Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

But we have also seen pretty much every race working for the Old Gods and the Void, the difference? Thalassians are the only race with an *specific* void themed appearance. The whole question as to "why don't we see void humans then" is kinda moot when a void human texture just doesn't exist.

And again, I am not saying that they aren't Void elves, I'm just saying we can't confirm it either way, because it can simply be using the VE model to portray an elf infused by Void energy, such as Inanas' body. You can't say "they are void elves because they use the model" when we literally have precedent otherwise. Could be, could be not.

void human


we see humans in the same quest and looks like normal humans

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

1 - how did you were able to accept Void Elves getting new eye colors and skin tones?. No, i didn't. I think Void elves lost their identity, same reason i no longer play them.

2 - You keep saying VE's are ONLY of that original accident, so then how do you explain that almost 2 years later they got new options?. For the accident, because "Lore said so" like you put it....No real clue that other elves manage to become Void elves so far.

For the new options. Maybe because the people insisted too much on WoW General Forums for the colors that they made Blizzard commit a mistake?. I dont see any reasons inside the Lore + Gameplay that could explain Void elves to have Blue eyes and normal skin color. Blood Elves however, Quel'dalar quest explain that they feed on the new Sunwell.

3- How does that fit with your idea that the Lore is immutable?. Blizzard used to be really strong on Lore, for example, with transmog. They became more open to allow you to transmog things, that you shouldnt have. For example: Legendaries. Now for races "looks", giving Trolls colors doesn't mean that suddenly the other tribes of trolls joined the horde, there is no lore to explain that, unless Blizzard does that in the future. But for the Elves, they made a clear difference between them for a good reason, and that reason is part with PvP and to the idea of not having repeated races on both sides. Blood elves are unique because of their colors and styles, Void elves are meant to be unique (But sadly people changed them to "Alliance Blood elves"), and be the elves connected with the void and dark magic, according to their story. The ritual that created them was unique as unique it was the process that Alleria took.

Now Alleria "was" a High Elf, now a Void Elf from what i read on the lore. But for the "High Elves", they are not the ones we use as playable. They are still the "Blood elves" that followed Umbric into the Rift. Those are the playable Void elves.

What i dislike about this thread and the other in General Forums, is that "All of you" demand Blizzard to twist the lore to whatever you like, just to play your waifus elves in the alliance, instead of using the already existing ones in the Horde. This is just an example of the selfish behavior, because you break the balance between the two factions. There is a reason that only the Pandaren, are meant to be a Neutral race, that can join both factions. Elves, already choose their faction, in the very intro of the stories and the Void elves, where meant to be an "option" for alliance players, to enjoy the "Blood elf" model, in an entire new race for the Alliance. But it was twisted by demand.

Got it? Are you going to keep up with that hostile attitude filled with "fanaticism" for your elves? or against the Lore?

Otherwise, post your demands on General Discussion in the officials threads instead of twisting this thread too into "I want Void elves to look exactly like the Blood elves". because that is bad already...

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The very idea of the fans twisting the Dunmer to have the same skin colors as an Altmer, would be as horrible as turning the Orcs pink just for the players demands.

That is why Shadowlands reflect poor choices in the gameplay (Because, Blizzard trusted the players demands), while at the same time, broke the identity of the game and the races just for being....lazy.
"High Elves" should have been an entire new race for the Alliance. + the Void elves we already have as a "Dark Elf" version, while the "High elves" as described by the OP of this thread as "Forest" elves with nice tattoos and hairstyles. But i guess people like lazy solutions, that is beyond me to understand...

So therein lies the core issue of your argument: You want Void Elves to be visually distinct from Blood Elves.

In case it hasn't been clear, the whole idea that a race should be defined by their aesthetics rather than ideology is something that I have been against day once, hence why I have always believed that High Elves should have been playable: It doesn't matter how similar they look to BE's when what's interesting about them is their ideology, politics, and beliefs.

So of course I disagree with the notion that Void Elves only have an identity if they have a limited aesthetic, of course I disagree there is a "correct" VE aesthetic when Alleria herself, the original Void Elf, shows the potential of what some Void Elves could be.

