Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Tanaria]

Well, I actually think that it's not that important that fel and death themes are rather minor in the whole thalassian culture fór getting such customizations. Highborne are not major part of kaldorei society, but we got handful of customizations to reflect them.

There are undead elves in the Horde for years, it's part of the Horde fantasy, so it's reasonable players want to have playable undead elves. That fantasy is delivered on blood elf models, so most efficient way seems to implement undead customizations to blood elves. Adding them to Forsaken might be option too, but it would require way more effort, so I think it's not that possible option eventually.

Adding that feature does not need to affect the direction of whole sin'dorei society. It might just reflect the fact that there are undead elves within the Horde. It's just a way for players to fullfil their RP needs.

Yes, to the idea of some red eyes and more pasty white skin to resemble the Dark Rangers (one could easily RP a San'layn if they chose a Blood Elf Mage or Blood Elf Shadow Priest.) Again though, the "Dark Rangers" still remain a staple core to the Forsaken, but maybe the Thalassian Dark Rangers are the ones who have more dealings with the Sin'dorei Farstriders.
Not sure where the Kaldorei Dark Rangers go - unless they join the Nightborne Nighthunters or mainly work with the Forsaken Humans?

But with fel, arguably we already have those features with the green eyes. Demon Hunters are a whole different kettle of fish.

[Vaedan]

Yes, to the idea of some red eyes and more pasty white skin to resemble the Dark Rangers (one could easily RP a San'layn if they chose a Blood Elf Mage or Blood Elf Shadow Priest.) Again though, the "Dark Rangers" still remain a staple core to the Forsaken, but maybe the Thalassian Dark Rangers are the ones who have more dealings with the Sin'dorei Farstriders.
Not sure where the Kaldorei Dark Rangers go - unless they join the Nightborne Nighthunters or mainly work with the Forsaken Humans?

But with fel, arguably we already have those features with the green eyes. Demon Hunters are a whole different kettle of fish.

To be honest, I don't really care about fel customizations. As you said, green eyes and perhaps darker skin tones are enough. Runic tattoos would be way cooler, and if we could select the color of tattoos, green ones would work too.

I'm curious about night elf dark rangers. They still might rejoin their people, with Tyrande going on renewal path. I don't think Horde needs them anyway. It just feels more right to join people you died for instead of people who genocided your race.

[Tanaria]

To be honest, I don't really care about fel customizations. As you said, green eyes and perhaps darker skin tones are enough. Runic tattoos would be way cooler, and if we could select the color of tattoos, green ones would work too.

I'm curious about night elf dark rangers. They still might rejoin their people, with Tyrande going on renewal path. I don't think Horde needs them anyway. It just feels more right to join people you died for instead of people who genocided your race.

Maybe the tattoos could work, if they're "Rommath" style.
I wouldn't want "copy/paste" from the Demon Hunter because Blood Elf Warlocks in Silvermoon and Blood Elf Illidari Demon Hunters are basically night and day. So different it's ridiculous.

Also, we do have some darker skin tones, so truly - we have the Warlock features and they equally calculate to the same amount of features the night elves got for their "Highborne" side.

[Rhlor]

The funniest thing to me was Blood Elf fans using Nightborne as a battering ram against Void Elf/High Elf options. "Nightborne are neglected and barely playable and have the fewest options and then you dare give Void Elves hair color options!?!?!?!"






Hi-larious.

It is natural that many people, including me, want mana hands and hair with mana effect

We don't have the npc customization yet! Although I would rather this be discussed in the nightborne thread

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Well, I actually think that it's not that important that fel and death themes are rather minor in the whole thalassian culture fór getting such customizations. Highborne are not major part of kaldorei society, but we got handful of customizations to reflect them.

There are undead elves in the Horde for years, it's part of the Horde fantasy, so it's reasonable players want to have playable undead elves. That fantasy is delivered on blood elf models, so most efficient way seems to implement undead customizations to blood elves. Adding them to Forsaken might be option too, but it would require way more effort, so I think it's not that possible option eventually.

