1. #24161
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Night Elves options also show they didn't stick to one aesthetic (purple elf with purple/blue/green hair). You can make pretty pale/tan NEs along with some almost charcoalish ones too. Broadening their aesthetics has done nothing but good for allowing players to express themselves how they see fit!
    Honestly, if Night Elves can have a shade of blonde hair, then any arguments against Void Elves having it go right out the window.

  2. #24162
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    *A lot of the arguments I make are about how we could fold in some HE aesthetics into VE's -like Alleria does- as a way to move VE's forward by allowing them to recruit HE's to replenish their numbers.
    Exactly this here. We’ve been discussing in our Void Elf Discord (https://discord.gg/8m9wDrqk) and we all pretty much agree that natural customization options such as regular hair colors and hairstyles are a given for Void Elves. In essencse, they’re not a different race from Blood/High Elves, they haven’t changed their culture whatsoever.

    We could argue that the first generation of Void Elves, those who accidentally turned blue, are biologically different or not, but here’s the thing - they’re still the same Blood/High Elves they were before the accident.

    If they find the way of dying their hair, quite a few will do it. We have to remember we’re talking about a narcissistic race in general terms who believe in the importance of keeping up appearances.

    Anyway, we’ve proposed several stuff for Void Elves, both regular and voidy customizations, on the EU forums, in case anyone’s interested and/or wants to help us with our cause:

    BODY:

    Void tattoos
    Wider range of Voidy skin tones, including a mix of regular and Void-infused skin tones, as in the following image: https://i.imgur.com/3zuCYG1.jpg
    FACE:

    Void scars
    Black eyes
    Variety of Voidy make-up (for males as well, this is 2021, Blizz!)
    Variety of Voidy jewelry (ditto)
    Range of ear lengths
    Third eye on the forehead (although cool, I doubt this is even possible)
    Small tentacles for beards and moustaches
    HAIR:

    Wider range of Voidy hair colors, including black and white
    Voidy hair highlights
    Void braids, this could be like combining normal hair with a tentacle
    The option to toggle on/off tentacles on any hairstyle, and diversity as well in terms of size and color
    A full-tentacled hairstyle, like Medusa in Greek mythology, but tentacles instead of snakes.
    OTHER CUSTOMIZATIONS:

    More variety of Entropic Embrace skin tones, giving us the ability to choose one whenever it procs.
    Let us customize our Spatial Rift racial - I personally would prefer to open a Void portal (like Alleria does) to teleport instead of that almost indiscernable floating Shadow ball. We could also simply disappear and appear using a special Voidy ‘teleportation’ effect.
    This won’t probably happen, but it would be nice if we could change the color of our class spells to dark purple, so as to show we’re using our class powers infused by the Void. Hunters should have the option to transmog their bows in a way that arrows look dark and gloomy when shooting at a foe.
    Not really a customization, but please develop some more lore for Void Elves? Show how they are training new recruits, explain how’s the new Void infusion process, make Umbric show up more frequently, not just Alleria, convert a few more High Elves, especially from the Silver Covenant, show a possible conflict of interest between Alleria and her sister Vereesa in this sense, etc.
    Popular demand asks for more regular hair colors, such as brown, black, grey, white or blond, as well as normal-looking hairstyles. They could always include some sort of Void highlight if Blizzard considers they should look different from Blood Elf hair options.
    Quite a few players have been asking for drastic Void customizations, such as a K’thir face option or tentacles sprouting out of the stomach. I personally don’t think it makes sense, as Void Elves are supposed to master the Void precisely to avoid further undesirable or odd consequences. But that’s just me.
    FURTHER IDEAS AND VISUAL EXAMPLES:

    https://i.imgur.com/D0BJ2st.jpg
    https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment..._option_ideas/
    https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1...589440/photo/1
    https://i.imgur.com/T2wuYNh.jpg

    EU thread: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...athread/290261
    Void Elf Discord: https://discord.gg/8m9wDrqk
    Timelord Leinadh, Grand Magister of the Telogrus Rift Void Elf Discord Server.
    Follow Alleria's path into the shadows and meet other Void Elf fans:
    https://discord.gg/rrnYkMHuXp


