Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Alixie]

I dont see any problems with Entropic embrace.
Its not any more immersion-breaking than being a Thornspeaker Kultiran druid who uses astral energy instead of death/decay-part of druidism

Same. Most of my characters turn red, yellow, grey or some other random color when I pop a cooldown or trinket.

[Rhlor]

You're missing the point of what I was saying, taking it out of context, and fialing to see what I was trying to say.

You took one look at blood elves lose Silvermoon and everything but "NOOO" went out of your head, including reading the rest of what was being said.

Go back and read it. It's all there.

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They'll probably change it, including the starting sequence. Don't worry.

It's perfect for those who want to play as void elves, but not those who want to play as high elves. a little tweaking should sort that out.

Void embrace or solar embrace (sunwell torrent?). Same thing, different visual. you choose

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Another option would be to just provide a glyph for the racial... like Astral form.

Yeh, void elves are basically the human buddy high elf that can be playable so they could avoid giving high elves who looked like blood leves, but then eventually just ended up doing so anyway, so now you have 2 thalassian elf factions on the alliance. Which is also fine. It frees night elves now to be night elves as they were originally meant to be, as you now have the thalassian taking on the human friend elf position for your LotR type fantasy.

The Thalassians are a core portion of the alliance, their origin and beginnings in the series is tied directly to the alliance and they are a core part of it's identity. Even when giving the blood elves to the horde, blizzard left the high elves around. Now we have void elves too.

To me that's fine, the driving force of the elves should always be the alliance. And they should be stronger on their because the race is very alliance themed and centred, especially the Thalassians.

Right now the horde doesn't need blood elves being so big on, mi think it would do the faction identity a huge favour if the bulk of elven development sat squarely on the alliance, while the horde remained a token force to allow pretty model options for players who wouldn't play it otherwise, rather than driving huge developments for elves on a faction that clearly has little to nothing in common with it. Blood elves are too alliance in character, and Nightborne too kaldorei - they are blatantly alliance and night elves on the horde - and if they are given limelight on the horde, they detract away from the contrast between the factions making them seem too similar.


the best solutions is to stoop promoting them on the horde, and instead focus on building alliance night elves (with their Highborne, druids and priests ) as hte main centre of all things kaldorei (past and presents) and void elves and high elves to carry on most of the developments regarding Thalassians.


Three options that could take major steps to shifting this perspective amongst players would either be:

1. Take Silvermoon and Suramar to the alliance and convert the blood elves living in them to high elves, and Nightborne to night elves -with only a remnant remaining horde blood elves and true Nightborne on the horde). Compensate the horde losses by adding the city of Zul'aman + amani, City of Zul'drak plus the Drakkari, a city for the Mag'har (my fave location is Warsong hold Borean Tundra), and either a new goblin city (expanded Kezan or undermine) or the Farakki and Zul'farrak - this would reinforce the horde major themes. And whiles blood elves and Nightborne still remain on the horde, they are a very minor part in the larger scheme.

2. Share Silvermoon with the void elves and high elves, Share Suramar with the night elves and Nightborne - this helps reinforce in game the fact that Silvermoon is the home of the high elves, and Suramar the home of the Night elves even though Nightborne are there, but they are night elf off shoot even though on the horde.. same with blood elves.

In this scenario Silvermoon has a enforced sanctuary status and elves don't kill each other or fight to in order to defend the Sunwell and protect their heritage while they argue and try to sway one another to the cause of one of the 3 factions of Thalassians. Meanwhile it's different in Suramar - Nightborne aren't that attached to the horde at all. Blood elf friendship kept them there, when the kaldorei refugees needed homes they were allowed to return to their former capital now having lots of extra space due to the high death toll of the legion. Nightborne do not hate kaldorei, in fact quite the opposite, and events of legion should have removed the last vestiges arcane stigma, now their is a cure and Thalyssra drained the nightwell.

night elves/Nightborne are ancient, the alliance and horde really should be secondary concerns to the, not dominate them. it's so weird to write them as ancient civilizations that have lived for over 10k millennia and dominated the world only to now seem to entirely define themselves by the horde and the alliance.. it's just poor, it's as if they write something and forget the main description and what it means.. they need to fix that, a capital share would achieve this.


