Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Now that my hair color wants seem to be being addressed... yes? I may want the high elf aesthetic, but once I am sure I have that (to be determined by the 5 colors we end up getting), then I am all for more void aesthetic options.

I'd like to see an option to make entropic embrace look like Alleria's (hers is darker and she has luminescent purple tinged white hair). I'd like to see a skin tone and hair color option to look like I'm in entropic embrace all the time. I'd like to see a tentacle toggle for the hair (like the night elf vine toggle) that lets me add tentacles to any hairstyle that doesn't have them (even bald!), and also to remove them from the styles that do (even going full void aesthetic, I don't always want tentacles with certain mogs). The toggle would make it so that any future hairstyles added to void elves would always have the option for tentacles or not instead of some styles having them and some not.

And if I want to ask for stuff beyond the scope of my character aesthetics, I'd love some sort of option to make all my spells/skills/attacks use the blue-black void coloration that npc void spells have. Even cooler would be if activating that option didn't just change the visual effects of the spells, but renamed them and changed their icons too! So for example, instead of arcane barrage, it would be void barrage


Purely a visual change, but it would make me happy.
Still, that seems like it would be quite the undertaking, so I won't hold my breath for that.

I'll be content as long as black hair is an option and I can look like this:



Once I have that, my requests will be for more void themed aesthetics.

Finally black hair AHHH!!! You know I have also being very into the idea of a tentacle toggle that also adds tentacles to the hairstyles that don't have them.

Also indeed, We could have so much more customization in terms of spell effects to add more flavor to our characters, like green fel fire did. "Void" spell effects would not only help void elvesm but also Kul Tirans and Undead.

As for racials. I don't find the racials personally that intrusive, but I would be cool that we got more ways to customize our racials aesthetics.

[Rhlor]

Exactly something like this. To be honest, these concepts interests me way more then natural hair colors for my character and I think it's good way to build upon special theme and aestetics of void elves. Their racial mount and heritage armor has that otherworldly feel to them, so that would go well with the racial design and would distinguish them well from other elven groups. I wouldn't even mind night elves having their astral/stellar features too, building some more connection between Alliance elf nations. That could be interesting.



Obviously not in game, because Quel'thalas is frozen in TBC era and Blizzard started to use Dark Ranger NPCs since WotLK.

There were Dark Rangers in Sunwell manga if I remember correctly and also in Three Sisters comics. Sure, they serve mostly Sylvanas, so we see them wherever she orders them to be, but the fact some of them sticked with the Horde because they care about their people, which are described as BOTH Forsaken and Sin'dorei means that they care about their homeland.

In fact, they gave their lives in defense of Quel'thalas and obviously want to protect it in their death too. They abandoned their mistress to stay with their people. It's quite good proof of their loyalty if you ask me.



I never understood the desire for High Elf paladins. It's mostly blood elf thing which started with Blood knights. Blood elves also have way deeper connection to the Light then high elves ever did.

If we are ever getting class skins for certain racial themed classes, I can certainly imagine Void knight skin for Void elf paladins. Other then that, it definitely does not fit the race in the slightest.

in 4.1 the only force of the horde that went to help against the amani were the darkspear, I did not see any undead helping, but in Cata I saw many undead helping other undead in their genocidal campaign.
the undead have their own facion are the forsaken.

[Kyriani]

Finally black hair AHHH!!! You know I have also being very into the idea of a tentacle toggle that also adds tentacles to the hairstyles that don't have them.

Also indeed, We could have so much more customization in terms of spell effects to add more flavor to our characters, like green fel fire did. "Void" spell effects would not only help void elvesm but also Kul Tirans and Undead.

As for racials. I don't find the racials personally that intrusive, but I would be cool that we got more ways to customize our racials aesthetics.

A tentacle toggle just makes sense. It would essentially "double" the number of hairstyles that void elves have without actually having to make or port any new hairstyles (not that I wouldn't want more hairstyles added). It also future proofs any new hairstyles added down the road.

And yea spell effect customization would be great for everyone imo, not just void elves.

[Rhlor]

I like them because they were distinct, and I think many did, different from high elves, which I also like. What blizzard settled for is making the blood elves largely high elven with some power hungry and bad boy vesitges.
@Rhlor may be right a lot of those warlocks sin'dorei might have gone to the void elves, but the two aren't strictly related, as these guys wanted to study the void from all disciplines and there is no specific mention either of void elf warlocks. The themes do go well together if they never wanted to do that.

I think San'layn and undead blood elves should be part of the blood elf story, but there is no harm them intersecting the forsaken story because they're undead. The forsaken are primarily a human undead group. While undead can come from every race, the faction we play are human undead, it doesn't really mesh imo that the blood elves have nothing to do with them but the forsaken should.

