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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    I do think that in the future we will be seeing more variation on VE NPC's tho, I think Blizzard will start making the decision to portray them as a mix of Umbric and Alleria's group. But that's just theorizing, based on my assumption that we will be seeing more VE initiates.

    Honestly we will have to wait til next expansion to see how the Void Elves have shaken up in our time away from Azeroth. If next expansion is indeed light focused, Void will be the obvious foil.

    Even if the Void Elves themselves as a race were rushed, it is obvious they have big plans for Alleria and the Void with all the set up done in Argus, and I really think that will pay off narratively, and to finally settle on a deeper identity for Void Elves.

    Also she looks so lime green, I love it.
    Aww thank you <3

    Well, thinking about the introduction of void elves... I am currently thinking that it was not so rushed after all, even though it looked like a "taunt" from "horde loving devs" to "HE wanting" alliance players. The Argus patch was planted from the beginning and so was the re-introduction of Alleria. So I guess they just went for a more voidy-look as most players wanted to not piss blood elf fans of from the beginning or to just make them stand out more. Personally I felt Nightborne for the Alliance to be more "offending" than void elves, but this is a different topic.

    So you are right they were rushed in some kind of way. Either in a way of "coming out of nowhere" in the lore, or from not giving the obvious most wanted looks to alliance at the start.
    I am happy now and am really looking forward for the PTR tomorrow. They said "there is more" so maybe maybe maybe, we will also get braids instead of tentacles and not just tentacle removal. Or even Alleria tattoos

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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde, alleria could find a lot of common ground there for supporters.
    I might need to buy this book. Sounds very interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde, alleria could find a lot of common ground there for supporters.
    I completely forgot that !

    Obviously Alleria will cause a lot of troubles in Silvermoon in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    I completely forgot that !

    Obviously Alleria will cause a lot of troubles in Silvermoon in the near future.
    As she should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Alleria believes Quel'Thzlas is destined to rejoin the Alliance.
    Umbric wants to get Silvermoon back into the Alliance.
    Turalyon wants to reclaim former Alliance of Lordaeron holdings (hello Silvermoon!)

    Now the Alliance will have real High elves and thus the blood elves are officially a neutral race.

    If you really think Silvermoon will be updated for nothing except to please some Horde fans, then you're gonna be disappointed.

    Ofc the Alliance will return to Silvermoon one day.
    The destroyed half of Silvermoon is waiting for the Alliance to rebuild in all its majesty.

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    Found steve danuser (lead developer/designer of the story) tweeting about 9.1.5 changes. Makes me wonder if they actually asked him for "OK" him for the blonde void elves?

    "9.1.5 will feature a number of tasty treats, coming from a place of love for the game. Hope you enjoy!"

    Source: https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...08954810785799
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Aww thank you <3

    Well, thinking about the introduction of void elves... I am currently thinking that it was not so rushed after all, even though it looked like a "taunt" from "horde loving devs" to "HE wanting" alliance players. The Argus patch was planted from the beginning and so was the re-introduction of Alleria. So I guess they just went for a more voidy-look as most players wanted to not piss blood elf fans of from the beginning or to just make them stand out more. Personally I felt Nightborne for the Alliance to be more "offending" than void elves, but this is a different topic.

    So you are right they were rushed in some kind of way. Either in a way of "coming out of nowhere" in the lore, or from not giving the obvious most wanted looks to alliance at the start.
    I am happy now and am really looking forward for the PTR tomorrow. They said "there is more" so maybe maybe maybe, we will also get braids instead of tentacles and not just tentacle removal. Or even Alleria tattoos !
    I think Void Elves were not planed to be an AR when they were developing Alleria's story, and neither High Elves really.

    Like I think they knew the void was going to be a relevant part of the lore going forward, but that they didn't particularly consider an AR based on that, but when the opportunity presented itself with Alleria's arc, they rushed the void elves intro development knowing they could develop that whole aspect of her with a people to guide. And I kinda think it was a genuine effort of giving a thalssian aesthetic, but at a point where they were still designing around aesthetic segregation.