That you call something lazy because you simply cannot grasp that the Void Elves could grow beyond what they are now -such as recruiting from High Elves, thus getting some of their aesthetics- is not an issue with Blizzard's lack of effort nor player entitlement, but simply that you do not like it.

YOU want Void Elves to be limited to a restricted aesthetic, when the lore itself already has shown us VE's of different provenance. If anything it's lazy, is to give elves a blue paint job and call them a new race; it's outstanding how the ideas given here to actually add depth to that as a choice is what you call "lazy"

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Why not these ideas, for Void elves:



Or at least Dark Elves maybe?



The idea, is that Void elves doesnt turn into "Alliance Blood elves". That sucks a lot and is lazy af.

This was super original at the moment:

How the hell do you still don't get that Void Elves should be able to be BOTH.

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void human

we see humans in the same quest and looks like normal humans

Come on don't be disingenuous.

[Rhlor]

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Come on don't be disingenuous.

you played Stormsong Valley right? so you know those humans were corrupted by the void

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All of that, just to say: "I want Blood elves" for the Alliance. Instead of asking for a new race.

The problem with you guys, is the level of disappointment you got with the Void Elves. You guys didn't liked them since day one, because they didn't had Blonde hair and Blue eyes. That is all the problem here and almost all the pages of this thread are dedicated just to turn "Void Elves" into "Blood elves". Because why? Because we said so and Blizzard has to do it. (I hope they never give Void elves, Blonde hair)

I really dislike that idea a lot, is killing the game even more with more none sense changes, just to have a waifu race. Thanks god ElderScrolls Online doesn't have something like that going on with the races....

This nonsense kills the game and doesn't that leave us 9 months without content and give us a pathetic 9.1?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

All of that, just to say: "I want Blood elves" for the Alliance. Instead of asking for a new race.

The problem with you guys, is the level of disappointment you got with the Void Elves. You guys didn't liked them since day one, because they didn't had Blonde hair and Blue eyes. That is all the problem here and almost all the pages of this thread are dedicated just to turn "Void Elves" into "Blood elves". Because why? Because we said so and Blizzard has to do it. (I hope they never give Void elves, Blonde hair)

I really dislike that idea a lot, is killing the game even more with more none sense changes, just to have a waifu race. Thanks god ElderScrolls Online doesn't have something like that going on with the races....

Sure, just misconstrue whatever someone is saying to mean what you want, that works!

If you are just going to dismiss any criticism people have towards Void Elves and their implementation, and shut down any ideas because "you just want alliance Blood Elves" you are simply not interested in any discussion, you have already made out your mind about what we want.

If you can't accept that *shockingly* limiting the aesthetics of a race doesn't actually make for a deep sense identity for some people, then what is to argue? Limiting VE aesthetic only for the sake of looking "different" goes anathema to the nuance of the world and people on it, only because you think it's better if there's a simplistic way to sort the races.

And again, the fact we are on the High Elf thread SHOULD HAVE ALREADY CLUED YOU IN on the fact a lot of people here believe ideology is more important than aesthetics.

You are asking for the game to be more simple and limited. Just because you can't grasp the fact that Void Elves could have an aesthetic spectrum between Umbric and Alleria doesn't meant that we "want to turn Void Elves into Blood Elves"; HOW does that make sense when Alleria freaking Windrunner is the ORIGINAL Void Elf?

Your whole argument here is that you want us to have the same limited thinking that you have.

Also just go play ESO if you really want that. It's really good!

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you played Stormsong Valley right? so you know those humans were corrupted by the void

Not every human that has been shown to be working for the old gods has become a tentacle monster like the KT's of Stormsong. Of all the races shown to be minions of the void, only humans even have on the first place. So stop being disingenuous.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

In ElderScrolls online:

The very idea of the fans twisting the Dunmer to have the same skin colors as an Altmer, would be as horrible as turning the Orcs pink just for the players demands.

