Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

They say it in the campaign that once the war is over they would retake black temple

Well good luck to them.
Hopefully, players characters can take part.

[Beloren]

I agree with most, but not regarding the Illidari being the main bulk of the Night Elf faction.
My Demon Hunter is a Blood Elf - he isn't a Fel Elf, he is a Demon Hunter. A Fel Elf is a Felblood Elf or Felborne and I chose Kayn Sunfury as my champion, plus Kayn is the canon choice for those who aren't demon hunters.

If the Illidari do have a small part in the new night elf city and the updated Silvermoon, then it should be there as neutral Ambassadors sent by Kayn and Kor'vos, with Jace Darkweaver and Allari the Soulbinder, the two known former Mages, who are present within the cities. I don't believe the Illidari should be a strict night elf thing or blood elf thing. It should be for both.

I'd also recommend that the new Night Elf city carries on with the same vibes of Darnassus, in terms of Druidism and Elune-worship being the big things, along with Sentinels, Wardens and the Worgen/Gilnean Humans.

Eldre'Thalas should be restored with the West Wing added to the Azeroth Map. This is where Void Elves and High Elves could live, with the Highborne Shen'dralar and the Night Elf Mages who aren't born with Highborne blood.

Agreed.

i kinda veiw the illidari as a largely leaning night elf body, but it's not the typical night elf one, it's more in the psirit of hte original pre-sundeirng kaldorei that view all elves as one. Demon hunters call each other brothers, and that is how they refer to both kaldorei, sin'dorei and others.

It appers to them, that all elves are their family. They are just skewed night elf because the more experienced and senior members would have more night elves in it.


Just like i feel the DKs are skewed forsaken because they are undead, the WPL Kolitra/Thassaurian quest kinda highlights closer ties with the forsaken than any other raec, because of their undead nature.. however unlike demon hunters, every race can be DKs

I'd also recommend that the new Night Elf city carries on with the same vibes of Darnassus, in terms of Druidism and Elune-worship being the big things, along with Sentinels, Wardens and the Worgen/Gilnean Humans.

Eldre'Thalas should be restored with the West Wing added to the Azeroth Map. This is where Void Elves and High Elves could live, with the Highborne Shen'dralar and the Night Elf Mages who aren't born with Highborne blood.

The night elves are big enough to carry both. And I think players would easily understand that.

If we follow on the vein from the other topic.. I think Hyjal should have that priest and druid vibe, but the thing is the priest vibe is very Highborne and night elf civilization - the two aren't really separate. The druid vibe is more understandably shown in a city via animals, and gardens and parks. I'm not sure how you would show a druid vibe outside that in a city, seeing as the forests are a 100% druid vibe, - you basically hae some parks in the new city, and lots of gardens and animal creatures - to me that is the druid vibe.


Eldre'thalas can be the "highborne"/"high elf" home.. where they can have weird things an magical wonders.. which won't be seen in the Hyjal city. Being night elven you would have nature and ancient trees, but not more, none of the wide variety of flora and fauna, and more richly guilded.

that's really the only real difference between the two - Highborne places will have more ornamentation like this:
If you observe, it has nature, but far more controlled, uniform etc, and relatively less than the commons area. It's still more nature than most cities of other races.



While the Hyjal and normal kaldorei have a lot more of this




But if they use the Zin'Azshari colour scheme it fits for high elves too.. look at this:

This has much more buildings, much less nature, but it has nature.



compare to this



As you can see this has a lot more green, their are gardens and plants all over, even some of the buildings have nature crawling tot he top and you can clearly see some have gardens on top of them too.

To me, this sort of place feels like a night elf city but also one the high elves would be at home with..it's got the blue and gold, but with the added star patterns of the kaldorei and moon symbols, the buildings are kaldorei but they have a high elf feel to them too.

Tbh, that should be their city. And be done with.. no more grasping for Silvermoon or Suramar. high elves and night elves can be happy.

I think your suggestion of a two city would work.. a smaller more spiritual one on Hyjal, and the bigger more elaborate in Dire Maul for Highborne and high elves.

