1. #24081
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    I don't think applying themes and features from other universes is a good way to go. Wow lore is inspired by many sources, but in the end, it creates its own image of the setting. Also, as other said, you also misinterpret WoW elf races a bit.

    High elves are not in fact pure elves. Night elves are. High elves are descendants of Highborne who abused Arcane magic of Well of Eternity. Their appearance changed greatly thanks to their exposure to the Sunwell once they founded Quel'thalas.

    The level of Fel corruption blood elves were exposed was not that dramatic. Green eyes and darker skin tones are result of Fel Radiation from crystals found in Quel'thalas, but majority of population siphoned magic from vermins and critters, and even sentient beings in some cases. Only very few blood elves directly fed upon demonic magic and these elves were either Kael's felblood elves or illidari recruits. The main difference between quel'dorei and sin'dorei has always been political and philosophical.

    Void elves did not started their practises of the Void out of thirst for magic. Their thirst has been sated by the Sunwell for years now. Their motivation was exploration of new source of magic, which is largely unknown and is full of potential. Umbrics notes says to do so to defend Quel'thalas from harm, not to harness these powers for selfish ends, so their motives are not entirely selfish. Eventually, Void elves turned out to be more freethinkers and visionaries, moving past established boundaries of their society. Unfortunately, their research was considered dangerous for Sunwell, so they were exiled. In their aestetics, they are more of "Space elf" then "dark elf" from the very beginning. Just look at their heritage armor.
    Aww, adorable. You're trying to use logic with this guy. The more you correct his takes by pointing out the glaringly obvious, the more he will continue to tell you to "read the lore" that you're presently talking about and using as a source.

    I've pointed these all out before. He'll find an avenue. He always will.

  2. #24082
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    From what i marked
    1) Blood elves feed on Fel, all of them. If you ever done the starting zone in BC, Blood elves feed from the Fel crystals located everywhere in their settlements. The ones feeding on creatures, like in their starting zone, are just for emergency, since its not enough for them. All Blood elves have green eyes, according to the lore description, and this means they feed on Fel (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_elf).

    2) My mention, is related to the point that in Elder Scrolls, High elves are Altmer and live in the Summerset islands (i love those islands!). And the elves that left the island traveled around Tamriel and "evolved" according to the situation they found themselves into (Dunmer, Orsimer, Bosmer, Ayleid, Dwemer, Maormer, etc), some by curse other by the nature of the place they lived. High elves in WoW changed because of their lifestyle + Sunwell use. And they need to constantly feed on it (Maybe not everyday, but at least certain years, like its mentioned in that Sunwell quest (Quel'Dalar: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sunwell) where you have High elves and Blood elves pilgrims visiting the Sunwell). The ES mention, was just an example.

    3) Once again, the reason they are called Void elves, is because they "Live" feeding from the void, turning them purple and giving them a Preternatural Calm (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Preternatural_Calm). They long time ago, used to be High elves (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf), but not anymore. They became a new race with new features, just like the Blood elves did (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_elf)
    1) Incorrect. Not all blood elves fed upon Fel. Even during their darkest times, feeding upon Fel was not established largely among sin'dorei. Only most reckless elves who followed Kael and/or Illidan did so and it resulted in their transformation to either Felblood elves or Illidari demon hunters. Blood elves as a group practised mana draining from living beings, which was critised by other elves, who were later exiled by Lor'themar. These elves decided to not adopt blood elf way of life, so they kept the High elf name and chose to live either under Alliance protection, or established various lodges around northern Eastern Kingdoms. But that's it. They remained high elves because they did not want do things they considered unethical, not because they were not mutated by Fel. Most of blood elves were not affected by Fel either, they just had green eye glow. Now, few years later, this sign of fel corruption is being cleansed and blood elves now have blue, purple and gold eyes too.

    2) ESO lore is irelevant to WoW lore. Tamriel has greatly different foundation, rules, basically everything. Azeroth is build on entirely different foundation, so you can't really compare the two and pretend they can have same features. They might have similar concepts, but that's it.

