Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

They are still Blood Elves too, you choose them through the Blood Elf character customization.

Same thing could be true for Dark Ranger/Undead Elf, since you can already choose and Undead Elf as a DK.

Dark ranger new hero class?? for blood elves and night elves right? if is a new hero class and their own faction for me is fine

[Varodoc]

Natural hair colors are nice indeed, give me "starcursed" hair textures and I'm happy to come back to the game.

By "Starcursed", do you mean something like this?







(The second one is from League of Legends)

Patience, it shall come in due time. I mean, it took them 3 years to give us fair skin customization options after all, despite the fact that the Ren'dorei leader retains her fair form, and so they should have been available right from the start...

[Rhlor]

Rhlor is rightfully dismissing Warlocks because they never were a core part of Silvermoon society. The uptake of the practice was niche and small. The Warlock uptake has likely also been hindered when the Silvermoon authorities founded Keleen's shop and what he was doing. The Sanctum guild likely put under very heavy sanctions.

I'd argue that we've already got the best and most suitable "Warlock" features on Blood Elves, through their green eyes. I can't think of anything more that makes sense and would work.

You've got to remember that it was fel radiance throughout Quel'Thalas that turned their eyes green. It was not the Silvermoon populace gorging themselves on fel energy or fel magic. The Sunfury Blood Elves who later attacked Silvermoon, were the ones who had gorged themselves on fel magic.

Now, as far as "Death" goes - again, if we go into it, the whole idea of "death" was something that affected the Elves when they still called themselves "High Elves." The only time we've seen raised Sin'dorei were those of the San'layn. Many Rangers and Warriors fell during the Third War and were raised into undeath, like Sylvanas, Velonara and Koltira.
Perhaps the "death" theme is more related to the High Elves, than the Blood Elves as the main slaughter happened to Quel'dorei populace and the San'layn were just a portion of the Illidari armies, before Illidan retreated back to Outland.

do you know any warlock leaders who have been an important part of quelthalas society?

Warlocks are a small minority in the lore, I wouldn't be surprised if many of them actually joined the original Rendorei.

what I don't like is that they want to include undead theme. the undead are thematic of the forsaken no blood elf. elf customization for the forsaken I'm fine with it but not for the blood elves. we live in quelthalas the sunwell radiates light to us all the time!

[Kyriani]

congratulations to the alliance players who wanted this so badly, but may blizz remember that horde players exist too and blood elves need beards, tattoos and scars

I want everyone to get the options I want so I'm cheering for blood elves to get those things too! Though right now my interest is focused on what nightborne are going to get. >_> As one of the allied races with the poorest and smallest selection of options, I'm curious to see just how blizz addresses that. I really hope that it's not just a token number of skin and hair colors. They need so much more than that.

My list for nightborne:

* More faces - especially faces that look younger and ideally several with slanted eyes like the npcs. I'd say every face should have them but the faces they were released with are enjoyed by some and they shouldn't have their faces forcibly changed now.
* More skin colors - even if they copy/paste all of them from night elves.
* More hair colors - again copy them all from night elves if you have to.
* More hair styles - rip some of the new ones from night elves but use the nightborne hair textures and use nightborne hair adornments where applicable
* More eye colors - I've been told that there were datamined nightbonre eye colors prior to shadowlands that never got added... so add them!
* More jewelry - for both males and females
* Facial hair options - because the males have... none.

In a perfect world I'd like to see the whole nightborne model get overhauled to look more like the npcs overall but the above seems more realistic given the time frame and amount of work involved.

[Rhlor]

You're definitely right that most of risen elves were slain as high elves when they defended Quel'thalas from Scourge. I'd say their past life does not matter that much, or rather say their high elf identity, since most of the risen elves who are not strictly evil (e.g
Scourge) appear to care about blood elf survivors and help defend Quel'thalas if able, in their own way. Sylvanas and her Dark Ranger used to patrol Ghostlands. Velonara also states she considers blood elves her people, so she still have feelings towards her nation. In that way, I can see undeath being a additional feature of blood elves. Definitely not dominant one, similarly how we see night elf highborne on the Alliance. They are there, they are part of the community, sometimes they do important stuff, but they are still somewhat accepted minority with complicated past who had to deal with prejudice from the majority.