3. Create 2 great new cities for both Night elves and the alliance Thalassians. That show off the best of the kaldorei people and the high elf and void elf. So while Silvermoon and Suramar remain horde, basically these new homes for night elves and void elves with high elves blow them out of the water. in this scenario, the horde elves are untouched, but most of the elven developments are now done and advanced on the alliance, whereas on the horde, focus is given to the orcs, trolls tauren, goblins etc.


This is what they should do in order of preference. 1 would be the best, if not 2, if not 3.

This was exactly what you wrote, there are many other posts where you also say similar things about stripping the blood elves and the nightborne of all their lore and aesthetics and not giving them anything, because the lore and the aesthetics and the development of the story must be only for the alliance

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Yeah Which one was yours?

I think I was on my priest, she was on questing robes with the Elsharin blonde hair XD

[Kyriani]

Sadly I can't update my namesake until they add the black hair color to the ptr

But here's my warrior!



And my hunter!

[ravenmoon]

This was exactly what you wrote, there are many other posts where you also say similar things about stripping the blood elves and the nightborne of all their lore and aesthetics and not giving them anything, because the lore and the aesthetics and the development of the story must be only for the alliance

Except that isn't all I wrote, and do you understand what I was trying to say here? Cause it doesn't look like you did.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Today it was pretty chill hanging around with HE players outside the barbershop! Been loving how it has become the hangout spot for HE fans and info gets passed around.

Which reminds me! If you set your resolution to 1600x900, the barbershop chairs can be used without crashing (well, it does still crash sometimes, but for me it was like on my 6 change hehe)

Sadly I can't update my namesake until they add the black hair color to the ptr

But here's my warrior!



And my hunter!

Nice!! they look awesome ! Cant wait till next wee for the rest of the colors :3

[Thalassian Bob]

Home:



Everybody gangster 'til the trees of the Hinterlands start speaking Thalassian:



Yin & Yang:

[Swnem]

Don't know if this is normal for the PTR but the void elf intro is beeing marked as work in progress


while the night elf intro remains normal


*puts the tinfoil hat on*
What if they actually remake the whole race a bit? New race standard portrait (maybe split face half blue half blondish)?

Don't want to dash hopes, but every cinematic in the PTR has that by default. Try creating another race and you will see.

[Rhlor]

Except that isn't all I wrote, and do you understand what I was trying to say here? Cause it doesn't look like you did.

I believe that Tanaria tells the truth. you always said that the alliance should conquer suramar and silvermoon, that the few blood elves and nightborne that remained in the horde should not have any development in lore and no city. that all development and all the lore of the elves should only be given to the alliance and that the development of the horde should only be for orcs or tauren.
But tell us how is your vision of what would happen to the blood elves and the nightborne once they lose their homes? What development would they have? Whenever you talked about this, the only thing you said was "give the zulaman horde a change or create a new maghar capital somewhere" but you never said anything about the blood elves and the nightborne because the horde according to you should have the playable model but nothing more than that.
So please tell us what would be the future of the blood elves and the nightborne? I suppose that it would no longer be just that the horde has the model then what will happen to them and their story?

[Tanaria]

I believe that Tanaria tells the truth. you always said that the alliance should conquer suramar and silvermoon, that the few blood elves and nightborne that remained in the horde should not have any development in lore and no city. that all development and all the lore of the elves should only be given to the alliance and that the development of the horde should only be for orcs or tauren.
But tell us how is your vision of what would happen to the blood elves and the nightborne once they lose their homes? What development would they have? Whenever you talked about this, the only thing you said was "give the zulaman horde a change or create a new maghar capital somewhere" but you never said anything about the blood elves and the nightborne because the horde according to you should have the playable model but nothing more than that.

The only thing Ravenmoon has said that it can be cool and beautiful and telling us to "think Castle Rathria or Nazjatar" neither of which, are Blood Elven or Nightborne. And this is only after about 3 expansions (which is roughly 12 years on average.)

It can be cool, but we need all the lore characters of the Nightborne and Sin'dorei to go Alliance, so I don't know who we've got. "You'll just get new ones" - is the likely response, but Blood Elf fans and Nightborne fans don't want new ones. Even those who'd like Kael'thas back, don't want new characters being made up.