    3) I don't know about any case in which Void elves feed upon Void. They study it, they harness it, they control it. If you actually spend some time in Telogrus and NPCs dialogues, Void elves initiates are thought to be vary of the Void and question its whispers, on the contrary of embracing it and becoming one with it. They see Void as a tool, or as a weapon. They want to explore Its potential, but rather in a scientific way. They do not worship it. Also, both Alleria and Umbric made it clear they wish Silvermoon to be part of the Alliance eventually, so there is a notion of some homesickness and similar sentiments among them. The thing is, we still don't have much material on Void elf society and their goals to the future. I guess that will be expanded in potential Void vs Light expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Aww, adorable. You're trying to use logic with this guy. The more you correct his takes by pointing out the glaringly obvious, the more he will continue to tell you to "read the lore" that you're presently talking about and using as a source.

    I've pointed these all out before. He'll find an avenue. He always will.
    Yes, I've already read the discussion and it seems my points will fall to deaf ears, but I couldn't help myself either

    What I find amusing is that he is constantly accusing others of lack of lore knowledge, yet he alone brings in utterly fabricated, misinterpreted or straight out incorrect information (which are directly compromised by very wowiki articles he keeps linking).

    But you know, I'm in the train now, more then 3 hours of journey ahead of me, so I got some time to spend on this discussion
    Last edited by Vaedan; 2021-06-07 at 03:35 PM.

  3. #24083
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Aww, adorable. You're trying to use logic with this guy. The more you correct his takes by pointing out the glaringly obvious, the more he will continue to tell you to "read the lore" that you're presently talking about and using as a source.

    I've pointed these all out before. He'll find an avenue. He always will.
    You attitude of "Robert Edwin House" is kinda useless here. This is not Fallout, and you clearly lack the ability to make your points valid. You provide no source and just personal opinions to what you may believe is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    1) Incorrect. Not all blood elves fed upon Fel. Even during their darkest times, feeding upon Fel was not established largely among sin'dorei. Only most reckless elves who followed Kael and/or Illidan did so and it resulted in their transformation to either Felblood elves or Illidari demon hunters. Blood elves as a group practised mana draining from living beings, which was critised by other elves, who were later exiled by Lor'themar. These elves decided to not adopt blood elf way of life, so they kept the High elf name and chose to live either under Alliance protection, or established various lodges around northern Eastern Kingdoms. But that's it. They remained high elves because they did not want do things they considered unethical, not because they were not mutated by Fel. Most of blood elves were not affected by Fel either, they just had green eye glow. Now, few years later, this sign of fel corruption is being cleansed and blood elves now have blue, purple and gold eyes too.

    2) ESO lore is irelevant to WoW lore. Tamriel has greatly different foundation, rules, basically everything. Azeroth is build on entirely different foundation, so you can't really compare the two and pretend they can have same features. They might have similar concepts, but that's it.

    3) I don't know about any case in which Void elves feed upon Void. They study it, they harness it, they control it. If you actually spend some time in Telogrus and NPCs dialogues, Void elves initiates are thought to be vary of the Void and question its whispers, on the contrary of embracing it and becoming one with it. They see Void as a tool, or as a weapon. They want to explore Its potential, but rather in a scientific way. They do not worship it. Also, both Alleria and Umbric made it clear they wish Silvermoon to be part of the Alliance eventually, so there is a notion of some homesickness and similar sentiments among them. The thing is, we still don't have much material on Void elf society and their goals to the future. I guess that will be expanded in potential Void vs Light expansion.
    1) Incorrect. "Blood elves who were most loyal to Kael'thas Sunstrider were gifted by Kil'jaeden with the privilege of engorging themselves on copious amounts of demonic blood, seemingly hastening their demonic evolution into what have come to be known as felblood elves, developing a variety of demonic traits in the process. Those blood elves and high elves who succumb to their magical addiction and descend into madness are counted among the Wretched." - from https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_elf. This mean the worst case of corruption happened to Kael'thas minions, but the Blood elves in Quel'thalas siphoned Fel crystals and then the Naru M'uru (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Knights), from where they got their holy powers.

    2) ESO lore is an example. Not meant to be taken for WoW at 100%. I just used it for an example of Elves evolution. Elves migration in WoW caused similar effects.

