1. #24821
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    And honestly they were wise to give this privilege to the most beautiful, perfect, splendid race in the game, but they could have been more blunt with it. Oh well there's no point in dwelling in the past.
    Why are you like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddi2 View Post
    Well, since WoW seems to be in a free fall, High Elves might be added at some point in relatively near future, lmao.
    It's hard to see High Elves ever being their own AR after they have given pretty much all the aesthetics save for hairstyles to Void Elves.

    If anything, I still think it's more likely that BE go neutral or something like that rather than HE's ever being an AR at this point.

    Hell, even merging Void Elves and Blood Elves seems more likely.

  2. #24822
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    It's hard to see High Elves ever being their own AR after they have given pretty much all the aesthetics save for hairstyles to Void Elves.

    If anything, I still think it's more likely that BE go neutral or something like that rather than HE's ever being an AR at this point.

    Hell, even merging Void Elves and Blood Elves seems more likely.
    Depends how desperate they are. Giving all the aesthetics to Void Elves already shows signs of desperation. At some point they will try to grab on every little thing if the free fall continues. If it happens, I might actually try the game again xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Why are you like this?

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    It's hard to see High Elves ever being their own AR after they have given pretty much all the aesthetics save for hairstyles to Void Elves.

    If anything, I still think it's more likely that BE go neutral or something like that rather than HE's ever being an AR at this point.

    Hell, even merging Void Elves and Blood Elves seems more likely.
    Yeah. This was their chance. They messed around with the void elf idea and now they give us HE aestetics 99%. I think this was a weird idea but turned out to give us more than "just regular, high fantasy, high elves". Prbly also the reason why they went with "blood elves" in the first place. To have something "richer" than "just " high elves. Don't get me wrong I love warcraft high elves. It is just that both blood and void elves can be regular high elves now PLUS another theme on top each. Which is cool
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  4. #24824
    Quote Originally Posted by ddi2 View Post
    Depends how desperate they are. Giving all the aesthetics to Void Elves already shows signs of desperation. At some point they will try to grab on every little thing if the free fall continues. If it happens, I might actually try the game again xD
    That's the thing, the way we are getting HE aesthetics with reused assets shows how much they are willing to invest on High Elves.

    This is the most we are getting, besides the possibility of BE's becoming "neutral". By the time WoW truly is agonizing, it really won't make sense to make AR HE's, why waste resources then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Yeah. This was their chance. They messed around with the void elf idea and now they give us HE aestetics 99%. I think this was a weird idea but turned out to give us more than "just regular, high fantasy, high elves". Prbly also the reason why they went with "blood elves" in the first place. To have something "richer" than "just " high elves. Don't get me wrong I love warcraft high elves. It is just that both blood and void elves can be regular high elves now PLUS another theme on top each. Which is cool
    Yeah, it's just evident they aren't interested in exploring High Elves as their own thing beyond what we get, so both BE and VE getting the "look" plus the lore that already exists is what we are getting. Like we will probably keep seeing High Elf NPC's showing up as usual, perhaps the SC and the VE's working together as an united front, but I really don't think HE's are ever going to be playable as their own Allied Race at this point, and I have kinda believed that since VE's came out.

    The further HE aesthetics kinda prove that point for me.

  5. #24825
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Dude, you CANNOT keep collecting trash opinions like STD's!

    "There's no faction imbalance"

    Jesus freaking christ.




    Yes! Those ones! I'd love to play as them!

    But I love how you simply dismissed the part where Kael'thas could redeem the remaining San'layn. Like come on, you are free to not want San'layn, but to simply misrepresent what someone is saying is just blergh. Basically you believe that san'layn are irredeemably evil, which is just silly. I's just so freaking transparent how basic your ideas of good and evil are and I'm tired of your constant push of making BE's pointy eared, light worshiping humans.

