Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[elbleuet]

it is permanent? no, they revert back, and i literally said to you both options, if they are or not and explained the scenarios, but yeah, expected.from someone like you to ignore

Some changes are permanent like the horns and the fel eyes for some. So yeah they mutated in some ways but are still considered as blood elves.

yeah, blood and high elves joined the void elves and became void elves, they mutated, that is the canon, not that they are elves using the magic like a shadow priest, that is a made up thing for RP.

Where's your source for that buddy ?

I'm still seeing "HIGH ELF WAYFARER" in that pic.

they literally are, officially, as "high elf" is the race of elves that evolved from the night elves. Renaming don't chang your race, like daeneis who are still eredar.

No. Elf is the race. High elf is the group.

Wether you are a blood elf or a night elf, you'll still be an elf. That's where you're utterly wrong in your reasonning.

Kaldorei ... queldorei...sindorei...rendorei... You get it ?

No, that is blizzard definition of what a high elf is, a race of elves that evolved from the night elves, that is canon in warcraft, the rest is made up shenanigans.

A ren'dorei also evolved from the Night elves you know. What's your point ?

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And as a side note, is there any doubt that this is the perfect race? No other race has these many potential RP backgrounds and stories. You can be a Ren'dorei who was part of Magister Umbric's group and was transformed by the Void. You can be a Ren'dorei who biologically is a High elf, coming from the Silver Covenant, the Kirin Tor, or maybe the Allerian Expedition, or a simple scholar who travelled to Telogrus Rift in search of knowledge, or maybe to be reunited with a loved one (maybe your uncle/dad/mom/etc. was exiled with Umbric and you haven't seen him in years). Or theoretically you can also be a Ren'dorei who biologically is a Blood elf (when green eyes become available), who heard of what happened with Magister Umbric and his people, and chose to travel to Telogrus Rift and join them for the sake of knowledge, defying the Theron government.

This is the perfect race from a RP standpoint too, there is no doubt now.

Agreed. The lore behind the void elf is incredible. The blood elves look bland compared to the void elves since we can play both in the Alliance.

My High elf will be a Theramore soldier who travelled to Dalaran and then Kul'Tiras with Jaina.

[Syegfryed]

Some changes are permanent like the horns and the fel eyes for some. So yeah they mutated in some ways but are still considered as blood elves.

Like i explained, word by word, is either not a permanent change, and thy could revert back or, they are indeed another race, but by gameplay mechanics are put in the same race because they are tied to the class, trying to say is the same case for the void elf is a false equivalence

Where's your source for that buddy ?

I'm still seeing "HIGH ELF WAYFARER" in that pic.

your character having white skin and blonde hair but still spells out void elf, and have void elf racials is the proof that you are a elf mutated by the void energies

No. Elf is the race. High elf is the group.

"and what is the source of that buddy?"

Wether you are a blood elf or a night elf, you'll still be an elf. That's where you're utterly wrong in your reasonning.

Lmao, you just made that up, that is straight up a headcanon, there is different races of elves, by this nonsense you are saying a void elf is a night elf too "because they are all elves" this is completely absurd..

A ren'dorei also evolved from the Night elves you know. What's your point ?

a rendorei evolved from the high elves, who evolved from night elves, that is something you are ignoring.

By the way, since Blood elves got blue eyes, Void elves should get green eyes. Especially since there were also SIN'DOREI scholars studying the Void in Telogrus Rift:

No, it would not, the moment they mutate their eye color would change to void-ish colors like blue and purple. Like it change when blood elves use arcane and light.

void elves are saturate of void magic, it would overcome the fel/light and other low energies.

And rly, let something for blood elves, you already have everything else and the void options, unless youw ant to give up void optiosn for then too.

[Tanaria]

Blood Elves need their own core features that aren't shared with the other races.
That is green and golden eyes.
That's Silvermoon.

Blood Elves are one of the greatest races in Azeroth - they shouldn't lose core features like their main eye colours and their capital city and nation, to other races - especially those on the Alliance.

[ravenmoon]

Might have to try and get yourself that new purple tempest set from the Legion Timewalking.

I suspect you've got a Night Elf Mage, so I imagine it would look grand on him/her

I have got a NElf Mage, but will advance my void elf Mage and either my Nightborne or Blood elf Mage instead.

usually it depends on what outfit looks best on the race and gender.

