Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[ravenmoon]

Which is what I said, but Blizzard has always kept up the difference between the regular void elf npcs and the regular blood elf npcs.

I reckon we might see more high elves (Silver Covenent) and void elves working together which would justify these changes. Maybe they all serve under the Void Elf banner.

Don’t count on seeing any serious lore in game ramifications from the changes. Unless blizzard do a very serious expansion.

as for your other point. That was no longer valid when the skin tone came formvoid elves and the blue eyes for blood elves.

Thalassians became like Pandaren at this point. Hair colour update was inevitable. Failure to do it just seemed silly at this point.

The void elf concept was the attempt to keep them distinct.

What we may see is a building of high elf lore and interaction IF they do a serious expansion.


oh. And unless they give the void elves or high elves a stunning new city. The blood elves may eventually lose Silvermoon.

same for the Nightborne and Suramar.

the only thing that would satisfy alliance fans is if they get just as good or better especially as they feel they are the natural home of the elven races, or they move back into their original cities, ie Silvermoon and Suramar and blizzard actually build Nightborne and blood elves are stunning replacement or just leave them homeless because they are not really needed to be lore catered in the horde because of their very alliance themes

[Tanaria]

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No more red vs blue expansions. Blizzard have already said they are laying off them for a long time.

And the Blood Elves can lose Silvermoon...17-20 years after Quel'Thalas is updated for the Horde Sin'dorei.
Suramar will never be updated - Horde only have the Nighthold.

I do look forward to a Quel'Thalas update for the Horde Sin'dorei. They deserve and need it.

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The fact that you, @ravenmoon - want to enforce the same misery onto the Sin'dorei fanbase as what your going through now with the Night Elves, makes me less sympathetic to actually wanting Night Elves to have their own city, have their own lands...you want to punish my favorite race for no reason, other than your personal views and think that I should be alright with it and if I'm not - "Well join the Alliance." No, Blizzard should not force that on me and they won't. I didn't ask them to write BFA and make the Night Elves homeless...it's very hypocritical for you to be wanting sympathy for the Night Elves, yet want the Sin'dorei to go through the exact treatment and expect Sin'dorei fans to remain quiet about it.

Maybe, Night Elves should be left out of the story for a good few expansions and let the Void Elves take over and build up Telogrus Citadel?

Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei carry on as they are, in an updated Quel'Thalas and in the Nighthold, because Horde players won't get an updated Suramar.

[elbleuet]

And the Alteraci Humans.

Hell, when the Forsaken return to Lordaeron, we could get playable Humans on the Horde, so by extension, Lordaeron could be in the hands of some Humans again...just on team red.

Why not after all. As long as we get Silvermoon for Alliance High elves.

[Tanaria]

Why not after all. As long as we get Silvermoon for Alliance High elves.

17 - 20 years after the first update for the Horde Sin'dorei.

Nothing less. I don't see why Alliance should get Silvermoon, if they get a revamped Hyjal, Eldre'Thalas and other Night Elf locations.

[melzas]

So shadow priest blood elves aren't real blood elves?

What the hell is this weird conclusion?

[Tanaria]

What the hell is this weird conclusion?

I think it's the conclusion that Blood Elf Priests, in lore, are Shadow Priests, when they aren't.

Indeed, with the renewed Sunwell, I'd say the common Blood Elf Priest are mainly Holy Priests. We saw Blood Elf Priests (Silvermoon Priest) on the Broken Scenario and they all used Holy Magic.

[Pheraz]

Man I want the PTR NOW! Bring it ooooooooon !!!!! xD

[elbleuet]

What the hell is this weird conclusion?

Because for some you can't play a proper High elf Alliance side since they have a void form.

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I think it's the conclusion that Blood Elf Priests, in lore, are Shadow Priests, when they aren't.

Indeed, with the renewed Sunwell, I'd say the common Blood Elf Priest are mainly Holy Priests. We saw Blood Elf Priests (Silvermoon Priest) on the Broken Scenario and they all used Holy Magic.

The vast majority are holy priests. But I don't see why a blood elf can't be a shadow priest.

[Tanaria]

The vast majority are holy priests. But I don't see why a blood elf can't be a shadow priest.

It's a case by case basis.

The vast majority of Silvermoon Priests are Holy, but no doubt, some would dabble in the void. Like most things, majority rules.

[Ardenaso]

And the Alteraci Humans.