He also talks about fel and death themes being a big thing in Sin'dorei society. No - I can't keep repeating this, but fel magic is NOT a big thing in Quel'Thalas. It wasn't during the TBC era. You could remove the Warlock class from the Blood Elves and it wouldn't make any impact on the future story of the Sin'dorei.
The High Elf exile bore fruit because of the arcane practice of draining magic out of Quel'Thalas mana-wildlife. That is what the Rangers and Priests who took exile, didn't like. They were not fussed of the few who took up to practice fel magic. (And it was a few - many just embraced arcane draining and using fire magic. Indeed, the majority of Blood Elves remained as Mages.)
Death is also something that only impacted those few Sunfury who got lost in Northrend and were then raised into the San'layn. Overall, barring Dark'han, undead Thalassians have no impact in the current Quel'Thalas society. Only Dark'han and Sylvanas did, during the TBC era. Both are now considered traitors to the Elven people.

And I don't understand his idea. It's as though night elves and high/void elves, don't get lore if Sin'dorei or Shal'dorei are getting lore. Did the Darkshore Warfront story not happen in 8.1, because the Sin'dorei heritage armor questline was also happening? No.
And the way Blizzard have wrote the High Elves - they need the Blood Elves to get story. High Elf fans won't like this, but think back to every time we've seen the High Elves in the story, post TBC. For them to be relevant relies heavily on the Blood Elves or Void Elves being part of the story. More so, the former because it gives the few High Elves a story.

And your right, I do tell the truth, even if it means the Blood Elves are not this "big number 1, race."
For example, do Blood Elves make decent Warlocks? Yes, I suppose. Are they masters of wielding fel magic? No, I'd say that goes to the Eredar and if we're talking about the playable races, then the Orcs take that slot.

[Rhlor]

The only thing Ravenmoon has said that it can be cool and beautiful and telling us to "think Castle Rathria or Nazjatar" neither of which, are Blood Elven or Nightborne. And this is only after about 3 expansions (which is roughly 12 years on average.)

It can be cool, but we need all the lore characters of the Nightborne and Sin'dorei to go Alliance, so I don't know who we've got. "You'll just get new ones" - is the likely response, but Blood Elf fans and Nightborne fans don't want new ones. Even those who'd like Kael'thas back, don't want new characters being made up.

He also talks about fel and death themes being a big thing in Sin'dorei society. No - I can't keep repeating this, but fel magic is NOT a big thing in Quel'Thalas. It wasn't during the TBC era. You could remove the Warlock class from the Blood Elves and it wouldn't make any impact on the future story of the Sin'dorei.
The High Elf exile bore fruit because of the arcane practice of draining magic out of Quel'Thalas mana-wildlife. That is what the Rangers and Priests who took exile, didn't like. They were not fussed of the few who took up to practice fel magic. (And it was a few - many just embraced arcane draining and using fire magic. Indeed, the majority of Blood Elves remained as Mages.)
Death is also something that only impacted those few Sunfury who got lost in Northrend and were then raised into the San'layn. Overall, barring Dark'han, undead Thalassians have no impact in the current Quel'Thalas society. Only Dark'han and Sylvanas did, during the TBC era. Both are now considered traitors to the Elven people.

And I don't understand his idea. It's as though night elves and high/void elves, don't get lore if Sin'dorei or Shal'dorei are getting lore. Did the Darkshore Warfront story not happen in 8.1, because the Sin'dorei heritage armor questline was also happening? No.
And the way Blizzard have wrote the High Elves - they need the Blood Elves to get story. High Elf fans won't like this, but think back to every time we've seen the High Elves in the story, post TBC. For them to be relevant relies heavily on the Blood Elves or Void Elves being part of the story. More so, the former because it gives the few High Elves a story.

And your right, I do tell the truth, even if it means the Blood Elves are not this "big number 1, race."
For example, do Blood Elves make decent Warlocks? Yes, I suppose. Are they masters of wielding fel magic? No, I'd say that goes to the Eredar and if we're talking about the playable races, then the Orcs take that slot.

Castle Rathria?? what is that?

was the warlock leader a human? I think I remember that he was.

I do not remember all the publications of ravenmoon but I do remember his desire to turn the elves of the horde into nothing more than the model and give them nothing else.

