1. #24941
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    This thread isn't about Paladins or who is or isn't justified in being capable of choosing the Paladin class. Let's return to the actual topic of the thread and drop this derailing tangent concerning the Paladin class.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." - Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  2. #24942
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaedan View Post
    Undead thalassian (Dark ranger/San'layn) has been a Horde thing, so it should stay Horde thing. I actually think San'layn allied race would be the best way how to implement them, because they'd their own group, possible with ties to both blood elves and forsaken. Giving it to the Alliance is something nobody wants (well, only you) and somthing a lot of horde fans would be mad about. On the other hand, slapping these undead customizations seem to be the easiest way for devs, so who knows.

    "Lightforged" features for blood elves are great idea, I'd like that.
    the sanlayn ate soldiers of the horde I suppose the horde would not accept them again. also the void elves use necromancy so it would be better for the sanlayn as part of a society that accepts necromancy than a society that is radiated by light.
    it could be a neutral allied race i see a lot of alliance players wanting the sanlayn to be playable

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Just like we are getting HE's through VE's, the most efficient way to get San'layn is through Blood Elves. Simple as that.

    And in terms of efficiency, we just got so much bang for our buck with adding HE stuff on the VE model!
    the sanlayn use the night elf model so the easiest way to have sanlayn is with the night elves


  3. #24943
    With this, only one "Normal" option remains for the Ren'dorei, and it's magical runes/tattoos:



    After all the Thalassian are known for infusing themselves with these magical runes that boost and augment their strength and skills.

    With this done Blizzard can finally begin adding more "Void-oriented" options for the Ren'dorei, akin to this:





    The objective here is to represent the duality of the Ren'dorei through the customization options: their "fair form" as former Sin'dorei/Quel'dorei, and their "Void form" as Ren'dorei. Like Alleria.

    Regardless everything is proceeding splendidly, I did not think Blizzard would devote so many resources to Ren'dorei in this of all expansions, what a pleasant surprise.

  4. #24944
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Yeah, that's for sure!

    But I think most people finally got that message now, many threads about possible allied races and customizations are emerging again.

    If I had the time, I would do a machinima of this song with Void Elves using 9.1.5 High Elf customizations on Alliance cities:

    Nice idea xD

    I had this idea of a small Machinima...

    Scene 1: blizzard hq... All races of vanilla as blizz employees in a stand up meeting talking about tbc classes. Boss is an orc and says "ok we're getting the blood elves". The rest "and what should alliance get then? Aren't they an alliance race?" "Because I want them. Just give alliance... Some... Uhm... Space goats!" "Uh... Okay "

    Scene 2: some years later orc boss is sitting at his desk with a blonde wig of long hair on his head. Employee enters the room. "Hi boss just wanted to ask you how would you feel about getting high elves for the alliance now with this whole allied race idea we've had for the next X-Pac. ?" ... Orc boss with a blonde wig on his head ".... No! Just give them .... Uhm... Give them void elves!" .. "uhm... What are those?" ... "Well, high elves who don't look like high elves but have emo hair cuts and blue skin".... "Uh.... Okay"

    Scene 3: subs dropping on a chart in a stand up meeting. Everyone is looking kind of pissed. Orc boss with the blonde wig on the middle. Silence. Everyone is looking angrily at the boss. "No no no I know that you want... No no no YOU DON'T GET MY WIG".... *screams.... Chaotic noises"..... Orc boss knocked out on the floor and an void elf employee grabbing the blonde wig


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    lmao hardcore belf fans on suicide watch

  6. #24946
    Quote Originally Posted by Flade View Post
    lmao hardcore belf fans on suicide watch
    They're not High Elves, they're not High Elves, they're not High Elves! Stop saying that!


