Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

Let's try to leave out the emotions. I think it would just be a cool setting. Void elves could even lose, or it wouldn't need to be a real civil war but maybe sneaky missions or agency stuff to convince silvermoon citizens to join Alleria and her void / silver gang.
Plus this would actually be a reason to remake the whole "island". And we know blizzard... They only change zones when it is useful for the gameplay.

I'm just good with a band of velf thugs, who have broken away from Alleria and Umbric and make a base in Deatholme. The Sin'dorei Farstriders and Thalassian Dark Rangers work together to end their little incursion...perhaps they are trying to raise Dark'han through the powers of the void.
They serve the same function as the Blood Elf Bandits on Azuremyst. Hostile to both factions.

[Varodoc]

Let's try to leave out the emotions. I think it would just be a cool setting. Void elves could even lose, or it wouldn't need to be a real civil war but maybe sneaky missions or agency stuff to convince silvermoon citizens to join Alleria and her void / silver gang.
Plus this would actually be a reason to remake the whole "island". And we know blizzard... They only change zones when it is useful for the gameplay.

Why exactly are people talking about the Ren'dorei starting a civil war in the actual lore as if that were a possibility?

Canonically we know that Alleria only seeks to bring Quel'Thalas back into the Alliance, she absolutely does not want to lay waste on it. The original discussion was about the potentiality of the Ren'dorei starting a civil war, in a vacuum. In a vacuum they indeed have the means to do it. But canonically we know that Alleria isn't a warmonger.

Though she undoubtedly has the military means to invade Quel'Thalas, she will simply try to reconcile with the other Thalassian diplomatically. "Me strong, me smash, me ork!" is the Horde way after all, not the Alliance.

[Rhlor]

Alleria has:

- The Ren'dorei, Children of the Void, who are loyal to her, and are not comprised solely of biological Void elves but also of High and Blood elves who have travelled to Telogrus Rift to delve in the study of the Void.

- The Quel'dorei of the Silver Covenant who are loyal to her sister Vereesa, who follows Alleria around and acknowledges Alleria as her elder sister and superior.

- The Windrunner name in itself is enough to start a civil war. If Daenerys Targaryen can start a civil war because of her name then so can Alleria. Reminder that the Windrunner were the second most influential family in Quel'Thalas, they were literally in charge of the entire Military and have been for millennia. The name itself means power and can be used as leverage.

It must also be noted that the Sunstriders, the former royal house, has gone extinct with the death of Kael'thas. And Lor'themar Theron is just a peasant, a commoner. Which would leave the Windrunners as the strongest family in the old kingdom, that we know of naturally. And naturally Alleria is the head of House Windrunner, as the eldest heir.

If Alleria wanted to she could easily lay claim to the throne of Quel'Thalas and start a civil war. She has the support (Void elves, High elves, and many Blood elves followers, and her husband is now High King of the Alliance), she has the family name and prestige (she is literally one of the most famous heroes in Thalassian history), what more does she need? She needs Blizzard to care about her, unfortunately that is beyond her capabilities

in the first place the second most important noble family of quelthalas were the solanar! who held the position of grand magister and led the magister. currently the last known member of the solanar is lord solanar who is the second in command of the blood knight although I always thought that rommath is also a solanar.

in second place lorthemar was the second in command of the rangers and even alleria referred to him as lord theron. any blood elf will recognize lorthemar as the greatest hero of quelthalas the savior of a nation on the brink of death for something rommath and halduron want to name him king.

of course you can invade quel'thalas I suppose it's possible but don't use those excuses.

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This is just a minority of Alliance players wanting something nice that has the Horde has, but coming over with the arrogant attitude of "Well, I'm Alliance. I'm better than you. Your Horde. Your second class." Thank heavens the MMO-champion mods can sniff that BS out.

and this is another reason why I don't want sanlayn! we have alliance players like ravenmoon who just want to destroy us, take away our racial identity, steal quelthalas from us, turn us into a homeless people and in turn give us cannibal undead no doubt to say "we deserve quelthalas because you are undead and we are alive" as happens with lordaeron

[Flade]

Personally i'd prefer for Silvermoon to stay with blood elves, velfs/helfs -lets call them Allerians- should build a new cool city in Telogrus Rift, if done right, that thing would look bloody amazing.