Hell, when the Forsaken return to Lordaeron, we could get playable Humans on the Horde, so by extension, Lordaeron could be in the hands of some Humans again...just on team red.

yes at this point I think the Argent Lordaeronians should be just Horde at this point, since the Forsaken are literally their own brethren and it would be more sensible to renew their alliance with the Blood Elves, as they were allies before and protecting them from the Alliance would be their sincere reparation after Garithos attempted to mass murder Kael/Rommath and their comrades given that the Argents are the closest descendants of Garithos' New Alliance Remnants. Also Eligor Dawnbringer and Korfax are friends with Eitrigg and Maxwell Tyrosus is implied to be acquantances with Liadrin.

I think it can be done lorewise by making Turalyon sanction them for doing nothing in the Fourth War and on Sylvanas' actions in Southern Lordaeron, and pulling out the Alliance from all of Eastweald and cutting off trade with them and then the Argents can only seek help with the Horde for protection

But still I prefer Alteraci Humans to be playable and the Lordaeronians to be just special non-playable allies like the Highvale/Silver Covenant on the Alliance

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I don't know why Quel'thalas proper would ever want to be with the Alliance; the Blood Elves will never forget the Alliance's neglect for them for 6 years and they all would've died there were if not for Rommath's miracle and the Horde's assistance

[Valandale]

I highly doubt the Argents will ever pick a side, they're like the third largest faction. Their leader was a massive proponent of working together and Tyrosus is his successor. I could see them stonewalling both side's leadership if pressured and just locking off eastern Lordaeron from both sides. They control the Plaguelands and with the also neutral Cenarion Circle are cleansing it. They'd be a nation unto themselves with that kind of land able to be used again and a neutral haven for those who are sick of the factional bickering. They'd toss whoever holds Andorhal out because if it's the forsaken, they literally are/were trying to replague the land, and the alliance for trying to colonize land with people from westfall instead of Lordaeronian natives, unliving or living.

[Tanaria]

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Current Lordaeronians are the Forsaken, by all accounts.

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I don't know why Quel'thalas proper would ever want to be with the Alliance; the Blood Elves will never forget the Alliance's neglect for them for 6 years and they all would've died there were if not for Rommath's miracle and the Horde's assistance

I think it's wrong how people believe that Blood Elves should not be developed anymore, kicked out of their city and Sin'dorei fans made to feel like what the Night Elves are going through now. Almost like Night Elf fans want to blame Sin'dorei fans for what happened in BFA.

Look, Night Elf and High/Void Elf fans:
I know what happened to Darnassus and the night elves being homeless in Stormwind. Now you want me to feel sympathy for the Night Elves and want them back in their own city on Kalimdor - well, I'm not willing to do that if you want my favorite race to suffer in the same way, because what your basically saying is it's not right for you to feel upset when your favorite race suffers, but it's perfectly alright that the Sin'dorei suffer and the Sin'dorei fanbase goes through this, but (to make matters worse) on a permanent scale and if we want improvements, then we should be told - "go Alliance then."

[Valandale]

All I really want for HE's/VEs is like a new home thing, not some space rock but some island, give them some kind of stable foothold instead of being enclaves in tons of cities. Like say one of those expedition islands recently explored that had all of the corrupted/pirate/old god enemies cleared out...
Then they can have a new beginning...Or choose to continue bickering with Silvermoon but at least they'd have an actual home of some sort and the desperation to return to Quel'thalas wouldn't be so pronounced anymore. I like the political divide, it can make for some interesting story but we've not had that, we just have fanbases hating each other with no direction.

[Tanaria]

All I really want for HE's/VEs is like a new home thing, not some space rock but some island, give them some kind of stable foothold instead of being enclaves in tons of cities. Like say one of those expedition islands recently explored that had all of the corrupted/pirate/old god enemies cleared out...
Then they can have a new beginning...Or choose to continue bickering with Silvermoon but at least they'd have an actual home of some sort and the desperation to return to Quel'thalas wouldn't be so pronounced anymore. I like the political divide, it can make for some interesting story but we've not had that, we just have fanbases hating each other with no direction.

Why don't they just have and expand the Allerian Stronghold on Outland, with a portal that connects to Stormwind?

And by expand, I mean from the current location of Allerian Stronghold to Firewing Point, so you get a good blend of Human and Thalassian features, but with added voidy-ness.