That is why Shadowlands reflect poor choices in the gameplay (Because, Blizzard trusted the players demands), while at the same time, broke the identity of the game and the races just for being....lazy.
"High Elves" should have been an entire new race for the Alliance. + the Void elves we already have as a "Dark Elf" version, while the "High elves" as described by the OP of this thread as "Forest" elves with nice tattoos and hairstyles. But i guess people like lazy solutions, that is beyond me to understand...

Yes, but the identity of those races is dramatically distinct from the races in WoW. For one, those races were separated by well-defined cultural identities with histories spanning over millennia and a complex racial dynamic. Here, the Thalassian Elves are all sort of just Thalassian. They have literally no difference culturally aside from High Elves being more militant, the Blood Elves being more mature, and the Void Elves being more scholarly.

Comparing these two stories is apples and oranges. They are so distinct that there is no analogue between them, really.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Gosh, this Phoenix is both a High Elf and a Void Elf mood. I really just want more dark blue Void Elf things rather than leaning too much on the purple/gold. Purple/blue and Silver could be amazing.

[Frenchvince]

Gosh, this Phoenix is both a High Elf and a Void Elf mood. I really just want more dark blue Void Elf things rather than leaning too much on the purple/gold. Purple/blue and Silver could be amazing.

This mount has armor that could be Elven !

I wonder if this is a clue regarding the next expansion ?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

This mount has armor that could be Elven !

I wonder if this is a clue regarding the next expansion ?

People on twitter have noticed how the armor itself is completely removable and how that makes the phoenix itself likely to be a mob soon. And it's kinda weird to see Phoenixes in WoW not related to Thalassian culture -I think the only time we have seen phoenixes outside that is the Dark Phoenix mount?-

[Vaedan]

People on twitter have noticed how the armor itself is completely removable and how that makes the phoenix itself likely to be a mob soon. And it's kinda weird to see Phoenixes in WoW not related to Thalassian culture -I think the only time we have seen phoenixes outside that is the Dark Phoenix mount?-

There are also phoenixes in Pandaria, which are not related to thalassians at all. They are not even elemental/magical beigns, such as phoenixes tied to thalassians.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

There are also phoenixes in Pandaria, which are not related to thalassians at all. They are not even elemental/magical beigns, such as phoenixes tied to thalassians.

But like natural phoenixes, yah? So indeed, Phoenixes do come from Azeroth, but it's interesting that they are very related to elves when it comes to be imbued with other powers. So beyond that, the iconography itself IS very thalassian.

But yeah, it could be totally unrelated to elves, but I do agree we will be seeing phoenixes in the future soon.

[Vaedan]

But like natural phoenixes, yah? So indeed, Phoenixes do come from Azeroth, but it's interesting that they are very related to elves when it comes to be imbued with other powers. So beyond that, the iconography itself IS very thalassian.

But yeah, it could be totally unrelated to elves, but I do agree we will be seeing phoenixes in the future soon.

Well, little speculation incoming:

- Pandaria was part of ancient Kalimdor landmass, which was ruled mostly by elves. "Natural" phoenixes, meaning the birds without any magical/elemental powers could be encountered by the ancient elves. They are majestic creatures with vibrant plumes, so they might catch their attention.
- After Sundering, ancient continent was shattered and so the phoenixes remained on the landmass later known as Pandaria. It might become a myth for elves, or maybe a remained of ages past, long lost.
- The symbol of high elves appeared to be phoenix even before Scourging of Quel'thalas (seen in WC3 reforged), but some groups also use a crest with unicorn (a wildrunner). Wildrunners were numerous around Well of Eternity and possibly were used by Highborne. We don't see them in present Quel'thalas at any place, so they might very well be another "mythical" animal which found its way to thalassian symbolism and iconography. That theme was abandoned by blood elves though, replacing this symbol with pheonix for good to symbolize their rebirth. On the other hand, SC elves do use horned horses during WotLK, so they had to get them somewhere.
- Blood elves began to delve into fire magic, reached out Firelands from which they were able to summon elemental phoenixes. They rediscover old iconography and add more depth to it through the phoenix power of rebirth.