    3) "Void elves (or ren'dorei, "children of the Void" in Thalassian)[1] are a race of Void-infused elves affiliated with the Alliance." (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf)

    At that moment, the cube opened with an explosion, allowing Nether-Prince Durzaan — the corrupt ethereal who had stalked Alleria and made an attempt to claim the Sunwell — to surge into Telogrus. Durzaan immediately began a spell to capture and corrupt Umbric and his followers, binding them in an attempt to transform the elves into creatures of the void. Alleria, swearing to save her brothers and sisters, fought a brutal battle to free Umbric and slay the Nether-Prince. Displaying her fortitude, neither Durzaan's power nor his offers to share it were enough to sway Alleria's resolve, as she made clear to Umbric that the whispers are not to be trusted. Alleria succeeded in killing Durzaan, and while their minds and souls were still their own, the sin'dorei had been transformed by the ritual: now, having consumed the void as Alleria had, they had achieved new powers as well as a dangerous susceptibility to its whispers. Alleria immediately offered her aid, wanting to help her transformed kin understand and control their new forms and powers; and Umbric, apologizing for his arrogance, happily accepted. Since Umbric felt that Silvermoon had turned its back on him and his people long ago, Umbric and the void elves swore their allegiance to Alleria and the Alliance. Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf


    Reminder: Read the Lore.

  4. #24084
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    You attitude of "Robert Edwin House" is kinda useless here. This is not Fallout, and you clearly lack the ability to make your points valid. You provide no source and just personal opinions to what you may believe is correct.

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    1) Incorrect. "Blood elves who were most loyal to Kael'thas Sunstrider were gifted by Kil'jaeden with the privilege of engorging themselves on copious amounts of demonic blood, seemingly hastening their demonic evolution into what have come to be known as felblood elves, developing a variety of demonic traits in the process. Those blood elves and high elves who succumb to their magical addiction and descend into madness are counted among the Wretched." - from https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_elf. This mean the worst case of corruption happened to Kael'thas minions, but the Blood elves in Quel'thalas siphoned Fel crystals and then the Naru M'uru (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Knights), from where they got their holy powers.

    2) ESO lore is an example. Not meant to be taken for WoW at 100%. I just used it for an example of Elves evolution. Elves migration in WoW caused similar effects.

    3) "Void elves (or ren'dorei, "children of the Void" in Thalassian)[1] are a race of Void-infused elves affiliated with the Alliance." (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf)

    At that moment, the cube opened with an explosion, allowing Nether-Prince Durzaan — the corrupt ethereal who had stalked Alleria and made an attempt to claim the Sunwell — to surge into Telogrus. Durzaan immediately began a spell to capture and corrupt Umbric and his followers, binding them in an attempt to transform the elves into creatures of the void. Alleria, swearing to save her brothers and sisters, fought a brutal battle to free Umbric and slay the Nether-Prince. Displaying her fortitude, neither Durzaan's power nor his offers to share it were enough to sway Alleria's resolve, as she made clear to Umbric that the whispers are not to be trusted. Alleria succeeded in killing Durzaan, and while their minds and souls were still their own, the sin'dorei had been transformed by the ritual: now, having consumed the void as Alleria had, they had achieved new powers as well as a dangerous susceptibility to its whispers. Alleria immediately offered her aid, wanting to help her transformed kin understand and control their new forms and powers; and Umbric, apologizing for his arrogance, happily accepted. Since Umbric felt that Silvermoon had turned its back on him and his people long ago, Umbric and the void elves swore their allegiance to Alleria and the Alliance. Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf


    Reminder: Read the Lore.
    Add 1) How cute. You cherrypicked and misinterpreted the part of the text which suit you. Now, mind you, go the the first link you posted, go to the section Magical Addiction and read. There is specificaly said most blood elves did not drain demonic magic. See it for yourself. Learn.

    Add 3) That alone looks more like artistic description of the even which occured. It also covers the only moment of a transformation of Umbrics group. It does not indicate Void elves are feeding upon the Void from that moment. We've never witnessed anything like that from that point and Void elves got fair amount of screen time with their Void shenanigans in BfA. Even in Telogrus, they just study the Void, channel it, but never consume it. Also listen to their voice lines.

    Question everything.
    Whispers do not control me.
    Unchecked emotion leads to ruin.
    My fate is my own.

    They express their caution towards the Void, rather then happily embrasing it. As I said previously, ren'dorei have rather a "visionary" feel to them then a traditional Dark elf trope. They explore dangerous magic without prejudice and fear to show others that this power can be contained and used for greater good... Or at least they believe so.