[Tanaria]

and this is another reason why I don't want sanlayn! we have alliance players like ravenmoon who just want to destroy us, take away our racial identity, steal quelthalas from us, turn us into a homeless people and in turn give us cannibal undead no doubt to say "we deserve quelthalas because you are undead and we are alive" as happens with lordaeron

I don't mind extra features, so long as things like "San'layn/Dark Ranger" are for RP purposes only.

The San'layn have never actually engaged with the Sin'dorei of Silvermoon. The only ones who they have spoken to are:

Sunreaver Blood Elves (neutral)
Zandalari and Darkspear Trolls
Night Elves
Humans.

They have very little that connects them to Quel'Thalas now.

I just don't understand why Blood Elves need to change in order to accommodate the Alliance? I play Blood Elves, they are Horde. I don't care about the Alliance..

[Kyriani]

Void Elves build their own void-city.

While I don't see the void elves ever getting a whole city to call their own, I'd love to see a small fortress built in Telogrus as their base of operation rather than just a few tents. A floating fortress in the void as the Ren'dorei's home just seems cool to me.

[Tanaria]

While I don't see the void elves ever getting a whole city to call their own, I'd love to see a small fortress built in Telogrus as their base of operation rather than just a few tents. A floating fortress in the void as the Ren'dorei's home just seems cool to me.

Is it their own style, or could it be something that is similar to 3 Tempest Keep dungeons, but done with far more Void, Arcane and void elf-like tapestries?

[elbleuet]

Alleria believes Quel'Thzlas is destined to rejoin the Alliance.
Umbric wants to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.
Turalyon wants to reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron holdings (hello Silvermoon!)

Now the Alliance will have real High elves and thus the blood elves are officially a neutral race.

If you really think Silvermoon will be updated for nothing except to please some Horde fans, then you're gonna be disappointed.

Ofc the Alliance will return to Silvermoon one day.

[Vaedan]

And @Kyriani made the point that just because Void Elves have access to these, doesn't mean that Void Elf NPC's will be using these features (all barring Alleria.) These are RP tools that Blizzard are giving.
The Void Elf NPC's, moving forward (again, with the exception of Alleria) will all likely have "Void" based features.

Well, yes exactly. There is really no point for "uncorrupted" void elf, since Alliance has actual high elf NPCs since the launch of the classic and has high elf NPCs and factions reemerging during course of the game. Void elf NPCs will most likely be defined by void features and high elves will stay "vanilla" elves. The key difference is that Alliance players have now access to the "pure" elf aestetics and can RP as one. Sure, it will not be ideal because of racial tag and racial skills, but hey, I can settle with that.

Plus, the Blood Elves have their big advantage of having Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas, which both need updating, like this:
https://keyboardturner.artstation.com/projects/nQm0Re

So, no - each race will get their due in time. Nothing will be ignored because "it's more Alliance/Horde."

That looks really good. I wish we will see this revamp one day. I also wish alliance high elves and void elves will build a new home together somewhere. It's time they leave human cities and find their own place in the world.

[Tanaria]

Alleria believes Quel'Thzlas is destined to rejoin the Alliance.
Umbric wants to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.
Turalyon wants to reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron holdings (hello Silvermoon!)

Now the Alliance will have real High elves and thus the blood elves are officially a neutral race.

If you really think Silvermoon will be updated for nothing except to please some Horde fans, then you're gonna be disappointed.

Ofc the Alliance will return to Silvermoon one day.

Sin'dorei Fans > what a few Alliance fans want.

Again, why should the Sin'dorei and the Horde be disregarded because of Alliance fans? They shouldn't.

If you really think Blizzard will update Quel'Thalas for the Alliance, then you will not be happy. Of course, it's going to be updated for the Sin'dorei and the Horde. You'll just have to wait 20 years, for the second update where your faction might get it.

