Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

PTR has been pretty nuts.

There's more high elves than void elves. As it should be.

Void elves were a tiny group rejoined by a larger group of high & blood elves.

[ravenmoon]

@Alanar

yes it’s nice to be agreeing on things, we probably do on a lot, just that the disagreements won’t way off track.

Partly because of my insistence in the past on hammering my point home which wasn’t always necessary

example, I’m fine with blood elves keeping Silvermoon. What I really want is for high elves and night elves to have a great new home.

When I thought about it, I kinda felt because it was the high elves home, they should have it, and the derivative group should be the one getting the new city.

but that is only from a point of view. Because whiles it’s is the case, thing is those who call themselves blood elves is their home too, and they’ve also been there all this time, technically those who are high elves were away from home. Which played a huge role in why they remained high elves.

So who should have it? Actually either or both or neither. Then I explored each option. But bottom line, I wanted high elves to be in an amazing home that was stunning and lived up to the best the race could offer.

Thisnis exactly the same way I deal with the Kaldorei and Shal’dorei over Suramar too. It’s also why I want a new night elf city to represent and show the very best the Kaldorei have ever been able to produce. So if not Suramar, something very much at that level but different, Zin’Azsahri is ideal. It’s Kaldorei, grand and looks different enough.

Cant agree to anything less or shabby, feeling that other Kaldorei towns and cities can show mixes in architecture and we can tree like rural homes like in Val’sharah and actual towns like we saw in Tel’anor and Meredil.

My preferred option at this point in time is

1. Void elves get a new city which high elves can share or not
2. Blood elves keep Silvermoon and/or high elves share it with them.

I have it this way because both blood elves and void elves can now make high elves. It stands to reason we would have high elves with both blood elven and void elven communities and cities. Even with the night elves too. You can role play a pro blood elf high elf close to the Sunwell like Auroc Sunchaser, keeping your identity, trying to win your people back to their original principals but accepting and supporting their horde allegiance (at least openly)

or you could play a high elf, anti horde but pro Thalassian intrigued with or just working with the ren’dorei, Loa tap to the alliance with dreams of having the blood elves back under the blue banner.

My hopes for night elves are different though.

3. My preferred option is I want Nightborne in Suramar.

4. I want Night elves playing an active role there. I don’t mind if these are neutral broken isle night elves or alliance ones. I want them friendly and helping the Nightborne.

5. I want the Kaldorei to have their own city, incredible and majestic of their own. I no longer prefer them to take Suramar.

A new city is a better option, but only if it’s incredible. It’s just that the chance of both of these happening is slim. But hey could be clever and piece together stuff they’ve already done for Zin’Azshari/
Nar’thalas and Suramar to do a new city with the Zin’Azshari colours of white and blue rather than the Suramar colours.

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Darker skin and pure white hair actually makes pretty good Drow fantasy. I love that. Maybe it's time to do my WoW drow ranger

Last thing I want are cosmic "starcursed" hair textures and few more hairstyles. Then my wishes are complete.



oh, so cool. I'm pretty hyped for all the new appearances people are gonna create. High elves are finaly here, so are proper black/white haired void elves. Awesome.

Yeh. Most of my void elves are going to remain void elves and have the silver hair.

I wanted that most.

still glad I can make a high elf, but barely feel the need to as I got so many blood elves.

I actually am substituting some night elves for purple void elves because they do it much better now I have access to Silver hair. I have wanted to do the race swap for a while now. 9.1.5 finally gives me what I want

but probably going to change my blood elf eyes back to green or gold only. And save blue exclusively for whichever high elf I make.

I find myself wanting the two elven groups looking different even if I can make them look identical. I just view elves like I do Pandaren. Same race on both sides. Except that elves have better options.

Alliance has purple Thalassians , and horde has skinny night elves the other side can’t access. Also some minor differences like hairstyles, decoration effects etc. Whereas Pandaren are the same both sides.

[Yarathir]

Part of the reason I like this is that now anyone I see that plays a Void Elf with void options has opted to do so, rather than doing so because they felt it was the closest thing to playing a High Elf.

[Wired-Lain]

Part of the reason I like this is that now anyone I see that plays a Void Elf with void options has opted to do so, rather than doing so because they felt it was the closest thing to playing a High Elf.

Definitely makes void elves feel more special and unique, as they should be.

[Tanaria]

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If your coming back to WoW, might I suggest you wait for 9.1.5 instead of now?

There's no point in coming back in 9.1.

[BaumanKing]

PTR has been pretty nuts.

I wonder what kind of relationship Helves will have with Velves. Can Velves join the Silver Covenant? Will this somehow be reflected in the lore? Probably not, but it would still be great to know.

[Tanaria]

I wonder what kind of relationship Helves will have with Velves. Can Velves join the Silver Covenant? Will this somehow be reflected in the lore? Probably not, but it would still be great to know.

