Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Luck4]

I personally even support that void elves have green eyes!
there are blood elves in telogrus after all!

I just want the lore to be respected. and if there are blood elves in telogrus the void elves should have green eyes too.

Tbh with you, I think Blizzard did a bad job regarding this topic, had they followed the Nightborne route with High Elves, giving them a brand new model, still appealing ofc, and retroactive replacing all High Elf NPC's ingame with the newer rigs, I think both sides would be a lot happier now.

I mean, ofc we would still have some upset people here and there on both sides, but I think the majority would be happy with that.

[Rhlor]

I wouldn't blame the fans as the reason why BE's didn't get more customizations, but I do agree that HE fans overwhelmingly got on board with the idea of giving HE customization to VE's rather than keep asking for AR High Elves -oh there were people, but most HE fans understood that it was far more likely for the former to happen, thus focused their efforts on that.

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The lore is not "being damaged". This overstatement of harm is ridiculous.

It's about what assets are better to convey a fantasy that is already present on the lore, just like you can have the HE fantasy on a VE. How can you say such a thing would be damaging to the lore when there are literal examples of lore/gameplay segregation with Lightforged Draenei Shadow Priests and Void Elf Holy Priests?

Stop using the "sanctity of the lore" as a flimsy excuse to shut down whatever you don't deem to be fitting of Blood Elf customization options.

I do not consider the undead customizations correct for the blood elves because they clearly do not represent the lore and the aesthetic blood elf.
blood elves are not undead cannibal monsters. the blood elves are alive! and they live in a society where light is an essential part of their existence.

I always agreed that the alliance had the high elves, I wanted things for the horde as well as humans from Alterac. and I still believe that void elves must even have green eyes because it is correct within lore.

I don't see any dark ranger in quelthals? do you see them? when in 4.1 quelthalas was in danger did you see any DR? i saw blood elves, darkspear and high elves.
I see the DRs as part of the Forsaken, they live in the Forsaken society and serve the Forsaken racial leader.

if sylvanas had given them the order to kill lorthemar and invade quelthalas and kill us all they would have done it, because most of them even after sylvanas' betrayal remained loyal to sylvans.

they belong to the forsaken, that is their place. not in quelthalas.

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Tbh with you, I think Blizzard did a bad job regarding this topic, had they followed the Nightborne route with High Elves, giving them a brand new model, still appealing ofc, and retroactive replacing all High Elf NPC's ingame with the newer rigs, I think both sides would be a lot happier now.

I mean, ofc we would still have some upset people here and there on both sides, but I think the majority would be happy with that.

I think that the only customization that the void elves should not have are the golden eyes, since the golden eyes is light customization.
I want the blood elves to have unique customization that represents their lore and tradition and I am in favor of sharing things from the alliance to achieve that, such as lightforged customization.
I think it's the perfect way to give a unique customization that differentiates the void elves and blood elves thematically. light vs void.

[Luck4]

I think that the only customization that the void elves should not have are the golden eyes, since the golden eyes is light customization.
I want the blood elves to have unique customization that represents their lore and tradition and I am in favor of sharing things from the alliance to achieve that, such as lightforged customization.
I think it's the perfect way to give a unique customization that differentiates the void elves and blood elves thematically. light vs void.

Giving the circumstances this can work as well, but the only light customization that I can think of, other than tattoos, is a glowing aura and hair...

[delus]

I am kinda indifferent to green eyes on void elves as well as undead customization for BElves. Personally, I think undead elves should be under the forsaken banner though. I guess that opens up the weirdness of forsaken undead elves, however.

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There are fel runic tattoos like on the belf cover art. I suppose you could just make them gold.

[Rhlor]

Giving the circumstances this can work as well, but the only light customization that I can think of, other than tattoos, is a glowing aura and hair...

like this

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I do not consider the undead customizations correct for the blood elves because they clearly do not represent the lore and the aesthetic blood elf.
blood elves are not undead cannibal monsters. the blood elves are alive! and they live in a society where light is an essential part of their existence.

I always agreed that the alliance had the high elves, I wanted things for the horde as well as humans from Alterac. and I still believe that void elves must even have green eyes because it is correct within lore.

