1. #25141
    They need to do one more warfront: Quel'thalas.

    It could be Void Elves vs Blood Elves. Blood Elves would end up keeping it, but it would allow new stories, new lore, and an updated zone (think of how much better new Arathi is). Also, imagine the gear sets! 3 tiers for each armor type and weapons for both Void Elves and Blood Elves. You can't tell me that wouldn't bring players back to the game. Personally, I loved warfronts, and I never understood all the hate for them. They just needed to be a bit harder, with a chance of failure, and have a pvp version. They should have been iterated on, not thrown in the trash.

  2. #25142
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I've said many things, some of them are the exact opposite of each other.

    Context my dear, such recollections are only relevant in the context they are made.

    I still s and by 100% what I said, just don't you go mis-understanding.. in your hurt over my suggestions, you simply failed to look beyond losing silvermoon to see what else could benefit you in the long run. . While closing the elf chapter on the horde would work very well, it could still be open if it came in line with the rest of the faction - on the basis ofc that returning to distinct faction themes was the directon. However my preferred suggestion never involved removal, even in the occassions it was listed as an option, which it is.

    It all depends on what blizz want to do, , I'm sorry you can't look beyond.. "oh no, blood elves can't lose Silvermoon, = the end of the world"
    And alliance/High Elves not having Silvermoon, Suramar, Lordaeron and Highmountain, isn't the end of the world, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    They need to do one more warfront: Quel'thalas.

    It could be Void Elves vs Blood Elves. Blood Elves would end up keeping it, but it would allow new stories, new lore, and an updated zone (think of how much better new Arathi is). Also, imagine the gear sets! 3 tiers for each armor type and weapons for both Void Elves and Blood Elves. You can't tell me that wouldn't bring players back to the game. Personally, I loved warfronts, and I never understood all the hate for them. They just needed to be a bit harder, with a chance of failure, and have a pvp version. They should have been iterated on, not thrown in the trash.
    A QT warfront was planned, but it was scrapped because the Warfront system was negatively viewed.

    I think, rather than the QT Warfront, they brought in the Sin'dorei Heritage Armor.

  3. #25143
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    A QT warfront was planned, but it was scrapped because the Warfront system was negatively viewed.

    I think, rather than the QT Warfront, they brought in the Sin'dorei Heritage Armor.
    It really makes me wonder if all the heritage armors we got were leftovers from scrapped warfronts. That might explain why some races never got theirs too.

  4. #25144
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I've said many things, some of them are the exact opposite of each other.

    Context my dear, such recollections are only relevant in the context they are made.

    I still s and by 100% what I said, just don't you go mis-understanding.. in your hurt over my suggestions, you simply failed to look beyond losing silvermoon to see what else could benefit you in the long run. . While closing the elf chapter on the horde would work very well, it could still be open if it came in line with the rest of the faction - on the basis ofc that returning to distinct faction themes was the directon. However my preferred suggestion never involved removal, even in the occassions it was listed as an option, which it is.

    It all depends on what blizz want to do, , I'm sorry you can't look beyond.. "oh no, blood elves can't lose Silvermoon, = the end of the world"
    Of course, I am not going to like the blood elves and the nightborne to lose their homes and not get anything in return. and in this post you still don't tell me what the great future would have been for the nightborne and blood elves according to your plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And alliance/High Elves not having Silvermoon, Suramar, Lordaeron and Highmountain, isn't the end of the world, either.

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    A QT warfront was planned, but it was scrapped because the Warfront system was negatively viewed.

    I think, rather than the QT Warfront, they brought in the Sin'dorei Heritage Armor.
    I think the warfronts were BFA's big disappointment. I think blizzard didn't know how to handle warfront and expeditions was too much for them. and they only decided to continue with expeditions because it was less work than warfront

  5. #25145
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    (btw, trolls could use beards too if we're on that topic)
    I've been advocating beards for trolls for years, but couldn't really get any traction, not even on the official forums. The most recent thread has a total of four posts and has now sunk off the front page. I guess only a handle of players like me want them
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  6. #25146
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    Some people would rather believe that if we support sharing customization options is because we are just greedy VE players that want more stuff while preventing others from getting it.

