Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

Doesn't matter what they are at their core. Look at 8.2 - the Horde scene was commanded by the Blood Elves and Nightborne.

And @Kyriani made the point that just because Void Elves have access to these, doesn't mean that Void Elf NPC's will be using these features (all barring Alleria.) These are RP tools that Blizzard are giving.
The Void Elf NPC's, moving forward (again, with the exception of Alleria) will all likely have "Void" based features.

Plus, the Blood Elves have their big advantage of having Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas, which both need updating, like this:
https://keyboardturner.artstation.com/projects/nQm0Re

So, no - each race will get their due in time. Nothing will be ignored because "it's more Alliance/Horde."

If you ask me, with Turalyon and Alleria rulling Stormwind, Quel'Thalas appears to be in great danger. So the blood elves holding Silvermoon for ever isn't guaranteed.

[Tanaria]

If you ask me, with Turalyon and Alleria rulling Stormwind, Quel'Thalas appears to be in great danger. So the blood elves holding Silvermoon for ever isn't guaranteed.

Another faction war expansion isn't in the best interests of anyone. Especially after BFA.

Plus, Quel'Thalas and the Draenei Isles need to be updated for the Horde and Alliance respectively before they are lost to the opposing faction.

It's Blood Elf fans who have been asking the longest for a Quel'Thalas update. Helf/Velfs fan will have to wait - I mean, maybe Helfs could get a district in Stormwind.
Just because Sin'dorei fans are players on the Horde doesn't mean they should be ignored in favor of Helf fans.

[Pheraz]

Doesn't matter what they are at their core. Look at 8.2 - the Horde scene was commanded by the Blood Elves and Nightborne.

And @Kyriani made the point that just because Void Elves have access to these, doesn't mean that Void Elf NPC's will be using these features (all barring Alleria.) These are RP tools that Blizzard are giving.
The Void Elf NPC's, moving forward (again, with the exception of Alleria) will all likely have "Void" based features.

Plus, the Blood Elves have their big advantage of having Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas, which both need updating, like this:
https://keyboardturner.artstation.com/projects/nQm0Re

So, no - each race will get their due in time. Nothing will be ignored because "it's more Alliance/Horde."

I agree, except the very leader of the void elves, Alleria Windrunner, is still blonde with blue eyes.
I think they will move to more to this pattern for future void elf NPCs now that they have high elf visuals in their palette. I am actually very sure, because if there wouldn't be high elf fans in the blizzard team, we would neither have void elves (which were the first olive branch) nor blonde hair, blue eyes and normal skin.

"Look at me, I am the high elf now" ;D


Only the hair color missing.

[FossilFree]

Another faction war expansion isn't in the best interests of anyone. Especially after BFA.

Plus, Quel'Thalas and the Draenei Isles need to be updated for the Horde and Alliance respectively before they are lost to the opposing faction.

It's Blood Elf fans who have been asking the longest for a Quel'Thalas update. Helf/Velfs fan will have to wait - I mean, maybe Helfs could get a district in Stormwind.
Just because Sin'dorei fans are players on the Horde doesn't mean they should be ignored in favor of Helf fans.

I'd rather see a whole void-themed city on Telogrus than a few tents in Stormwind. In fact, all the tents in Telogrus are the problem. Surely the Void Elves could have built some majestic spires and cathedrals to the void after all this time.

[Tanaria]

I'd rather see a whole void-themed city on Telogrus than a few tents in Stormwind. In fact, all the tents in Telogrus are the problem. Surely the Void Elves could have built some majestic spires and cathedrals to the void after all this time.

Well the key here is that I said "maybe Helfs could get a district in Stormwind."
I'm all in favor of the playable races like Void Elves, getting more and a Telogrus City decorated in Void-Thalassian styles is something I fully support. Maybe something that looks a little like Tempest Keep, but more "void" and "thalassian."

I agree, except the very leader of the void elves, Alleria Windrunner, is still blonde with blue eyes.
I think they will move to more to this pattern for future void elf NPCs now that they have high elf visuals in their palette. I am actually very sure, because if there wouldn't be high elf fans in the blizzard team, we would neither have void elves (which were the first olive branch) nor blonde hair, blue eyes and normal skin.

Which is what I said, but Blizzard has always kept up the difference between the regular void elf npcs and the regular blood elf npcs.

I reckon we might see more high elves (Silver Covenent) and void elves working together which would justify these changes. Maybe they all serve under the Void Elf banner.

[FossilFree]

Well the key here is that I said "maybe Helfs could get a district in Stormwind."
I'm all in favor of the playable races like Void Elves, getting more and a Telogrus City decorated in Void-Thalassian styles is something I fully support. Maybe something that looks a little like Tempest Keep, but more "void" and "thalassian."