I and my friends tend to run with 4 toons since BFA

1 night elf, 1 void elf, 1 Nightborne and 1 blood elf. Shadowlands was perfect with 4 covenants to continue that trend. I typically have one of each elven race in many of the classes. Mage Ofc I have 4, damn annoying only NElves can be druids. Frustrated and annoys me no end. Like Blizz forget half the time nature love and forests is part of all elves. Half of the time you see it reflected and then other times it’s just swallowed up in light and arcane.

Thalassians loved Quel’thalas because of the forests and woods. It’s a huge part nature. They just didn’t pursue Druidism. Probably because hatred over expulsion (post TBC narrative) or lack of stewardship (cut off from Malfurion and none of the expelled would
have been druids. As we know highborne who became druids stayed in Kalimdor as some of them have returned to Mage.

I am waiting for them to expand the Mage fantasies of the void elves and advance the story of the Kaldorei highborne.

but I’m enjoying playing my Nightborne. New male customisation have made making a Nightborne male I like far more appealing. And I’m considering switching around some class genders.

intry to have 1 male and 1 female of Thalassians or night elves. And I split them between my void/blood elves and Night/borne elves.

Example: If I have a male Nightborne warlock, I’ve got male NElf caster covered. I would then find either a female nightbelf or Nightborne , a male void elf of blood elf caster and then a female void elf or blood elf caster.

so in each cluster group I have.

1 male night caster animation covered (whether Kaldorei or shal’dorei)

2. Male Thalassian caster animation covered (whether blood or void)

3 Female caster night covered

etc

Also do for
dual wield glances, 1H and 2H
dagger wield
1H and sword
2H
druid
warlock(b/c it had the most unique caster animations)

I make sure I have one male and one female for each of the above as Thalassians and Night elves. So I have flexibility between void and blood as well as night elf and Nightborne

[elbleuet]

Like i explained, word by word, is either not a permanent change, and thy could revert back or, they are indeed another race, but by gameplay mechanics are put in the same race because they are tied to the class, trying to say is the same case for the void elf is a false equivalence

So gameplay when that doesn't fit you and lore when that fits you ?

your character having white skin and blonde hair but still spells out void elf, and have void elf racials is the proof that you are a elf mutated by the void energies

When creating a Bronzebeard dwarf you can be a Wildhammer shaman despite having Bronzebeard racials. Your point ?

You perfectly know Blizzard is too lazy to create new racials/name options just for high elf. They even gave us blood elf reused colors instead of creating new ones specially for the void elves. So why bringing it up as an argurment ?

"and what is the source of that buddy?"

This one buddy.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Elf

You're just playing a group of elf. Nothing more.

Lmao, you just made that up, that is straight up a headcanon, there is different races of elves, by this nonsense you are saying a void elf is a night elf too "because they are all elves" this is completely absurd..

A void elf can't be a night elf since ... you know... they're not part of the same group.

a rendorei evolved from the high elves, who evolved from night elves, that is something you are ignoring.

A high elf mastering the void is still a high elf.

void elves are saturate of void magic, it would overcome the fel/light and other low energies.

So a light infused blood elf such as Liadrin with golden eyes is no longer a blood elf ?

[Syegfryed]

gameplay-wise they are still void elves.

Fantasy-wise, you can canonically be a high elf. Steve Danuser said that it doesan't break canon for the player to consider their character a high elf in-universe, which should be the end of this discussion.

You cannot be the same race that you once were, is like saying you can be a night elf by playing a nightborne or a bloodt elf, you can pretend and roleplay that way, but your race changed.

Same case for void elves, yes, they can be from the silver covenant, from outland, child of quel'halas, whatever, but their race changed.

He saying "she didn't change" is to say that even mutated by void and the dark naaru, "she is the same alleria from the second war", you can be the silver covenant elf, have the same mentality of supporting the alliance, but your race changed. They can change in the future? maybe, but atm its how things are.

People don't have the same narrow view of race as we have, especially with Thalassian elves it seems to be a very fluid thing, an expression of tradition and politics. A void elf character can say "I am a High Elf" and not be wrong.

The canon of warcraft state what race is and what not, a void elf "saying he is a high elf" is the same as a night elf saying he is a nightborne. Because they are different races.