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Well, yes exactly. There is really no point for "uncorrupted" void elf, since Alliance has actual high elf NPCs since the launch of the classic and has high elf NPCs and factions reemerging during course of the game. Void elf NPCs will most likely be defined by void features and high elves will stay "vanilla" elves. The key difference is that Alliance players have now access to the "pure" elf aestetics and can RP as one. Sure, it will not be ideal because of racial tag and racial skills, but hey, I can settle with that.

That looks really good. I wish we will see this revamp one day. I also wish alliance high elves and void elves will build a new home together somewhere. It's time they leave human cities and find their own place in the world.

I don't mind Void Elves getting their city, so long as the Sin'dorei have Quel'Thalas, Silvermoon and the Sunwell.

[Rhlor]

Alleria believes Quel'Thzlas is destined to rejoin the Alliance.
Umbric wants to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.
Turalyon wants to reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron holdings (hello Silvermoon!)

Now the Alliance will have real High elves and thus the blood elves are officially a neutral race.

If you really think Silvermoon will be updated for nothing except to please some Horde fans, then you're gonna be disappointed.

Ofc the Alliance will return to Silvermoon one day.

We are the most played race of the horde

[Vaedan]

I don't mind Void Elves getting their city, so long as the Sin'dorei have Quel'Thalas, Silvermoon and the Sunwell.

I think blood elves (rightfully) will remain in control of Silvermoon. If there ever will be a expansion focusing on conflict of Light and Void, Sunwell might play some part again in the storyline, since it's quite potent font of power, infused with Light. I'm not just sure if Blizzard will ever again pull some huge twists like Burning of Teldrassil, since they were not able to handle such world shaking events properly and got critized for that.

[Kyriani]

Is it their own style, or could it be something that is similar to 3 Tempest Keep dungeons, but done with far more Void, Arcane and void elf-like tapestries?

I dont think it would be like tempest keep since that's specifically draenei architecture. I think it might be cool to make it something new in a style similar to the heritage armor. Lots of sweeping sharp points, golds, purples, and void crystal adornments.

Basically turn this into a building :P

[Tanaria]

I think blood elves (rightfully) will remain in control of Silvermoon. If there ever will be a expansion focusing on conflict of Light and Void, Sunwell might play some part again in the storyline, since it's quite potent font of power, infused with Light. I'm not just sure if Blizzard will ever again pull some huge twists like Burning of Teldrassil, since they were not able to handle such world shaking events properly and got critized for that.

They did get criticized for it, but I think that was a little too much. I don't like Golden's writing style, but the abuse she got was not called for and anyone involved should have been ashamed of themselves.

A Light vs Void expansion could be something that involves the Sin'dorei and the Sunwell quite heavily, but we don't know whether that would involve the Elves losing the Sunwell again. Their are ways Blizzard could tell that story and make Silvermoon far more "Sunfury" like, with Blood and Fel Crystals dotted around and a strong focus on Arcane magic, but it's whether they'd want to retell that story again.

I mean, to take on the Void would likely involve the Void Elves, but I reckon, their counterpart - the Shal'dorei, should be the Horde leaders, since Suramar had Void-Arcane Elementals dotted around the Nighthold.

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I dont think it would be like tempest keep since that's specifically draenei architecture. I think it might be cool to make it something new in a style similar to the heritage armor. Lots of sweeping sharp points, golds, purples, and void crystal adornments.

Basically turn this into a building :P

Ahh I see what you mean.

I reckon it still needs to have that "element" of Thalassian though. Maybe some Elven Sanctums, but with purple, gold and blue colours instead of red, white and gold.

[Kyriani]

Ahh I see what you mean.

I reckon it still needs to have that "element" of Thalassian though. Maybe some Elven Sanctums, but with purple, gold and blue colours instead of red, white and gold.

I wouldn't object to doing it that way, but I think it might upset a lot of blood elf players if even more of "their stuff" was put to use for void elves.

[elbleuet]

Sin'dorei Fans > what a few Alliance fans want.

Again, why should the Sin'dorei and the Horde be disregarded because of Alliance fans? They shouldn't.

