Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Yarathir]

the most played race in the game are humans. there is no population imbalance, the horde and the alliance population are equal. there are more hardcore players in the horde and more RP players in the alliance.
I know there are alliance players who want more players to do M + but for that you need better racials or dissolve factions.

So there is an imbalance.

Or did a good chunk of Alliance players that were doing high-end content like upper m+s and mythic raiding just suddenly up and retire to roleplay while the Horde RPers coincidentally took up the mantle of high-end gameplay? Like what level of willful ignorance are we working with here?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I agree, except the very leader of the void elves, Alleria Windrunner, is still blonde with blue eyes.
I think they will move to more to this pattern for future void elf NPCs now that they have high elf visuals in their palette. I am actually very sure, because if there wouldn't be high elf fans in the blizzard team, we would neither have void elves (which were the first olive branch) nor blonde hair, blue eyes and normal skin.

"Look at me, I am the high elf now" ;D


Only the hair color missing.

I do think that in the future we will be seeing more variation on VE NPC's tho, I think Blizzard will start making the decision to portray them as a mix of Umbric and Alleria's group. But that's just theorizing, based on my assumption that we will be seeing more VE initiates.

Honestly we will have to wait til next expansion to see how the Void Elves have shaken up in our time away from Azeroth. If next expansion is indeed light focused, Void will be the obvious foil.

Even if the Void Elves themselves as a race were rushed, it is obvious they have big plans for Alleria and the Void with all the set up done in Argus, and I really think that will pay off narratively, and to finally settle on a deeper identity for Void Elves.

Also she looks so lime green, I love it.

[Swnem]

the most played race in the game are humans. there is no population imbalance, the horde and the alliance population are equal. there are more hardcore players in the horde and more RP players in the alliance.
I know there are alliance players who want more players to do M + but for that you need better racials or dissolve factions.

Is that your head canon or what? You trying to will that into existance?

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics/region/eu

Any simple google search proves you to be incorrect.
If you disagree, best bring forth evidence and not word salad.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

If Blizzard wants a civil war happening in Silvermoon for whatever reasons, they will not ask you for permission

Back in Legion, Stromgarde was an undead kingdom.

In a single patch, the kingdom was restored and inhabited by the Alliance.

While I would like a Thalassian civil war, it really might not happen within WoW's story.

It could really be the sort of thread that is never pulled. We already have Alleria's intentions, but who knows if it will become actions.

Nonetheless, even if an all out war doesn't happen, I would like to see the Ghostlands be treated more like a contested territory with the Windrunners retaking their ancestral home, that would just be cool to me in terms of storytelling. Like kind of a cold war vibe going on as both sides try to resettle the Ghostlands.

The conflict of the Void Elves powers leaving a mark in the land -that they swear is totally safe- feeling like yet another defiling to the Blood Elves, contrasted with Alleria and Lor'themar trying to maintain diplomatic relationships and enough civility by keeping a peace treaty could be mined for years of simmering conflict.

[Ardenaso]

If Alliance Elves get a city again, they should have to split it. Void Elves get one side, High Elves another, and Night Elves the third.. Have a river and a tributary split up the three districts, with a central community area in the center.

Eldre'thalas! It could be a new fortress for Void Elves, Shen'dralar, and Alliance High Elves (with Draenei inhabitants since they're also arcane-oriented)

[delus]

In general, the numbers of both the horde and the alliance declined a lot in the last year, most of them went to the FF14

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So they would rather play a game without factions?

[Pheraz]

I do think that in the future we will be seeing more variation on VE NPC's tho, I think Blizzard will start making the decision to portray them as a mix of Umbric and Alleria's group. But that's just theorizing, based on my assumption that we will be seeing more VE initiates.

Honestly we will have to wait til next expansion to see how the Void Elves have shaken up in our time away from Azeroth. If next expansion is indeed light focused, Void will be the obvious foil.

Even if the Void Elves themselves as a race were rushed, it is obvious they have big plans for Alleria and the Void with all the set up done in Argus, and I really think that will pay off narratively, and to finally settle on a deeper identity for Void Elves.

Also she looks so lime green, I love it.

Aww thank you <3

Well, thinking about the introduction of void elves... I am currently thinking that it was not so rushed after all, even though it looked like a "taunt" from "horde loving devs" to "HE wanting" alliance players. The Argus patch was planted from the beginning and so was the re-introduction of Alleria. So I guess they just went for a more voidy-look as most players wanted to not piss blood elf fans of from the beginning or to just make them stand out more. Personally I felt Nightborne for the Alliance to be more "offending" than void elves, but this is a different topic.

So you are right they were rushed in some kind of way. Either in a way of "coming out of nowhere" in the lore, or from not giving the obvious most wanted looks to alliance at the start.
I am happy now and am really looking forward for the PTR tomorrow. They said "there is more" so maybe maybe maybe, we will also get braids instead of tentacles and not just tentacle removal. Or even Alleria tattoos

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in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde, alleria could find a lot of common ground there for supporters.

I might need to buy this book. Sounds very interesting!

[elbleuet]

in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde, alleria could find a lot of common ground there for supporters.

I completely forgot that !

Obviously Alleria will cause a lot of troubles in Silvermoon in the near future.

[Amaterasu65]

I completely forgot that !

Obviously Alleria will cause a lot of troubles in Silvermoon in the near future.

As she should.

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Alleria believes Quel'Thzlas is destined to rejoin the Alliance.
Umbric wants to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.
Turalyon wants to reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron holdings (hello Silvermoon!)

Now the Alliance will have real High elves and thus the blood elves are officially a neutral race.

If you really think Silvermoon will be updated for nothing except to please some Horde fans, then you're gonna be disappointed.

