Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varodoc]

Mods (if there are still some left on this section) should just merge this thread and the Void elf megathread. The situation has evolved and the two Thalassian subraces are inextricably connected. Vereesa was even following Alleria in patch 8.2.5. At this point there should just be a megathread dedicated to the in-game playable race known as "Void Elf" and that should be the end of it. Or rename it to "Alliance Elves megathread" if you want.

But most of the talk around here nowadays is about Void elves, as it should be, so you might as well rename this thread.

[Kyriani]

With Void Elves playable, I very much doubt High Elves are even on the table as a possible playable race. I'm in favor of asking for more High Elf customization options for Void Elves, along with other Void customizations naturally, but as a High Elf fan myself, I just don't see them possible anymore.

I agree. While playable alliance high elves were never a likely prospect, that likelihood dropped dramatically once void elves became a thing, and went to nigh zero once void elves got "high elf customization options". Basically void elves are our alliance high elves and blizzard gave us customization options to portray them as such. A few more hair color options would finish the look and ultimately end this back and forth that's been going on for years.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Mods (if there are still some left on this section) should just merge this thread and the Void elf megathread. The situation has evolved and the two Thalassian subraces are inextricably connected. Vereesa was even following Alleria in patch 8.2.5. At this point there should just be a megathread dedicated to the in-game playable race known as "Void Elf" and that should be the end of it. Or rename it to "Alliance Elves megathread" if you want.

But most of the talk around here nowadays is about Void elves, as it should be, so you might as well rename this thread.

That's complete nonsense. The interest is still distinctly in High Elves, even if it involves achieving this through the use of Void Elves. Why would they merge the threads?

[Varodoc]

I agree. While playable alliance high elves were never a likely prospect, that likelihood dropped dramatically once void elves became a thing, and went to nigh zero once void elves got "high elf customization options". Basically void elves are our alliance high elves and blizzard gave us customization options to portray them as such. A few more hair color options would finish the look and ultimately end this back and forth that's been going on for years.

In the end we'll just have to wait for 10.0, where naturally allied races will receive the same amount of customization options that core races got. It's obvious that Blizzard said "we don't have any plans for future options" just so that they can them come out of nowhere and say "surprise! Here are some options for all these races!". I was thinking that the new options could come by 9.3 already, but judging by how pathetic the Shadowlands development cycle has been so far... 10.0 it is.

[Eleann]

With Void Elves playable, I very much doubt High Elves are even on the table as a possible playable race. I'm in favor of asking for more High Elf customization options for Void Elves, along with other Void customizations naturally.

My propositions for Void elves:

- Hair colors: White (Draenei / LFD white), Black (Jet Black), Void Blonde (a Kul'tiran blonde with some dark blue highlights or even the edges of the hair dipped in void to indicate the extent of void corruption).

- Hair styles: The ''ship shape'' look from Kul'tirans with the hair up, and the ''admiralty'' look. Maybe even a braid. Also a long, plain hairstyle for the males, and one with short, fuzzy hair.

- Void tattoos: Alleria style tattoos.

- Eyes: Black eyes and N'zoth style eyes.

Again, here is the Void blonde commission Ramavatarama did for me. It absolutely SLAYS:

https://imgur.com/a/BFjV9fq

[Kyriani]

In the end we'll just have to wait for 10.0, where naturally allied races will receive the same amount of customization options that core races got.

I'm a bit reluctant to assume we'll get that much from 10.0 after blizzard dropped the "no more customization for the rest of shadowlands" announcement. I hope you're right though. I'd love to see every race get a lot more options.

It's obvious that Blizzard said "we don't have any plans for future options" just so that they can them come out of nowhere and say "surprise! Here are some options for all these races!". I was thinking that the new options could come by 9.3 already, but judging by how pathetic the Shadowlands development cycle has been so far... 10.0 it is.

I don't think it will be a "surprise" (we all kind fo expect it) so much as blizzard now realizes how popular customization is and they can bill it as feature for the next expansion. I want to believe they will go bigger with their focus on customization in 10.0 since they now know that it will garner positive feedback, but it's hard to trust after that previous blizzconline announcement.

I am expecting some amount of customization added, particularly for the allied races, though less so for void elves since they did get some customization in shadowlands whereas most other allied races got fewer or in some cases none at all. That's not to say I don't think void elves will get anything, but rather I think they will get a bit less than the others. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for black hair at the very least, though I'd like to see a few other natural hair colors added (yes, including blonde) so this whole pro vs anti high elf thing can finally be laid to rest.