Also, Horde definitely should finaly have their Dark Ranger option available. Allied races would be probably the best way, but who knows if we ever see more allied races.



Natural hair colors are nice indeed, give me "starcursed" hair textures and I'm happy to come back to the game.

did you ever see dark ranger in quelthalas? never, because they were sylvanas loyalists. dark rangers were always forsaken and whenever you saw them it was in forsaken territory or serving their mistress sylvanas.
dark ranger is forsaken theme even a human undead and undead night elf are dark ranger.

It is not thematic blood elf. give me more light customization, magister and farstrider tattoos that's blood elf theme

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I want everyone to get the options I want so I'm cheering for blood elves to get those things too! Though right now my interest is focused on what nightborne are going to get. >_> As one of the allied races with the poorest and smallest selection of options, I'm curious to see just how blizz addresses that. I really hope that it's not just a token number of skin and hair colors. They need so much more than that.

My list for nightborne:

* More faces - especially faces that look younger and ideally several with slanted eyes like the npcs. I'd say every face should have them but the faces they were released with are enjoyed by some and they shouldn't have their faces forcibly changed now.
* More skin colors - even if they copy/paste all of them from night elves.
* More hair colors - again copy them all from night elves if you have to.
* More hair styles - rip some of the new ones from night elves but use the nightborne hair textures and use nightborne hair adornments where applicable
* More eye colors - I've been told that there were datamined nightbonre eye colors prior to shadowlands that never got added... so add them!
* More jewelry - for both males and females
* Facial hair options - because the males have... none.

In a perfect world I'd like to see the whole nightborne model get overhauled to look more like the npcs overall but the above seems more realistic given the time frame and amount of work involved.

obviously we all want more customization for the nightborne and also for the LF draenei. but this is not the nightborne thread so I am not talking about them here

[Kyriani]

This is neat!

But I think the race desperately needs more hairstyles than hair colors, not Blood Elves ones, just more options in general.

VE Male hairstyles, for instance, are all terribad IMO.

I like several of the void elf hairstyles but I do agree the selection is limited and I'd like to see more (non-blood elf) options in that regard. With that said, I'm not gonna barrage the devs about that right now. Not when I'm elated over getting the final missing piece of the high elf aesthetic.

Yes yes, our racial tag will still say void elf but according to game director Ion Hazzikostas: "void elves are also pretty much another flavor of high elves". Looking the part counts for a lot though, and even those who aren't high elf-stans may find the new hair colors welcome to mix with the void aesthetic. Black and white hair colors is something people on both sides of the issue generally seem to agree that void elves should have had from the get go. Now it seems like they will get them!

[Rootsbum]

You son of a bitch, they did it: They got me excited for the game by letting me become blonde lol.
Hopefully they release it soon so I can play some WoW before the new FFXIV expansion; because nothing can beat bunnyboys

If they add pink skin to LF Draenei in gonna freak out

[Kyriani]

obviously we all want more customization for the nightborne and also for the LF draenei. but this is not the nightborne thread so I am not talking about them here

I understand. Just know that me being happy about these hair colors doesn't mean I don't also want stuff for blood elves too! I hope you get the options you're looking for as well!

[Rhlor]

I understand. Just know that me being happy about these hair colors doesn't mean I don't also want stuff for blood elves too! I hope you get the options you're looking for as well!

I do not think that it is asking much in fact more options light, tattoos and scars. having more beards would also be great

[Yarathir]

Blood elf players still coping now, or?

[Tanaria]

do you know any warlock leaders who have been an important part of quelthalas society?

Warlocks are a small minority in the lore, I wouldn't be surprised if many of them actually joined the original Rendorei.

what I don't like is that they want to include undead theme. the undead are thematic of the forsaken no blood elf. elf customization for the forsaken I'm fine with it but not for the blood elves. we live in quelthalas the sunwell radiates light to us all the time!

She wasn't a leader, but Shinfel Blightsworn was a Blood Elf Warlock who fought Cho'gall alongside the Horde.

Aside from her, we only have the Archaeology trainer, Elynara, who is - for all intensive purposes - the only real known Blood Elf Warlock in Silvermoon.