  3. #24163
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Night Elves options also show they didn't stick to one aesthetic (purple elf with purple/blue/green hair). You can make pretty pale/tan NEs along with some almost charcoalish ones too. Broadening their aesthetics has done nothing but good for allowing players to express themselves how they see fit!
    That's one thing that's a huge limitation of how AR's are envisioned, they really have very limited aesthetics across the board. With some of them it isn't as big of an issue because their core race exists in the same faction so at least there's more illusion of variety, yet still races like LFD are notoriously limited to a palette that just feels uncreative, despite the rest of the draenei options being available on the alliance.

    Then we have the case of NB and VE, where the limitations are jarring because their CR are on a different faction, so the illusion of choice is not there. So they feel aesthetically limited in a way that just runs against variety and choice, and instead of an additional flavor, they feel like an incomplete experience standing on their own. Because as races, within the setting, their limited variance just makes them feel artificial, not as members of a world that evolves and changes. They don't feel like "races" but as an offshoot of a real race, unable to exist on their own.

    Which it is the place VE are within their lore. So I really hope they are able to recruit more members, and thus, add more diversification to their members, as elves from different backgrouns are able to join. Both an in universe and player agency/choice movement.

  4. #24164
    Say what you will about HElves haters, but damn they're are persistent. They've lost BElves models and skin tones, but are still fighting for hair color, even though compared to the loss of BElves models, it's not that big of a deal tbh.

  5. #24165
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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Honestly, if Night Elves can have a shade of blonde hair, then any arguments against Void Elves having it go right out the window.
    When the race customizations came in Shadowlands, Blizzard's MO became "we want to increase the diversity of options so players can look like the fantasies they wish to play in game." Something like that anyway, it's honestly tiring to always go look up the exact wording of when/where it was said.

    So honestly the requests people make for their favorite races are all valid, especially the ones that make sense from a lore pov imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    That's one thing that's a huge limitation of how AR's are envisioned, they really have very limited aesthetics across the board. With some of them it isn't as big of an issue because their core race exists in the same faction so at least there's more illusion of variety, yet still races like LFD are notoriously limited to a palette that just feels uncreative, despite the rest of the draenei options being available on the alliance.

    Then we have the case of NB and VE, where the limitations are jarring because their CR are on a different faction, so the illusion of choice is not there. So they feel aesthetically limited in a way that just runs against variety and choice, and instead of an additional flavor, they feel like an incomplete experience standing on their own. Because as races, within the setting, their limited variance just makes them feel artificial, not as members of a world that evolves and changes. They don't feel like "races" but as an offshoot of a real race, unable to exist on their own.

    Which it is the place VE are within their lore. So I really hope they are able to recruit more members, and thus, add more diversification to their members, as elves from different backgrouns are able to join. Both an in universe and player agency/choice movement.
    Yeah, very true, it's another case of Blizzard iterating upon a feature they pushed live when they didn't fully think it out. I think there's some people (not you) that also need to remember the only reason VEs got the customization they did is because their model/rigging is literally the same as their core race. It's why LF Draenei also got tail customization, mechagnomes got decoupled ears/jaws options, and mag'har got straight posture (you could even consider green orcs getting posture because they did posture for mag'har first).

    It would not have made sense for Blizzard to hold those back when they can slip those changes into related races at the same time. But people are acting like 'VE got their AR customization already!'. No they actually did not, they just got options because of the work already being done on BEs, there's a nuanced difference there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    Say what you will about HElves haters, but damn they're are persistent. They've lost BElves models and skin tones, but are still fighting for hair color, even though compared to the loss of BElves models, it's not that big of a deal tbh.
    They're actually not. There's only Necro here who is 'new blood'. The rest of the 'OG Helves haters' have pretty much left this thread alone now, Syegfred, Obelisk Kai, CombatButler, etc etc. But admittedly that's because those guys used to argue against VEs receiving blue eyes and human skin tones.