I'm not advocating for blood elves and San'layn or Darkfallen to be good friends to stroke my bad boy desire.. no, but they can be an interesting element with both positive and negative nuances in the story of the high elven people we call the Thalassian elves.

As such , they make the blood elf and Thalassian elf story richer ..they are afterall, elven, not human, even if their state is undead.

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agreed 100%, for me, i think it is an interesting dimension that shouldn't be discarded, warlocks is such an anti-high elf theme, part of the blood elf identity being divorced from the high elven has this as one of the main sticking points.

While it hasn't really been expounded on, it would be a shame to discard it and it has an air of "I want blood elves to be more high elven than anything else" - which isn't wrong or anything, if that's what you want, I just don't think that's what blood elven means.. but hey, it could be. I liked blood elves being blood elves and high elves high elves. Always accepted some overlap and nuance.. but one of the main differences is willingness and drive to empower with a fair degree of recklessness, and the warlock theme is right at home there.

undead blood elf? I can accept that the san'layn cannibal monsters before serving the lich king and now the jailer were blood elves. but the dark rangers were high elves.
the undead have their own faction is the forsaken faction. the blood elves have their own faction the kingdom of quelthalas.

there are also high elves warlocks and there are even high elves as part of the cult of the damned or serving the old gods. the important thing about being a blood elf is to be a patriot and fight to protect quelthalas and the sunwell, are there warlocks between blood elves? yes, as there are human warlocks.
do you know a warlock blood elf organization? None because they are a small minority who were never important in the Quelthalas society and they do not have a leader because I repeat they are not important and there are very few.

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All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.



And you are now literally making the point that the elves that died defending their homeland wouldn't have proudly take on the mantle of Blood Elves. Please, tell me how many undead high elves there are on the alliance. The gall to try to say most undead elves wouldn't chose to stand by Quel'thalas if they had the choice -like the most of rest of their people did-

JFC, why is it up with fans like you trying to sanitize everything about Blood Elves that doesn't fit your own sanitized version of them? High Elf fans are not the true enemy of Blood Elves, is people like you that keep pushing BE's to only be waht you deem acceptable, and it's appalling.

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I find very unlikely we will be getting Dark Rangers as a Hero Class.

although i guess in the future we will have another new hero class

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

undead blood elf? I can accept that the san'layn cannibal monsters before serving the lich king and now the jailer were blood elves. but the dark rangers were high elves.

Seriously I can't side eye you enough, as if the elves that died defending Quel'thalas wouldn't have renamed themselves Blood Elves with pride if they could have.

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although i guess in the future we will have another new hero class

Doesn't make Dark Ranger hero class any more likely.

[Rhlor]

Seriously I can't side eye you enough, as if the elves that died defending Quel'thalas wouldn't have renamed themselves Blood Elves with pride if they could have.

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Doesn't make Dark Ranger hero class any more likely.

They renamed themselves forsaken and were the most loyal forces of their mistress sylvanas who was the queen of the forsaken. a shame then i guess people who want to play dark ranger won't be able to do it
Or maybe they could give elf customization to the forsaken since it is part of the fosaken faction
most of the dark rangers chose to serve sylvanas against quelthalas
those who used fel to restore quelthalas were the mage and while the warlocks only used it as a drug or were part of the forces of kael that betrayed quelthalas

[Tanaria]

All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.

And you are now literally making the point that the elves that died defending their homeland wouldn't have proudly take on the mantle of Blood Elves. Please, tell me how many undead high elves there are on the alliance. The gall to try to say most undead elves wouldn't chose to stand by Quel'thalas if they had the choice -like the most of rest of their people did-

JFC, why is it up with fans like you trying to sanitize everything about Blood Elves that doesn't fit your own sanitized version of them? High Elf fans are not the true enemy of Blood Elves, is people like you that keep pushing BE's to only be waht you deem acceptable, and it's appalling.

It's about being honest. I'm not denying that Warlocks are still involved in Silvermoon society, but their usage is extremely small.
I could lie about Blood Elves being these extremely good Warlocks and the fel green eyes symbolizes their power over fel - but it's all lies and fandom headcanon.

As somebody who has studied Silvermoon Blood Elf lore since 2009, I can honestly tell you that trying to emphasis a very niche concept within Silvermoon society is a little silly. Hell, we've got the "Warlock" feature already with the green eyes.

And the whole "death" thing is fairly underused as far as the blood elf involvement goes. How an elf in question chooses to identify is entirely up to them. Koltira identifies as a Blood Elf Death Knight, whilst Dread Commander Thalanor considers himself a High Elf Death Knight.