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My propositions for Void elves:

- Hair colors: White (Draenei / LFD white), Black (Jet Black), Void Blonde (a Kul'tiran blonde with some dark blue highlights or even the edges of the hair dipped in void to indicate the extent of void corruption).

- Hair styles: The ''ship shape'' look from Kul'tirans with the hair up, and the ''admiralty'' look. Maybe even a braid. Also a long, plain hairstyle for the males, and one with short, fuzzy hair.

- Void tattoos: Alleria style tattoos.

- Eyes: Black eyes and N'zoth style eyes.

Again, here is the Void blonde commission Ramavatarama did for me. It absolutely SLAYS:

https://imgur.com/a/BFjV9fq

I'd love to see such options added.

MyWholeLifeIsThunder made this mockup of void elf hair in a few natural tones but with void tinting at the ends:



I thought it was well done. He also did this one which is very pretty:

[FlubberPuddy]

Pretty much those options, along with a black and I'd be happy with how Alliance 'High Elves' turned out

[Eleann]

I'm a bit reluctant to assume we'll get that much from 10.0 after blizzard dropped the "no more customization for the rest of shadowlands" announcement. I hope you're right though. I'd love to see every race get a lot more options.



I don't think it will be a "surprise" (we all kind fo expect it) so much as blizzard now realizes how popular customization is and they can bill it as feature for the next expansion. I want to believe they will go bigger with their focus on customization in 10.0 since they now know that it will garner positive feedback, but it's hard to trust after that previous blizzconline announcement.

I am expecting some amount of customization added, particularly for the allied races, though less so for void elves since they did get some customization in shadowlands whereas most other allied races got fewer or in some cases none at all. That's not to say I don't think void elves will get anything, but rather I think they will get a bit less than the others. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for black hair at the very least, though I'd like to see a few other natural hair colors added (yes, including blonde) so this whole pro vs anti high elf thing can finally be laid to rest.

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I'd love to see such options added.

MyWholeLifeIsThunder made this mockup of void elf hair in a few natural tones but with void tinting at the ends:



I thought it was well done. He also did this one which is very pretty:

Awww yes the last one that ends in this starry fuchsia / red-ish is absolutely amazing. And I love the silver too but would rather have it in proper White version, there are several depictions of proper white ones and most agree with white.

I absolutely love this one that he made https://i.imgur.com/NP0Xpgm.jpg they could alternatively dip the edges of the hair in starcursed dark blue

[Rhlor]

my high elf paladin and auric in queldanas

[Ardenaso]

my high elf paladin and auric in queldanas

oh shoot this made me remember to level up my blood elf toon

[delus]

Since hair dyes are a thing, why not add a RGB color wheel?

[FlubberPuddy]

Since hair dyes are a thing, why not add a RGB color wheel?

They won't do specifically because they consider their different colors as 'options' for the player, like they treat their customization options as a special reward or something.

It's why raid tiers/pvp seasons just have recolors of the same armor type. They consider a shiny armor in silver a higher tier reward than the same one in brown/greys etc.

It's stupid because Void Elves pale skin colors have like 4 the same just slightly different tints.

[Beloren]

With Void Elves playable, I very much doubt High Elves are even on the table as a possible playable race. I'm in favor of asking for more High Elf customization options for Void Elves, along with other Void customizations naturally, but as a High Elf fan myself, I just don't see them possible anymore.

By the way, if anyone wants to join the Void Elf Discord server, this is the link:

discord dot gg/fAXN96Jm

It isn't necessary for them to be a playable faction as long as blizzard keeps the current system. This is because alliance has highborne night elves and void elves which together basically do everything high elves as a faction can do

Void elves give the model, and Highborne night elves have the cultural character of high elves (look at the character of Farondis - its very similar to what i would imagien the high elves would be have), and night elf Highborne now following the Darnassian seem to be like that rather than the more corrupt, super arrogant version we see in Suramar quests and read about.

I also think it's better this way, they can accomplish everything if they let the highborne night elves build the new night elf city becuase face it, they are the main class that does cities.. druids don't, and priests only need a temple, without highborne no point in nihgt elves having a full city, with highborne basically you can have night elf highborne culture for the city that is very much like the high elves, while the druid culture remains in the forest. Adn the void elves provide the model

Then the blood elves are basically unique carrying the Thalassian assets and being one evoluiton of the high elves.

High elves as a faction continue to exist but unplayable, Silver covenant, and other groups etc, one group joins with the ren'dorei which is why we play them as ren'dorei.

