interprets of their own character is canon so it's absolutely pedantic to go around trying to clamor 'BuT AcKsHuLy'.

Like bruh if you're that offended I suggest taking a break from these forums or the game.

Same for WH dwarves, yeah it's not a new species of dwarf (no one has tried to claim that) but the customization options allow all those [mountain dwarves] players to claim being a WH dwarf and they can at the last show it due to customizations since that's what people see anyway -> tattooed dwarf = most likely identifies as WH.

Now do people use tattoos and proudly claim to play a mountain dwarf? Yes, and that's completely okay as well.

Just like on the Horde side you'll see Blood Elf players depicting themselves High Elves too despite the mouseover stating Blood Elf and heritage armor stating Blood Elf and all their /silly /flirt depicting Blood Elves too.

do you remember these guys in quelthalas? I can safely say that my high elf is one of them because they came back

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I totally agree that they are high elves and you can say that your high elf is for example a high elf from hinterlands! but who also joined the void elf faction. a high elf with void powers. we even see high elf in telogrus! it's more I support void elves with green eyes to represent the silvermoon scholar

Player models give you the opportunity to play whatever is on your imagination; at most, you will have issues with other people regarding only what's actually canon on the lore.

And high elves are totally an alliance race; they are also neutral, so you can play a high elf of the kirin tor with either a BE or a VE characters, beacuse you can make your characters reflect any aspects already on the lore. Having new skin tones on a VE just helps immersion.

Also, you can totally have dragon characters. Same thing: They are often on the guise of elves and other mortals in lore. Presto!

[Ielenia]

You are assuming that.

Is it actually confirmed anywhere? We don't know if void elf features and connection don't pass to offspring. In the same way, we don't know if the worhen curse does too. You are assuming they dont, but the real answer is we don't know.

Unless theres some obscure lore i missed.

It is an assumption regarding the void elves.

But it is not an assumption about the worgen.

We have a developer statement saying that the child of two worgen is a normal, uncursed human:

Can worgen reproduce naturally or only through a bite or blood? Would their child be a worgen or normal?

The worgen curse is exactly that: a curse. Its origins are rooted in the druidic "pack form" that was later altered by the Scythe of Elune. The end result is the worgen we see today, beings that can transmit their affliction to others via a single bite.
In theory, if two worgen were to mate and produce an offspring, that offspring would not be a worgen. The child would merely possess the genetic material of his or her parents, like any other child sans the curse.

[FlubberPuddy]

do you remember these guys in quelthalas? I can safely say that my high elf is one of them because they came back

Yeah and that's fine to say that for your character. What Varx doesn't seem to understand is how people interpret their characters is up to that sole player and no one else - they even got Blizzard's blessing to behave that way as per Steve Danuser himself saying so.

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Player models give you the opportunity to play whatever is on your imagination; at most, you will have issues with other people regarding only what's actually canon on the lore.

And high elves are totally an alliance race; they are also neutral, so you can play a high elf of the kirin tor with either a BE or a VE characters, beacuse you can make your characters reflect any aspects already on the lore. Having new skin tones on a VE just helps immersion.

Also, you can totally have dragon characters. Same thing: They are often on the guise of elves and other mortals in lore. Presto!

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[Rhlor]

Yeah and that's fine to say that for your character. What Varx doesn't seem to understand is how people interpret their characters is up to that sole player and no one else - they even got Blizzard's blessing to behave that way as per Steve Danuser himself saying so.

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totally agree

[Varx]

Ah I see.

We're on two different wavelengths here. I'm just all about what's cannon while you guys are cool pretending your character is a dragon in humanoid form.

I mean why didn't you guys just say that. It's obvious why I'm adamant about my stance.

You guys can pretend w/e you want.

But I've read people actually believe to their core that they're playing a helf as a velf.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ah I see.

We're on two different wavelengths here. I'm just all about what's cannon while you guys are cool pretending your character is a dragon in humanoid form.

I mean why didn't you guys just say that. It's obvious why I'm adamant about my stance.

You guys can pretend w/e you want.

But I've read people actually believe to their core that they're playing a helf as a velf.

JFC, because whatever backstory you give your character is whatever you want!

It's like you are the kind of person that says "sorry your void elf can't have long hair because it's not a player customization option"

Do you understand that the player models are simply a set of customizations that you can make mean whatever you want? Or is your understanding of immersion that limited?

High Elves have been a part of the alliance since the beginning, they keep showing up. Using the VE model to portray that is just, being creative lol.

[leviathonlx]

It is an assumption regarding the void elves.

But it is not an assumption about the worgen.

We have a developer statement saying that the child of two worgen is a normal, uncursed human:

Can worgen reproduce naturally or only through a bite or blood? Would their child be a worgen or normal?

The worgen curse is exactly that: a curse. Its origins are rooted in the druidic "pack form" that was later altered by the Scythe of Elune. The end result is the worgen we see today, beings that can transmit their affliction to others via a single bite.
In theory, if two worgen were to mate and produce an offspring, that offspring would not be a worgen. The child would merely possess the genetic material of his or her parents, like any other child sans the curse.

I'll forever hate that ask cdev answer though given how much Blizz retcons and how that answer came from 2 people not even at Blizz anymore over a decade ago I'll just pretend like it doesn't exist still.