People need to separate the Sunfury Blood Elves from the Silvermoon Blood Elves. The former were the ones who did the whole "Warlock/Fel" thing and took it to the extremes. These are the "angry bad boy" blood elves that @ravenmoon likes.
Silvermoon Blood Elves took up the practice of draining the magic out of living things...a questionable Arcane magical practice, not related to fel. In the main, Horde Blood Elves of Quel'Thalas, still remained as "Mages." Very few became Warlocks.

[Rhlor]

She wasn't a leader, but Shinfel Blightsworn was a Blood Elf Warlock who fought Cho'gall alongside the Horde.

Aside from her, we only have the Archaeology trainer, Elynara, who is - for all intensive purposes - the only real known Blood Elf Warlock in Silvermoon.

People need to separate the Sunfury Blood Elves from the Silvermoon Blood Elves. The former were the ones who did the whole "Warlock/Fel" thing and took it to the extremes. These are the "angry bad boy" blood elves that @ravenmoon likes.
Silvermoon Blood Elves took up the practice of draining the magic out of living things...a questionable Arcane magical practice, not related to fel. In the main, Horde Blood Elves of Quel'Thalas, still remained as "Mages." Very few became Warlocks.

and she is black harvest a nuetral faction

but in any case I'm just saying that I want more customization that is thematic blood elf not something that is part of the forsaken

[Kyriani]

As I predicted, the official forums are starting to see comments such as:

"They’ve caved to wishes for reasons, but they still haven’t changed the name of the race or anything."

"You still can't be paladins"

"No matter what you RP your race still says void elf"

[Tanaria]

As I predicted, the official forums are starting to see comments such as:

"They’ve caved to wishes for reasons, but they still haven’t changed the name of the race or anything."

"You still can't be paladins"

"No matter what you RP your race still says void elf"

High Elf Paladins were rare at best.
Most High Elves of the Light were mainly Priests (or Mage-Priests if one wishes to be technical about) but, Priests nonetheless.

Only a few like Mehlar Dawnblade, were High Elf Paladin trainees.

[Kyriani]

High Elf Paladins were rare at best.
Most High Elves of the Light were mainly Priests (or Mage-Priests if one wishes to be technical about) but, Priests nonetheless.

Only a few like Mehlar Dawnblade, were High Elf Paladin trainees.

Agreed. But now that the hair is on it's way the opposition is scrounging for any little thing they can use to try and make the happy people... stop being happy.

[Vaedan]

By "Starcursed", do you mean something like this?







(The second one is from League of Legends)

Patience, it shall come in due time. I mean, it took them 3 years to give us fair skin customization options after all, despite the fact that the Ren'dorei leader retains her fair form, and so they should have been available right from the start...

Exactly something like this. To be honest, these concepts interests me way more then natural hair colors for my character and I think it's good way to build upon special theme and aestetics of void elves. Their racial mount and heritage armor has that otherworldly feel to them, so that would go well with the racial design and would distinguish them well from other elven groups. I wouldn't even mind night elves having their astral/stellar features too, building some more connection between Alliance elf nations. That could be interesting.

did you ever see dark ranger in quelthalas? never, because they were sylvanas loyalists. dark rangers were always forsaken and whenever you saw them it was in forsaken territory or serving their mistress sylvanas.
dark ranger is forsaken theme even a human undead and undead night elf are dark ranger.

It is not thematic blood elf. give me more light customization, magister and farstrider tattoos that's blood elf theme

Obviously not in game, because Quel'thalas is frozen in TBC era and Blizzard started to use Dark Ranger NPCs since WotLK.

There were Dark Rangers in Sunwell manga if I remember correctly and also in Three Sisters comics. Sure, they serve mostly Sylvanas, so we see them wherever she orders them to be, but the fact some of them sticked with the Horde because they care about their people, which are described as BOTH Forsaken and Sin'dorei means that they care about their homeland.

In fact, they gave their lives in defense of Quel'thalas and obviously want to protect it in their death too. They abandoned their mistress to stay with their people. It's quite good proof of their loyalty if you ask me.

High Elf Paladins were rare at best.
Most High Elves of the Light were mainly Priests (or Mage-Priests if one wishes to be technical about) but, Priests nonetheless.

Only a few like Mehlar Dawnblade, were High Elf Paladin trainees.