    Instead of, you know, overall being okay with customization sharing where it makes sense in the lore -and even that is very subjective-

    But I guess it's funnier to say "VElf fans don't want NB to be updated and vice versa"
    I just want everyone to get the options for the races they enjoy. It shouldn't be turned into a competition. I'd imagine most people play more than one race and want options for all the ones they enjoy playing.

  7. #25147
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    I just want everyone to get the options for the races they enjoy. It shouldn't be turned into a competition. I'd imagine most people play more than one race and want options for all the ones they enjoy playing.
    That's what saddens me. People should be striving to get the customization options they want, not blocking others from getting the ones they want. Some people legitimaly use the argument that exclusivity by itself is a want that has to be respected, but I can't agree with that. Would be hypocritical of me to say things should be exclusive for its own sake when I advocated for HE fantasy on VEs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    I've been advocating beards for trolls for years, but couldn't really get any traction, not even on the official forums. The most recent thread has a total of four posts and has now sunk off the front page. I guess only a handle of players like me want them
    Don't lose hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And alliance/High Elves not having Silvermoon, Suramar, Lordaeron and Highmountain, isn't the end of the world, either.
    There is just so many ways of saying "Silvermoon should not loose BE sovereignty over to the alliance" to someone that disagrees with it at its core.

    Specially if that person at their core don't believe that Blood Elf identity is part of the Horde. You really get nothing arguing with someone who believes all eleven identity is rightfully and intrinsically alliance, and as such, cities like Suramar and Silvermoon SHOULD be alliance.

    And it's like the philosophical opposite of this thread where the whole point is that elven identities exist beyond the faction divide and thus, can and DO exist in both.

  8. #25148
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    That's what saddens me. People should be striving to get the customization options they want, not blocking others from getting the ones they want. Some people legitimaly use the argument that exclusivity by itself is a want that has to be respected, but I can't agree with that. Would be hypocritical of me to say things should be exclusive for its own sake when I advocated for HE fantasy on VEs.
    I feel the same way about exclusivity. I'm glad we got our skin and hair colors though. I'd like to see the requests for blood elf hairstyles and paladins kind of fade into background noise because it just feeds into the whole "give them an inch, they take a mile" rhetoric that keeps getting spouted.

    Would I complain about void elf paladins? No. But I don't need void elves to have paladins to be happy with them. I know some people do want that though so I can't just say "don't ask for that!". Same for the hairstyles, though in all honesty, I'd be happy with more hairstyles from anywhere. I don't specifically need blood elf hairstyles.

  9. #25149
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    I feel the same way about exclusivity. I'm glad we got our skin and hair colors though. I'd like to see the requests for blood elf hairstyles and paladins kind of fade into background noise because it just feeds into the whole "give them an inch, they take a mile" rhetoric that keeps getting spouted.

    Would I complain about void elf paladins? No. But I don't need void elves to have paladins to be happy with them. I know some people do want that though so I can't just say "don't ask for that!". Same for the hairstyles, though in all honesty, I'd be happy with more hairstyles from anywhere. I don't specifically need blood elf hairstyles.
    In a way the "we need to have everything BE's have" feels like the other end of the spectrum of bad takes lmao. And I think both things come from the same core, the idea races are defined by their aesthetics to the point their identity revolves about looks. High Elves kinda HAVE to look like BE's because they are pretty much the same race, but many people, myself included, would have been happy with a new model a la Nightborne.

    We should all be able to ask for what we want, but at the end of the day it's about if the devs will agree. The High Elf issue was always a hot topic because it really just never made sense from a lore standpoint, and making VE's playable really just made it clear it was a design choice without a strong reasoning.

    Exclusivity shouldn't be the goal by itself when it comes to customization, but also the HE fantasy simply doesn't need to be a 1:1 replica of the BE choices to finally exist.

    The VE model DOES need more hairstyles, but they can be entirely new, or simply taken from any other race that is not BE. I don't see a point why not, but in the same manner I do think there's a better argument that either unique or hairstyles from another race could serve to expand on that cultural divide, and how it expresses as style.

    IMO if we want to actually use aesthetics and style as a cultural signifier, it would be nice if there was a hairstyle swap, but with races of the same faction.

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    Okay the roleplaying on the PTR was on new heights.

    SW barber shop full of high elves.