    Also, read the lore yourself. The links you post contradicts your claims.
    Last edited by Vaedan; 2021-06-07 at 04:08 PM.

  5. #24085
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Add 1) How cute. You cherrypicked and misinterpreted the part of the text which suit you. Now, mind you, go the the first link you posted, go to the section Magical Addiction and read. There is specificaly said most blood elves did not drain demonic magic. See it for yourself. Learn.

    Add 3) That alone looks more like artistic description of the even which occured. It also covers the only moment of a transformation of Umbrics group. It does not indicate Void elves are feeding upon the Void from that moment. We've never witnessed anything like that from that point and Void elves got fair amount of screen time with their Void shenanigans in BfA. Even in Telogrus, they just study the Void, channel it, but never consume it. Also listen to their voice lines.

    Question everything.
    Whispers do not control me.
    Unchecked emotion leads to ruin.
    My fate is my own.

    They express their caution towards the Void, rather then happily embrasing it. As I said previously, ren'dorei have rather a "visionary" feel to them then a traditional Dark elf trope. They explore dangerous magic without prejudice and fear to show others that this power can be contained and used for greater good... Or at least they believe so.

    Also, read the lore yourself. The links you post contradicts your claims.
    Add 1) I didn't "cherrypicked" anything, the lore is there. I even post you the entire lore section. Also..."In his report on Silvermoon City, Mathias Shaw reported that blood elves were addicted to both, arcane and fel magic", source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blo...ical_addiction. Please don't read just one part of the lore....

    Add 3) Here is a picture of it (https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...l/698921.jpg):


    They are clearly siphoning Void in the Telogrus Rift.

    Also from those lines you quoted: "Alleria has vowed to train these void elves to control the shadows within them and pledge their newfound powers to the Alliance.[4] Void elves constantly hear voices from the Void that seek to corrupt them, something they have learned to fight against and keep control over." - Sorce: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf.

    Please, read the lore yourself. Provide sources for your claims and don't contradict the lore made by Blizzard that is posted on those wiki pages.

  6. #24086
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Add 1) I didn't "cherrypicked" anything, the lore is there. I even post you the entire lore section. Also..."In his report on Silvermoon City, Mathias Shaw reported that blood elves were addicted to both, arcane and fel magic", source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blo...ical_addiction. Please don't read just one part of the lore....

    Add 3) Here is a picture of it (https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...l/698921.jpg):


    They are clearly siphoning Void in the Telogrus Rift.

    Also from those lines you quoted: "Alleria has vowed to train these void elves to control the shadows within them and pledge their newfound powers to the Alliance.[4] Void elves constantly hear voices from the Void that seek to corrupt them, something they have learned to fight against and keep control over." - Sorce: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf.

    Please, read the lore yourself. Provide sources for your claims and don't contradict the lore made by Blizzard that is posted on those wiki pages.
    Add 1) Yes, you did. You tried to prove your point that all blood elves fed upon Fel, you picked a line from the article and constructed an interpretation which was suitable for your claim. Unfortunately for you, the article you posted provided information that undermines your statement.

    Add 3) We can happily speculate what are these elves on the picture doing. They may just channel the energies from the rift to keep it stable in order to prevent Telogrus being consumed by uncontrolled Void rift. We do not know for sure. What we know is that no single Void elf past their transformation ever show interest to actually feed on the Void.

    Also, the quote you posted is just proving that Void elves got their Essence fused with Void, which nobody contradicts. It only says that Alleria helps them to overcome this. There is no single word about Void elves or Alleria feeding upon Void past their transformation.

    I read the lore well enough. You might as well, but still you need others to correct you. I'm sorry, but you are the only one constantly contradicting yourself.

  7. #24087
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Add 1) Yes, you did. You tried to prove your point that all blood elves fed upon Fel, you picked a line from the article and constructed an interpretation which was suitable for your claim. Unfortunately for you, the article you posted provided information that undermines your statement.

    Add 3) We can happily speculate what are these elves on the picture doing. They may just channel the energies from the rift to keep it stable in order to prevent Telogrus being consumed by uncontrolled Void rift. We do not know for sure. What we know is that no single Void elf past their transformation ever show interest to actually feed on the Void.

    Also, the quote you posted is just proving that Void elves got their Essence fused with Void, which nobody contradicts. It only says that Alleria helps them to overcome this. There is no single word about Void elves or Alleria feeding upon Void past their transformation.