Now as far as Silvermoon society goes - again, neither the Thalassian Death Knights nor the San'layn have any direct involvement within Quel'Thalas' affairs. The latter only dealt with the Zandalari and Forsaken (as far as allies go) and the Night Elves (as far as adversaries go.)

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

They renamed themselves forsaken and were the most loyal forces of their mistress sylvanas who was the queen of the forsaken. a shame then i guess people who want to play dark ranger won't be able to do it
Or maybe they could give elf customization to the forsaken since it is part of the fosaken faction
most of the dark rangers chose to serve sylvanas against quelthalas
those who used fel to restore quelthalas were the mage and while the warlocks only used it as a drug or were part of the forces of kael that betrayed quelthalas

Did you forgot that Velonara, who died protecting Quel'thalas, chose to lead the remaining Dark Rangers as part of the Horde?

It's easy to dismiss disagreeing opinions when you keep dismissing the facts that don't support your opinions.

[Rhlor]

Did you forgot that Velonara, who died protecting Quel'thalas, chose to lead the remaining Dark Rangers as part of the Horde?

It's easy to dismiss disagreeing opinions when you keep dismissing the facts that don't support your opinions.

the dark rangers who did not follow sylvanas are now under the care of calia one of the leaders of the forsaken

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

It's about being honest. I'm denying that Warlocks are still involved in Silvermoon society, but their usage is extremely small.
I could lie about Blood Elves being these extremely good Warlocks and the fel green eyes symbolizes their power over fel - but it's all lies and fandom headcanon.

As somebody who has studied Silvermoon Blood Elf lore since 2009, I can honestly tell you that trying to emphasis a very niche concept within Silvermoon society is a little silly. Hell, we've got the "Warlock" feature already with the green eyes.

That you "headcanon" the relevance of Blood Elf Warlocks doesn't make you an expert, just biased.

My point is that all of your speculation about warlocks being a small part of BE society is that, speculation.

Warlocks were incredibly important on those first few years as part of the new BE identity, and while we can theorize about their current standing within BE society, it really is just speculation from your part to diminish their role, by calling them "very niche".

Blood Elves and Forsaken remain the two Horde races were Fel usage was never shown as taboo.

[Tanaria]

That you "headcanon" the relevance of Blood Elf Warlocks doesn't make you an expert, just biased.

My point is that all of your speculation about warlocks being a small part of BE society is that, speculation.

Warlocks were incredibly important on those first few years as part of the new BE identity, and while we can theorize about their current standing within BE society, it really is just speculation from your part to diminish their role, by calling them "very niche".

Blood Elves and Forsaken remain the two Horde races were Fel usage was never shown as taboo.

Apologies - I made a typo - I meant to say that I'm NOT denying that Warlocks are still part of Silvermoon society.

And no - the Blood Elves' use of fel wasn't the key that made them different and caused the rift between those who left. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Rommath returned and was teaching the populace how to siphon arcane energy from the creatures of the land.

High Elves have used fel and demonic magic before, as per Summoner Nolric. Fel isn't the key here as Humans, Orcs, Undead and Gnomes also used fel and demonic magic. The key was siphoning magic out of the creatures. An arcane practice...but questionable, by those who took exile.

[Rhlor]

It's about being honest. I'm denying that Warlocks are still involved in Silvermoon society, but their usage is extremely small.
I could lie about Blood Elves being these extremely good Warlocks and the fel green eyes symbolizes their power over fel - but it's all lies and fandom headcanon.

As somebody who has studied Silvermoon Blood Elf lore since 2009, I can honestly tell you that trying to emphasis a very niche concept within Silvermoon society is a little silly. Hell, we've got the "Warlock" feature already with the green eyes.

It was said over and over again that most of those with green eyes are just from radiation from the crystals, not from being warlocks.
Warlocks as anyone who knows the lore of the blood elves knows that they are an insignificant part of quelthala society.
When was the last time we saw warlocks helping out in a blood elves campaign?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

the dark rangers who did not follow sylvanas are now under the care of calia one of the leaders of the forsaken

That's false.

Calia leads the Kaldorei Dark Rangers and one BE.

Velonara leads the remaining Dark Rangers

Greetings, <adventurer>.
These are interesting times.
Gossip I see you remained in Orgrimmar.
We dark rangers were fiercely loyal to Sylvanas. We trusted her... followed her commands.
It is clear that our loyalty was never truly reciprocated.
Some of my sisters and brothers have chosen to remain at the Dark Lady's side. I, and many others, have not.
<Velonara's expression becomes steely. Determined.>
I refuse to be a slave to this torment.
Both the sin'dorei and Forsaken are my kin. I stand with them, and with the Horde.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/War..._(quest)#Notes

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Apologies - I made a typo - I meant to say that I'm NOT denying that Warlocks are still part of Silvermoon society.