I guess I just operate under the assumption that Void Elves and Alliance High Elves have merged into one. That's just my headcanon though, hopefully we get more lore in the future.

[Kyriani]

Another faction war expansion isn't in the best interests of anyone. Especially after BFA.

Plus, Quel'Thalas and the Draenei Isles need to be updated for the Horde and Alliance respectively before they are lost to the opposing faction.

I have to agree on the faction war. It was so contrived in BfA, and if, after all this Shadowlands BS, the two factions don't find a way to keep peace (even if its uneasy, more avoidance and silent animosity, than cooperation), then the faction leaders of both sides need to be deposed. Because how the hell do you not learn that being at war with each other all these years has done nothing good for either side, and not realize that these world ending threats keep showing up and we can't afford to be at each others throats when we face it (oft times together).

As for Quel'Thalas... it needs to be updated desperately IMO. I'd also like to see it and Azuremyst merged into the vanilla world space if possible, but even if that's not possible, they need to be updated and flyable. The funny thing is, the Draenei areas and Exodar can probably be made flyable now with minimal work needed. Since the Exodar is a closed space, and the rest of the islands are pretty much complete even from flying vantage points, the only reason I can see for it not being flyable is that it wouldn't be fair.

Silvermoon and the surrounding areas have so much "smoke and mirrors" elements to give the illusion of a massive city, that it just needs a ton of work. Not to mention the land surrounding Zul Aman would have to be finished/added to/molded to look like a natural part of the landscape. Right now it looks like a big square of mountains surrounding the exterior version of the instance.

Is it possible we'll see void elf npc's using the natural skin and hair colors in the future? Sure, that's always a possibility. But I wouldn't expect any high elf development on the alliance beyond the story showcasing them being slowly merged with the ren'dorei. It may not be the story I wanted for the alliance high elves, but with the addition of void elves, it's the story that makes the most sense to me now.

But who knows what blizzard will do? The "rule of cool" seems to trump what makes sense organically when it comes to blizzard's writing so anything is possible.

[Flade]

So void elves really got blood elf hair colours, huh? Give them a few more years and maybe they'll get non-tentacle hairstyles as well.

Jokes on you, all of them will be without tentacles :^]

Plus, Quel'Thalas and the Draenei Isles need to be updated for the Horde and Alliance respectively before they are lost to the opposing faction.

It's Blood Elf fans who have been asking the longest for a Quel'Thalas update.

Lmao, i remember being pretty pissed that they didnt do this for BFA, i mean it was the perfect time to do so. They could at the very least connect it to actual landmass of EK.

[Pheraz]

I have to agree on the faction war. It was so contrived in BfA, and if, after all this Shadowlands BS, the two factions don't find a way to keep peace (even if its uneasy, more avoidance and silent animosity, than cooperation), then the faction leaders of both sides need to be deposed. Because how the hell do you not learn that being at war with each other all these years has done nothing good for either side, and not realize that these world ending threats keep showing up and we can't afford to be at each others throats when we face it (oft times together).

As for Quel'Thalas... it needs to be updated desperately IMO. I'd also like to see it and Azuremyst merged into the vanilla world space if possible, but even if that's not possible, they need to be updated and flyable. The funny thing is, the Draenei areas and Exodar can probably be made flyable now with minimal work needed. Since the Exodar is a closed space, and the rest of the islands are pretty much complete even from flying vantage points, the only reason I can see for it not being flyable is that it wouldn't be fair.

Silvermoon and the surrounding areas have so much "smoke and mirrors" elements to give the illusion of a massive city, that it just needs a ton of work. Not to mention the land surrounding Zul Aman would have to be finished/added to/molded to look like a natural part of the landscape. Right now it looks like a big square of mountains surrounding the exterior version of the instance.

Is it possible we'll see void elf npc's using the natural skin and hair colors in the future? Sure, that's always a possibility. But I wouldn't expect any high elf development on the alliance beyond the story showcasing them being slowly merged with the ren'dorei. It may not be the story I wanted for the alliance high elves, but with the addition of void elves, it's the story that makes the most sense to me now.

But who knows what blizzard will do? The "rule of cool" seems to trump what makes sense organically when it comes to blizzard's writing so anything is possible.

If we stop this Shadowlands lore path and go back to the open plots I can totally see void elves attack silver moon. Didn't alleria say she wanted silvermoon back?
Then they also need to remake everything. This would be soooo cool

[Tanaria]

If we stop this Shadowlands lore path and go back to the open plots I can totally see void elves attack silver moon. Didn't alleria say she wanted silvermoon back?
Then they also need to remake everything. This would be soooo cool

That's a sure fire way to win back Lor'themar and crew.

Just attack the Sin'dorei and spark another faction war.

Hell, whilst we're at it - if Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas goes Alliance, maybe Broken Isles should be completed and go to the Horde, with a Suramar update and Azsuna being the new homeland of the Blood Elves.