But if he now changes his mind I would like to know what he thinks about how the development of the blood elves and the nightborne should be

[Tanaria]

Castle Rathria?? what is that?

Sorry, ridiculous auto-correct, I meant to say "Castle Nathria." The Venthyr raid.

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was the warlock leader a human? I think I remember that he was.

I do not remember all the publications of ravenmoon but I do remember his desire to turn the elves of the horde into nothing more than the model and give them nothing else.

But if he now changes his mind I would like to know what he thinks about how the development of the blood elves and the nightborne should be

Yes - the most famous Warlock (shock, horror) goes between an Orc (Gul'dan) and a Human (Kanrethad.)

I remember what Ravenmoon has said and basically, Blood Elves are all things "fel" and "death" because "dats so cool guys!" Fel and Death have only come together in 1 instance and that was with the Orcs in the Second War, when the first death knights were raised by the Orc Warlocks. Aside from that, the two areas have been kept apart.

And he won't tell us what Blizzard should do. Only that we can have something that look beautiful and nice, but it comes 2-3 expansions after the next one. (so, it's about 12-14 years.) We need to think of Castle Nathria or Nazjatar, but it can't be Silvermoon or Suramar - we just can't have those anymore. (I mean, it's not like Blizzard are in a rush to repeat Darnassus or Undercity again - not with the horrible messages, that Christie Golden and other employees received. I don't like their writing style, but you are a scummy person if you send threats like that. I know emotions were running high with Darnassus - but that isn't the Blood Elf fans' problem.)

Blizzard have also said that they are not doing another Horde vs Alliance expansion. I mean, it's not only the Horde Elves that he wants out of their rightful homes. Horde Forsaken should go to Icecrown and have "Minas Morgul-like" themes and Highmountain Tauren should move to Stonetalon Mountains, because the Broken Isles should be entirely Alliance.
So Alliance get the whole of the Eastern Kingdoms, all the Broken Isles, Kul'Tiras and good portions of Western Kalimdor.
Horde get a few zones in Eastern Kalimdor, a location or two around Northrend and Zandalar. Oh - we might get Pandaria - because Horde fans go nuts for the Panda People, amiright?

I just ignore anything about Kezan, because the land is inhabitable since Deathwing and the Volcano. Goblins are just a background race, like Gnomes.

[Pheraz]

High elf / blonde void elf hype is good and I am all on the hype train. And I love seeing all those high elves running around in stormwind.

And yes it was dump to give blood elves to the horde.

Yet IT HAPPENED. And it was actually really long time ago. The game already has enough retcons and inconsistencies. So Silvermoon should always be the blood elf capital in my opinion. Some things need to be accepted as a fact even if the history was weird.

I am repeating myself but I think high elves as outcasts are very cool and fit very good into the alliance cities. Maybe we could get some siege outposts around silvermoon to annoy the blood elves with high elf guerillia stuff. Yes I know alleria doesn't want this, but it would be cool for the gameplay.

[Tanaria]

High elf / blonde void elf hype is good and I am all on the hype train. And I love seeing all those high elves running around in stormwind.

And yes it was dump to give blood elves to the horde.

Yet IT HAPPENED. And it was actually really long time ago. The game already has enough retcons and inconsistencies. So Silvermoon should always be the blood elf capital in my opinion. Some things need to be accepted as a fact even if the history was weird.

I am repeating myself but I think high elves as outcasts are very cool and fit very good into the alliance cities. Maybe we could get some siege outposts around silvermoon to annoy the blood elves with high elf guerillia stuff. Yes I know alleria doesn't want this, but it would be cool for the gameplay.

High Elves causing trouble in QT can be good, so long as the story is told from the Blood Elf player's perspective.
It happened when the Night Elves set up their spying operations.

[Rhlor]

Sorry, ridiculous auto-correct, I meant to say "Castle Nathria." The Venthyr raid.

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Yes - the most famous Warlock (shock, horror) goes between an Orc (Gul'dan) and a Human (Kanrethad.)

I remember what Ravenmoon has said and basically, Blood Elves are all things "fel" and "death" because "dats so cool guys!" Fel and Death have only come together in 1 instance and that was with the Orcs in the First War, when the first death knights were raised by the Orc Warlocks. Aside from that, the two areas have been kept apart.