Adding that feature does not need to affect the direction of whole sin'dorei society. It might just reflect the fact that there are undead elves within the Horde. It's just a way for players to fullfil their RP needs.

It is part of the forsaken fantasy not of the blood elves. elf customization for the forsaken. the dark ranger fought against quelthalas served their mistress! the dark ranger are loyal to the forsaken and serve the forsaken leaders! never at any time did any dark ranger do anything for quelthalas they always worked loyally for the forsaken.

[Yarathir]

It is natural that many people, including me, want mana hands and hair with mana effect

We don't have the npc customization yet! Although I would rather this be discussed in the nightborne thread

It's not about Nightborne coming up short or not or having things they could use (btw, trolls could use beards too if we're on that topic)

It's about the gall a lot of Blood Elf fans have to call Blizzard biased towards Void Elves when they get 2(3?) new options in this entire patch compared to the 14 new additions to existing categories or new categories as a whole added to Nightborne.

[Tanaria]

It's not about Nightborne coming up short or not or having things they could use (btw, trolls could use beards too if we're on that topic)

It's about the gall a lot of Blood Elf fans have to call Blizzard biased towards Void Elves when they get 2(3?) new options in this entire patch compared to the 14 new additions to existing categories or new categories as a whole added to Nightborne.

Wasn't this argument used before Nightborne got their features? Nightborne were one of the biggest races in Legion (their story basically kept Legion going, narrative wise), yet had such limited customization.

In this respect, Void Elves and Mag'har were treated with new features, leaving the other allied races, in the dust.

Blizzard stated that they were focusing on the Nightborne and Lightforged - Void Elves will get more Void-based options, but it's just not yet.

Nightborne fans and Blood Elf fans were right about the Nightborne being the most underwhelming race in regards to features, despite their amazing story in Legion. This race is only just catching up now.

[Rhlor]

Wasn't this argument used before Nightborne got their features? Nightborne were one of the biggest races in Legion (their story basically kept Legion going, narrative wise), yet had such limited customization.

In this respect, Void Elves and Mag'har were treated with new features, leaving the other allied races, in the dust.

Blizzard stated that they were focusing on the Nightborne and Lightforged - Void Elves will get more Void-based options, but it's just not yet.

Nightborne fans and Blood Elf fans were right about the Nightborne being the most underwhelming race in regards to features, despite their amazing story in Legion. This race is only just catching up now.

It is normal for nightborne players to feel that the void elves were given what they wanted in their customization even after the announcement they also gave them more hair colors and the option to hide tentacles and the nightborne do not have what they always asked for which is to look like the npcs! not having mana hands or mana effects is definitely a failure in nightborne customization.
but we should talk about this on the nightborne thread

[Yarathir]

Wasn't this argument used before Nightborne got their features? Nightborne were one of the biggest races in Legion (their story basically kept Legion going, narrative wise), yet had such limited customization.

In this respect, Void Elves and Mag'har were treated with new features, leaving the other allied races, in the dust.

Blizzard stated that they were focusing on the Nightborne and Lightforged - Void Elves will get more Void-based options, but it's just not yet.

Nightborne fans and Blood Elf fans were right about the Nightborne being the most underwhelming race in regards to features, despite their amazing story in Legion. This race is only just catching up now.

This is in 9.1.5 threads, post-previews.

[Tanaria]

This is in 9.1.5 threads, post-previews.

Ahh, I don't go into threads like that.
I think all this stuff goes both ways.

Velf fans don't want Nightborne to be updated and vise-versa. I've seen some helf fans calling it a "waste of resources" to update nightborne.

I think we're going through a very "Anti-Horde" on the internet. It needs to stop.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So I'm happy about the new options, but I'm concerned about how the blue post only acknowledged Highmountain Tauren and did not mention Void Elves for new customization in the future. I really, really hope they don't think this is enough as literally all new Void Elf options have been straight up copy pasted aside from the purple eyes, on top of the fact the race was a lazy copy paste from the beginning.