  7. #24947
    Quote Originally Posted by Flade View Post
    lmao hardcore belf fans on suicide watch
    I am hardcore blood elf fan
    And the only make me mad are canibal option for blood elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    As a War2 purist
    but you don't like alteraci human for the horde

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    I am hardcore blood elf fan
    And the only make me mad are canibal option for blood elves
    at this point I wouldn't mind now san'layn or dark ranger options for blood elves; but I wish to implement that Blizzard implements first the sub-race system
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

    I make Warcraft 3 Reforged custom models that intends to fill the gaps in the Reforged campaign

  9. #24949
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    the sanlayn ate soldiers of the horde I suppose the horde would not accept them again. also the void elves use necromancy so it would be better for the sanlayn as part of a society that accepts necromancy than a society that is radiated by light.
    it could be a neutral allied race i see a lot of alliance players wanting the sanlayn to be playable

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    the sanlayn use the night elf model so the easiest way to have sanlayn is with the night elves
    Void elves used dead bodies as vessels for the Void entities, which is not exactly necromancy, at least not that one which was used to rise san'layn and is possibly used by them. That power draws from the power of Death, not the Void.

    It's the same case as Anduin and Faol raised Calia Menethil as undead with powers of Light. Completely different methods, completely different sources. Or should I say undeath is just fine with light users, according to this one event?

    San'layn are risen blood elves, not night elves. Adding them to night elves does not make sense. Also, it's been Horde players who requests that for years now, this feature has nothing to do with the Alliance.
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    From a personal POV I honestly think the three new colours added (White, Black and Brown) are much better and what I wanted than the others, I think the white looks really cool. I never expected or cared much for Red/Ginger as I felt you should keep the Void Elves cold colours (White/Black/Blue) and have the Blood Elves with warm (Red, Blonde etc).

    Hairstyles
    I want to see the tentacle free versions of hairstyles before I pass judgement on those, if they're just removed I think half of them may look incomplete and not sit right. I still want to see more hairstyles, essentially ones which give the Void Elves a more elegant option than most which look like they forgot to care about personal hygiene when they left Quel'thalas. There are some interesting options at the start of this thread and you give the options to Blood Elves as well as the OG race.

    Eye/Skin Colour
    Yes I know, we've been doing this road before but I have a few final requests. For both Void and Blood, a blue eyes option similar to the purple one with a white sclera, I think this looks much better than the full blue we currently. And for Blood Elves, give them a Dark Ranger pale skin and red eyes. Why not?

    Accessories
    This is another one I think that would be really nice to add which is feathers/plumes similar to the Dwarves as it would help reinforce the High Elf theme. I also really think Body/Face paint/tattoos would add a new dimension to Elves in the same way it has for other races, such as Dwarves, Tauren, Orcs and Trolls. Again, the first page demonstrates this really well. For Blood Elves as well, Runic Tattoos. It feels somewhat criminal for Blood Elves to still not have Runic Tattoos when they were show on the Box Art for TBC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dristereau View Post
    From a personal POV I honestly think the three new colours added (White, Black and Brown) are much better and what I wanted than the others, I think the white looks really cool. I never expected or cared much for Red/Ginger as I felt you should keep the Void Elves cold colours (White/Black/Blue) and have the Blood Elves with warm (Red, Blonde etc).

    Hairstyles
    I want to see the tentacle free versions of hairstyles before I pass judgement on those, if they're just removed I think half of them may look incomplete and not sit right. I still want to see more hairstyles, essentially ones which give the Void Elves a more elegant option than most which look like they forgot to care about personal hygiene when they left Quel'thalas. There are some interesting options at the start of this thread and you give the options to Blood Elves as well as the OG race.

    Eye/Skin Colour
    Yes I know, we've been doing this road before but I have a few final requests. For both Void and Blood, a blue eyes option similar to the purple one with a white sclera, I think this looks much better than the full blue we currently. And for Blood Elves, give them a Dark Ranger pale skin and red eyes. Why not?