    I read the lore well enough. You might as well, but still you need others to correct you. I'm sorry, but you are the only one constantly contradicting yourself.
    1) There is no point there that undermines my statement. The evidence of the Fel consumption is there. Please provide evidence of that claim you mention, since the lore is really clear about it.

    3) Since there is no lore on the Void elf wiki (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf), other than what i mention on my previous post, the image is all that i found about this "symphoning" of Void energy. Like you said, they could be doing anything on that ritual....

    "The void elves are not recruiting, necessarily, but they are open to those who share similar interests. Their research has attracted other elves to Telogrus, with both Silvermoon scholars and high elven wayfarers arriving to study the ways of the Void. They are trying to find out if they can reproduce the original process that transformed the void elves.". Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf.

    What that last part says, is that the Void elves we use, are the ones that experience the incident that turned them into Void elves. Others are not able to convert themselves into Void elves. This means that those High Elves wayfarers are not turning into Void Elves and once again prove that Blood elves that turned into Void elves, are the ones we use.

    I know the lore well enough. I don't need others to correct me. Sorry, but the only ones constantly contradicting themselves are you guys. Since i started posting the lore, you now start to understand that Void elves are not High elves

  8. #24088
    Void elves are not High elves
    The game director says they are though...

  9. #24089
    Blood elves and void elves are high elves. Customization is for this

  10. #24090
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    The person is either baiting or an Obelisk Kai wanna be. We reached a consensus in this thread hundreds of pages ago and they just came in to obstinately stir the hornet's nest. I don't see the point in trying to change someone's mind who clearly doesn't care and came into the thread about 3 years too late.

    In any case, we're not going to hear much more on customization until the next expansion, with how delayed all of SL has been. Heck we haven't even gotten the rest of the Heritage Armors we were promised. RIP Draenei and Trolls

  11. #24091
    I really hope the next expansion's customization is more robust and comprehensive than the first.

  12. #24092
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    This is simply a false and disingenuous argument to make, since Alleria Windrunner first and leader of the Ren'dorei can retain her High elf form:



    As a Void Elf fan, I couldn't be happier that they finally gave them fair skin options, I have been asking this since 2017. And not because I am a High elf fan, but because I am a VOID ELF FAN, and the leader of the Void Elves indeed can retain her fair form.

    As I've been saying since 2017: Fair skin and Blue eyes have always been part of the Void Elf identity. Again, look at the Void Elf leader. This is an objective fact.
    You started as one and you were already asking for it at that time. You only adjusted that idea and name since alliance have void elves and Alleria went that way -.-

  13. #24093
    Quote Originally Posted by Valandale View Post
    The person is either baiting or an Obelisk Kai wanna be. We reached a consensus in this thread hundreds of pages ago and they just came in to obstinately stir the hornet's nest. I don't see the point in trying to change someone's mind who clearly doesn't care and came into the thread about 3 years too late.

    In any case, we're not going to hear much more on customization until the next expansion, with how delayed all of SL has been. Heck we haven't even gotten the rest of the Heritage Armors we were promised. RIP Draenei and Trolls
    Sadly, that is the only way to describe it, a hornet's nest. People demand what they like, they don't care what the "Lore Masters" wrote about the Void Elves, Blood Elves and High Elves. They just want to refurbish the Void Elves into High Elves. If Blizzard ever do this poorly demand into a reality, we are going to have the most poorly designed race in all of WoW.

    People should have asked for High Elves instead...But they prefer changing the Void Elves and making them more broken. Good Luck on that.

  14. #24094
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    1) There is no point there that undermines my statement. The evidence of the Fel consumption is there. Please provide evidence of that claim you mention, since the lore is really clear about it.
    Oh, my pleasure. Here you are. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_elf

    In that link, please go to the section Magical Addiction

    "Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general. The blood elves of Outland have by now discovered Kael'thas' agreement with Illidan, and they have for the most part become convinced of its necessity. Most blood elves still live on Azeroth, though. Few of these elves know of Kael'thas' pact with Illidan, and many would be horrified if they discovered it. Draining magic from small mana-bearing vermin is a far cry from draining magic from demons. Yet, as their hunger grows, blood elves—particularly those in Outland—are becoming increasingly inured to the things they must do in order to obtain more magic.[6]"

    Bolded the important parts for you. This, my friend, contradicts your statement that all blood elves drained Fel. It is also the same link you used to prove your point. The difference is that you quoted the part that confirmed only that most zealous followers of Kael (those under influence of Kil'jaeden) indulged on Fel and that caused their ultimate corruption.