Ofc the Alliance will return to Silvermoon one day.

The destroyed half of Silvermoon is waiting for the Alliance to rebuild in all its majesty.

[Pheraz]

Found steve danuser (lead developer/designer of the story) tweeting about 9.1.5 changes. Makes me wonder if they actually asked him for "OK" him for the blonde void elves?

"9.1.5 will feature a number of tasty treats, coming from a place of love for the game. Hope you enjoy!"

Source: https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...08954810785799

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Aww thank you <3

Well, thinking about the introduction of void elves... I am currently thinking that it was not so rushed after all, even though it looked like a "taunt" from "horde loving devs" to "HE wanting" alliance players. The Argus patch was planted from the beginning and so was the re-introduction of Alleria. So I guess they just went for a more voidy-look as most players wanted to not piss blood elf fans of from the beginning or to just make them stand out more. Personally I felt Nightborne for the Alliance to be more "offending" than void elves, but this is a different topic.

So you are right they were rushed in some kind of way. Either in a way of "coming out of nowhere" in the lore, or from not giving the obvious most wanted looks to alliance at the start.
I am happy now and am really looking forward for the PTR tomorrow. They said "there is more" so maybe maybe maybe, we will also get braids instead of tentacles and not just tentacle removal. Or even Alleria tattoos !

I think Void Elves were not planed to be an AR when they were developing Alleria's story, and neither High Elves really.

Like I think they knew the void was going to be a relevant part of the lore going forward, but that they didn't particularly consider an AR based on that, but when the opportunity presented itself with Alleria's arc, they rushed the void elves intro development knowing they could develop that whole aspect of her with a people to guide. And I kinda think it was a genuine effort of giving a thalssian aesthetic, but at a point where they were still designing around aesthetic segregation.

To me it just looks like they realized how cool and how much potential Alleria's path would have for an AR and they jumped the gun a bit with the implementation. I do believe that her development points towards Void being meant to become relevant for a while, but I think the idea to create a playable race around that came later.

But that's really just speculation on my end. It does make me hope that VE's will get added more depth -and hopefully Alleria like tattoos/warpaint in void inspired design

And that's why Alleria's story feels so robust and well told, but the VE's themselves rushed.

[Varodoc]

Aww thank you <3

Well, thinking about the introduction of void elves... I am currently thinking that it was not so rushed after all, even though it looked like a "taunt" from "horde loving devs" to "HE wanting" alliance players. The Argus patch was planted from the beginning and so was the re-introduction of Alleria. So I guess they just went for a more voidy-look as most players wanted to not piss blood elf fans of from the beginning or to just make them stand out more. Personally I felt Nightborne for the Alliance to be more "offending" than void elves, but this is a different topic.

So you are right they were rushed in some kind of way. Either in a way of "coming out of nowhere" in the lore, or from not giving the obvious most wanted looks to alliance at the start.
I am happy now and am really looking forward for the PTR tomorrow. They said "there is more" so maybe maybe maybe, we will also get braids instead of tentacles and not just tentacle removal. Or even Alleria tattoos

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I might need to buy this book. Sounds very interesting!

Nothing about the Ren'dorei is "rushed" when you stop for a moment and actually think about it.

We already saw in TBC High Astromancer Solarian, a Blood elf who gorged herself in Void energy and became a Void entity.

So the idea of Blood elves messing with the Void and being infused with it is very old. People (haters) often say "B-but then why we never heard of Umbric and his group!!!", because it was a group of scholars exiled in the Wilds, why would we hear of them? We also never heard of Random Bob the bread vendor, we don't hear everything that goes on everywhere on Azeroth.

Frankly nothing about the Ren'dorei is rushed if you look at them with an impartial perspective.

Meta-wise, it's likely that they already wanted to include some kind of Void variaton of Blood elves back when they made TBC (with that boss from Tempest Keep); and they might have wanted to include Void elves in WoD, where they fleshed-out the Void more (think of the entire storyline in Shadowmoon Valley). And it's not a coincidence that in WoD there was a Garrison NPC looking for Alleria. But they might have decided it would be best to simply push the Void elves farther until they can introduce a proper subrace system.

[Rhlor]

in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde, alleria could find a lot of common ground there for supporters.

A very good game apparently. I have not started playing it yet

[Yarathir]

Found steve danuser (lead developer/designer of the story) tweeting about 9.1.5 changes. Makes me wonder if they actually asked him for "OK" him for the blonde void elves?

"9.1.5 will feature a number of tasty treats, coming from a place of love for the game. Hope you enjoy!"

Source: https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...08954810785799

God, if it's him saying they're adding good shit, then I really worry.

[elbleuet]

A very good game apparently. I have not started playing it yet

Blood elves supporting the Alliance isn't new and should be considered as a normal thing.

[Tanaria]

Blood elves supporting the Alliance isn't new and should be considered as a normal thing.

Just like Kul'Tiran's supporting the Horde.

[elbleuet]

Just like Kul'Tiran's supporting the Horde.

Some Kul'Tirans hated the Alliance so why not

[Tanaria]

Some Kul'Tirans hated the Alliance so why not

And the Alteraci Humans.

Hell, when the Forsaken return to Lordaeron, we could get playable Humans on the Horde, so by extension, Lordaeron could be in the hands of some Humans again...just on team red.

[Combatbutler]

in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde,

Not mentioned at all, what is mentioned are a handful spies

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I might need to buy this book. Sounds very interesting!

It is not in the book and it really isn't worth its price.

[Rhlor]

Blood elves supporting the Alliance isn't new and should be considered as a normal thing.

I'm sorry I was talking about FF14