The thing of "high elf are elves allied with the alliance" is a made up headcanon designation, "high elf" is not a state of spirit, an organization, or a political stance, or an appearence alone, they are a race of elves that evolved from night elves long ago.

This is one of the cased a word is trying to be taken and given another meaning, But that goes against with the canon lore

[Tanaria]

SNIP

Well if you want to RP a true "Highborne Arcanist", if you've got a female night elf mage, then I wouldn't say "no" to that new ToS Tempest set from Legion Timewalking.

I am quite jealous of those who've got Night Elf, Draenei, Nightborne and Void Elf casters, because these new sets do look really cool and would look cool on them. Especially, the new Mage set.

[Syegfryed]

So gameplay when that doesn't fit you and lore when that fits you ?

Again with false equivalence? that was already talked about.

When creating a Bronzebeard dwarf you can be a Wildhammer shaman despite having Bronzebeard racials. Your point ?

What is the proof that wildhammer dwarf is a different race of dwarf? they never said anything about that, they are different clans, same race of dwarves.

The dwarves that are a different race of dwarf are the dark iron and the frostborn

You perfectly know Blizzard is too lazy to create new racials/name options just for high elf.

OR, because you know very well, they are a different race, like the lore says.

They even gave us blood elf reused colors instead of creating new ones specially for the void elves. So why bringing it up as an argurment ?

why they would create new ones if you were asking fro high elf colors? thats what they did, they took from the existing high elves.

This one buddy.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Elf

You're just playing a group of elf. Nothing more.

that literally says there is 4 races of elves that you can play

A void elf can't be a night elf since ... you know... they're not part of the same group.

they are not the same race yes.

because you can join a group, you can't revert your race back.

A high elf mastering the void is still a high elf.

Sure, but a high elf mutated by the void, the ones you play, are not. that was the point of showing blood and high elves in there, that they mutated to be void elves too

So a light infused blood elf such as Liadrin with golden eyes is no longer a blood elf ?

That is another false equivalence, i said the energy would overcome the eye color.

Liadrin overcome the green eyes with light energy.

A race of elves mutated by the light is strangely an possibility, but Liadrin isn't that far yet, like the lighforged draenei are

[TriHard]

I dont even have to read the posts here, let me guess.
The "they might as well be blood elves" people are still mad about void elves getting their customizations

[elbleuet]

What is the proof that wildhammer dwarf is a different race of dwarf? they never said anything about that, they are different clans, same race of dwarves.

What ?

The Dark Iron dwarves are just another clan of dwarves. Just like the Wildhammer dwarves are.

The dwarves that are a different race of dwarf are the dark iron and the frostborn

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Clan#Dwarven_clans

No.

why they would create new ones if you were asking fro high elf colors? thats what they did, they took from the existing high elves.

Blood elves*

that literally says there is 4 races of elves that you can play

That doesn't change the fact you're playing a group of elves.

Sure, but a high elf mutated by the void, the ones you play, are not. that was the point of showing blood and high elves in there, that they mutated to be void elves too

Still not showing me your source when you say these High elves wayfares aren't actually ... High elves ?

That is another false equivalence, i said the energy would overcome the eye color.

So when you disagree you call it false equivalence ? Interesting.

Liadrin overcome the green eyes with light energy.

Still a light corruption if you ask me, otherwise she'd get her blue eyes back.

[Syegfryed]

You don't think you understood what he was saying. He's saying characters in Azeroth do not categorize people the way we do on earth. A human is a human and an orc is an orc, but a Thalassians identity is an expression of culture and political leaning, not customization options. You can be the same race you once were. Void Elves aren't some new ethnicity, they are followers of Alleria who use void magic. That's like saying I go to school for game design so now I'm ethnically a game designer. It doesn't make any sense.

the problem here is that you already put in your head the headcnaon that "being a void elf is simple a elf studying the void", when the whole point of the race and their lore is they being mutated by void energies.

Void elves are not some new ethnicity, right, they are new race/specie of elf, evolved/mutated from the high elves, just like nightborne are a new race of elves mutated from the night elves.