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    "body size" really should become an option in the future, hopefully soon, but it's hard to see it being implemented with WoW's tech beyond simply making a whole new edited model, which to be honest, feels doable.
    the population of the horde and the alliance are even.
    Are there more hardcore players in the horde making M + and are they competing for the first world? Yes.
    are there more casual players and RP in the alliance? Yes.
    does that mean that an imbalance between the factions? no, because the factions have the same population.

    I know that there are players in the alliance who want to do M + and I am in favor of dissolving the factions or reconfiguring the factions with mixed races on one side and the other. I can think of a faction that has void elf and maghar vs a faction that has draenei and blood elf.

    but it cannot be said that there is currently an imbalance between the horde and the alliance. because I could say that the factions are unbalanced because there is more RP in the alliance than in the horde.

    about the san'layn I think any sane person in quel'thalas would kill them just to see them and not let them in.
    Nobody sane would let cannibal serial killers into their home is complete insanity.
    I don't think the san'layn have redemption they are monsters that enjoy killing and eating people as we saw in BFA. I don't want those cannibals to be part of the blood elf customization because it totally breaks what it means to be a blood elf because it ruins our lore and our development throughout all these years. Do you know why I am so interested in the light? because it is the coherent development of the blood elves, in addition to rescuing an aspect that is intrinsic to the quelthalas society, which is the worship of light.

    if you like the san'layn so much perfect that kael'thas return azzeroth try to show jaina that he changed and join the alliance that the sanlayn are void elf customization, after all void elves practice necromancy.

    I believed that they could be customization for the forsaken but if you want them so much, perfect support that they are alliance.
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  6. #24826
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    I believed that they could be customization for the forsaken but if you want them so much, perfect support that they are alliance.
    Can you imagine the forum shitshow if Void Elves got red eyes and deathly pale skin? I almost want it to happen just for the popcorn moments. I'd be entertained for probably months, if not years.

  7. #24827
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Why are you like this?

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    It's hard to see High Elves ever being their own AR after they have given pretty much all the aesthetics save for hairstyles to Void Elves.

    If anything, I still think it's more likely that BE go neutral or something like that rather than HE's ever being an AR at this point.

    Hell, even merging Void Elves and Blood Elves seems more likely.
    the blood elves merge with the void elves? how would that be possible?
    I do think they will give more blood elves hairstyles to the void elves. I also think that void elves should have green eyes because there are blood elves in telogrus

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Can you imagine the forum shitshow if Void Elves got red eyes and deathly pale skin? I almost want it to happen just for the popcorn moments. I'd be entertained for probably months, if not years.
    I would be so happy and calm if that happens.

    blood elves would still be blood elves and not cannibal monsters who enjoy killing and eating people.

  8. #24828
    So void elves really got blood elf hair colours, huh? Give them a few more years and maybe they'll get non-tentacle hairstyles as well.
    The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
    Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
    Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?

  9. #24829
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    So void elves really got blood elf hair colours, huh? Give them a few more years and maybe they'll get non-tentacle hairstyles as well.
    It has already been announced that they will be able to choose whether or not to have the tentacles in their current hairstyles!!! I think this is a huge amount of customization

  10. #24830
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Really? Well it would still be pretty cool to remake Quel'thalas and have a little corner for the Void Elves. Then they could have a warfront between the two (not like BFA warfronts, just a battle line and no-man's-land in the middle).
    It would be good to at least have a place in azeroth for the void elves, for sure.

  11. #24831
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    SNIP
    Honestly I don't really care what you have to say at this point. You have wasted all my good faith with endless wankery. You might be genuine, but the you'd be so removed from reality that IDK what i'd get extending any interactions with you.

    "There's no faction imbalance" FFS that's just brainrot.

  12. #24832
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Honestly I don't really care what you have to say at this point. You have wasted all my good faith with endless wankery. You might be genuine, but the you'd be so removed from reality that IDK what i'd get extending any interactions with you.