So yes, phoenixes are indeed very thalassian. This color variantion definitely feels very Quel/Ren'dorei, making it fine pick for flying mount for high elf roleplayers and even void elf "patriots". I wonder if we get gold/red fiery version of this mount, which is very likely if we get content tied to it. Now I wonder if this is foreshadowing or not. I believe we got that ardenweald dragon as a 6month subscription, right? Also vulpine familiar... We can't say there is not a trend in what kind of mounts we get.

[Ardenaso]

there's Phoenixes in Durotar in Warcraft 3, an egg is required to make Chen Stormstout's brew

[Vaedan]

The first one is just a Blood elf with a banner of the Alliance. Super boring. Where is the identity of being a "Void elf". Or where is the identity of being a "High Elf" if you are choosing those colors.
The second one at least have purple eyes, but blonde hair....is just a Blood elf.

Can you please explain what would you expect from high elves? This is definitely something high elves could look like. At least, they don't have blood elf hairstyles to begin with.

If you want High elves, at least ask for styles, like the original OP of this thread mentioned, that would really make a nice looking "High elf" + being a new race called "High elf".

Why not instead of proposing "blonde/blue eyes", why not "Black hair color, really back + neon purple/blue/black eyes"?

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Why not these ideas, for Void elves:



Or at least Dark Elves maybe?



The idea, is that Void elves doesnt turn into "Alliance Blood elves". That sucks a lot and is lazy af.

This was super original at the moment:

Well, if you took the effort and actually went through people actually suggest here, they want the darker style for void elves too. Pitch black and pure white are indeed among most requested colors for void elves atm and to be honest, it's a shame Blizzard did not included these two from the start.

As for void elf uniqueness, I can certainly live even without blonde hairs as long as I get something like astral elf style (this is concept of Startouched Elf from Dragon Prince series).



As for blonde void elf request - I see no harm in that. It does not go against the Lore, since Alleria herself is a blonde void elf. Some people care about this appearance, some don't. It's always good to have a choice.

[Thundering]

Blizz is not doing anything for the Alliance, it is even spreading to Classic now.

[Gurluas]

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The very idea of the fans twisting the Dunmer to have the same skin colors as an Altmer, would be as horrible as turning the Orcs pink just for the players demands.

That is why Shadowlands reflect poor choices in the gameplay (Because, Blizzard trusted the players demands), while at the same time, broke the identity of the game and the races just for being....lazy.
"High Elves" should have been an entire new race for the Alliance. + the Void elves we already have as a "Dark Elf" version, while the "High elves" as described by the OP of this thread as "Forest" elves with nice tattoos and hairstyles. But i guess people like lazy solutions, that is beyond me to understand...

Chimer are Altmer skinned Dunmer, the original ones in fact. There are players in ESO who want a skin like this to roleplay a Chimer or a half-Altmer.
People always ask for stuff.

But yes, High elves should have been a separate thing I agree.
But since it isn't happening, fixing Void elves to take over the High elf role is what people are going for rn.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Well, little speculation incoming:

- Pandaria was part of ancient Kalimdor landmass, which was ruled mostly by elves. "Natural" phoenixes, meaning the birds without any magical/elemental powers could be encountered by the ancient elves. They are majestic creatures with vibrant plumes, so they might catch their attention.
- After Sundering, ancient continent was shattered and so the phoenixes remained on the landmass later known as Pandaria. It might become a myth for elves, or maybe a remained of ages past, long lost.
- The symbol of high elves appeared to be phoenix even before Scourging of Quel'thalas (seen in WC3 reforged), but some groups also use a crest with unicorn (a wildrunner). Wildrunners were numerous around Well of Eternity and possibly were used by Highborne. We don't see them in present Quel'thalas at any place, so they might very well be another "mythical" animal which found its way to thalassian symbolism and iconography. That theme was abandoned by blood elves though, replacing this symbol with pheonix for good to symbolize their rebirth. On the other hand, SC elves do use horned horses during WotLK, so they had to get them somewhere.
- Blood elves began to delve into fire magic, reached out Firelands from which they were able to summon elemental phoenixes. They rediscover old iconography and add more depth to it through the phoenix power of rebirth.