    Accessories
    This is another one I think that would be really nice to add which is feathers/plumes similar to the Dwarves as it would help reinforce the High Elf theme. I also really think Body/Face paint/tattoos would add a new dimension to Elves in the same way it has for other races, such as Dwarves, Tauren, Orcs and Trolls. Again, the first page demonstrates this really well. For Blood Elves as well, Runic Tattoos. It feels somewhat criminal for Blood Elves to still not have Runic Tattoos when they were show on the Box Art for TBC
    Here's what the hairstyles look without tentacles courtesy of Talendrion




    We'll have to wait till the PTR is updated to see them in the new colors.

  12. #24952
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    I am hardcore blood elf fan
    And the only make me mad are canibal option for blood elves
    Not hardcore enough, apparently, since you aren't frothing at the mouth that Blizzard is "destroying your character's racial identity and culture and throwing it to the big bad Alliance crybabies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edoll View Post


    We did it!!! We did it!!

    We really should start pushing for void elf paladins.
    The even let the newest hair colors have smirks on their faces :P YAAAAYYYY FINALLY!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    This. Nothing is iconic about High Elf Paladins.

    It is and has always been Rangers (Hunters) and Sorcerers (Mages)
    Priests too I believe

  14. #24954
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    I am hardcore blood elf fan
    And the only make me mad are canibal option for blood elves
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Not hardcore enough, apparently, since you aren't frothing at the mouth that Blizzard is "destroying your character's racial identity and culture and throwing it to the big bad Alliance crybabies."
    This. You shame your race, traitor!

  15. #24955
    All this stuff is validating the idea that they really should have just had the BC races be Blood Elves for the Horde and High Elves for the Alliance.

    BE fans simply do not get it: No this isn't enough. It will never be enough. Because your race caused an enormous maelstrom within the balance of faction populations which has caused upsetting ripples throughout the game for over a decade.

    You talk about stealing the racial identity of the BE but the Horde literally stole a core race from the Alliance in BC and never looked back. It's been nothing but disingenuous argumentation and coping mechanisms from then on. The fact that you have the nerve to ask for alterac humans and dark ranger BEs just speaks volumes about how tone deaf you are.


  16. #24956
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Priests too I believe
    Honestly they are on THIN ice, their iconic-ness just being carried by Warcraft 3. No major or relevant High Elf priest characters have been introduced in WoW. They are indeed one of the most iconic RTS units, but they never really got brought up during WoW itself on a significant way.

    The only modern examples we have that High Elves participate in holy light worship is Vereesa saying "By the Light!", and the Highvale Elves being very light focused (beyond class trainer and vendor NPC's)

    IMO, High Elves have never really been a very religious race, it just doesn't define their culture in a way it does for humans or night elves. Of course there are important cases and notorious branches, but for me they have always come across as not very religious as a whole, on a cultural level.

    The whole "light" aspect of the modern Sunwell comes after the schism, and while of course is a cultural and historic heritage locale for all High Elves, the religious light aspect of it is completely a Blood Elven cultural thing.


    Alleria is pretty much, literally, the template of what an "Alliance High Elf" is. She's literally the face of the race as introduced. The fact that she didn't share the ideological views her own husband had on the light and chose to use the potential of the Void, could be a good representation of the beliefs of her generation.

  17. #24957
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Wu View Post
    All this stuff is validating the idea that they really should have just had the BC races be Blood Elves for the Horde and High Elves for the Alliance.

    BE fans simply do not get it: No this isn't enough. It will never be enough. Because your race caused an enormous maelstrom within the balance of faction populations which has caused upsetting ripples throughout the game for over a decade.

    You talk about stealing the racial identity of the BE but the Horde literally stole a core race from the Alliance in BC and never looked back. It's been nothing but disingenuous argumentation and coping mechanisms from then on. The fact that you have the nerve to ask for alterac humans and dark ranger BEs just speaks volumes about how tone deaf you are.

    Imagine caring this much about the color of elves in a video game. It's a sad and pityable sight. Not just you, goes for the 1262 other pages of this thread too.

  18. #24958
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    No more red vs blue expansions. Blizzard have already said they are laying off them for a long time.