    "There's no faction imbalance" FFS that's just brainrot.
    do you pay attention what did i write?
    I recognize that there are more hardcore players in the horde in the same way that there are more RP players in the alliance. the population of players on one side and the other are equal.
    Does that mean that the current faction configuration is good? of course not. clearly there are people in the horde like me !! who wants to have a bigger PR community and I understand that there are people who want to do M + with their human or gnome.
    I support the dissolution of the factions, the only thing I am saying is that it is not true that there is an imbalance between the populations of the factions.

    and I am completely honest in everything I say. I love the blood elves, their lore, their development and their aesthetics. and that is why I am opposed to any customization that kills what the blood elves mean. The blood elves are not cannibal monsters, the blood elves are patriots, the blood elves are survivors who are fighting to save their homeland and their culture. the blood elves are a people that in their most desperate moment when their prince joined the legion they decided to stand firm and not fall into darkness and fight for salvation that is a blood elf

  13. #24833
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
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    Yeah no. You don't get to say "there's no faction imbalance" and then try to walk it back saying you meant the populations. No one is saying the imbalance is caused by population, we literally simply have to point out in how every competitive metric the Alliance is underepresented. And this is coming for someone that doesn't prefer either faction. I just have eyes.

    You are so dismissive of what everyone else might want because *you* don't want it/doesn't fit with *your* interpretation, why should I care about anything you say, really?

    I mean it when I say it I don't care anymore about what you think. Good Luck.

  14. #24834
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Yeah no. You don't get to say "there's no faction imbalance" and then try to walk it back saying you meant the populations. No one is saying the imbalance is caused by population, we literally simply have to point out in how every competitive metric the Alliance is underepresented. And this is coming for someone that doesn't prefer either faction. I just have eyes.

    You are so dismissive of what everyone else might want because *you* don't want it/doesn't fit with *your* interpretation, why should I care about anything you say, really?

    I mean it when I say it I don't care anymore about what you think. Good Luck.
    That is what I said
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    there is no faction imbalance, the alliance and the horde have the same population.
    Horde players are more hardcore and Alliance players are more RP. but their populations are equal.
    It's as if I complained that there is not enough RP in the horde

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    You mean when they killed and ate the horde soldiers and planned to use the horde as cattle?
    They have the same connection to the void elves, but at least the void elves use necromancy.

    alterac humans for the horde, sanlayn for the alliance! (apparently many alliance players want playable sanlayn that have them in their faction)
    You have to remember that it all started because someone said that the high elves were going to make more people play alliance because there was an imbalance. and there is no population imbalance.

    It's not my interpretation, it's the interpretation that blizzard gave the blood elves since the end of TBC
    from lorthemar telling sylvanas he would kill her if she raises the dead blood elves in SoO
    that we know that the Fel crystals were removed and replaced by mana crystals.
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    Rommath tell us that addiction was cured in legion.
    golden eyes in bfa
    all this journey led us to what the blood elves are now. that's why i oppose evil cannibals as blood elves customization, because i know blizzard they won't make the sanlyan good they will make the blood elves evil and reuse the horde as villains

  15. #24835
    Lol, there is literally an imbalance.

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    The thread is not about player-based faction imbalance between the Alliance and Horde, let's return to the actual topic of the thread.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." - Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  17. #24837
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    So void elves really got blood elf hair colours, huh? Give them a few more years and maybe they'll get non-tentacle hairstyles as well.
    Oh they are also going to make the tentacles toggable.

    So probably any new hairstyles VE's get will also come with a non-tentacle version.