Night Elves are removed from the Isles, so it can become full Horde land.

[Kyriani]

If we stop this Shadowlands lore path and go back to the open plots I can totally see void elves attack silver moon. Didn't alleria say she wanted silvermoon back?
Then they also need to remake everything. This would be soooo cool

Alleria wants silvermoon and the sin'dorei to rejoin the alliance, not wipe them out in a pointless war. There's really no compelling reason to attack silvermoon. The alliance (in WoW at least) haven't really been presented as the type to invade and conquer other nations.

[Tanaria]

If Alleria were to invade Quel'thalas, would it not feel more like a civil war if she had some local backing? Perhaps attempting to seize the throne.

It's all dependent on whether the local population would choose her over Lor'themar.
To them, the void elves pose a threat to the Sunwell. Alleria wasn't in Quel'Thalas when they lost the Sunwell first time round. Lor'themar was.

She has been absent from the events of Quel'Thalas for so long, that if 90% choose Lor'themar and the Horde, then she might as well just not bother.

[Varodoc]

If Alleria were to invade Quel'thalas, would it not feel more like a civil war if she had some local backing? Perhaps attempting to seize the throne.

Alleria has:

- The Ren'dorei, Children of the Void, who are loyal to her, and are not comprised solely of biological Void elves but also of High and Blood elves who have travelled to Telogrus Rift to delve in the study of the Void.

- The Quel'dorei of the Silver Covenant who are loyal to her sister Vereesa, who follows Alleria around and acknowledges Alleria as her elder sister and superior.

- The Windrunner name in itself is enough to start a civil war. If Daenerys Targaryen can start a civil war because of her name then so can Alleria. Reminder that the Windrunner were the second most influential family in Quel'Thalas, they were literally in charge of the entire Military and have been for millennia. The name itself means power and can be used as leverage.

It must also be noted that the Sunstriders, the former royal house, has gone extinct with the death of Kael'thas. And Lor'themar Theron is just a peasant, a commoner. Which would leave the Windrunners as the strongest family in the old kingdom, that we know of naturally. And naturally Alleria is the head of House Windrunner, as the eldest heir.

If Alleria wanted to she could easily lay claim to the throne of Quel'Thalas and start a civil war. She has the support (Void elves, High elves, and many Blood elves followers, and her husband is now High King of the Alliance), she has the family name and prestige (she is literally one of the most famous heroes in Thalassian history), what more does she need? She needs Blizzard to care about her, unfortunately that is beyond her capabilities

[Ardenaso]

would Auric Sunchaser and Rose'leth (both neutrals) approve of Alleria, their former leader, turning against their own kin in Quel'thalas? Auric is mediating between the neutral High Elves and the Blood Elves

would the Argent Crusade Lordaeronians and High Elves (both neutrals again) approve of Turalyon, a fellow Lordaeronian attacking Western Lordaeron and Quel'thalas, and perhaps using Eastern Plaguelands as a staging ground, when they are good with them and as well as the entire Horde with literally zero beef? Eligor Dawnbringer is friends with Eitrigg and Maxwell Tyrosus is implied to be acquaintances with Liadrin

[Tanaria]

Alleria has:

- The Ren'dorei, Children of the Void, who are loyal to her, and are not comprised solely of biological Void elves but also of High and Blood elves who have travelled to Telogrus Rift to delve in the study of the Void.

- The Quel'dorei of the Silver Covenant who are loyal to her sister Vereesa, who follows Alleria around and acknowledges Alleria as her elder sister and superior.

- The Windrunner name in itself is enough to start a civil war. If Daenerys Targaryen can start a civil war because of her name then so can Alleria. Reminder that the Windrunner were the second most influential family in Quel'Thalas, they were literally in charge of the entire Military and have been for millennia. The name itself means power and can be used as leverage.

It must also be noted that the Sunstriders, the former royal house, has gone extinct with the death of Kael'thas. And Lor'themar Theron is just a peasant, a commoner. Which would leave the Windrunners as the strongest family in the old kingdom, that we know of naturally. And naturally Alleria is the head of House Windrunner, as the eldest heir.

If Alleria wanted to she could easily lay claim to the throne of Quel'Thalas and start a civil war. She has the support (Void elves, High elves, and many Blood elves followers, and her husband is now High King of the Alliance), she has the family name and prestige (she is literally one of the most famous heroes in Thalassian history), what more does she need? She needs Blizzard to care about her, unfortunately that is beyond her capabilities

Give it "however many years" until after Quel'Thalas has been updated for the Horde, then we'll talk about alliance or velfs getting quel'thalas.

Until then, it's Blood Elven fanbase that has been extremely patient which should be rewarded.