  6. #24166
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Yeah, very true, it's another case of Blizzard iterating upon a feature they pushed live when they didn't fully think it out. I think there's some people (not you) that also need to remember the only reason VEs got the customization they did is because their model/rigging is literally the same as their core race. It's why LF Draenei also got tail customization, mechagnomes got decoupled ears/jaws options, and mag'har got straight posture (you could even consider green orcs getting posture because they did posture for mag'har first).

    It would not have made sense for Blizzard to hold those back when they can slip those changes into related races at the same time. But people are acting like 'VE got their AR customization already!'. No they actually did not, they just got options because of the work already being done on BEs, there's a nuanced difference there
    It IS really funny when people say "VE's already got their customization" when EVERYTHING but 2 eye colors based on their VE eyes it's a Blood Elf reused textured. Like those people really think it would be totes uncontroversial if all AR BUT Void Elves get new stuff?

    I think that the new skin tones on VE's did come off as a bit of a surprise, but I think that was a decision made after -or as they said, alongside- giving BE blue eyes. Because otherwise, oh boy would have there been a lil bit of a shitstorm.

    I do hope, or believe, that VE's will get more natural hair colors, but different -and perhaps new- than the BE options, so those will be part of whenever AR's get updated. That they gave VE's natural skin tones does tell us they wanted to move away from that very limited aesthetic they first conjured for them, but its implementation does make me believe it was speeded up in order to lessen the backlash of blue eyed BE's, rather than just the desire to expand VE's.

    But yeah, in short, it does make me believe as a decision, it was a first step into expanding VE's aesthetics thinking of the future of the race as more than what they were first conceived as.

  7. #24167
    I don't think comments like "x will never happen" tend to age well. The universe can be a spiteful bitch when we try to paint things in absolutes. At least that's been my experience.

    I mean, who saw the skin proliferation happening? I know I certainly didn't. If that can happen... well then I think anything can happen. Doesn't mean void elves will actually get natural hair colors, but I'd say there's a pretty decent chance of it happening. And even if it doesn't happen in 10.0, we can just keep asking.

  8. #24168
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    I don't think comments like "x will never happen" tend to age well. The universe can be a spiteful bitch when we try to paint things in absolutes. At least that's been my experience.

    I mean, who saw the skin proliferation happening? I know I certainly didn't. If that can happen... well then I think anything can happen. Doesn't mean void elves will actually get natural hair colors, but I'd say there's a pretty decent chance of it happening. And even if it doesn't happen in 10.0, we can just keep asking.
    They've aged well so far. Void Elves are obviously the closest we've got/will get for a long while.

    Maybe they'll give the same options to night elves one day, who knows. I wouldn't bet on it.

  9. #24169
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    They've aged well so far. Void Elves are obviously the closest we've got/will get for a long while.

    Maybe they'll give the same options to night elves one day, who knows. I wouldn't bet on it.
    Have they though? I mean, if you say something will "never" happen, and it happens, even if it's been a long time, doesn't that mean the statement didn't age well?

    The fact that void elves began using an unmodified blood elf model, then shadowlands proliferated blood elf skin tones to them, and also the fact that the devs themselves have billed these options as "high elf customization" all paint a different picture to my eyes. If the devs have already been willing to give void elves "high elf customization," then what makes you doubt that hair isn't the next thing to happen?

    Sure, there's no guarantees of anything, but it seems strange to think blizzard wouldn't continue the trend, unless you have some insights the rest of us do not.
    Last edited by Kyriani; 2021-06-26 at 12:28 PM.

  10. #24170
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Have they though? I mean, if you say something will "never" happen, and it happens, even if it's been a long time, doesn't that mean the statement didn't age well?

    The fact that void elves began using an unmodified blood elf model, then shadowlands proliferated blood elf skin tones to them, and also the fact that the devs themselves have billed these options as "high elf customization" all paint a different picture to my eyes. If the devs have already been willing to give void elves "high elf customization," then what makes you doubt that hair isn't the next thing to happen?

    Sure, there's no guarantees of anything, but it seems strange to think blizzard wouldn't continue the trend, unless you have some insights the rest of us do not.
    They have, because we still don't have High Elves/NE HE customization.