    To me it just looks like they realized how cool and how much potential Alleria's path would have for an AR and they jumped the gun a bit with the implementation. I do believe that her development points towards Void being meant to become relevant for a while, but I think the idea to create a playable race around that came later.

    But that's really just speculation on my end. It does make me hope that VE's will get added more depth -and hopefully Alleria like tattoos/warpaint in void inspired design

    And that's why Alleria's story feels so robust and well told, but the VE's themselves rushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Aww thank you <3

    Well, thinking about the introduction of void elves... I am currently thinking that it was not so rushed after all, even though it looked like a "taunt" from "horde loving devs" to "HE wanting" alliance players. The Argus patch was planted from the beginning and so was the re-introduction of Alleria. So I guess they just went for a more voidy-look as most players wanted to not piss blood elf fans of from the beginning or to just make them stand out more. Personally I felt Nightborne for the Alliance to be more "offending" than void elves, but this is a different topic.

    So you are right they were rushed in some kind of way. Either in a way of "coming out of nowhere" in the lore, or from not giving the obvious most wanted looks to alliance at the start.
    I am happy now and am really looking forward for the PTR tomorrow. They said "there is more" so maybe maybe maybe, we will also get braids instead of tentacles and not just tentacle removal. Or even Alleria tattoos

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    I might need to buy this book. Sounds very interesting!
    Nothing about the Ren'dorei is "rushed" when you stop for a moment and actually think about it.

    We already saw in TBC High Astromancer Solarian, a Blood elf who gorged herself in Void energy and became a Void entity.

    So the idea of Blood elves messing with the Void and being infused with it is very old. People (haters) often say "B-but then why we never heard of Umbric and his group!!!", because it was a group of scholars exiled in the Wilds, why would we hear of them? We also never heard of Random Bob the bread vendor, we don't hear everything that goes on everywhere on Azeroth.

    Frankly nothing about the Ren'dorei is rushed if you look at them with an impartial perspective.

    Meta-wise, it's likely that they already wanted to include some kind of Void variaton of Blood elves back when they made TBC (with that boss from Tempest Keep); and they might have wanted to include Void elves in WoD, where they fleshed-out the Void more (think of the entire storyline in Shadowmoon Valley). And it's not a coincidence that in WoD there was a Garrison NPC looking for Alleria. But they might have decided it would be best to simply push the Void elves farther until they can introduce a proper subrace system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde, alleria could find a lot of common ground there for supporters.
    A very good game apparently. I have not started playing it yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Found steve danuser (lead developer/designer of the story) tweeting about 9.1.5 changes. Makes me wonder if they actually asked him for "OK" him for the blonde void elves?

    "9.1.5 will feature a number of tasty treats, coming from a place of love for the game. Hope you enjoy!"

    Source: https://twitter.com/SteveDanuser/sta...08954810785799
    God, if it's him saying they're adding good shit, then I really worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    A very good game apparently. I have not started playing it yet
    Blood elves supporting the Alliance isn't new and should be considered as a normal thing.
    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Blood elves supporting the Alliance isn't new and should be considered as a normal thing.
    Just like Kul'Tiran's supporting the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    Just like Kul'Tiran's supporting the Horde.
    Some Kul'Tirans hated the Alliance so why not
    "If you want to play alongside High and Void elves, the Alliance is waiting for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Some Kul'Tirans hated the Alliance so why not
    And the Alteraci Humans.

    Hell, when the Forsaken return to Lordaeron, we could get playable Humans on the Horde, so by extension, Lordaeron could be in the hands of some Humans again...just on team red.