I reckon, Void Elves and High Elves are on very good terms. We saw a High Elf Sorceress and Void Elf walking around Stormwind together.
I'd also say that Night Elves, High Elves and Void Elves are all on good terms as well.

[Yarathir]

I wonder what kind of relationship Helves will have with Velves. Can Velves join the Silver Covenant? Will this somehow be reflected in the lore? Probably not, but it would still be great to know.

Can't tell you straight up, but there's some High Elf Wayfarers in Telogrus Rift being taught by Void Elves and also some High Elf Sorcerer NPCs in Stormwind chilling with Void Elves, so I guess they're at least on somewhat amicable terms?

[Frenchvince]

Adding or updating High Elf NPCs with the new Void Elf customizations would be welcome.

Like the high elf sorceress, for example.

[Yarathir]

Adding or updating High Elf NPCs with the new Void Elf customizations would be welcome.

Like the high elf sorceress, for example.

Hordebros.. I thought the Alliance had no High Elves......

[FlubberPuddy]

Part of the reason I like this is that now anyone I see that plays a Void Elf with void options has opted to do so, rather than doing so because they felt it was the closest thing to playing a High Elf.

That's why I never understood the logic that restriction of choice was better, some people have the logic that something is more special if there's less choice on the matter which never made sense to me.

Now that there's more choice, the choices one makes becomes more special imo because yeah like you're saying they are now choosing to pick those skin tones/tentacles willingly.

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Hordebros.. I thought the Alliance had no High Elves......

Clearly photoshop lul

[Varodoc]

Can't tell you straight up, but there's some High Elf Wayfarers in Telogrus Rift being taught by Void Elves and also some High Elf Sorcerer NPCs in Stormwind chilling with Void Elves, so I guess they're at least on somewhat amicable terms?

"Ren'dorei" as a term simply means "Children of the Void", all those who embrace the Void and seek to become one with it, are Ren'dorei.

So even if those wayfarers are biologically uncorrupted High elves, they would still be considered "Ren'dorei". For they are indeed united by the Void and seek to study and be reforged by it.

If you asked those students in Telogrus Rift what they are, they would indeed tell you that they see themselves as Children of the Void. And if there was a way to replicate the ritual that turned Alleria Windrunner into the first of the Ren'dorei, they would probably take it.

[Yarathir]

"Ren'dorei" as a term simply means "Children of the Void", all those who embrace the Void and seek to become one with it, are Ren'dorei.

So even if those wayfarers are biologically uncorrupted High elves, they would still be considered "Ren'dorei". For they are indeed united by the Void and seek to study and be reforged by it.

If you asked those students in Telogrus Rift what they are, they would indeed tell you that they see themselves as Children of the Void. And if there was a way to replicate the ritual that turned Alleria Windrunner into the first of the Ren'dorei, they would probably take it.

That's why it's important to separate Void Elves as a political group from Void Elves as a "race."

The purple, betentacled Void Elves are most definitely genetically altered and can be considered their own Void Elf race. But as of right now, Void Elf as a political group seems to contain other types of elves, like those aforementioned High Elf Wayfarers and Alleria, who is her own type of Void Elf.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Adding or updating High Elf NPCs with the new Void Elf customizations would be welcome.

Like the high elf sorceress, for example.

NGL, it would be an unnecessary effort, but I'd love if they started changing HE NPC's to use the VE model XD

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Can't tell you straight up, but there's some High Elf Wayfarers in Telogrus Rift being taught by Void Elves and also some High Elf Sorcerer NPCs in Stormwind chilling with Void Elves, so I guess they're at least on somewhat amicable terms?

It's really a shame we haven't seen any more of it since its set up in 7.3.5, but yeah, we can't obviate the fact that from the little we have gotten in regards of VE relationships, they made an effort to show them on very amicable terms with High Elves; those sorcerers weren't in game before, so they were added to quite literally show them walking and talking around time.

Compounded to the High Elven Wayfarers in Telogrus (I think it really just a matter of time before we have conformation them and the Silvermoon Scholars have "become" Void Elves) and the simple fact that the leaders of the VE and HE's are sisters that work together, I think that the implication is heavily on the "They do get along" But I really hope we see a solid confirmation and advancement of it.

[Varodoc]

That's why it's important to separate Void Elves as a political group from Void Elves as a "race."

The purple, betentacled Void Elves are most definitely genetically altered and can be considered their own Void Elf race. But as of right now, Void Elf as a political group seems to contain other types of elves, like those aforementioned High Elf Wayfarers and Alleria, who is her own type of Void Elf.

Indeed. It's exactly the same situation as the Forsaken.