Nightborne look incredible now, they clearly put a lot of work into the new options (more than LFD imo). Disgusts me that some players have the audacity to claim Void Elves are spoiled when it took years and thousands of posts just to get simple copy pastes, when players were asking for modified models, animations, and new hairstyles to differentiate from Blood Elves from the beginning. Horde players are so tunnel visioned on copy pasted Blood Elf options that they're completely ignoring how much love Nightborne just received and pushing this narrative that Void Elves are hogging all the dev resources which is laughable.

If we receive a customization pass in the future, it'll be fine, but like I said, I'm really concerned Blizzard might actually think this is enough and just completely skip out on giving Void Elves new options. Hope I'm wrong.

You're not fooling anybody, Varodoc.

[Alixie]

Honestly, the hype for the patch is dying for me. When it's all said and done, Void Elves didnt get anything "new", they got copy-pasted options and a lazy tentacle toggle switch that leaves giant gaps in many hairstyles. As if the males need even more male pattern baldness. The rest of the patch is almost all QOL changes, and catch up mechanics for alts. Shadowlands still lacks content, and the Alliance is still empty.

Basically, since SL gave us no new classes, races, or class/race combos, this is the perfect time to hotfix in Void Elf paladins. Really live up to the "Alliance High Elves!" hype they want. The Alliance is missing one class/race combo anyway. The Void Elves were already a lazy addition with 5 minutes of lore to their name, slapping together last minute "Void Knights" wouldnt hurt anything. Its not like there's other class/race combos that make no sense or have no lore ever stopped them.

[Kyriani]

Ahh, I don't go into threads like that.
I think all this stuff goes both ways.

Velf fans don't want Nightborne to be updated and vise-versa. I've seen some helf fans calling it a "waste of resources" to update nightborne.

I think we're going through a very "Anti-Horde" on the internet. It needs to stop.

I want nightborne updates I play more than just void elves.

[Pheraz]

Why can't we get both? More void elves and more nightborne customisations? I can't see how void fits to paladins but after holy cows and trolls wielding the light everything is possible

[Yarathir]

Ahh, I don't go into threads like that.
I think all this stuff goes both ways.

Velf fans don't want Nightborne to be updated and vise-versa. I've seen some helf fans calling it a "waste of resources" to update nightborne.

I think we're going through a very "Anti-Horde" on the internet. It needs to stop.

I've.. never seen Helf/Velf fans talk about Nightborne. But if so, that's dumb too.

I do know there has been a huge slapfight between Void and Blood Elf players for a long, long time. It's silly.

[Tanaria]

I've.. never seen Helf/Velf fans talk about Nightborne. But if so, that's dumb too.

I do know there has been a huge slapfight between Void and Blood Elf players for a long, long time. It's silly.

As a Blood Elf fan, I just don't want my race to be forgotten and want them to get their equal time with a Quel'Thalas update and a rebuilt Silvermoon.

The idea, that has been dear to many Blood Elf fans, for such a long time - to have this be seen as "controversial" and "not caring about the Alliance Elves" is just absurd.
I mean, the ideas that Lordaeron, Quel'Thalas, Suramar and Highmountain should all go to the Alliance, plus the Alliance keep the Night Elf and Draenei controlled lands, is staggering and ridiculous.

And people talk on other medias, such as social media and other forums and some people do believe that Nightborne updates are a waste and that it's the Legion Alliance Allied races that should be focused on now, with Highmountain and Nightborne coming later (with some even saying that they should be reserved for the next expansion.) I take issue with this nonsensical, "Anti Horde" rhetoric.

[Kyriani]

Why can't we get both? More void elves and more nightborne customisations? I can't see how void fits to paladins but after holy cows and trolls wielding the light everything is possible

More options for everyone!

[ravenmoon]

I believe that Tanaria tells the truth. you always said that the alliance should conquer suramar and silvermoon, that the few blood elves and nightborne that remained in the horde should not have any development in lore and no city. that all development and all the lore of the elves should only be given to the alliance and that the development of the horde should only be for orcs or tauren.
But tell us how is your vision of what would happen to the blood elves and the nightborne once they lose their homes? What development would they have? Whenever you talked about this, the only thing you said was "give the zulaman horde a change or create a new maghar capital somewhere" but you never said anything about the blood elves and the nightborne because the horde according to you should have the playable model but nothing more than that.
So please tell us what would be the future of the blood elves and the nightborne? I suppose that it would no longer be just that the horde has the model then what will happen to them and their story?