    A BE rogue named "Sindorei" killing all high elves xD

    Logged to my night elf warrior then he ran away
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  11. #25151
    Yea, it seems all I can do now is... stay silent... when I see people asking for more stuff from blood elves. If I post, even to say I'd like something different, I'd still be giving their request more visibility by bumping their threads. I hope other people realize that as well and just step back and find the strength to not reply if its a request they don't actually support. Visibility is what got us the skin and hair colors. Each of us need to remember that visibility can also be used to make changes to the game that we don't agree with, just as it made changes that we wanted and others did not.

    Not saying people shouldnt ask for what they want. Just saying, if its a change you don't want to happen, dont make the mistake the antis did and keep the topics visible through verbal sparring. Let them just die off due to inactivity.

  12. #25152
    Quote Originally Posted by Mungho View Post
    I've been advocating beards for trolls for years, but couldn't really get any traction, not even on the official forums. The most recent thread has a total of four posts and has now sunk off the front page. I guess only a handle of players like me want them
    we need forest trolls!

  13. #25153
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Okay the roleplaying on the PTR was on new heights.

    SW barber shop full of high elves.

    A BE rogue named "Sindorei" killing all high elves xD

    Logged to my night elf warrior then he ran away
    lmao I saw him yesterday, but we were with war mode off so we were talking to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Yea, it seems all I can do now is... stay silent... when I see people asking for more stuff from blood elves. If I post, even to say I'd like something different, I'd still be giving their request more visibility by bumping their threads. I hope other people realize that as well and just step back and find the strength to not reply if its a request they don't actually support. Visibility is what got us the skin and hair colors. Each of us need to remember that visibility can also be used to make changes to the game that we don't agree with, just as it made changes that we wanted and others did not.

    Not saying people shouldnt ask for what they want. Just saying, if its a change you don't want to happen, dont make the mistake the antis did and keep the topics visible through verbal sparring. Let them just die off due to inactivity.
    Exactly. We can't deny that what a lot of what gave HE threads visibility was the constant arguments lol. Non-controversial requests often just get lost because no one has to keep justifying them.

  14. #25154
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    The VE model DOES need more hairstyles, but they can be entirely new, or simply taken from any other race that is not BE. I don't see a point why not, but in the same manner I do think there's a better argument that either unique or hairstyles from another race could serve to expand on that cultural divide, and how it expresses as style.

    IMO if we want to actually use aesthetics and style as a cultural signifier, it would be nice if there was a hairstyle swap, but with races of the same faction.
    I want them to get human hairstyles, not blood elf ones. Human hairstyles + short ear options would basically complete the half-elf RP.

  15. #25155
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    Okay the roleplaying on the PTR was on new heights.

    SW barber shop full of high elves.

    A BE rogue named "Sindorei" killing all high elves xD

    Logged to my night elf warrior then he ran away
    lol, he's still upset about high elves days later. glad you kicked his ass.

  16. #25156
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    I want them to get human hairstyles, not blood elf ones. Human hairstyles + short ear options would basically complete the half-elf RP.
    That would be pretty neat; if anything it fits both HE and VE because humans really are the race they have more interaction with as we only see VE's in Azeroth hanging out in Stormwind (and as you say, the whole idea that HE's have assimilated into humanity already fits in with half elf rp)

    So yeah, if a hair swap happens again -and I hope it does- I'd like if VE's swapped hair styles with humans.

  17. #25157
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    That would be pretty neat; if anything it fits both HE and VE because humans really are the race they have more interaction with as we only see VE's in Azeroth hanging out in Stormwind (and as you say, the whole idea that HE's have assimilated into humanity already fits in with half elf rp)

    So yeah, if a hair swap happens again -and I hope it does- I'd like if VE's swapped hair styles with humans.
    Now I really hope it happens! If I had any art skills, I'd try swapping the hairstyles from humans to void elves to see what they would look like. I'd probably mess it up though lol.

  18. #25158
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    And alliance/High Elves not having Silvermoon, Suramar, Lordaeron and Highmountain, isn't the end of the world, either.
    No it isn't Tany, but I'm not the one raging in consternation at the status quo.. While i didn't like that they gave the horde Suramar for obvious reasons, notice how I also accept it is there. The issue is you and Rhlor just go bonkers at any suggestion that they lose these cities regardless of what is being said or the context with which it is giving, you just can't seem to process, which makes having conversation that are intelligent on such unexpected developments very difficult with you.