IF we have high elves heavily involved with Highborne and with void elves.. i think no one would feel the need to ask for a High elf faction any longer. As long as blizzard don't disperse the NPC ones. Silver Covenant can remain in Dalaran or move to Eldre'thalas. The name even fits the high elves.

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The reason you are doing this is for both the high elves and night elves. As druids don't require a city, Hyjal can have a temple and some trees, with the odd municipal building. Tight small.

Eldre'thalas can be the city.. it will be modelled like this here, and will also boast a temple and parks, it would be Highborne/high elf culture mostly, but it would be clear that the priesthood is the most powerful caste, and while druids don't live or dwell there , except for the parks, everyone hangs on their words. Malfurion Stormrage and Tyrande are still the two most powerful night elves. Mordant Evenshade, and even Prince Farondis cannot compete - you'd need Illidan and Azshara to measure up to those two.

The city could have a system and hierarchy that intermixes Highborne and high elves freely too.

I would do a city for the void elves with a void expansion, it would have high elves and blood elves who are with the ren'dorei, but also hopefully new race Ethereals and others, it would be a void themed place and it can show the high elf/ void elf connection more powerfully, but also that of other races, including a sect of void draenei . It would be even more interesting if the Mag'har also were involved with the city, but the faction cries that move may bring is exactly what pisses me off about factions.

[Vaedan]

I do like the idea of toggles in general for modifications to various customization for all races, if only because it gives us more granular choices. For example, I really wish the Blood Elf hairstyle with the tiara had a toggle to hide the tiara. I like the hairstyle but I don't always want the tiara and don't always want to be pigeonholed into a color scheme that works with the tiara's gold and green.

I also support more toggles in customizations. Night elf vines are good example. I believe you mentioned void elf hair tentacles are natural candidate for toggle candidate, but some hairstyles would look clunky without them. Perhaps we could replace tentacle with hair braids? That would look really good on some hairstyles, not to mention cool Ranger vibe that would provide.

I'd love to see such options added.

MyWholeLifeIsThunder made this mockup of void elf hair in a few natural tones but with void tinting at the ends:



I thought it was well done. He also did this one which is very pretty:

Certainly very fitting for void elves. MyLifeIsThunder showed there is lot of potential to expand void elf options without copying blood elf features. Really good work.

Again, here is the Void blonde commission Ramavatarama did for me. It absolutely SLAYS:

https://imgur.com/a/BFjV9fq

Absolutely amazing.

[Razion]

I'd love to see such options added.

MyWholeLifeIsThunder made this mockup of void elf hair in a few natural tones but with void tinting at the ends:



I thought it was well done. He also did this one which is very pretty:

What the fuck, those are awesome.

[Kyriani]

I also support more toggles in customizations. Night elf vines are good example. I believe you mentioned void elf hair tentacles are natural candidate for toggle candidate, but some hairstyles would look clunky without them. Perhaps we could replace tentacle with hair braids? That would look really good on some hairstyles, not to mention cool Ranger vibe that would provide.

I wouldn't mind multiple options to replace them with regular hair, braids, or outright hiding them. Let the subjective taste of the player decide how "clunky" it looks. Freedom of choice is something I value greatly.

[Aurorai3]

Your article is awesome

[Leinadh]

Indeed those are awesome.

I’d love a few more Voidy hair colors for Void Elves as well though, like white, brown or blond with Void highlights.

Tattoos would be awesome as well

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Thank y'all! I really need to get back to learning blender 2.9 lol

I wouldn't mind multiple options to replace them with regular hair, braids, or outright hiding them. Let the subjective taste of the player decide how "clunky" it looks. Freedom of choice is something I value greatly.

Ah I remember when I removed all the tentacles from the VE hairstyles but don't remember where that image is now XD! regardless, I did believe all of then looked alright so a toggle would work well enough. Now, the option to toggle that for braids? now that would be just awesome!





Bringing this back too because it would really be a cool way of adding variety and choice.

[Kyriani]

I still have the images of when you removed the tentacles!





I really like the look of some of them with no tentacles or braids at all. Obviously nothing at all in place of the tentacles would work better with some styles than others. But imagine if we could just pick between tentacles, braids, or nothing there!