So, if it takes 25 years for this first update for the Blood Elves and the Horde, then it should take another 25 years for the alliance to get it. Fair is fair.

This is just a minority of Alliance players wanting something nice that has the Horde has, but coming over with the arrogant attitude of "Well, I'm Alliance. I'm better than you. Your Horde. Your second class." Thank heavens the MMO-champion mods can sniff that BS out.

and the Windrunner are just a bunch of Rangers. Lor'themar Theron was second in-command to the previous Ranger General, Sylvanas. Then he was elected, by the ruling Prince to be the Lord Regent. Alleria can expand her little camp on Telgorus. She's been absent from Quel'Thalas for too long and doesn't understand the struggles of the Sin'dorei. Alleria will never be Queen (or anything else you make up), because the Windrunners are a bunch of Human-loving, Alliance-loving trouts who care more about their Human Male partners than they do about their people - the Sin'dorei.

[Varodoc]

would Auric Sunchaser and Rose'leth (both neutrals) approve of Alleria, their former leader, turning against their own kin in Quel'thalas? Auric is mediating between the neutral High Elves and the Blood Elves

would the Argent Crusade Lordaeronians and High Elves (both neutrals again) approve of Turalyon, a fellow Lordaeronian attacking Western Lordaeron and Quel'thalas, and perhaps using Eastern Plaguelands as a staging ground, when they are good with them and as well as the entire Horde with literally zero beef? Eligor Dawnbringer is friends with Eitrigg and Maxwell Tyrosus is implied to be acquaintances with Liadrin

Auric Sunchaser literally named his home "Allerian Stronghold", so there you have it.

You know it's cute how you think neutral factions matter, why don't we ask ourselves if the Cenarion Circle would approve of the Horde laying waste to Teldrassil.

[Tanaria]

I can't wait to kill velf npcs in the new updated Quel'Thalas for Horde Sin'dorei players.

It's why the Sin'dorei are one of the, if not, the best race on Azeroth.

[ravenmoon]

If you ask me, with Turalyon and Alleria rulling Stormwind, Quel'Thalas appears to be in great danger. So the blood elves holding Silvermoon for ever isn't guaranteed.

It probably would depend on the fan support. And let’s be fair, the alliance will win this one.

The blood elves were never fully established or integrated into the horde. How could they. They were an alliance race transplanted to the horde for number. Not to expand the theme, identity or morph the horde ideology.

this is why they were largely out of the majority of horde activity either having peripheral roles with token representation and cameos or had their own separate story. Useful to include the horde in matters that formerly would have beeen exclusively alliance but blizzard wanted to open up to all.

in time though their large presence and following amongst players somewhat did influence horde story telling. You’d have to wait till the last few years to see how much.

saying that. With highbelves avaialble now. It has been the alliance fans far more keen about the elves than horde ones. Blood elf fans exempting ofc. Because bloodnelves went horde we had a bunch of elf fans gonhorde too and stay there.

But to be honest a lot who play blood elves think they are alliance suited and with high elves around would likely back that play too.

The end result is that alliance interest in highbelves amongst the fans might very well dwarf horde ones shifting the development of Thalassians to favour alliance.

while we will never see the horde lose blood elves. Silvermoon and Quel’thalas is a real possibility. So is some sort of share.

The only thing that would stop this is if blizzard build a high /void elf city for them and it is very impressive. It needs to be amazing otherwise they will always covet their original lore home of Quel’thalas just as night elves who know the War of the Ancients origin story cover Suramar back. And will do until they have something just as nice or nicer. And there are many more alliance night elf fans than horde Nightborne ones.

The current for elf groups as they are very much alliance leaning in every way. So this is how development would lean if fan driven

[Tanaria]

SNIP

Night Elves stay at Hyjal.
Void Elves build their own void-city.

Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei remain where they are.

If anything, it's Sin'dorei fans who have demanded a Quel'Thalas update. Fan of the Sin'dorei. Not Quel'dorei. Not velfs. Not nelfs. It's the Sin'dorei fanbase.

Before Alliance can have Quel'Thalas, the Horde must be given the Quel'Thalas update first and then the Alliance must wait x amount of years until a second update. So, it's been 14 years since the Blood Elves came in - maybe 17 years for the update to take place for the Horde. After that, Alliance fans can wait another 17 years for a possibly Quel'Thalas update.

Alliance fans wanting Quel'Thalas is dwarfed by the many years Sin'dorei fans have wanted a Quel'Thalas update.

[Pheraz]

Let's try to leave out the emotions. I think it would just be a cool setting. Void elves could even lose, or it wouldn't need to be a real civil war but maybe sneaky missions or agency stuff to convince silvermoon citizens to join Alleria and her void / silver gang.
Plus this would actually be a reason to remake the whole "island". And we know blizzard... They only change zones when it is useful for the gameplay.