  11. #24171
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    I still have the images of when you removed the tentacles!





    I really like the look of some of them with no tentacles or braids at all. Obviously nothing at all in place of the tentacles would work better with some styles than others. But imagine if we could just pick between tentacles, braids, or nothing there!
    Female hairstyles look really good without any option indeed. I'm not really fond of the male ponytail without tentacle (it feels somewhat incomplete for me), but that's just my personal taste. Also, being able to customize color of tentacles would be nice too.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Ah I remember when I removed all the tentacles from the VE hairstyles but don't remember where that image is now XD! regardless, I did believe all of then looked alright so a toggle would work well enough. Now, the option to toggle that for braids? now that would be just awesome!





    Bringing this back too because it would really be a cool way of adding variety and choice.
    Now this is awesome!

    I can also imagine adding some night elf/human hairstyles options.
    Last edited by Vaedan; 2021-06-26 at 12:38 PM.

  12. #24172
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    They have, because we still don't have High Elves/NE HE customization.
    Um, that's certainly a strange way to look at it...

    I don't expect to see a high elf race ever happen now that void elves have high elf customization, but the fact is, void elves do now have, according to the devs own words, high elf customization.

    They got the model...
    They got the skin colors...
    Third time's the charm?

    If hair colors are all that's left to finish the high elf customization for void elves, then why wouldn't blizzard do it? Especially when it would finish answering an age old request by alliance players, and it would be relatively quick and easy to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Female hairstyles look really good without any option indeed. I'm not really fond of the male ponytail without tentacle (it feels somewhat incomplete for me), but that's just my personal taste. Also, being able to customize color of tentacles would be nice too.
    Not every hairstyle works well with "nothing" there but some do. I prefer to err on the side of letting the player decide what looks good to them. That's why I like the idea of more options than just tentacles on/off. Give me tentacles on/off/hair/braids! And I agree it would be cool if we could color the tentacle glow, especially if it had the same color options as the eyes!
    Last edited by Kyriani; 2021-06-26 at 03:26 PM.

  13. #24173
    Quote Originally Posted by Necrosaro123 View Post
    - Not a single feature from the Shadowmoon clan there.
    • They are wearing the Shadowmoon Clan armor set from Warlords
    • They are shadow/void spellcasters, which was the main thing the AU Shadowmoon clan were known for
    • If the Shadowmoon weren't represented here, it would make them the only major AU mag'har clan not represented among the generic Mag'har orcs found in Orgrimmar because we have the Burning Blade (Blademasters), Shattered Hand (Rippers), Warsong (Outriders), Blackrock (Warders), Bleeding Hollow (Impaler), Laughing Skull (Limbflayer), Thunderlord (Giantslayer) and Frostwolf (Warrior) all represented. Why would the Shadowmoon Clan be left out especially when their outfit and name are pretty obviously telling us they are from the Shadowmoon Clan

    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    They have, because we still don't have High Elves/NE HE customization.
    Night Elf Highborne are represented by them having the Mage class, the Highborne were just a caste of the ancient Night Elf society, they weren't different in appearance from the rest of the Night Elves, they didn't start diverging in appearance/physiology until after they were exiled from Kalimdor.
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  14. #24174
    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator4321 View Post
    [LIST][*]They are wearing the Shadowmoon Clan armor set from Warlords[*]They are shadow/void spellcasters, which was the main thing the AU Shadowmoon clan were known for[*]If the Shadowmoon weren't represented here, it would make them the only major AU mag'har clan not represented among the generic Mag'har orcs found in Orgrimmar because we have the Burning Blade (Blademasters), Shattered Hand (Rippers), Warsong (Outriders), Blackrock (Warders), Bleeding Hollow (Impaler), Laughing Skull (Limbflayer), Thunderlord (Giantslayer) and Frostwolf (Warrior) all represented. Why would the Shadowmoon Clan be left out especially when their outfit and name are pretty obviously telling us they are from the Shadowmoon Clan
    Not to mention that Mag'har Orc allied race have Priest class option unlocked for them, which defecto confirms Shadowmoon clan being part of the group.