I don't see any dark ranger in quelthals? do you see them? when in 4.1 quelthalas was in danger did you see any DR? i saw blood elves, darkspear and high elves.
I see the DRs as part of the Forsaken, they live in the Forsaken society and serve the Forsaken racial leader.

if sylvanas had given them the order to kill lorthemar and invade quelthalas and kill us all they would have done it, because most of them even after sylvanas' betrayal remained loyal to sylvans.

they belong to the forsaken, that is their place. not in quelthalas.

I just don't understand this thought process. Like you KNOW you can make a light worshiping High Elf with the VE model, right? Spec that Priest Holy and you're a pious priest that would never dare to set foot in a place like Telogrus.

The BE model is just the closest in game asset for the DR fantasy, just as the VE model is for an alliance holy priest. So I don't get how you can see one but not the other, is just nonsense.

It literally matters not that there are no Dark Ranger in Quel'thalas, yet Dark Rangers in game right now, as per Velonara's words, describe themselves as kin to both Forsaken and Blood Elves, pretty much like DK's such as Koltira.

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I am kinda indifferent to green eyes on void elves as well as undead customization for BElves. Personally, I think undead elves should be under the forsaken banner though. I guess that opens up the weirdness of forsaken undead elves, however.

If I could choose, I would make Dark Rangers playable through a posture toggle + ears on the Forsaken model. I think it would work.

But between that, and simply turning on an eye color and unlocking a skin tone on the BE model, the later is simply the most efficient use of assets.

What these last passes of customization have shown us is that we can have more fantasy for our buck within the same models.

[Rhlor]

I just don't understand this thought process. Like you KNOW you can make a light worshiping High Elf with the VE model, right? Spec that Priest Holy and you're a pious priest that would never dare to set foot in a place like Telogrus.

The BE model is just the closest in game asset for the DR fantasy, just as the VE model is for an alliance holy priest. So I don't get how you can see one but not the other, is just nonsense.

It literally matters not that there are no Dark Ranger in Quel'thalas, yet Dark Rangers in game right now, as per Velonara's words, describe themselves as kin to both Forsaken and Blood Elves, pretty much like DK's such as Koltira.

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If I could choose, I would make Dark Rangers playable through a posture toggle + ears on the Forsaken model. I think it would work.

But between that, and simply turning on an eye color and unlocking a skin tone on the BE model, the later is simply the most efficient use of assets.

What these last passes of customization have shown us is that we can have more fantasy for our buck within the same models.

The DK are their own faction and Koltira went to serve the Forsaken not the Quelthalas because the Forsaken is the society of the undeads of the horde.

I want the aesthetics and the lore blood elf not to be damaged, that the customization continues to have logic and coherence.

if you add undead customization I will think that blizz is clearly ignorant of his own lore and what it means to be a blood elf. the blood elves are the SURVIVORS of the scourge invasion. all lore blood elf is about surviving and protecting quelthalas and the sunwell.

[Luck4]

like this

Yeah!

But talking about transformations I think a light-based transformation would be cool as well, despite all the hate, I like Entropic Embrace, especially because it's a power-up and works for a small period of time, I think transformations are cool. I love the fact that the Worgen has a human form, but I think would've been even better if the race had the customization option to become a werewolf only in combat, giving that sense of power-up.

[Rhlor]

Yeah!

But talking about transformations I think a light-based transformation would be cool as well, despite all the hate, I like Entropic Embrace, especially because it's a power-up and works for a small period of time, I think transformations are cool. I love the fact that the Worgen has a human form, but I think would've been even better if the race had the customization option to become a werewolf only in combat, giving that sense of power-up.

I think customizing this style would be very simple to add and would give the blood elves a unique look that would clearly differentiate them from the void elves.

[FossilFree]

There's no reason Blood Elves couldn't get both a lightforged and a blood theme. The vampires could just be outcasts and not found in Silvermoon. That being said, it really might make more sense to give Forsaken a San'layn model instead. A drastic model change like that would break new ground, but there isn't really anything preventing it from happening. If Alliance needs parity with this addition, give Kul Tirans a skinny model option at the same time.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

The DK are their own faction and Koltira went to serve the Forsaken not the Quelthalas because the Forsaken is the society of the undeads of the horde.