I think thi sis the best for now.

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I'm a bit reluctant to assume we'll get that much from 10.0 after blizzard dropped the "no more customization for the rest of shadowlands" announcement. I hope you're right though. I'd love to see every race get a lot more options.



I don't think it will be a "surprise" (we all kind fo expect it) so much as blizzard now realizes how popular customization is and they can bill it as feature for the next expansion. I want to believe they will go bigger with their focus on customization in 10.0 since they now know that it will garner positive feedback, but it's hard to trust after that previous blizzconline announcement.

I am expecting some amount of customization added, particularly for the allied races, though less so for void elves since they did get some customization in shadowlands whereas most other allied races got fewer or in some cases none at all. That's not to say I don't think void elves will get anything, but rather I think they will get a bit less than the others. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for black hair at the very least, though I'd like to see a few other natural hair colors added (yes, including blonde) so this whole pro vs anti high elf thing can finally be laid to rest.

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I'd love to see such options added.

MyWholeLifeIsThunder made this mockup of void elf hair in a few natural tones but with void tinting at the ends:



I thought it was well done. He also did this one which is very pretty:

Yes, this actually looks really good on void elves, they should have this effect on their hair, , rather than be an additional hair option, it should be a toggle tot urn on or off, so you can have the void colour influenced lower half or not.

The stars effect are good, although i would suggest the night elves get the silver starlets, while the void leves get a a purple colour version.

[Kyriani]

Yes, this actually looks really good on void elves, they should have this effect on their hair, , rather than be an additional hair option, it should be a toggle tot urn on or off, so you can have the void colour influenced lower half or not.

The stars effect are good, although i would suggest the night elves get the silver starlets, while the void leves get a a purple colour version.

I do like the idea of toggles in general for modifications to various customization for all races, if only because it gives us more granular choices. For example, I really wish the Blood Elf hairstyle with the tiara had a toggle to hide the tiara. I like the hairstyle but I don't always want the tiara and don't always want to be pigeonholed into a color scheme that works with the tiara's gold and green.

[Beloren]

I think most people have accepted this is how it's going to be. High elves as a playable faction may be finished, but I feel it should happen in a massive elf focus shift from the horde to the alliance - but that is for faction purpose.

Ofc, that shift of focus can happen without a playable high elf faction, and I would welcome a night elf Highborne development, the Farondis Highborne community ben showed more in the vein we saw and that characterising the Highborne and them along with the ancient druids building an awesome new kaldorei city.. with the kaldorei city being home to high elves too and sharing with city priests types, is fine. while forest home can still remain as a druidic thing can work.

Void elves will have the model for players, and i hope they eventually get a city of their own as it would be a unique opportunity for a new version of Thalassian architecture.

high elf fans will like kaldorei Highborne and would like good elven developments

yeh, that's what I said.


If blizzard had fully developed the night elves, they wouldn't need or even want high elves necessarily. At least not to this level.. if they had:

1. fixed and improved the night elf model properly in 6.0
2. buffed up the night elf civilization like they did for Suramar - so you have elven civilization through the night elves, as well as forest society through the drudis - no one would want Silvermoon and Quel'thalas.

We would be happy with our blood elves, you with your night elves.

The night elves have in their lore the night version of what the high elf civilization is, and it's supposed to be nicer - but they created this issue of alliance fans really wanting to high elves by keeping your night elves down.

But now it's fine, high elves through void elves is good enough , and the culture of the high elves shown properly through their original nighte lven versions is poetic justice i think that doesn't interfere with the blood elves.

All you need now is :

1. blonde hair options for void elves
2. A nice kaldorei civilization city -

And so we can end the cry for playable high elf faction once and for all.

I think elves in both factions are in a good place:

Horde:
1. Have the Thalassian civilization and the nation of blood elves with the ability to experience the full range of the Thalassians: Farstriders, forest, magisters, city and all the cultural flair of the Thalassians
2. Have a night elf civilization city with it's arcane civilization elves of the night elves. This is only the civilization side

Alliance
1. Has the Kaldorei people: The full breadth, the druids, the Highborne, the priests, the Illidari. they have the great forests and the kaldorei civilization, but with the Zin'Azshari type style
2. Void elves which have a unique version fo the Thalassians.. it's not hte original high elf one, but high elves are involved too, so it's a new variation, which can also be quite nice. They have the models at least but not the original Thalassian culture


I think it's fine like this, you get a high elven civilization through the night elves, and you also get a better forest culture through the night elves too - the night leves are a big race.. you also get a new type of Thalassian civilization from the void elves. You don't have a city for that yet but you will