    It's like you can't even discuss such possibilities even though we both know they are extremely unlikely to happen. The point of having discussion boards is to discuss all kinds of scenarios, if you get very offended at suggestions you don't like and are unable to engage meaningfully in the context and subject that such suggestions are brought up, then you can't contribute constructively at all, which you proved back then. I had to repeat myself so many times, and you still weren't getting it.

    You do realise I don't hate blood elves, and I don't play high elves either right? Despite the fact that I do like high elves and feel it is right they are playable, blood elves are enough for me to fulfil that fantasy, and i am happy with void elves being purple (all mine are). You also realise I did write a benefits scenario of the Nightborne joining the horde too, so haven't been vehemently opposed to it at all, i was opposed to how they did it when they did it, but I am a fairly open person. You do realise I play Nightborne too and quite like them right?

    yet despite my like for night elves there are many thing s about them done in game I am not satisfied with and feel they could be and should be done better, same with all the elven groups, and I explore many scenarios and situations with whatever goal the topic at hand concerns. If it is faction balance, or re-aligning faction themes, I stand by what I said was the best options and I explored it thoroughly. Just because you heavily oppose or don't like even the idea (because it hasn't happened yet, it's just an idea) of Silvermoon and Suramar returning to the high elves and night elves as opposed tot he sub faction blood elves and Nightborne, doesn't mean it's horrible, bad or should not be considered ide or topic for discussion.

    you are free to dislike ofc, but, why get so emotional over something you know is very unlikely to happen? Why not feel free to explore the idea. I've explored the idea of the night elves going horde fully, without getting angry and emotional, enough to be able to outline it's merit. I've also explored them never joining those 2 main factions and being their own, which is my preferred position. But I'm not butt hurt they are in the alliance, the alliance fits them better like it does all elven races, given their current nature. It does, still even though that's the case, blood elves and nightborne are on the horde. They don't fit that well, that's the truth, but it's not relevant, because they are there anyway, they aren't going anywhere now.

    to get angry that I state the obvious they don't fit, is silly, then to balk at suggestions on how we can engineer them to fit more in line with e horde themes because you are angry is equally silly, if you approached it pragmatically, like you sometimes do, sure there are reasons that can be positive for them to remain in the more alliance mindset and traditions of the horde, and I would agree, however form the context of having distinct faction themes, that isn't a good thing (again from that context only),.Having distinct faction themes is not the be all and all and necessarily the only way to progress or "fix" wow.. just because I feel it is the best way to restore part of the distinctiveness and powerful dichotomy warcraft had which I believe was a huge part of it's charm, doesn't mean that not doing the best approach is doomed or a failure. Doesn't mean that new evolutions won't work just as well or even better in time.. they just won't be the old warcraft..


    See, nothing to get upset about. you aren't losing Silvermoon or Suramar, no need to go into a tiffle at the barest hint of the mention of it, every time.


    While I know all this means a lot to you, don't you think it's too much? you try so hard, police the forums so vigilantly for comments that might turn public opinion in favour of the alliance elves, isn't itt exhausting? Your mental health, your well being, your peace of mind, dependent on what some random forum person posts that you have to quickly oppose in case the developers see this and think this might be a good thing to do - and you just can't have that. Should this poor fantasy have such a grip on your life, your time, your thoughts and activity? Is it actually worth the energy and emotional marathon it's making you run? Do you ahve to be in control of something you know you can't control, and isn't within your power to directly change only for a chance at possibly influencing it?

    Wouldn't it just be easier to just enjoy the ride wherever it may go and trust that the devs will do something good for every race regardless, and while voicing your opinions and desires is okay, what I'm concerned about for you is the degree you've emotionally and psychologically invested in something that is totally out of your hands and isn't even real. It's just entertainment. Be free Tanaria. that's my wish for you. Enjoy warcraft, but don't let it become a chain on your life. Such a "make belief" thing should have such power over you, a human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Of course, I am not going to like the blood elves and the nightborne to lose their homes and not get anything in return. and in this post you still don't tell me what the great future would have been for the nightborne and blood elves according to your plan.
    You only needed to read the rest of the conversations in that section, and several others you resonded to, where I repeated this a few times, and went into some detail. My essay days are done on warcraft.. It's all there.