I want the aesthetics and the lore blood elf not to be damaged, that the customization continues to have logic and coherence.

if you add undead customization I will think that blizz is clearly ignorant of his own lore and what it means to be a blood elf. the blood elves are the SURVIVORS of the scourge invasion. all lore blood elf is about surviving and protecting quelthalas and the sunwell.

Answer the question about High Elven Holy Priests using the VE model.

[Rhlor]

Answer the question about High Elven Holy Priests using the VE model.

I don't know, I suppose using the light must cause immense pain as is the case with a forsaken priest. would make sense because alleria feels pain just by touching turalyon

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I don't know, I suppose using the light must cause immense pain as is the case with a forsaken priest. would make sense because alleria feels pain just by touching turalyon

So then you are saying people shouldn't be able to roleplay a High Elven Holy Priest on the Alliance?

[Frenchvince]

I love the idea of adding more braided hairstyles, but I also think that the option of toggling tentacles to braids would serve that same aesthetic on a far more customizable manner. I did my own take on that with one of the dudes hairstyles a while ago, but Keyboardturn did such a great job fully realizing this concept on all the female hairstyles while also adding feathers to truly show that Alleria aesthetic.

I really believe a Tentacle/Braid toggle would be the apex of possibility we have with the current tools, like yeah an on/off toggle would be great, but the option to change them for braids would be incredible.

And I feel that in such a way, more "new" VE hairstyles could be more bold and go further into the Void aesthetic.

To be honest, the idea is good but would not work on some hairstyles or it would be too strange, especially those of men.

I would find it ridiculous to have little bits of braids come out of this hairstyle for example.

We should have the choice of braid, hair or nothing for the tentacle toggle.

[Rhlor]

I think they could, but suffer a lot of pain while use the light

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

To be honest, the idea is good but would not work on some hairstyles or it would be too strange, especially those of men.

I would find it ridiculous to have little bits of braids come out of this hairstyle for example.

We should have the choice of braid, hair or nothing for the tentacle toggle.

Oh yeah for sure; the best way for the toggle to work would be Nothing/Tentacle/Braid; and in some cases, a Tentacle wouldn't have a braid counterpart. You can see how on the female hairstyle above (The wavey bob) the tentacles on the crown aren't replaced with braids.

That's why I think the idea would work on first instance as an Off/On toggle for tentacles, so then adding the Braid option is just a third option on top.

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I think they could, but suffer a lot of pain while use the light

Why would a High Elf with no connection to the void suffer any pain by using Light?

The question here is if you believe that High Elf players can't play a fantasy where they are solely High Elves with no void with the VE model.

[FossilFree]

Why would a High Elf with no connection to the void suffer any pain by using Light?

The question here is if you believe that High Elf players can't play a fantasy where they are solely High Elves with no void with the VE model.

Tentacle toggle/braids should be the the next thing in line for Void Elves, but I would love to see a High Elf option for replacing Entropic Embrace. It would be cool to go all holy and glowing instead of voidy if you choose the natural skin tones. Or perhaps a light blue arcane one if the holy one steps on Blood Elves' toes too much.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Tentacle toggle/braids should be the the next thing in line for Void Elves, but I would love to see a High Elf option for replacing Entropic Embrace. It would be cool to go all holy and glowing instead of voidy if you choose the natural skin tones. Or perhaps a light blue arcane one if the holy one steps on Blood Elves' toes too much.

Oh I would love a glyph for entropic embrace. I think an arcane one that gave you a soft shimmer would be pretty neat and a good alternative for HE players overall.

[FossilFree]

Oh I would love a glyph for entropic embrace. I think an arcane one that gave you a soft shimmer would be pretty neat and a good alternative for HE players overall.

A glyph sounds good to me! Maybe it could have a slight electric quality to it?

Going even further, racial glyphs could be a whole new avenue for customization. Especially for races with multiple themes, like Wildhammer dwarves vs Bronzebeard dwarves.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

A glyph sounds good to me! Maybe it could have a slight electric quality to it?

Going even further, racial glyphs could be a whole new avenue for customization. Especially for races with multiple themes, like Wildhammer dwarves vs Bronzebeard dwarves.

Personally I would just revamp the Racials system entirely, but it would really be just fun to have Glyphs for racials. So much little flavor could be added!