So yes, phoenixes are indeed very thalassian. This color variantion definitely feels very Quel/Ren'dorei, making it fine pick for flying mount for high elf roleplayers and even void elf "patriots". I wonder if we get gold/red fiery version of this mount, which is very likely if we get content tied to it. Now I wonder if this is foreshadowing or not. I believe we got that ardenweald dragon as a 6month subscription, right? Also vulpine familiar... We can't say there is not a trend in what kind of mounts we get.

There seems there's already a red/orange version on the files! So yeah, I do think we are on a Vulpine Familiar type of deal.

As for the Wildrunners specifically, I think the Quel'dorei Steeds are meant to be that link. Their description "Comes from a lineage of fine horses that once grazed near the shores of the Well of Eternity" makes the connection apparent, so it seems that Wildrunners were present in Quel'thalas, but probably only domesticated, and exist exclusively as mounts related to groups that still keep them, like the Quel'dorei Steed, and the Thalassian Charger (if the horn isn't just decorative).

[Razion]

Well, little speculation incoming:

- Pandaria was part of ancient Kalimdor landmass, which was ruled mostly by elves. "Natural" phoenixes, meaning the birds without any magical/elemental powers could be encountered by the ancient elves. They are majestic creatures with vibrant plumes, so they might catch their attention.
- After Sundering, ancient continent was shattered and so the phoenixes remained on the landmass later known as Pandaria. It might become a myth for elves, or maybe a remained of ages past, long lost.
- The symbol of high elves appeared to be phoenix even before Scourging of Quel'thalas (seen in WC3 reforged), but some groups also use a crest with unicorn (a wildrunner). Wildrunners were numerous around Well of Eternity and possibly were used by Highborne. We don't see them in present Quel'thalas at any place, so they might very well be another "mythical" animal which found its way to thalassian symbolism and iconography. That theme was abandoned by blood elves though, replacing this symbol with pheonix for good to symbolize their rebirth. On the other hand, SC elves do use horned horses during WotLK, so they had to get them somewhere.
- Blood elves began to delve into fire magic, reached out Firelands from which they were able to summon elemental phoenixes. They rediscover old iconography and add more depth to it through the phoenix power of rebirth.

So yes, phoenixes are indeed very thalassian. This color variantion definitely feels very Quel/Ren'dorei, making it fine pick for flying mount for high elf roleplayers and even void elf "patriots". I wonder if we get gold/red fiery version of this mount, which is very likely if we get content tied to it. Now I wonder if this is foreshadowing or not. I believe we got that ardenweald dragon as a 6month subscription, right? Also vulpine familiar... We can't say there is not a trend in what kind of mounts we get.

Phoenixes are also very similar to Hawkstiders, the loyal mounts of the Blood Elves (of which share similarities to Tallstriders). Phoenixes could also potentially be related to Dragonhawks -- which can breathe fire. In the RPG, Dragonhawks are akin to Raptors, which makes sense in that geographically and biologically the elves have lineage tying them to Trolls. The Amani tribe also uses some Dragonhawk loa being channeled in the Zul'Aman raid. Interestingly on Draenor, there were Firehawks as well under Rukhmar (Primal God and progenitor of Kaliri and mother to the Arakkoa). The Phoenix is generally categorized as an elemental though only one noteworthy one was found in the Firelands (Blazewing was considered corrupted by Fandrall, I believe), though the RPG seems to declare them of the Elemental Plane. There were wild ones in the Durotar campaign of WC3. Phoenixes could have been bred into Hawkstriders, Dragonhawks, Raptors, and Tallstriders.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Okay a couple of quick edits with this shade of blonde that I feel compliments Void Elves really well, and also serves for some High Elf fantasy

[Kyriani]

Okay a couple of quick edits with this shade of blonde that I feel compliments Void Elves really well, and also serves for some High Elf fantasy

These are gorgeous! I want them!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

These are gorgeous! I want them!

Thank you !!