I understood. My issue with your argument is that you keep denying its visible role by calling it stuff like "niche".

[Rhlor]

That you "headcanon" the relevance of Blood Elf Warlocks doesn't make you an expert, just biased.

My point is that all of your speculation about warlocks being a small part of BE society is that, speculation.

Warlocks were incredibly important on those first few years as part of the new BE identity, and while we can theorize about their current standing within BE society, it really is just speculation from your part to diminish their role, by calling them "very niche".

Blood Elves and Forsaken remain the two Horde races were Fel usage was never shown as taboo.

when were warlocks an important part of the blood elf identity?
If you tell me about the traitors in the service of kael then if the warlocks were important in the identity of the traitors.
fel is no longer used in quelthalas the fell crystals were replaced by mana crystals.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Warlocks as anyone who knows the lore of the blood elves knows that they are an insignificant part of quelthala society.

Your grasp of the lore is nowhere near strong enough to make these claims, dude.

[Rhlor]

That's false.

Calia leads the Kaldorei Dark Rangers and one BE.

Velonara leads the remaining Dark Rangers



https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/War..._(quest)#Notes

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I understood. My issue with your argument is that you keep denying its visible role by calling it stuff like "niche".

she herself recognizes that the dark ranger are loyal to the forsaken in that line.

if calia is going to be the new leader forsaken that is a no-brainer now she is one of the leaders and clearly the dark rangers are under the command of calia now.

What visible role are you talking about? the only thing warlocks in quelthalas do is gather in a basement and get high on fel, although now that fel crystals have been replaced by mana crystals I suppose they will use those crystals.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

when were warlocks an important part of the blood elf identity?

I think the part where warlocks were introduced as one of the BE classes in contrast to every other HE depiction before them, and are you know, still a class and thus part of BE identity, is kinda obvious.

[Rhlor]

Your grasp of the lore is nowhere near strong enough to make these claims, dude.

I love the lore blood elf and if the warlocks had been important I would be the first to recognize it but they are not.

They have no leader, they have no organization, they never contributed any force to the blood elves' campaigns anywhere.

the warlocks are just junkies in a basement in quelthalas.

[Tanaria]

SNIP

But as far as Silvermoon goes, Warlocks within that city are no different than those in Stormwind or Ironforge. In the main, Human and Blood Elf Warlocks were main members of Burning Legion Cults like those in Desolace, Ashenvale and the Blood Elf Warlock/Legion cult that we met in Legion which introduced the Mage Tower. Silvermoon itself - it just doesn't bolster "Warlock" or if it does, it's roughly at the same level as Stormwind. The Warlocks are there, but they are seen and not really heard from.

High Elves also have Warlocks such as some within the Silver Covenant, so being a Warlock is not a one-way thing. Plus, we had so many Void Warlocks - Blood Elf Warlocks who later became Void Elf Warlocks - indeed, their were more of them dotted around than their Sin'dorei counterparts.

And those who did like these are sometimes those who want Blood Elves out of Quel'Thalas, because we enter into the idea that the only way these "bad boy elves" can come about is by living in mud huts and small camps and have nothing. I don't want them, if it costs the Blood Elf fanbase, Silvermoon - especially a Silvermoon that hasn't been revamped for the Blood Elf fanbase (and the Horde, by extension.)

there are also high elves warlocks and there are even high elves as part of the cult of the damned or serving the old gods. the important thing about being a blood elf is to be a patriot and fight to protect quelthalas and the sunwell, are there warlocks between blood elves? yes, as there are human warlocks.
do you know a warlock blood elf organization? None because they are a small minority who were never important in the Quelthalas society and they do not have a leader because I repeat they are not important and there are very few.

The Sanctum in Silvermoon is a very small Warlock Guild, but they hardly do anything. Their presence is hardly noted, their actions were only noted by the Black Harvest when Shinfel took her Scepter back from one of the Warlock trainers and a small group of blood elf warlocks in Dalaran, during Legion - but that was a mission table quest.

So, their is a Warlock Guild within Silvermoon - but it's small and ever since the Silvermoon Government closed Keleen's shop, I can't imagine his actions were favored by the Quel'Thalas public, when it became official and his actions reflecting on the Sanctum Guild as well.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

she herself recognizes that the dark ranger are loyal to the forsaken in that line.

COME ON DUDE

Both the sin'dorei and Forsaken are my kin. I stand with them, and with the Horde

You are unbelievable.

if calia is going to be the new leader forsaken that is a no-brainer now he is one of the leaders and clearly the dark rangers are under the command of calia now.

That's literally speculation on your part. But dismissing literal lore and making up your own is like, your MO.