    For the purpose of the context and sub section of the topic it involved, the proposal fit, but there was more to it i expanded on sa the discussion developed. the reason i didn't initially go into it, was because the focus was not developing or redevleoping the blood elves, but of restoring and boosting the alliance so it woudl draw players back. Ofc I won't go into depth of what should become of the blood elves, cos they aren't my focus, but I did in the end, quite a few times for you and other blood elf fans' sakes. Refer to the conversation.
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  19. #25159
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    SNIP
    You do you, with endless Night Elf threads and I'll do me.

    If I was this engaged to Night Elf lore, you'd be championing me right now - because it's for the Horde Sin'dorei, and I'm simply expressing my wishes for my favorite race. For starters, they need their starter zone updating, with Silvermoon completely done (including the Ruins of Silvermoon.) Many people are passionate about their preferred races.

    And you don't accept that Silvermoon and Suramar are Horde. Everytime, you want the cities either shared or given to the Alliance. The latter isn't even a proper functioning Horde City anyway. Hell, you've even spoke about Lordaeron and Highmountain going to the Alliance - so that's 4 Horde races that have been displaced for no reason and to expect that happens in a none-red vs blue expansion, is just laughable. Blizzard have already said that BFA would be a last red vs blue expansion, for a number of years. Good, because the last one was a disaster.

    And both you and Rhlor are wrong about Suramar. It's not part of the Horde content - we literally only have the Nighthold and that's it. We don't get the "Grand City of Suramar." We literally just get a small circle, no bigger than Stormwind Park + a bit of the Mage District.

    And if Night Elves get a new city in Hyjal, then Blood Elves should get an updated Suramar. Hell, the idea of a Quel'Thalas Warfront is enough that they can bring Quel'Thalas and Azuremyst Isle out of the Outland Maps and connect them back to the Azeroth Maps.

    I predict a Void Elf/High Elf City to be made, but either in Duskwood (or the Stormwind-Human Province), or in Telogrus.
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  20. #25160
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    No it isn't Tany, but I'm not the one raging in consternation at the status quo.. While i didn't like that they gave the horde Suramar for obvious reasons, notice how I also accept it is there. The issue is you and Rhlor just go bonkers at any suggestion that they lose these cities regardless of what is being said or the context with which it is giving, you just can't seem to process, which makes having conversation that are intelligent on such unexpected developments very difficult with you.

    It's like you can't even discuss such possibilities even though we both know they are extremely unlikely to happen. The point of having discussion boards is to discuss all kinds of scenarios, if you get very offended at suggestions you don't like and are unable to engage meaningfully in the context and subject that such suggestions are brought up, then you can't contribute constructively at all, which you proved back then. I had to repeat myself so many times, and you still weren't getting it.

    You do realise I don't hate blood elves, and I don't play high elves either right? Despite the fact that I do like high elves and feel it is right they are playable, blood elves are enough for me to fulfil that fantasy, and i am happy with void elves being purple (all mine are). You also realise I did write a benefits scenario of the Nightborne joining the horde too, so haven't been vehemently opposed to it at all, i was opposed to how they did it when they did it, but I am a fairly open person. You do realise I play Nightborne too and quite like them right?

    yet despite my like for night elves there are many thing s about them done in game I am not satisfied with and feel they could be and should be done better, same with all the elven groups, and I explore many scenarios and situations with whatever goal the topic at hand concerns. If it is faction balance, or re-aligning faction themes, I stand by what I said was the best options and I explored it thoroughly. Just because you heavily oppose or don't like even the idea (because it hasn't happened yet, it's just an idea) of Silvermoon and Suramar returning to the high elves and night elves as opposed tot he sub faction blood elves and Nightborne, doesn't mean it's horrible, bad or should not be considered ide or topic for discussion.

    you are free to dislike ofc, but, why get so emotional over something you know is very unlikely to happen? Why not feel free to explore the idea. I've explored the idea of the night elves going horde fully, without getting angry and emotional, enough to be able to outline it's merit. I've also explored them never joining those 2 main factions and being their own, which is my preferred position. But I'm not butt hurt they are in the alliance, the alliance fits them better like it does all elven races, given their current nature. It does, still even though that's the case, blood elves and nightborne are on the horde. They don't fit that well, that's the truth, but it's not relevant, because they are there anyway, they aren't going anywhere now.