And he won't tell us what Blizzard should do. Only that we can have something that look beautiful and nice, but it comes 2-3 expansions after the next one. (so, it's about 12-14 years.) We need to think of Castle Nathria or Nazjatar, but it can't be Silvermoon or Suramar - we just can't have those anymore. (I mean, it's not like Blizzard are in a rush to repeat Darnassus or Undercity again - not with the horrible messages, that Christie Golden and other employees received. I don't like their writing style, but you are a scummy person if you send threats like that. I know emotions were running high with Darnassus - but that isn't the Blood Elf fans' problem.)

Blizzard have also said that they are not doing another Horde vs Alliance expansion. I mean, it's not only the Horde Elves that he wants out of their rightful homes. Horde Forsaken should go to Icecrown and have "Minas Morgul-like" themes and Highmountain Tauren should move to Stonetalon Mountains, because the Broken Isles should be entirely Alliance.
So Alliance get the whole of the Eastern Kingdoms, all the Broken Isles, Kul'Tiras and good portions of Western Kalimdor.
Horde get a few zones in Eastern Kalimdor, a location or two around Northrend and Zandalar. Oh - we might get Pandaria - because Horde fans go nuts for the Panda People, amiright?

I just ignore anything about Kezan, because the land is inhabitable since Deathwing and the Volcano. Goblins are just a background race, like Gnomes.

Does he literally want us in the realm of death? LOL

Whoever says fel and undead are important to blood elves knows nothing about lore and doesn't understand blood elves. I am totally opposed to sanlayn and undead elf as customization because it is totally against lore and blood elf aesthetics.

[Tanaria]

Does he literally want us in the realm of death? LOL

Whoever says fel and undead are important to blood elves knows nothing about lore and doesn't understand blood elves. I am totally opposed to sanlayn and undead elf as customization because it is totally against lore and blood elf aesthetics.

He's likely not the only one - but I reckon it's due to Kael'thas being involved with Castle Nathria. He's put one and one together, but made 3. The Venthyr and Sin'dorei are NOT, in anyway, related.

Some of the deceased Sunfury might have become Venthyr - but that's not different than the Scarlet Humans, like Houndmaster Loksey who are in Revendreth. Also, the sinstone of the Night Elf Priestess during the War of the Shifting Sands.
Revendreth is not Sin'dorei. Nathria is not related to them, nor is the style of the raid, Sin'dorei-related.

I mean, Blood Elves have blue and golden eyes. If Ravenmoon got his wish, would these features no longer be available to the Blood Elves? In his mind, would giving Blood Elves the DH features and the "death knight" features, be ways to make up for losing blue and golden eyes? "More fel features, because that can be a big blood elf story, later on - maybe 2-3 expansions time."

I personally, don't mind San'layn/Dark Ranger customization's (we can agree to disagree), but what I stand against is them becoming a core part of Blood Elf society.

[Dristereau]

With regards to Elven stories going forwards, I think Silvermoon is unified and solid as the Blood Elven capitol and the Horde's last major stronghold on the Eastern Kingdoms. For Void Elves, their reunification with High Elven wayfarers in Telogrus Rift and connection to Stormwind could explain the new appearances (outside of Silver Covenant/Outland High Elves).

I think we could see the Void/High Elves travel north back up to Lordaeron and have a foothold up there. If they every did update Silvermoon and bring it into the Eastern Kingdoms it would be restored with the Void/High Elves being the aggressors taking over the role from Prospector Anvilward and the Night Elves in the Ghostlands. This would be from a Blood Elven POV so showing the Void Elves dangers with their void magics and go over the Dar'Khan Drathir story with the Void Elves in Ghostlands as well as the every present Trolls threat. I still think the Undead should be there, in the Dead Scar, but the Ghostlands should be partially recovered and Silvermoon restored.

You could cover the fall of Silvermoon, the rise of the Blood Elves including Kael'thas, the split with the Void/High Elves and the current stability Lor'themar brings. I think the ultimate ending to the storyline has to the Void Elves pushed to the edges of the Ghostlands to solidify the Horde in Eastern Kingdoms.