I never understood the desire for High Elf paladins. It's mostly blood elf thing which started with Blood knights. Blood elves also have way deeper connection to the Light then high elves ever did.

If we are ever getting class skins for certain racial themed classes, I can certainly imagine Void knight skin for Void elf paladins. Other then that, it definitely does not fit the race in the slightest.

[shoc]

Does anyone else want MORE void instead of more Blood Elf.

[Rootsbum]

Does anyone else want MORE void instead of more Blood Elf.

100% tentacle hair, darker purple/blue skin and Nzoth-eyes? Yes, super-yes
Heck, give me tentacles instead of arms as well

In glad they go the HighElf way too though, as void elf feels so halfassed I would rather be a High elf

[Kyriani]

Does anyone else want MORE void instead of more Blood Elf.

Now that my hair color wants seem to be being addressed... yes? I may want the high elf aesthetic, but once I am sure I have that (to be determined by the 5 colors we end up getting), then I am all for more void aesthetic options.

I'd like to see an option to make entropic embrace look like Alleria's (hers is darker and she has luminescent purple tinged white hair). I'd like to see a skin tone and hair color option to look like I'm in entropic embrace all the time. I'd like to see a tentacle toggle for the hair (like the night elf vine toggle) that lets me add tentacles to any hairstyle that doesn't have them (even bald!), and also to remove them from the styles that do (even going full void aesthetic, I don't always want tentacles with certain mogs). The toggle would make it so that any future hairstyles added to void elves would always have the option for tentacles or not instead of some styles having them and some not.

And if I want to ask for stuff beyond the scope of my character aesthetics, I'd love some sort of option to make all my spells/skills/attacks use the blue-black void coloration that npc void spells have. Even cooler would be if activating that option didn't just change the visual effects of the spells, but renamed them and changed their icons too! So for example, instead of arcane barrage, it would be void barrage


Purely a visual change, but it would make me happy.
Still, that seems like it would be quite the undertaking, so I won't hold my breath for that.

I'll be content as long as black hair is an option and I can look like this:



Once I have that, my requests will be for more void themed aesthetics.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Rhlor is rightfully dismissing Warlocks because they never were a core part of Silvermoon society. The uptake of the practice was niche and small. The Warlock uptake has likely also been hindered when the Silvermoon authorities founded Keleen's shop and what he was doing. The Sanctum guild likely put under very heavy sanctions.

I'd argue that we've already got the best and most suitable "Warlock" features on Blood Elves, through their green eyes. I can't think of anything more that makes sense and would work.

You've got to remember that it was fel radiance throughout Quel'Thalas that turned their eyes green. It was not the Silvermoon populace gorging themselves on fel energy or fel magic. The Sunfury Blood Elves who later attacked Silvermoon, were the ones who had gorged themselves on fel magic.

All I see you is using the argument of "well most Blood Elves didn't use fel" to keep pushing the idea that fel has no place on BE society. That's utterly transparent. Nothing worse than a BE fan that discards all the sacrifices the BE fel users to keep Quel'thalas alive during the strife. For Shame.

Now, as far as "Death" goes - again, if we go into it, the whole idea of "death" was something that affected the Elves when they still called themselves "High Elves." The only time we've seen raised Sin'dorei were those of the San'layn. Many Rangers and Warriors fell during the Third War and were raised into undeath, like Sylvanas, Velonara and Koltira.
Perhaps the "death" theme is more related to the High Elves, than the Blood Elves as the main slaughter happened to Quel'dorei populace and the San'layn were just a portion of the Illidari armies, before Illidan retreated back to Outland.

And you are now literally making the point that the elves that died defending their homeland wouldn't have proudly take on the mantle of Blood Elves. Please, tell me how many undead high elves there are on the alliance. The gall to try to say most undead elves wouldn't chose to stand by Quel'thalas if they had the choice -like the most of rest of their people did-

JFC, why is it up with fans like you trying to sanitize everything about Blood Elves that doesn't fit your own sanitized version of them? High Elf fans are not the true enemy of Blood Elves, is people like you that keep pushing BE's to only be waht you deem acceptable, and it's appalling.

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Dark ranger new hero class?? for blood elves and night elves right? if is a new hero class and their own faction for me is fine

I find very unlikely we will be getting Dark Rangers as a Hero Class.