For instance, we know that the Forsaken are a group of free-willed Undead, most of which are Undead Humans, but not necessarily. Many Forsaken are also Undead Elves or even Leper Gnomes, there was even one Dreadlord at one point.

Similarly, while the Ren'dorei (Children of the Void) are mostly biologically Void elves, I have no doubt that those Blood and High elves scholars would classify themselves as Children of the Void. Since they seek to study the Void and go to extreme lengths to do so (the Blood elves scholars were willing to defy the Horde to do so...).

[Beloren]

Indeed. It's exactly the same situation as the Forsaken.
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and the same with The Night Elves

That's why it's important to separate Void Elves as a political group from Void Elves as a "race."

The purple, betentacled Void Elves are most definitely genetically altered and can be considered their own Void Elf race. But as of right now, Void Elf as a political group seems to contain other types of elves, like those aforementioned High Elf Wayfarers and Alleria, who is her own type of Void Elf.

It's as Ravenmoon said, Ren'dorei is both a race and a faction. The race are those genetically altered, the faction is not exclusive to genetically altered Thalassians, but also blood elves and high elves who now study the void, and identify as void elves, as well as those who just want to partner with them as high elves.

It's similar to the night elves. The Night Elves is the faction, but night elves is the race. Treants, ancients, Dryads, keepers are all part of the faction, but not part of the race even if they have genetic connections. WE may have options to play dryads one day, but another example are Highborne who are a different faction of night elves allied to The Night Elves, but in their case happen to be genetically night elven race wise, but not faction wise. all the broken isle night elf factions are not part of "The Night Elves" which to avoid confusion people often call Darnassians these days.

[Yarathir]

NGL, it would be an unnecessary effort, but I'd love if they started changing HE NPC's to use the VE model XD

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It's really a shame we haven't seen any more of it since its set up in 7.3.5, but yeah, we can't obviate the fact that from the little we have gotten in regards of VE relationships, they made an effort to show them on very amicable terms with High Elves; those sorcerers weren't in game before, so they were added to quite literally show them walking and talking around time.

Compounded to the High Elven Wayfarers in Telogrus (I think it really just a matter of time before we have conformation them and the Silvermoon Scholars have "become" Void Elves) and the simple fact that the leaders of the VE and HE's are sisters that work together, I think that the implication is heavily on the "They do get along" But I really hope we see a solid confirmation and advancement of it.

Honestly, I think their existence serves as a basis for playable Void Elf (faction)-aligned genetic High Elves, and that any of the actually voidy Void Elves we see or play are all a result of the events of the introduction scenario.

[The Stormbringer]

This is one of those things that, if they made enough changes to get me playing again, would get me playing a Void Elf (as a High Elf) specifically. That said, I also dig the Void Elf aesthetic, I just think I like High Elves a little more.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Honestly, I think their existence serves as a basis for playable Void Elf (faction)-aligned genetic High Elves, and that any of the actually voidy Void Elves we see or play are all a result of the events of the introduction scenario.

That's my issue about it. Like it implies that yes! both BE and HE's are studying with the VE's and Ethereals! which is nice!! but with like, zero actual explanation of how they would become Void Elves? Like I feel we should get some of that SOON.

It all boils down to VE's needing more depth of lore and characterization, BfA basically did nothing for them as a race -we did get some Umbric- and I really hope we get to see how they have advanced as a race next expansion.

I do feel the implication that there ARE new VE initiates coming from BE and HE is there, but I'd like for it to be stronger right now than them just attending a lecture. Like, if we saw the Wayfarers and Scholars using void abilities, such as Entropic Embrace and Spatial Rift, it would just be a neat bit of environmental storytelling.

Having what we have since 2018 is just too little to have an working knowledge of how they function as a society. Contrast that to LFD, we know exactly how more are made, easy peacy.

[Yarathir]

That's my issue about it. Like it implies that yes! both BE and HE's are studying with the VE's and Ethereals! which is nice!! but with like, zero actual explanation of how they would become Void Elves? Like I feel we should get some of that SOON.

It all boils down to VE's needing more depth of lore and characterization, BfA basically did nothing for them as a race -we did get some Umbric- and I really hope we get to see how they have advanced as a race next expansion.

I do feel the implication that there ARE new VE initiates coming from BE and HE is there, but I'd like for it to be stronger right now than them just attending a lecture. Like, if we saw the Wayfarers and Scholars using void abilities, such as Entropic Embrace and Spatial Rift, it would just be a neat bit of environmental storytelling.

Having what we have since 2018 is just too little to have an working knowledge of how they function as a society. Contrast that to LFD, we know exactly how more are made, easy peacy.

That's assuming they will ever genetically become Void Elves, tbh. Who says they will? Maybe they'll just continue being High and Blood Elves with void powers? Without being altered physically. Of course they couldn't let Alliance players play Blood Elves, but you get my point.