  18. #24838
    The whole point for blood elves on the horde was to fix the faction imbalance in classic. M

    it had achieved that by cataclysm. blood elves were no longer needed in the horde or to remain exclusive. It was inevitable that in time high elves would be permissbale as the race is originally alliance and still has its original identity tied to that faction.

    it prob took this long because blizzard wanted to keep faction races as different as possible, but things like Oanderan on both factions, the same faction BGs and arena and very high player demand kinda made it necessary to make an exception for elves.

    it was a done deal when they took Nightborne horde and gave void elves to the alliance. Once that was done it would only be a matter of time that high elves would be accessible.

    they likely won’t be as an allied race though. Blizzard has given you customisation options and officially allowed you to rile play sun races and factions without the game introducing them in start zone or allied race manner.


    whoch means your void elf toon can be an actual high elf offficiallynif that is what you want or be a void elf like Alleria who’s skin tone is unchanged.

    in tone the high elves on the alliance will dominate the Rhalassian narrative. Simply because in truth their are many more alliance fans of high elves than their are horde fans of blood elves. And they are more passionate.

    but this is as expected. Elves at their core in Warcraft have been alliance related and close ti their themes. Both Thalassian and night elves. It isn’t surprising that the night elf and high elf narrative will dominate from the alliance rather than their horde counterparts, because if the fans
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    It's kinda hard to not reply to faction imbalance at this point of conversation.

    I try without adding more drama on top, I think it's okay to have a different opinion, guys.

    I can't speak of the numbers. Especially not since I'm on a dead realm who only lives because it is a connected realm and ontop of that connected to half of Europe nowadays. So it's really hard for me to have a neutral picture of this.
    But most of the more hardcore people are all playing horde. I don't think that you will get those people back to alliance with the high elf visuals for void elves. Maybe some of them. But most of them not.
    But NEW players who are clearly looking for the classic high elf aesthetics can now play alliance and this is a big win.
    One of my daughters wanted to test WoW and immediately picked blood elves. Then I said "but then we can't play together". ;D we've ended with autumn blonde night elf then.
    So there are people who play horde because they want to play strong monsters but I think most people pick the most beautiful races (yes this is subjective).
    So...
    I really hope high elf visuals will drive horde players back but the number of switchers will probably be not too high.
    I just love the change and I'm still in the state of processing this awesomeness. Will try them on PTR next week
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  20. #24840
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    The whole point for blood elves on the horde was to fix the faction imbalance in classic. M

    it had achieved that by cataclysm. blood elves were no longer needed in the horde or to remain exclusive. It was inevitable that in time high elves would be permissbale as the race is originally alliance and still has its original identity tied to that faction.

    it prob took this long because blizzard wanted to keep faction races as different as possible, but things like Oanderan on both factions, the same faction BGs and arena and very high player demand kinda made it necessary to make an exception for elves.

    it was a done deal when they took Nightborne horde and gave void elves to the alliance. Once that was done it would only be a matter of time that high elves would be accessible.

    they likely won’t be as an allied race though. Blizzard has given you customisation options and officially allowed you to rile play sun races and factions without the game introducing them in start zone or allied race manner.


    whoch means your void elf toon can be an actual high elf offficiallynif that is what you want or be a void elf like Alleria who’s skin tone is unchanged.

    in tone the high elves on the alliance will dominate the Rhalassian narrative. Simply because in truth their are many more alliance fans of high elves than their are horde fans of blood elves. And they are more passionate.

    but this is as expected. Elves at their core in Warcraft have been alliance related and close ti their themes. Both Thalassian and night elves. It isn’t surprising that the night elf and high elf narrative will dominate from the alliance rather than their horde counterparts, because if the fans
    Doesn't matter what they are at their core. Look at 8.2 - the Horde scene was commanded by the Blood Elves and Nightborne.

    And @Kyriani made the point that just because Void Elves have access to these, doesn't mean that Void Elf NPC's will be using these features (all barring Alleria.) These are RP tools that Blizzard are giving.
    The Void Elf NPC's, moving forward (again, with the exception of Alleria) will all likely have "Void" based features.

    Plus, the Blood Elves have their big advantage of having Silvermoon and Quel'Thalas, which both need updating, like this:
    https://keyboardturner.artstation.com/projects/nQm0Re

    So, no - each race will get their due in time. Nothing will be ignored because "it's more Alliance/Horde."

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