    Sure, Silvermoon probably still bears scars of Fel usage. The whole city was rebuilded by fel magics, so that's what Mathias probably sense in the place. Blood elves are indeed way more tolerant of fel usage then most other races, but that does not mean all of them fed upon it. Lore states otherwise.

    3) Since there is no lore on the Void elf wiki (https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf), other than what i mention on my previous post, the image is all that i found about this "symphoning" of Void energy. Like you said, they could be doing anything on that ritual....

    "The void elves are not recruiting, necessarily, but they are open to those who share similar interests. Their research has attracted other elves to Telogrus, with both Silvermoon scholars and high elven wayfarers arriving to study the ways of the Void. They are trying to find out if they can reproduce the original process that transformed the void elves.". Source: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_elf.

    What that last part says, is that the Void elves we use, are the ones that experience the incident that turned them into Void elves. Others are not able to convert themselves into Void elves. This means that those High Elves wayfarers are not turning into Void Elves and once again prove that Blood elves that turned into Void elves, are the ones we use.
    While this is part of the little information we have regarding Void elves, it is nothing to support your claim that ren'dorei feed on the Void. It just says that they are researching a process to increase their numbers. Nothing in lore, both written or shown in game suggest that any of the current void elves have physical need or desire to feed upon void energies. We have seen elves being addicted on magic. Blood elves and Nightborne went throught that. We have not seen anything remotely similar in void elves and there is no mention of that either. While your theory is not the least possible, it's just that - a theory, not founded on the evidence we have. Sorry.

    I know the lore well enough. I don't need others to correct me. Sorry, but the only ones constantly contradicting themselves are you guys. Since i started posting the lore, you now start to understand that Void elves are not High elves
    Clearly, you don't. Your refusal lead to the point that no other posters take you seriously. You outright deny words of creators of the game, just because you don't like the direction where they lead the game. Sure, I'd also prefer proper High Elves originaly, but I didn't let denial hurt my enjoyment of the new race added to the game. Void elves were meant to be Alliance thalassian compromise. We can be happy that Blizzard acknowledged this experiment did not ended well and decided to make improvements to better please high elf fans. I still hope there is more coming, both on "traditional high elf" front and also on the "void elf" front.

    I think you have some kind of need to compare void elves to more dark variants of elves from other settings, but what you fail to see is that void elves were not really meant to be the Dark Elf archetype as we know it. They actually lean way more towards space or even astral elves, regarding their racial aesthetics and besides using dark powers (which they use with a measure of caution and for greater good), they have nothing similar with general dark elf archetype.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    Sadly, that is the only way to describe it, a hornet's nest. People demand what they like, they don't care what the "Lore Masters" wrote about the Void Elves, Blood Elves and High Elves. They just want to refurbish the Void Elves into High Elves. If Blizzard ever do this poorly demand into a reality, we are going to have the most poorly designed race in all of WoW.

    People should have asked for High Elves instead...But they prefer changing the Void Elves and making them more broken. Good Luck on that.
    High elves are never coming as a separate race. There is no need for that now. Both faction have their own version of high elves, with their own perspective flavors. That is the stance of creators of the game.
    Last edited by Vaedan; 2021-06-07 at 07:45 PM.

  15. #24095
    The devs says it, high elf are custom now

  16. #24096
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    I don't think applying themes and features from other universes is a good way to go. Wow lore is inspired by many sources, but in the end, it creates its own image of the setting. Also, as other said, you also misinterpret WoW elf races a bit.

    High elves are not in fact pure elves. Night elves are. High elves are descendants of Highborne who abused Arcane magic of Well of Eternity. Their appearance changed greatly thanks to their exposure to the Sunwell once they founded Quel'thalas.

    The level of Fel corruption blood elves were exposed was not that dramatic. Green eyes and darker skin tones are result of Fel Radiation from crystals found in Quel'thalas, but majority of population siphoned magic from vermins and critters, and even sentient beings in some cases. Only very few blood elves directly fed upon demonic magic and these elves were either Kael's felblood elves or illidari recruits. The main difference between quel'dorei and sin'dorei has always been political and philosophical.