    Also, these orcs are part of Horde assault on Stormsong Valley:

    https://www.wowhead.com/npc=148663/darkcaster-mystic

    Definitely Shadowmoons.

  15. #24175
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Not to mention that Mag'har Orc allied race have Priest class option unlocked for them, which defecto confirms Shadowmoon clan being part of the group.

    Also, these orcs are part of Horde assault on Stormsong Valley:

    https://www.wowhead.com/npc=148663/darkcaster-mystic

    Definitely Shadowmoons.
    It is a little odd since the non-crazy Shadowmoon were Rulkan's splinter faction who were anti-void magic, it could be similar to how Warlocks still existed in the New Horde or maybe the Rulkan and the surviving Shadowmoon reached a compromise with using void magic, or maybe Rulkan and her Exiles eventually lost to the rest of the Shadowmoon clan.

    Theres also the part where 11/2 of the priest specs are about light/holy magic , suppose canonically/lore-wise all Mag'har priests are Shadow Priests (or maybe they learned holy magic from the Draenei since they were at peace for a few decades).

  16. #24176
    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator4321 View Post
    Theres also the part where 11/2 of the priest specs are about light/holy magic , suppose canonically/lore-wise all Mag'har priests are Shadow Priests (or maybe they learned holy magic from the Draenei since they were at peace for a few decades).
    Yeah, I'm hoping this eventually lets us have Mag'har Orc paladins. I don't know why, that just sounds so cool to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Thank y'all! I really need to get back to learning blender 2.9 lol



    Ah I remember when I removed all the tentacles from the VE hairstyles but don't remember where that image is now XD! regardless, I did believe all of then looked alright so a toggle would work well enough. Now, the option to toggle that for braids? now that would be just awesome!





    Bringing this back too because it would really be a cool way of adding variety and choice.
    What do you think about a chest hair toggle? For people who want manscaped elves, or non-manscaped elves.

  17. #24177
    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    What do you think about a chest hair toggle? For people who want manscaped elves, or non-manscaped elves.
    I love that suggestion! Just make sure males of every race get to have it!

  18. #24178
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    I love that suggestion! Just make sure males of every race get to have it!
    Of course! I think Orcs, Humans, and Dwarves already come with chest hair, but I'm not sure about other races.

  19. #24179
    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    What do you think about a chest hair toggle? For people who want manscaped elves, or non-manscaped elves.
    Honestly all races should have the option of body hair as a toggle option lol. I do like my elves hairy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Now this is awesome!

    I can also imagine adding some night elf/human hairstyles options.
    Ahh, I had done some of those as well, but don't know where they are XD. I do love the idea of VE getting human or NE hairstyles, while NB get Blood Elven ones, would be pretty neat!

    It's not particularly difficult, but someone better at model editing would do a better job. For me they kinda are a bit time consuming for what's essentially a proof of concept, and given that you have to edit the hairstyles to fit the VE head shape, you really are just getting an approximation of how it might look.

    Some of then did look very nice so I'm going to try to find that file!

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    Did find one!

  20. #24180
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Then we have the case of NB and VE, where the limitations are jarring because their CR are on a different faction, so the illusion of choice is not there. So they feel aesthetically limited in a way that just runs against variety and choice, and instead of an additional flavor, they feel like an incomplete experience standing on their own. Because as races, within the setting, their limited variance just makes them feel artificial, not as members of a world that evolves and changes. They don't feel like "races" but as an offshoot of a real race, unable to exist on their own.
    Exactly. And this is very wrong. This shouldn't be happening with any Allied Races. We grinded for weeks to unlock Allied Races (especially Nightborne). For that exact reason I believe Allied Races deserve as much customization as their respective Core Races, if not more! Because we veterans AND newcomers busted our behinds farming all of these reps to unlock them, eager to play these new races. Allied Races are not second class citizens, in fact they should be equally, if not even more rewarding in the customization they provide to the players who spent so long unlocking them.

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