  13. #24733
    Quote Originally Posted by The-Shan View Post
    in the exploring EK book they say theres a lot of quel'thalas citizens who hate the horde,
    Not mentioned at all, what is mentioned are a handful spies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    I might need to buy this book. Sounds very interesting!
    It is not in the book and it really isn't worth its price.
    Last edited by Combatbulter; 2021-08-30 at 02:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Blood elves supporting the Alliance isn't new and should be considered as a normal thing.
    I'm sorry I was talking about FF14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post


    Which is what I said, but Blizzard has always kept up the difference between the regular void elf npcs and the regular blood elf npcs.

    I reckon we might see more high elves (Silver Covenent) and void elves working together which would justify these changes. Maybe they all serve under the Void Elf banner.
    Don’t count on seeing any serious lore in game ramifications from the changes. Unless blizzard do a very serious expansion.

    as for your other point. That was no longer valid when the skin tone came formvoid elves and the blue eyes for blood elves.

    Thalassians became like Pandaren at this point. Hair colour update was inevitable. Failure to do it just seemed silly at this point.

    The void elf concept was the attempt to keep them distinct.

    What we may see is a building of high elf lore and interaction IF they do a serious expansion.


    oh. And unless they give the void elves or high elves a stunning new city. The blood elves may eventually lose Silvermoon.

    same for the Nightborne and Suramar.

    the only thing that would satisfy alliance fans is if they get just as good or better especially as they feel they are the natural home of the elven races, or they move back into their original cities, ie Silvermoon and Suramar and blizzard actually build Nightborne and blood elves are stunning replacement or just leave them homeless because they are not really needed to be lore catered in the horde because of their very alliance themes
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
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    No more red vs blue expansions. Blizzard have already said they are laying off them for a long time.

    And the Blood Elves can lose Silvermoon...17-20 years after Quel'Thalas is updated for the Horde Sin'dorei.
    Suramar will never be updated - Horde only have the Nighthold.

    I do look forward to a Quel'Thalas update for the Horde Sin'dorei. They deserve and need it.

    EDIT:
    The fact that you, @ravenmoon - want to enforce the same misery onto the Sin'dorei fanbase as what your going through now with the Night Elves, makes me less sympathetic to actually wanting Night Elves to have their own city, have their own lands...you want to punish my favorite race for no reason, other than your personal views and think that I should be alright with it and if I'm not - "Well join the Alliance." No, Blizzard should not force that on me and they won't. I didn't ask them to write BFA and make the Night Elves homeless...it's very hypocritical for you to be wanting sympathy for the Night Elves, yet want the Sin'dorei to go through the exact treatment and expect Sin'dorei fans to remain quiet about it.

    Maybe, Night Elves should be left out of the story for a good few expansions and let the Void Elves take over and build up Telogrus Citadel?

    Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei carry on as they are, in an updated Quel'Thalas and in the Nighthold, because Horde players won't get an updated Suramar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And the Alteraci Humans.

    Hell, when the Forsaken return to Lordaeron, we could get playable Humans on the Horde, so by extension, Lordaeron could be in the hands of some Humans again...just on team red.
    Why not after all. As long as we get Silvermoon for Alliance High elves.
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  18. #24738
    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Why not after all. As long as we get Silvermoon for Alliance High elves.
    17 - 20 years after the first update for the Horde Sin'dorei.

    Nothing less. I don't see why Alliance should get Silvermoon, if they get a revamped Hyjal, Eldre'Thalas and other Night Elf locations.

  19. #24739
    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    So shadow priest blood elves aren't real blood elves?
    What the hell is this weird conclusion?

  20. #24740
    Quote Originally Posted by melzas View Post
    What the hell is this weird conclusion?
    I think it's the conclusion that Blood Elf Priests, in lore, are Shadow Priests, when they aren't.

    Indeed, with the renewed Sunwell, I'd say the common Blood Elf Priest are mainly Holy Priests. We saw Blood Elf Priests (Silvermoon Priest) on the Broken Scenario and they all used Holy Magic.

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