Void Elf doesn't mean mutated, as we have examples of void elf characters who are not mutated and have no tentacles.

they are still mutated, by exploding in chaos energies as their racial powers, something other elves cannot do, because they are not mutated. Regardless if they look the same, you can still look the same and be from a different race/species, is somethign that happens with animals like some species of birds.

Void Elves are Thalassian Elves ethnically, some of who have mutations. I'll elaborate and say, you can practice the void but not identify as a void elf, as we see with Sin'dorei Shadow Priests. You can also play a void elf who does not practice the Void, as Danuser said, its a perfectly valid roleplaying choice.

Again, your point start from the false premise that being a void elf is just "an elf practicing with the void, that can or not be mutated", that is wrong.

that would literally mean they should give void elf customizations and racials to blood elves, and other elves as well, because anyone can study and use the void, but that is not the case, because just studying or using void magic is not enough. Void elves can do because they are mutated by void energies, even when they look like a HE

However, if you do not think about roleplay or don't care about it, you don't have to acknowledge peoples backstory or think about it... Which you do, otherwise you wouldn't be here discussing it.

Like i said, people can rp the way they like, the problem is when they are stating headcanons as truth when goes against the canon lore.

Is like saying my green orc is son of Garrosh, and thinking its true. then went my saying in forums that Garrosh totally had a son and ivnenting theories about it.

As a round about way of saying it, Ren'dorei, Quel'dorei and Sin'dorei are political groups in the overarching elven ethnicity of Thalassian Elf. They aren't different species, or ethnically different. It's a statement of culture, tradition and belief. You could play a Blood Elf and say you are Ren'dorei because you believe in the teachings of the Void.

That is again, going around by a false premise, yes, those are different groups, but high elf and blood elves are the same race/species of elves, period, that is the canon, that is in the lore, they are biological the same race. Void elves are those elves, regardless of the group, mutated by the void, a new race of elves.

You could play a Void Elf and say you are a Sin'dorei because you believe in moving forward and leaving tradition behind, but perhaps you prefer the company of the Alliance, and stand with them out of protest for their alignment with the Horde. Both can say they are High Elves, because they value tradition, and holding strong rather than compromising their values for power.

Just like political leanings, these beliefs can flick like a light switch on and off. So yes, you can go back to being your previous 'race'.

Again, "high elf", isn't a state of spirit, or a political stance, is a race, the problem is to think they are not, isn't a switch you can flip and flop, just like a nightborne cannot flip flop to a night elf.

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What ?

The Dark Iron dwarves are just another clan of dwarves. Just like the Wildhammer dwarves are.

dark iron are dwarves affected and changed by ragnaros magic, yep, another mutation, thus, making then a new race of dwarves.

Blood elves*

You just said they were high elves some time ago

That doesn't change the fact you're playing a group of elves.

yes, just like lions, tigers and cats are felines, they are all felines, but a lion is not a tiger, different species

for you to understand better, in this comparison, elf = feline.

Still not showing me your source when you say these High elves wayfares aren't actually ... High elves ?

did you play those or did you play a void elf aka a void mutated by the void?

they being there just shows that they can be changed to be a void elf

So when you disagree you call it false equivalence ? Interesting.

i call a false equivalence when there is a equivalence that is not true

Still a light corruption if you ask me, otherwise she'd get her blue eyes back.

Light infusion, but not yet as a corruption/mutation/race change., she use more light energy, her eyes reflect that, its the way with elves for years now, like the blood elf sucking an purple magic from an item got purple eyes.

[elbleuet]

So a blue-eyed blood elf having gained golden eyes because of being corrupted by the light is no longer a blood elf. Thanks Syegfryed.

[Vaedan]

Those new sets seem to be made for the alliance races.

I haven't seen one that really jumps out of at me, where I can say "Oh that will look good on Blood Elves."
Maybe the Warlock one...but that's just a dark red version of the original ToS normal set.

On the other hand, we got sweet Nightborne weapons from TW rewards, that's really exciting for Nightborne, coupled with their new customizations. I actually consider tu dust of my Nightborne Magistrix

it is permanent? no, they revert back, and i literally said to you both options, if they are or not and explained the scenarios, but yeah, expected.from someone like you to ignore

Both DHs and some void elves have permanent changes to their appearance and skill sets:

Void elves:
- Pigmentation (hair color, hair skin)
- Tentacles
- ability to open void rifts

DHs:
- Horns
- Skin colors
- Fel scars (Fel is literaly coursing through their body)
- Wings
- Ability to see magic and magical beings

Both of them have also temporary transformation

Void elves:
- Temporary being engulfed with the Void, not changing their appearance radicaly, just putting them into darkened state
- This is occuring randomly, they can't control it
DHs:
- Complete metamorphosis of their physical status, transforming from elf to demon
- Their transformation occurs at will and is fully controlled, plus is briefly triggered by using some of their abilities.