[Eleann]

@Beloren

City for night elves that deserves that civilization Highborne style, and one of void elves that reflects the void difference.
I don't even mind if elves are bigger on the alliance, because you've got night elves who are massive, and in void elves you get enough flavour of the high elves even if it's in void style - the horde doesn't need to lose.

I completely agree with you. The Alliance has its own unique features, but like you said, to progress the Alliance developments they need to build a proper and glorious Night Elf Capital again. They can also expand Telogrus into a smaller Void Elf capital in which High elves will be welcomed, and those wishing to explore the Void more.

But first those players who flood the US forums with their constant arguments and conflicts against Void elves having any theme other than Void and Goth must understand that all races in WoW are entitled to some variety. They cannot argue we need more blue and purple when we already have so much of it.

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@MyWholeLifeIsThunder could you please post on here the image from Nessa with her blonde hair and Void Highlights you did for me? Here it is https://imgur.com/a/s5N4kn9
I have no rights to post pictures! Whaaaa!!

[Beloren]

@Beloren


I completely agree with you. The Alliance has its own unique features, but like you said, to progress the Alliance developments they need to build a proper and glorious Night Elf Capital again. They can also expand Telogrus into a smaller Void Elf capital in which High elves will be welcomed, and those wishing to explore the Void more.

But first those players who flood the US forums with their constant arguments and conflicts against Void elves having any theme other than Void and Goth must understand that all races in WoW are entitled to some variety. They cannot argue we need more blue and purple when we already have so much of it.

100% agreed.

the themes of the night elves - star and moon lit night
Nightborne - dark night

blood elves - the sun and blood gems
high elves - the sun and forest green

void elves - the void and twisting nether space


Are the 3 distinct styles they can cater to quite well. night elf has it's own incredible architecture it shares with the nightborne, - the differences seem to be in shades.. While Suramar is night elven, been the home of the nightborne, let's see if they build new stuff they build in that colour scheme, in contrast night elves would have similar styles but in moon light white, with glowing stars in gold and silver like we see in Zin'Azshari, which actually fits well as a home for the alliance high elves who should feel welcome amongst Highborne kind. Night elves will also have a forest architecture style which is what is used for rural areas.


Blood elf: This architecture is my favourite, and I'd love to see it expanded upon, the colour schemes of gold, white and red are very beautiful.. high elves swapped the read with blue, but since they are not there atm, red rules the day. There is no modification between high elf and blood elf, just a different colour


Void elevs I would really like to see the blood elf architecture have a void elf spin to it.. did you notice how the naga architecture was coral and pearl themed spin on the night elf architecture.. this is how you would adapt blood elf architecture for Void elves, it would feel different, like the naga do from normal night elf stuff , but very noticeable based off of the blood elf one too. that void tendril and wings like we have on the heritage armor for void elves w could work well.. so they'll have amended tower tops, colour schemes and maybe slightly amended tower shapes too.


If blizzard do night elves and ovid elves well, there will never be a need for the alliance to have Silvermoon or Suramar, and the desire would be much lower because they got cool stuff too.

There is enough diveristy amognst the elven groups to go around. Nightborne and night elves are pretty much the same civilziation and race, high, blood end void the same.

I think that Telogrus Rift city would be much cooler than having an underground or cave city. I can see high elves living in both, the purer high elf groups, like maybe the silver Cvoenant and Dalaran high elves would move to the night elf capital, the ones who are joining the ren'dorei would move to Telogrus rift to continue their void studies

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

@Beloren


I completely agree with you. The Alliance has its own unique features, but like you said, to progress the Alliance developments they need to build a proper and glorious Night Elf Capital again. They can also expand Telogrus into a smaller Void Elf capital in which High elves will be welcomed, and those wishing to explore the Void more.

But first those players who flood the US forums with their constant arguments and conflicts against Void elves having any theme other than Void and Goth must understand that all races in WoW are entitled to some variety. They cannot argue we need more blue and purple when we already have so much of it.

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@MyWholeLifeIsThunder could you please post on here the image from Nessa with her blonde hair and Void Highlights you did for me? Here it is https://imgur.com/a/s5N4kn9
I have no rights to post pictures! Whaaaa!!