[Ielenia]

I'll forever hate that ask cdev answer though given how much Blizz retcons and how that answer came from 2 people not even at Blizz anymore over a decade ago I'll just pretend like it doesn't exist still.

Why, though? It's completely logical. It's a magical curse, not a genetic deficiency. So it makes sense that it doesn't pass onto the off-spring. That's the equivalent of saying that if you get a tattoo, your child should be born with a tattoo.

[Varx]

JFC, because whatever backstory you give your character is whatever you want!

It's like you are the kind of person that says "sorry your void elf can't have long hair because it's not a player customization option"

Do you understand that the player models are simply a set of customizations that you can make mean whatever you want? Or is your understanding of immersion that limited?

High Elves have been a part of the alliance since the beginning, they keep showing up. Using the VE model to portray that is just, being creative lol.

To you creative RP'ers maybe. To me, I'm just a velf that was outcast from silvermoon and my story is based on w/e I do in game after that. I'm not big on creating some big origin story that is completely different from how your toon actually starts.

All the power to you if you play like that. But I go off of the description from the character creation screen. Not some head cannon.

[leviathonlx]

Why, though? It's completely logical. It's a magical curse, not a genetic deficiency. So it makes sense that it doesn't pass onto the off-spring. That's the equivalent of saying that if you get a tattoo, your child should be born with a tattoo.

I mean I don't think it's fair to consider a tattoo the equivalent of turning into a completely different form that you only can leave with special treatment and it's not like Blizz really put that much thought into this 'curse' that acts more like a magical virus that, in my eyes, would impact the subjects DNA. Even then the curse wording for the condition is just what some of those infected with it or those fighting against them called the infection so it's not the same as say 'curse of affliction' (and calling it a curse anymore is silly since there are zero drawbacks whatsoever to being a worgen once the treatment to keep control is found). In the end though it doesn't matter since it's not something that'll ever be relevant.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Why, though? It's completely logical. It's a magical curse, not a genetic deficiency. So it makes sense that it doesn't pass onto the off-spring. That's the equivalent of saying that if you get a tattoo, your child should be born with a tattoo.

And I mean there's also the possibility that the curse IS passed down, but as curses are wont to do, it doesn't kick until the subject is on their teenage years.

But yeah, saying that "it doesn't pass onto the children is the best way of sidestepping the moral issue of baby werewolves and how to deal with them, so it's not like a bad lore choice.

[leviathonlx]

And I mean there's also the possibility that the curse IS passed down, but as curses are wont to do, it doesn't kick until the subject is on their teenage years.

But yeah, saying that "it doesn't pass onto the children is the best way of sidestepping the moral issue of baby werewolves and how to deal with them, so it's not like a bad lore choice.

Yea it was definitely something they made up just for the sake of how to deal with children werewolves.

[Ardenaso]

do you remember these guys in quelthalas? I can safely say that my high elf is one of them because they came back

we really need something to reflect this, like a quest for Allerians to return to Silvermoon and swear allegiance to Lo'themar, and some Dalarani High Elves as well

[Rhlor]

we really need something to reflect this, like a quest for Allerians to return to Silvermoon and swear allegiance to Lo'themar, and some Dalarani High Elves as well

It would be great to see some npcs on silvermoon there is an allerian elf who really wanted to go back to silvermoon

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

To you creative RP'ers maybe. To me, I'm just a velf that was outcast from silvermoon and my story is based on w/e I do in game after that. I'm not big on creating some big origin story that is completely different from how your toon actually starts.

All the power to you if you play like that. But I go off of the description from the character creation screen. Not some head cannon.

Then it's super duper good that no one is forcing you to make a High Elf then!

Come on, just let other people be and visualize their characters as they want, it literally is not up to you, at all, how other people look at their own characters, FFS.

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we really need something to reflect this, like a quest for Allerians to return to Silvermoon and swear allegiance to Lo'themar, and some Dalarani High Elves as well

There are so many of these little threads that could be addressed to add more depth.

Did the Allerian elves remained as part of the alliance? did some return for good to Quel'thalas? Is just Sunchaser there on a diplomatic role, or is there like a group of HE's that resettled there and not just pilgrims? Or did the allerian elves return to Azeroth and joined with the Silver Covenant?

So many little threads.

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Yea it was definitely something they made up just for the sake of how to deal with children werewolves.

Yeah, I do think so, and again, I don't see it as a bad choice by any means, considering it's a blood curse that can be easily transmitted to humans

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It would be great to see some npcs on silvermoon there is an allerian elf who really wanted to go back to silvermoon

That's why a world revamp would be so cool, because we could really get more depth how the races have evolved and interact with other groups.

It's kind of a bummer we didn't get any new flavor NPC's with the new customizations; like how cool would have been to see a Wildhammer Dwarf walking around Ironforge with their Gryphon?

It really comes across as them not wanting to reflect these new customizations on the lore at all, and that's a shame. It would have been so easy to add a BE NPC with blue eyes saying he just rejoined his people, coming from outland, or a more in depth explanation of VE's even being able to recruit new members.

Adding little bits of flavor text would have been SO easy; if there's not a revamp on the way, it really just is a missed opportunity.