Now, do you realize that your argument is pretty weak? In fact, DHs and Void elves are extremely similar cases and you can see that DHs show way more signs of corruption/mutation than void elves ever did.
- Ability to see magic

[Syegfryed]

Now, do you realize that your argument is pretty weak?

No isn't, i already covered that in other posts, DH are tied to a class, void elves aren't, tis totally a different that was already talk about if they were or not different races.

[elbleuet]

On the other hand, we got sweet Nightborne weapons from TW rewards, that's really exciting for Nightborne, coupled with their new customizations. I actually consider tu dust of my Nightborne Magistrix



Both DHs and some void elves have permanent changes to their appearance and skill sets:

Void elves:
- Pigmentation (hair color, hair skin)
- Tentacles
- ability to open void rifts

DHs:
- Horns
- Skin colors
- Fel scars (Fel is literaly coursing through their body)
- Wings
- Ability to see magic and magical beings

Both of them have also temporary transformation

Void elves:
- Temporary being engulfed with the Void, not changing their appearance radicaly, just putting them into darkened state
- This is occuring randomly, they can't control it
DHs:
- Complete metamorphosis of their physical status, transforming from elf to demon
- Their transformation occurs at will and is fully controlled, plus is briefly triggered by using some of their abilities.

Now, do you realize that your argument is pretty weak? In fact, DHs and Void elves are extremely similar cases and you can see that DHs show way more signs of corruption/mutation than void elves ever did.
- Ability to see magic

This. Ofc a blood elf demon hunter is 100 times more mutated than a void elf can be. But he refuses to face the truth for some reasons.

By going through his logic, we're playing a Bronzebeard shaman since Wildhammer dwarves do not have proper racials. Nonsense.

[Syegfryed]

This. Ofc a blood elf demon hunter is 100 times more mutated than a void elf can be.

yes, because you want that.

But he refuses to face the truth for some reasons.

i literally walked with you trough the whole process of the DH if they are or not a different race, yet you are still ignoring and using from false equivalence because goes against your pure elf idea.

By going through his logic, we're playing a Bronzebeard shaman since Wildhammer dwarves do not have proper racials. Nonsense.

nonsense is you thinking they are difference races of dwarves, despite the game lore never stating that, and trying to say is the same thing as void elves, Wildhammer do not need other racials because they are the same race of dwarf, unlike void elves, who are a different race of elves. Read: they always said void elves are a different race of elves, they never said those clans are different races, just like stormind or dalaran humans are not different rces.

In short, you keep using of false equivalences, like using the bronzebeard and wildhammer clan thing, to compare with high/blood elf and void elf, when they are equivalent of nightborne and night elf, not dwarves.

[Yarathir]

I really hope they also introduce the Void Elf and Dark Iron weapons.

[TidalConflux]

I think the argument of "Void elves do not have to be mutated" is kind of pointless when the unlock questline 'Telogrus Rift' has the main point being Durzaan transforming Umbric and his followers to become servants of the void -- making them pseudo-void beings. That is the catalyst which makes Umbric ask Alleria to teach them to harness to better control the void to overcome the whispers. The idea presented is that Alleria's tutoring only comes as a result from the transformation.

The issue is that there isnt any presentation shown that you can be a ren'dorei without being transformed by the void and the quests for unlocking them show that the transformation is a major catalyst for them following Alleria.

You would need something to show that ren'dorei can be ren'dorei without that transformation for that argument to happen. From the gameplay perspective (not the RPer one), the customization doesnt make any sense because there isnt that show and tell. It comes off just as the weak way to give "high elves" without giving "high elves". Its the confrontation of two identities that dont really mesh from the baseline perspective and gives off this narrative of Void elves are just a vessel to give people "high elves" while sacrificing anything unique about void elves they could draw upon.