The alliance RELALY doesn't need to get Silvermoon or Suramar - you have enough for blizzard to cerate a different pair of cities for you. a City for night elves that deserves that civilization Highborne style, and one of void elves that reflects the void difference.


i don't even mind if elves are bigger o n the alliance, because you've got night elves who are massive, and in void elves you get enough flavour of the high elves even if it's in void style - the horde doesn't need to lose Silvermoon or Quel'thalas or Suramar.
Fight for blizzard to give you really cool stuff for Night elves and void elves instead of trying to take the ones they gave back to the alliance. Everyone knows that blood elves are a version of high elves, and nightborne a version of night elves, but the way it is it works nicely on the horde, and you have a powerful show of night elf civilization character in the Farondis and in Zin'Azshari warbringers, a good forest representation throughout wow and now you have void elves, with high elf customisations..

you just need that blonde hair and the cities.

In night elves you get 100% Elven presentation: you got forest elves, and you get dark elf civilization full on
in void elves you get human /elf connection and friendship, and you get a unique version of what the blood elves have, with the capability of having high elf and blood elf customisations..

I think it's okay... @Tanaria - wouldn't you agree. I think they're in a good place, they just need to keep developing them.

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I do like the idea of toggles in general for modifications to various customization for all races, if only because it gives us more granular choices. For example, I really wish the Blood Elf hairstyle with the tiara had a toggle to hide the tiara. I like the hairstyle but I don't always want the tiara and don't always want to be pigeonholed into a color scheme that works with the tiara's gold and green.

yeh.. i don't get them sometimes, .. same with the eye options, if you want to have a chromatic eye option, don't add all the combinations as separate eye options, have a toggle for chromatic, and an option to switch them right.

[Rhlor]

oh shoot this made me remember to level up my blood elf toon

I love this quest high elves

[Tanaria]

SNIP

I agree with most, but not regarding the Illidari being the main bulk of the Night Elf faction.
My Demon Hunter is a Blood Elf - he isn't a Fel Elf, he is a Demon Hunter. A Fel Elf is a Felblood Elf or Felborne and I chose Kayn Sunfury as my champion, plus Kayn is the canon choice for those who aren't demon hunters.

If the Illidari do have a small part in the new night elf city and the updated Silvermoon, then it should be there as neutral Ambassadors sent by Kayn and Kor'vos, with Jace Darkweaver and Allari the Soulbinder, the two known former Mages, who are present within the cities. I don't believe the Illidari should be a strict night elf thing or blood elf thing. It should be for both.

I'd also recommend that the new Night Elf city carries on with the same vibes of Darnassus, in terms of Druidism and Elune-worship being the big things, along with Sentinels, Wardens and the Worgen/Gilnean Humans.

Eldre'Thalas should be restored with the West Wing added to the Azeroth Map. This is where Void Elves and High Elves could live, with the Highborne Shen'dralar and the Night Elf Mages who aren't born with Highborne blood.

[Rhlor]

I agree with most, but not regarding the Illidari being the main bulk of the Night Elf faction.
My Demon Hunter is a Blood Elf - he isn't a Fel Elf, he is a Demon Hunter. A Fel Elf is a Felblood Elf or Felborne and I chose Kayn Sunfury as my champion, plus Kayn is the canon choice for those who aren't demon hunters.

If the Illidari do have a small part in the new night elf city and the updated Silvermoon, then it should be there as neutral Ambassadors sent by Kayn and Kor'vos, with Jace Darkweaver and Allari the Soulbinder, the two known former Mages, who are present within the cities. I don't believe the Illidari should be a strict night elf thing or blood elf thing. It should be for both.

I'd also recommend that the new Night Elf city carries on with the same vibes of Darnassus, in terms of Druidism and Elune-worship being the big things, along with Sentinels, Wardens and the Worgen/Gilnean Humans.

Eldre'Thalas should be restored with the West Wing added to the Azeroth Map. This is where Void Elves and High Elves could live, with the Highborne Shen'dralar and the Night Elf Mages who aren't born with Highborne blood.

the illidari will retake black temple

[Tanaria]

the illidari will retake black temple

Maybe, but they've got the whole of Mardum, undisturbed.

I reckon the Black Temple is primarily for the Ashtongue Broken.

[Rhlor]

Maybe, but they've got the whole of Mardum, undisturbed.

I reckon the Black Temple is primarily for the Ashtongue Broken.

They say it in the campaign that once the war is over they would retake black temple