In terms of future expansions I expect Light to be a prominent theme (potential Lightbound on Azeroth, Alliance fracturing with Turalyon at the head or a Shadowlands-esque theme of Light world). Of the Horde races I would expect Blood Elves, Undead and Mag'har to be most strongly used whilst for the Alliance it would likely be Humans, Draenei and Void Elves.

The Dark Rangers that did not join Sylvanas at the end of BFA exist and have Blood Elf models, similar to Warlocks they could be on the edges of Blood Elven society. They could easily add a skin and red eyes for those wanting to look that way and even a few options to appease San'layn requests. In a similar way if they introduced the Night Elven Dark Rangers to the Alliance they would be Night Elf customization.

[Yarathir]

The funniest thing to me was Blood Elf fans using Nightborne as a battering ram against Void Elf/High Elf options. "Nightborne are neglected and barely playable and have the fewest options and then you dare give Void Elves hair color options!?!?!?!"






Hi-larious.

[Alanar]

The funniest thing to me was Blood Elf fans using Nightborne as a battering ram against Void Elf/High Elf options. "Nightborne are neglected and barely playable and have the fewest options and then you dare give Void Elves hair color options!?!?!?!"






Hi-larious.

Wasnt it cus void elf parade hyjacked the thread? With void paladin spam etc etc

[Vaedan]

The only thing Ravenmoon has said that it can be cool and beautiful and telling us to "think Castle Rathria or Nazjatar" neither of which, are Blood Elven or Nightborne. And this is only after about 3 expansions (which is roughly 12 years on average.)

It can be cool, but we need all the lore characters of the Nightborne and Sin'dorei to go Alliance, so I don't know who we've got. "You'll just get new ones" - is the likely response, but Blood Elf fans and Nightborne fans don't want new ones. Even those who'd like Kael'thas back, don't want new characters being made up.

He also talks about fel and death themes being a big thing in Sin'dorei society. No - I can't keep repeating this, but fel magic is NOT a big thing in Quel'Thalas. It wasn't during the TBC era. You could remove the Warlock class from the Blood Elves and it wouldn't make any impact on the future story of the Sin'dorei.
The High Elf exile bore fruit because of the arcane practice of draining magic out of Quel'Thalas mana-wildlife. That is what the Rangers and Priests who took exile, didn't like. They were not fussed of the few who took up to practice fel magic. (And it was a few - many just embraced arcane draining and using fire magic. Indeed, the majority of Blood Elves remained as Mages.)
Death is also something that only impacted those few Sunfury who got lost in Northrend and were then raised into the San'layn. Overall, barring Dark'han, undead Thalassians have no impact in the current Quel'Thalas society. Only Dark'han and Sylvanas did, during the TBC era. Both are now considered traitors to the Elven people.

And I don't understand his idea. It's as though night elves and high/void elves, don't get lore if Sin'dorei or Shal'dorei are getting lore. Did the Darkshore Warfront story not happen in 8.1, because the Sin'dorei heritage armor questline was also happening? No.
And the way Blizzard have wrote the High Elves - they need the Blood Elves to get story. High Elf fans won't like this, but think back to every time we've seen the High Elves in the story, post TBC. For them to be relevant relies heavily on the Blood Elves or Void Elves being part of the story. More so, the former because it gives the few High Elves a story.

And your right, I do tell the truth, even if it means the Blood Elves are not this "big number 1, race."
For example, do Blood Elves make decent Warlocks? Yes, I suppose. Are they masters of wielding fel magic? No, I'd say that goes to the Eredar and if we're talking about the playable races, then the Orcs take that slot.

Well, I actually think that it's not that important that fel and death themes are rather minor in the whole thalassian culture fór getting such customizations. Highborne are not major part of kaldorei society, but we got handful of customizations to reflect them.

There are undead elves in the Horde for years, it's part of the Horde fantasy, so it's reasonable players want to have playable undead elves. That fantasy is delivered on blood elf models, so most efficient way seems to implement undead customizations to blood elves. Adding them to Forsaken might be option too, but it would require way more effort, so I think it's not that possible option eventually.

Adding that feature does not need to affect the direction of whole sin'dorei society. It might just reflect the fact that there are undead elves within the Horde. It's just a way for players to fullfil their RP needs.