Its great that high elves have gotten neat things -- but from the perspective of void elves, they've literally have gotten no customization which broadens their own theme and identity.

[Syegfryed]

I think you are cherrypicking/misinterpreting what I said, selectively avoiding the things that poke holes in your argument.

Im rly note, and my "argument" cannot have any holes, because is the canon lore, youc an't poke role witht hat with headcanon.

There is nothing physiologically different between a void elf whos customization has no mutations, and a blood/high elf.

Again, this is a point based on a false premise, there is things phisiolocal different, their racials are that, they are not just casting magic, as all other elves, and even all other races could do that.

Nightborne on the other hand are a different ethnicity of elf, as they have evolved to be physiologically different.

Nightborne mutated from night elves from the nightwhell, the same way void elves mtuated from high elves with void energy.

Void Elf means I follow the teachings/political leanings of Alleria. It does not imply mutation from the events in Telogrus Rift, as we learned from the other Thalassian Wayfarers who have not mutated, or the countless shadow priests who have not mutated.

countless of shadow priests cannot do that void elves do, the people studying magic are not void elves yet, as they do not mutated.

You seem stuck on gameplay, rather than lore here.

This has to be a joke.

Yes, canonically anyone who can learn void magic could use any of the void elf racials, gameplay=/=lore, as blizzard has said a thousand times before.

prove to me that anyone can do their racials like they do.

"creating a void portal" isn't strict a racial unelss you can do inante like void elves do.

But some of them aren't mutated by the void,

They are, they just don't show, like Alleria, tis the whole point of the race

It is a state of spirit and political stance.

It is not, it literally goes against the canon from the lore and even the recent chronicles.

Stop dumbing down something that is actually kind of unique and interesting.

Again, you think its me, when its the lore of warcraft, through the years, even in the recent chronicles, You think this headcanon is "unique and interesting" thats good for you, but again, is not the truth.

I will say it again, I will say there is a physiological difference between a mutated void elf and an unmutated one,

unless the lore and the devs say that, is simple a headcanon, the lore of warcraft is that all void elves are mutated, even the ones that look like high elves.

Hell that is the whole point of the customization, give void elf high elf customizations, they never said they will introduce the high elf race to be playable under the void elf alas, they never said no you play a high elf that just use the void, they never said you are a "not mutated high elf" that decided to inedtify yourself as void elf.

When they say that, whent hey change current lore, ii agree with you.

[Syegfryed]

You are cherrypicking, because you're disregarding Danuser's tweet.

His tweet does not proof your point neither refute mine, is not even related to the race discussion we are having here

Nightborne have evolved to be different, yes. They also have a very distinct culture. A nightborne is a different ethnicity of elf. They have a whole history behind making them a race. They look different, have a different set of beliefs, and a different outlook on the world, and you would have trouble mistaking a Nightborne for a Night Elf, or a Blood Elf.

Again, their culture is not the point here, but their race/specie, they evolved and mutated, period. you can still be a different race by looking the same, species of birds are example of that.

Damn, I guess no one else can do a haymaker like a Kul Tiran,

No one can yes, it is something only kul'tiran giant constitution can do.

a regular orc cant call to his ancestors like a mag'har,

He can't, the regular orc have the blood fury buffed from manoroth blood.

or a regular tauren couldn't do a bull rush like a high mountain tauren

yep, they can't, as their horns are different. funny thing is tauren horns break and don't grow back, highmoutnian don't ahve that problem.

They aren't, because there are people learning from Alleria in Telogrus Rift. Everyone present for the mutation changed to be blue or purple, there were zero exceptions to that rule ingame.

Again, your part from the false premise that "the void elves with white skin and blonde hair are just the elves in telogrus rift that did not had mutation" yet, nothing proves that point, in fact, it goes against it, with the lore saying they are mutated, and the devs saying they just give the customization, not the race. You are making up a headcanon explanation for the customziations

I must have missed that, can you find me the chronicle passage that discusses this?

That i can't do because im not with the pdf where im staying, but its when they talk about the blood elves, the wiki does have and also other sources like warcraft manual.

Im prob going to stop here, because at this point is a circular argument, and pointless hammer down the same thing forever, but like i said, the lore is that, until they change that im goign to stick with the canon.

They sure can change the lore about then, in the future