Thar se goes!

Also, Nessa



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I really like the look of some of them with no tentacles or braids at all. Obviously nothing at all in place of the tentacles would work better with some styles than others. But imagine if we could just pick between tentacles, braids, or nothing there!

Thank you for saving them! And yeah, for some does work better than others, but dang, just imagine the possibilities alone if they were toggable!

Now, add braids to that, and we have perfection.

[Eleann]

Wheeeeeee in love agaiiin thank you soooo much @MyWholeLifeIsThunder - now that's what I'm talking about, yes it could be a bit more work for Blizzard, but it's definitely worth it because then anti-Helfers cannot say we look exactly like Belfs. We will have some unique features to them while establishing variety at the same time.
@Beloren

Void elves I would really like to see the blood elf architecture have a void elf spin to it.. did you notice how the naga architecture was coral and pearl themed spin on the night elf architecture.. this is how you would adapt blood elf architecture for Void elves, it would feel different, like the naga do from normal night elf stuff , but very noticeable based off of the blood elf one too. that void tendril and wings like we have on the heritage armor for void elves w could work well.. so they'll have amended tower tops, colour schemes and maybe slightly amended tower shapes too.
If blizzard do night elves and void elves well, there will never be a need for the alliance to have Silvermoon or Suramar, and the desire would be much lower because they got cool stuff too.

Horde can relax with Silvermoon and Suramar no one is taking that from them. Let's not put all eggs in one basket . But I see what you are saying, that basically there will be no need to be JEALOUS of Silvermoon and Suramar if good work is done with the new Night Elf and Void Elf capitals! Crystal-clear lakes and waterfalls, lovely temples and updated tiger mounts even in the new Nelf place, and starcursed void crystals, tower tops, and dark blue lined decor on the buildings for Telogrus! Also, what I would love, a voidy forest with dark purple trees shining with little voidy stars on them, pathways lined with such forests and the ground would have a space-like starcursed look as well. Yes it would be dark, but it would be beautiful and unique. xxx

[Beloren]

Elven Colour Schemes


Night elves - mostly white (repreesenting moon and stars) with sky blue, dusk blue, midnight blue, and light purple shades
Nightborne - cream beige, deeper purples and mauves

Blood elves - Yellow/gold (representing sun), reds and white
High elves - Yellow/gold, white and blue
Void elves - Gold, deep purple, dark purple, dark blue

[Kyriani]

Thank you for saving them! And yeah, for some does work better than others, but dang, just imagine the possibilities alone if they were toggable!

Now, add braids to that, and we have perfection.

I think these styles in particular work well with no tentacles or braids, but it would be great to be able to choose what's there. Tentacles, braids, just more hair, or nothing!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I think these styles in particular work well with no tentacles or braids, but it would be great to be able to choose what's there. Tentacles, braids, just more hair, or nothing!

Exactly; if anything, Night Elves options prove how much variety a toggle option can add for hairstyles, I'd really like to see more of it across the board, and tentacles is a natural choice for the VE model.

Not only because it gives us more tentacle-less options, but because we could ALSO have tentacles on the hairstyles that don't have them!

[Beloren]

Wheeeeeee in love agaiiin thank you soooo much @MyWholeLifeIsThunder - now that's what I'm talking about, yes it could be a bit more work for Blizzard, but it's definitely worth it because then anti-Helfers cannot say we look exactly like Belfs. We will have some unique features to them while establishing variety at the same time.
@Beloren


Horde can relax with Silvermoon and Suramar no one is taking that from them. Let's not put all eggs in one basket . But I see what you are saying, that basically there will be no need to be JEALOUS of Silvermoon and Suramar if good work is done with the new Night Elf and Void Elf capitals! Crystal-clear lakes and waterfalls, lovely temples and updated tiger mounts even in the new Nelf place, and starcursed void crystals, tower tops, and dark blue lined decor on the buildings for Telogrus! Also, what I would love, a voidy forest with dark purple trees shining with little voidy stars on them, pathways lined with such forests and the ground would have a space-like starcursed look as well. Yes it would be dark, but it would be beautiful and unique. xxx

You know, this could have been the main problem with alliance elf fans all this time, failure to do them well on the alliance, or rather well enough ended up causing a lot of coveting of what was given to the horde. With such a disparity existing, alliance players to whom the elves first appeared in relation to, were always going to feel that was more their stuff.