    Void elves did not started their practises of the Void out of thirst for magic. Their thirst has been sated by the Sunwell for years now. Their motivation was exploration of new source of magic, which is largely unknown and is full of potential. Umbrics notes says to do so to defend Quel'thalas from harm, not to harness these powers for selfish ends, so their motives are not entirely selfish. Eventually, Void elves turned out to be more freethinkers and visionaries, moving past established boundaries of their society. Unfortunately, their research was considered dangerous for Sunwell, so they were exiled. In their aestetics, they are more of "Space elf" then "dark elf" from the very beginning. Just look at their heritage armor.

    I'd like to mention that none of wow elf races can be really considered Dark Elf as we know this archetype from other universes. For example, Drow are extremely cruel, sadistic, unforgiving and secluded race based on worship of straight out evil goddess, making them antagonists most of time. No playable race in WoW will meet this criteria. Even Forsaken were given some positive features.
    Correct. It's nice to see someone understand this well

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    I'd personally prefer blood elves getting exclusively brown, tanned and black skin tones. It goes well with their Sun centered society and I can imagine their proximity to Sunwell can result in some luxuriously tanned skin tones? It makes them more exotic and interesting. I'd leave high elves with "vanilla" peach skin tones, because they are just that, vanilla elves, a fundation for other groups to expand upon.
    Actually the dark skin tones probably make more sense for blood elves, because it is the blood elf side that a lot of changes happen or are the changed ones. I'm also fine with blood elves having a wider range of options than high elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandale View Post
    The person is either baiting or an Obelisk Kai wanna be. We reached a consensus in this thread hundreds of pages ago and they just came in to obstinately stir the hornet's nest. I don't see the point in trying to change someone's mind who clearly doesn't care and came into the thread about 3 years too late.
    Truth lol. As much as an antagonist O.K. was to more customization, at least he tried to sound more logically convincing. Necro dude is simply talking past the people they're having a discussion with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Valandale View Post
    In any case, we're not going to hear much more on customization until the next expansion, with how delayed all of SL has been. Heck we haven't even gotten the rest of the Heritage Armors we were promised. RIP Draenei and Trolls
    Yup for reals. It's a bit sad but waiting's the name of the game for more customizations it looks like.

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    Such a long and pointless debate for such a simple fact.

    High Elves (Main Race):

    - Void Elves (Subrace)
    - Blood Elves (Subrace)
    - Silver Covenant/Highvale High Elves, Pure Elves, Didn't-Eat-Demons Elves, Call-Them-Whatever-You-Want Elves (Subrace)

    It's not rocket science, but people (Horde fanboys) simply can't accept the fact that the Blood elves don't have some kind of priority or primacy.
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    Some will tell you that the Light is the only path. The only weapon that can stop the enemies of Azeroth. But we see alternatives. Many roads, many possibilities, that are open to us. There will be those who doubt you. Who question your resolve, your ability to harness powers that have caused the downfall of weaker wills. Together, we will prove them wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Such a long and pointless debate for such a simple fact.

    High Elves (Main Race):

    - Void Elves (Subrace)
    - Blood Elves (Subrace)
    - Silver Covenant/Highvale High Elves, Pure Elves, Didn't-Eat-Demons Elves, Call-Them-Whatever-You-Want Elves (Subrace)

    It's not rocket science, but people (Horde fanboys) simply can't accept the fact that the Blood elves don't have some kind of priority or primacy.
    Nailed it. I'd also add san'layn, felblood and dark rangers as variants of high elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Such a long and pointless debate for such a simple fact.

    High Elves (Main Race):

    - Void Elves (Subrace)
    - Blood Elves (Subrace)
    - Silver Covenant/Highvale High Elves, Pure Elves, Didn't-Eat-Demons Elves, Call-Them-Whatever-You-Want Elves (Subrace)

    It's not rocket science, but people (Horde fanboys) simply can't accept the fact that the Blood elves don't have some kind of priority or primacy.
    Well, blood elves used to have that kind of priority or exclusivity, but considering background of the race, it's historical and thematical ties to the Alliance, fans requested Alliance thalassians for years. Blizzard decided to give these people what they want in a way least harmful for blood elves.

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