[Alanar]

So the march on taking Silvermoon city properly as alliance has truly started I see, truly a sad day afther all the void elves got..

@Tanaria I realy hope we will see a updated Quel'thalas with Silvermoon, but I would also like to see Quel'danas updated and feel more connected to the main land. The dock could play a vital role here.

[melzas]

Because for some you can't play a proper High elf Alliance side since they have a void form.

Void form is a class feature, not a race feature. Please use some logic when drawing conclusions next time, ok?

[Kyriani]

I /facepalm every time someone posts about wanting the alliance to take silvermoon. I just find the notion ridiculous. Could the devs decide to go in the direction of the ridiculous? Sure, that possibility exists, but I don't think its probable (stranger things have happened though).

To me, silvermoon is the home of the blood elves, and the blood elves are members of the horde, ergo silvermoon is a horde capital. I just don't see that ever changing, at least not without the eradication of the faction divide first.

[melzas]

I think it's the conclusion that Blood Elf Priests, in lore, are Shadow Priests, when they aren't.

Indeed, with the renewed Sunwell, I'd say the common Blood Elf Priest are mainly Holy Priests. We saw Blood Elf Priests (Silvermoon Priest) on the Broken Scenario and they all used Holy Magic.

Yeah, Void elf shadow priest could pass as High Elf shadow priest. Same maybe for DK and Warlock (maybe sub rogue too). For every other class/spec turning into a void thingy kinda ruins the whole high elf fantasy.

[Valandale]

Why don't they just have and expand the Allerian Stronghold on Outland, with a portal that connects to Stormwind?

And by expand, I mean from the current location of Allerian Stronghold to Firewing Point, so you get a good blend of Human and Thalassian features, but with added voidy-ness.

I thought Outland is disintegrating/destabilizing judging from that Saurfang cinematic in BfA where he visits Thrall. Unless something can be done to slow/stop that (though Void Elves could try and use the Void to do this and prove that the void isn't always just borderline psychotic tendency and can in fact be used for non-destructive purposes) I don't think the Allerian Stronghold would be a long term settlement. But I do like the idea a lot.

[Tanaria]

So the march on taking Silvermoon city properly as alliance has truly started I see, truly a sad day afther all the void elves got..

@Tanaria I realy hope we will see a updated Quel'thalas with Silvermoon, but I would also like to see Quel'danas updated and feel more connected to the main land. The dock could play a vital role here.

Likewise.

The whole of Quel'Thalas (incl Quel'Danas) needs to be updated for the Horde. Maybe, in a racial pride expansion, where each organisation is explored, perhaps Quel'Danas could be the primary foothold for Liadrin's Blood Knights and the Sin'dorei Priests.

Silvermoon City is where the Magisters and Warlocks are primarily based.

Eversong and the Ghostlands are where the Farstriders are based.

And I do believe that the people who want Quel'Thalas are setting themselves up for major disappointment, since Blizzard have said themselves that they won't be touching another faction war conflict. It's ridiculous to think that Lor'themar, Rommath and even Liadrin would join the Alliance. They are Blood Elves. They are proud to identify as Blood Elves, as indicated by Liadrin during the Sin'dorei Heritage armor questline.

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I /facepalm every time someone posts about wanting the alliance to take silvermoon. I just find the notion ridiculous. Could the devs decide to go in the direction of the ridiculous? Sure, that possibility exists, but I don't think its probable (stranger things have happened though).

To me, silvermoon is the home of the blood elves, and the blood elves are members of the horde, ergo silvermoon is a horde capital. I just don't see that ever changing, at least not without the eradication of the faction divide first.

The idea that Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei should be ignored and homeless thereafter, is something else that is so hilariously absurd, that we know Blizzard wouldn't do that.

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I thought Outland is disintegrating/destabilizing judging from that Saurfang cinematic in BfA where he visits Thrall. Unless something can be done to slow/stop that (though Void Elves could try and use the Void to do this and prove that the void isn't always just borderline psychotic tendency and can in fact be used for non-destructive purposes) I don't think the Allerian Stronghold would be a long term settlement. But I do like the idea a lot.

The Void Elves are powerful - perhaps they could shield the area between Allerian Stronghold and Firewing Point which would prevent that area from disintegrating.

Or, Void Elves could move to the ruins of Zin-Azshari. It's a city that is fully into Void and Arcane now...right up the Void Elf Magisters' street. Again, create a void shield that would prevent the city from ever being underwater again.