    And the Blood Elves can lose Silvermoon...17-20 years after Quel'Thalas is updated for the Horde Sin'dorei.
    Suramar will never be updated - Horde only have the Nighthold.

    I do look forward to a Quel'Thalas update for the Horde Sin'dorei. They deserve and need it.

    EDIT:
    The fact that you, @ravenmoon - want to enforce the same misery onto the Sin'dorei fanbase as what your going through now with the Night Elves, makes me less sympathetic to actually wanting Night Elves to have their own city, have their own lands...you want to punish my favorite race for no reason, other than your personal views and think that I should be alright with it and if I'm not - "Well join the Alliance." No, Blizzard should not force that on me and they won't. I didn't ask them to write BFA and make the Night Elves homeless...it's very hypocritical for you to be wanting sympathy for the Night Elves, yet want the Sin'dorei to go through the exact treatment and expect Sin'dorei fans to remain quiet about it.

    Maybe, Night Elves should be left out of the story for a good few expansions and let the Void Elves take over and build up Telogrus Citadel?

    Sin'dorei and Shal'dorei carry on as they are, in an updated Quel'Thalas and in the Nighthold, because Horde players won't get an updated Suramar.
    You are taking this FAR to personally.

    I use to sometimes, especially after what they did to night elves. Trust me it’s much healthier if you don’t.

    Trust me, I was purely analysing the situation from as rationally as I could. the trending and projection of fan influenced directions.

    you’ll find it helpful to love all elves regardless of whether it’s blue or red and desire them to be enjoyable.

    you quaked at the idea of blood elves losing Silvermoon. You didn’t care whether they moved into something better or got improved by the experience.

    what is falling about what happened to the night elves was the consistent degradation and loss since their fantastical introduction in Wc3, leading from the sundering with no good improvement.

    not once have I ever suggested blood elves losing something without gaining something. You basically always want exciting things players can rally around for a race when they lose something. Loss is part of the story. What’s bad is when they keep losing and never improve or get better things and performances.

    if losing Teldrassil meant the night elves powering up with the well of eternity arcane, world tree nature and night warrior Elune, gaining a better city than Darnassus and Suramar and being quite powerful in action every time you meet them in the events. Like they were supposed to be when they were described as a TITANIC race in the Wc3 manual, even regaining their immortality (which face it, none of these affect gameplay at all), then I’d say you are now compensating night elves for losing horribly in the WoR, looking so bad in Cata, ineffective and awol for most of classic to wotLK, and coming out of wc3 with significant reductions.

    Do you not think of blood elves lost Silvermoon. I would not be championing great ways they could improve and end up even better than before?

    for me that’s the main thing
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  19. #24959
    Why exactly were we talking about giving San'layn options to the Ren'dorei? They are still Ren'dorei, not "Umbrella term for all elves". The Ren'dorei got these new options because fair skin and blonde hair is part of the Ren'dorei identity (see their leader Lady Alleria Windrunner), but they have nothing in common with the San'layn or the Dark Rangers.

    While they use magic that can be compared to necromancy, it doesn't seem like the creatures they raised in Zuldazar were sentient like the undead are. They were simply animating fallen bones and corpses using the Void energy.

  20. #24960
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    The even let the newest hair colors have smirks on their faces :P YAAAAYYYY FINALLY!!!!!
    Like I will say that brown hair color was my least favorite option but that's just nitpicking on my end TBH.

    BTW, this does leave VE's having the same number of hair colors than BE's -this latest addition really has doubled the options!- so I kinda doubt we see more colors on VE's for a hot while, unless BE also get more. I don't think VE's are going to get more options than BE's ever -and they are already on thin ice on skin tones because Blood Elves technically do have access to 23 skin tones, yet 9 of them are class locked.

    Best case scenario, DK skin tones (and maybe some DH ones) are unlocked for BE's next expansion, and VE's will get like 2 new skin tones. Otherwise, I think it's likely VE's will only get jewelry/colors, hairstyles/tendrils and some sort of marking.

    But maybe we won't be getting more hair colors on VE's at all for a long time.

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