The faction division is also to blame as well because people think of it first as "alliance" or "horde" stuff rather than actually it just been elven stuff, whether Night elven (kaldorei/shal'dorei) or Thalassian (high/blood/void) - which will happen when only one faction can call a home with crystal clear lakes, waterfalls, temples and magical mounts home, while the other just doesn't measure up.

It will be interesting what they do now, previously, it was understandable the horde got the shiny gems because it needed the numbers, but now it's the alliance that does, will the elves once more be the pivoting factor or the balancing factor for the two factions?

If alliance elves are just as glorious and fantastical presented with full night elf package and a void version of the high elf package, will it help shift a few players back, enough to balance the scales rather than emptying the horde of Silvermoon/blood elves and of Suramar/Nightborne - which while the lazier option, would piss a hell of a lot more people off rather than encourage them.

@ravenmoon This is basically how they should do it. With your elves showing the best of the night elves and the void elves without taking Silvermoon and Suramar, I'm sure those who joined the horde for those races because they felt night elves and void elves were been shat on and shafted, will probably be drawn back. Also the wow factor of being "the new city and having hte new stuff" is all the bang you need - if you set it up with some encouraging displays... without touching the horde at all.

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You know this is never going to happen right?. These are "Void Elves"....

Why won't it happen because they are void elves? I'm not following.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

You know this is never going to happen right?. These are "Void Elves"....

Dude for real it's not our job to pay you any attention.

Like let's the insanity of you saying "so unbelievable for a Void Elf to have braids and blonde hair" and then the racial leader is Alleria Windrunner.

Like please sir, this is a Wendy's.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Alleria Windrunner is a High elf, not a Blood elf.
Lore:
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Alleria_Windrunner

Their origins lie with a group of blood elves led by Magister Umbric who were exiled from Silvermoon City

Please stop turning "Void Elves" into High Elves, they are not.

Alleria is literally a High Elf that became a Void Elf -she is, again, literally, called a Void Elf in literature and in game- As if both Blood Elves and High Elves can become Void Elves because they have basically the same biology.

It's Outstanding how you keep being "but the lore" and have absolutely no grasp of... common sense or critical thinking, because your argument is so dense you are basically saying Void Elves will die out the moment that original group is gone? Because for some reason, there can't be another way of making Void Elves.

Despite Alleria literally becoming a Void Elf in a completely different manner.

Babe... BABE.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

And because Alleria is now a Void elf, that makes the Blood elves that turned into Void elves now High elves?....I dont get it. Your logic seems weird....

Babe it's not hard to understand:

-Both High Elves and Blood Elves can become Void Elves.
-You don't have to turn blue to become a Void Elf

I don't remember the Mag'har orcs having the same hair color as the Orgrimmar orcs, or the other way around....

You say that like it is a positive; despite Shadowmoon orcs being presented often with purple hair, when Maghar became playable they don't have the option.

Why is this "But because Alleria is a High elf....now all the rest of the Void elves are now High elves..." crap sounds so wrong?. Simple, because the "Void elves" we use used to be Blood elves, now turned into "Void elves".

So nop, those are not High elves. The High Elves are those who are stranded in Outland, Hinterlands, Loch modan, etc...Those few. Those ARE High elves

Why are you giving Void elves, High elf features, if they are not even High elves?. They used to be Blood elves, but not anymore. They turned forever into purple elves.

It sounds so wrong because YOU KEEP MISSING THE POINT. JFC, Even if Alleria *looks* like a High Elf, she is a Void Elf. How do you not get that?

"Why are you giving Void elves, High elf features, if they are not even High elves?" Is the zenith of how obtuse your opinion is, because, again:

Alleria is literally a Void Elf that looks like a High Elf.

Please, PLEASE, tell me you have the capacity to understand the point even if you disagree with the aesthetic choice that Void Elves should be able to look like Alleria.