    to get angry that I state the obvious they don't fit, is silly, then to balk at suggestions on how we can engineer them to fit more in line with e horde themes because you are angry is equally silly, if you approached it pragmatically, like you sometimes do, sure there are reasons that can be positive for them to remain in the more alliance mindset and traditions of the horde, and I would agree, however form the context of having distinct faction themes, that isn't a good thing (again from that context only),.Having distinct faction themes is not the be all and all and necessarily the only way to progress or "fix" wow.. just because I feel it is the best way to restore part of the distinctiveness and powerful dichotomy warcraft had which I believe was a huge part of it's charm, doesn't mean that not doing the best approach is doomed or a failure. Doesn't mean that new evolutions won't work just as well or even better in time.. they just won't be the old warcraft..


    See, nothing to get upset about. you aren't losing Silvermoon or Suramar, no need to go into a tiffle at the barest hint of the mention of it, every time.


    While I know all this means a lot to you, don't you think it's too much? you try so hard, police the forums so vigilantly for comments that might turn public opinion in favour of the alliance elves, isn't itt exhausting? Your mental health, your well being, your peace of mind, dependent on what some random forum person posts that you have to quickly oppose in case the developers see this and think this might be a good thing to do - and you just can't have that. Should this poor fantasy have such a grip on your life, your time, your thoughts and activity? Is it actually worth the energy and emotional marathon it's making you run? Do you ahve to be in control of something you know you can't control, and isn't within your power to directly change only for a chance at possibly influencing it?

    Wouldn't it just be easier to just enjoy the ride wherever it may go and trust that the devs will do something good for every race regardless, and while voicing your opinions and desires is okay, what I'm concerned about for you is the degree you've emotionally and psychologically invested in something that is totally out of your hands and isn't even real. It's just entertainment. Be free Tanaria. that's my wish for you. Enjoy warcraft, but don't let it become a chain on your life. Such a "make belief" thing should have such power over you, a human being.

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    You only needed to read the rest of the conversations in that section, and several others you resonded to, where I repeated this a few times, and went into some detail. My essay days are done on warcraft.. It's all there.

    For the purpose of the context and sub section of the topic it involved, the proposal fit, but there was more to it i expanded on sa the discussion developed. the reason i didn't initially go into it, was because the focus was not developing or redevleoping the blood elves, but of restoring and boosting the alliance so it woudl draw players back. Ofc I won't go into depth of what should become of the blood elves, cos they aren't my focus, but I did in the end, quite a few times for you and other blood elf fans' sakes. Refer to the conversation.
    I guess you talked about Nathria as Tanaria said. I do not remember it but well let's leave this topic that so conflicting. if you raise this issue again, do not forget to include the future of the affected races in the same post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanaria View Post
    You do you, with endless Night Elf threads and I'll do me.

    If I was this engaged to Night Elf lore, you'd be championing me right now - because it's for the Horde Sin'dorei, and I'm simply expressing my wishes for my favorite race. For starters, they need their starter zone updating, with Silvermoon completely done (including the Ruins of Silvermoon.) Many people are passionate about their preferred races.

    And you don't accept that Silvermoon and Suramar are Horde. Everytime, you want the cities either shared or given to the Alliance. The latter isn't even a proper functioning Horde City anyway. Hell, you've even spoke about Lordaeron and Highmountain going to the Alliance - so that's 4 Horde races that have been displaced for no reason and to expect that happens in a none-red vs blue expansion, is just laughable. Blizzard have already said that BFA would be a last red vs blue expansion, for a number of years. Good, because the last one was a disaster.

    And both you and Rhlor are wrong about Suramar. It's not part of the Horde content - we literally only have the Nighthold and that's it. We don't get the "Grand City of Suramar." We literally just get a small circle, no bigger than Stormwind Park + a bit of the Mage District.

    And if Night Elves get a new city in Hyjal, then Blood Elves should get an updated Suramar. Hell, the idea of a Quel'Thalas Warfront is enough that they can bring Quel'Thalas and Azuremyst Isle out of the Outland Maps and connect them back to the Azeroth Maps.

    I predict a Void Elf/High Elf City to be made, but either in Duskwood (or the Stormwind-Human Province), or in Telogrus.
    GamePlay = / = Lore

    In the Lore clearly the Nightborne have surgery and in the Gamplay only Nighthold. I want to include that dragon that can change a legion Suramar to friendly npcs Suramar with horde.

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