If you really think Blizzard will update Quel'Thalas for the Alliance, then you will not be happy. Of course, it's going to be updated for the Sin'dorei and the Horde. You'll just have to wait 20 years, for the second update where your faction might get it.

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I don't mind Void Elves getting their city, so long as the Sin'dorei have Quel'Thalas, Silvermoon and the Sunwell.

You're aware that blood elves fans were proved wrong on all questions ?

"You never be given the blood elf model"'
"You will never be given fair skinned elves"
"blood hairs will remain exclusive to the blood elves"
"Alleria will be neutral"

You guys lost on all fronts. So you saying me "You will never get blablabla" is kinda funny.

Quel'Thalas will be updated for both faction, not for the Horde or the Alliance only because now the blood elves are a neutral race.

[Tanaria]

You're aware that blood elves fans were proved wrong on all questions ?

"You never be given the blood elf model"'
"You will never be given fair skinned elves"
"blood hairs will remain exclusive to the blood elves"
"Alleria will be neutral"

You guys lost on all fronts. So you saying me "You will never get blablabla" is kinda funny.

Quel'Thalas will be updated for both faction, not for the Horde or the Alliance only because now the blood elves are a neutral race.

Blood Elves are a Horde race.

Log in and play the game. It's your headcanon and longing wish for "Alliance Silvermoon" that has caused you to miss a few points in the lore.
Blizzard knows the score with the Sin'dorei and know what the longing wish for the Sin'dorei fanbase is.

It's hilarious that you think they will ignore the Sin'dorei fanbase in favor of a scattered few Alliance fans and their wish for everything in WoW to be solely, Alliance.

And yes - Quel'Thalas will be updated for the playable Sin'dorei, where we might get to go and kill some radical velfs who set up shop in Deatholme. But the story will be told from the Horde.

[Varodoc]

in the first place the second most important noble family of quelthalas were the solanar! who held the position of grand magister and led the magister

Okay, then show me the village and spire named after the Solanar family. I'll wait.

in second place lorthemar was the second in command of the rangers and even alleria referred to him as lord theron

When did this happen?

Also Lor'themar was just second-in-command while it was a Windrunner (Lireesa, then Sylvanas) who led the Farstriders, enough said.

By the way, just because A calls B "my lord" doesn't mean that B is A's superior. For instance, a King could refer to one of his subjects as "My Lord" as a form of courtesy. And we know that Theron was second-in-command to the Windrunners.

[Rhlor]

Okay, then show me the village and spire named after the Solanar family. I'll wait.

When did this happen?

Also Lor'themar was just second-in-command while it was a Windrunner (Lireesa, then Sylvanas) who led the Farstriders, enough said.

By the way, just because A calls B "my lord" doesn't mean that B is A's superior. For instance, a King could refer to one of his subjects as "My Lord" as a form of courtesy. And we know that Theron was second-in-command to the Windrunners.

Tides of darkness, lorthemar was the leader of the defenders in quelthalas agianst the horde. Turalyon and lorthemar make friends in this time.
The dawnstar family have a spire and a village but they are not so important. The magister were always the most importants

[elbleuet]

Blood Elves are a Horde race.

Log in and play the game. It's your headcanon and longing wish for "Alliance Silvermoon" that has caused you to miss a few points in the lore.
Blizzard knows the score with the Sin'dorei and know what the longing wish for the Sin'dorei fanbase is.

It's hilarious that you think they will ignore the Sin'dorei fanbase in favor of a scattered few Alliance fans and their wish for everything in WoW to be solely, Alliance.

And yes - Quel'Thalas will be updated for the playable Sin'dorei, where we might get to go and kill some radical velfs who set up shop in Deatholme. But the story will be told from the Horde.

Last time I checked high elves are for everyone, there are Alliance blood elves in Telogrus Rift, and Quel'Thalas most renowned family stands with the Alliance.

Can you play a dwarf in the Horde ?

Blood elves story is over. You are now long eared humans adorable with everyone and seeking redemption in the light. Void elves story still isn't. They still have to return to the homeland they think is still theirs.

And Deathholme is a scourge settlement. Not a Ren'dorei one.