I've said many things, some of them are the exact opposite of each other.

Context my dear, such recollections are only relevant in the context they are made.

I still s and by 100% what I said, just don't you go mis-understanding.. in your hurt over my suggestions, you simply failed to look beyond losing silvermoon to see what else could benefit you in the long run. . While closing the elf chapter on the horde would work very well, it could still be open if it came in line with the rest of the faction - on the basis ofc that returning to distinct faction themes was the directon. However my preferred suggestion never involved removal, even in the occassions it was listed as an option, which it is.

It all depends on what blizz want to do, , I'm sorry you can't look beyond.. "oh no, blood elves can't lose Silvermoon, = the end of the world"

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

High elf / blonde void elf hype is good and I am all on the hype train. And I love seeing all those high elves running around in stormwind.

And yes it was dump to give blood elves to the horde.

Yet IT HAPPENED. And it was actually really long time ago. The game already has enough retcons and inconsistencies. So Silvermoon should always be the blood elf capital in my opinion. Some things need to be accepted as a fact even if the history was weird.

I am repeating myself but I think high elves as outcasts are very cool and fit very good into the alliance cities. Maybe we could get some siege outposts around silvermoon to annoy the blood elves with high elf guerillia stuff. Yes I know alleria doesn't want this, but it would be cool for the gameplay.

I just love the idea of High Elves constantly shaking their fists on the direction of Quel'thalas and saying "Someday!!!"

But yeah, High Elves have been on a state of stasis for over a decade and I would just really like to see them move on, and now with the arrival of the Void Elves and the remaining Windrunners coming together, I think it's time for the thalassian exiles as a whole to start building a new future.

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With regards to Elven stories going forwards, I think Silvermoon is unified and solid as the Blood Elven capitol and the Horde's last major stronghold on the Eastern Kingdoms. For Void Elves, their reunification with High Elven wayfarers in Telogrus Rift and connection to Stormwind could explain the new appearances (outside of Silver Covenant/Outland High Elves).

I think we could see the Void/High Elves travel north back up to Lordaeron and have a foothold up there. If they every did update Silvermoon and bring it into the Eastern Kingdoms it would be restored with the Void/High Elves being the aggressors taking over the role from Prospector Anvilward and the Night Elves in the Ghostlands. This would be from a Blood Elven POV so showing the Void Elves dangers with their void magics and go over the Dar'Khan Drathir story with the Void Elves in Ghostlands as well as the every present Trolls threat. I still think the Undead should be there, in the Dead Scar, but the Ghostlands should be partially recovered and Silvermoon restored.

You could cover the fall of Silvermoon, the rise of the Blood Elves including Kael'thas, the split with the Void/High Elves and the current stability Lor'themar brings. I think the ultimate ending to the storyline has to the Void Elves pushed to the edges of the Ghostlands to solidify the Horde in Eastern Kingdoms.

In terms of future expansions I expect Light to be a prominent theme (potential Lightbound on Azeroth, Alliance fracturing with Turalyon at the head or a Shadowlands-esque theme of Light world). Of the Horde races I would expect Blood Elves, Undead and Mag'har to be most strongly used whilst for the Alliance it would likely be Humans, Draenei and Void Elves.

The Dark Rangers that did not join Sylvanas at the end of BFA exist and have Blood Elf models, similar to Warlocks they could be on the edges of Blood Elven society. They could easily add a skin and red eyes for those wanting to look that way and even a few options to appease San'layn requests. In a similar way if they introduced the Night Elven Dark Rangers to the Alliance they would be Night Elf customization.

I kinda like the idea of VE/HE retaking either the Lighthouse, or Quel'lithien. If an outright Battle of Quel'thalas is not ever gonna happen, it would just be a neat way to show the looming hostility by having a settlement of the exiles so close to the BE territories, but not impeding on them. The tension alone would be delicious.

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Honestly, the hype for the patch is dying for me. When it's all said and done, Void Elves didnt get anything "new", they got copy-pasted options and a lazy tentacle toggle switch that leaves giant gaps in many hairstyles. As if the males need even more male pattern baldness. The rest of the patch is almost all QOL changes, and catch up mechanics for alts. Shadowlands still lacks content, and the Alliance is still empty.

Basically, since SL gave us no new classes, races, or class/race combos, this is the perfect time to hotfix in Void Elf paladins. Really live up to the "Alliance High Elves!" hype they want. The Alliance is missing one class/race combo anyway. The Void Elves were already a lazy addition with 5 minutes of lore to their name, slapping together last minute "Void Knights" wouldnt hurt anything. Its not like there's other class/race combos that make no sense or have no lore ever stopped them.

IMO, there isn't a case why High Elves *HAVE* to be Paladins. Sure would be neat, but of all the things that define HE fantasy, Paladins just aren't one of them. Some people are never going to be happy until they get Alliance High Elven Paladins and that's a valid desire as any, but they were never a given, so holding out for them might be waiting for Godot.

And this is not really a disimilar desire to simply wanting HE's. Sure they are neat, but they didn't *HAVE* to be playable. But the case for them was better, the argument stronger, and overall just has more people supporting it. And at the end of the day, people that need HE paladins are a fraction of the fraction. Even I, that would love a HE paladin, I'm okay if they never happen because I don't feel it breaks any lore.

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I want nightborne updates I play more than just void elves.

Some people would rather believe that if we support sharing customization options is because we are just greedy VE players that want more stuff while preventing others from getting it.

Instead of, you know, overall being okay with customization sharing where it makes sense in the lore -and even that is very subjective-

But I guess it's funnier to say "VElf fans don't want NB to be updated and vice versa"

[FossilFree]

They need to do one more warfront: Quel'thalas.

It could be Void Elves vs Blood Elves. Blood Elves would end up keeping it, but it would allow new stories, new lore, and an updated zone (think of how much better new Arathi is). Also, imagine the gear sets! 3 tiers for each armor type and weapons for both Void Elves and Blood Elves. You can't tell me that wouldn't bring players back to the game. Personally, I loved warfronts, and I never understood all the hate for them. They just needed to be a bit harder, with a chance of failure, and have a pvp version. They should have been iterated on, not thrown in the trash.

[Tanaria]

I've said many things, some of them are the exact opposite of each other.

Context my dear, such recollections are only relevant in the context they are made.

I still s and by 100% what I said, just don't you go mis-understanding.. in your hurt over my suggestions, you simply failed to look beyond losing silvermoon to see what else could benefit you in the long run. . While closing the elf chapter on the horde would work very well, it could still be open if it came in line with the rest of the faction - on the basis ofc that returning to distinct faction themes was the directon. However my preferred suggestion never involved removal, even in the occassions it was listed as an option, which it is.

It all depends on what blizz want to do, , I'm sorry you can't look beyond.. "oh no, blood elves can't lose Silvermoon, = the end of the world"

And alliance/High Elves not having Silvermoon, Suramar, Lordaeron and Highmountain, isn't the end of the world, either.

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They need to do one more warfront: Quel'thalas.

It could be Void Elves vs Blood Elves. Blood Elves would end up keeping it, but it would allow new stories, new lore, and an updated zone (think of how much better new Arathi is). Also, imagine the gear sets! 3 tiers for each armor type and weapons for both Void Elves and Blood Elves. You can't tell me that wouldn't bring players back to the game. Personally, I loved warfronts, and I never understood all the hate for them. They just needed to be a bit harder, with a chance of failure, and have a pvp version. They should have been iterated on, not thrown in the trash.

A QT warfront was planned, but it was scrapped because the Warfront system was negatively viewed.

I think, rather than the QT Warfront, they brought in the Sin'dorei Heritage Armor.